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Re: O.T.T

From Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
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Subject Re: O.T.T
Date 2026-04-17 07:05 -0400
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On Wed, 4/15/2026 7:02 PM, Rob in CA wrote:

> 
> I keep getting a message that says:
> 
> Microsoft is no longer supporting Windows 10. Back
> up your info to get Firefox ready for Windows 11 then
> there’s a blue button with ‘turn on backup’.
> 
> I just ignore it but it keeps coming back. Should I
> turn on backups for Win 11? We already have the
> mrimgs.
> 
> Robert

Those would not be backups. They back up your "Settings",
and it isn't about storing all your data files like
your bookmarks file.

If you click that button, eventually you will be
asked for an MSA as well. Which you might not have
at the moment.

This could presumably be associated with the ESU campaign.
You can get "security updates" for one year, for Windows 10,
until the end of 2026. The service can be acquired for
a cash payment of $30. But there was also a scheme, where
you sign in with an MSA and enable "Settings Backup" and
that would qualify you for the Security Updates (not
Feature Updates). That's just to give you some idea
what this begging campaign is all about.

*******

Your Optiplex 780 definitely cannot run Windows 11.
The Core2 Duo processor in it, does not have the POPCNT instruction.
Moving a W11 hard drive, into the 780, would cause a BSOD immediately.

Your machines with the 4770 and 4770K processors, those
are fourth generation (similar to my Test Machine, which
DOES have a copy of W11 on it, it's slow), and for MBEC support in hardware
(better execution performance), that's up around 12th generation CPU.
This means you CAN force W11 on the machine, but Microsoft won't
do that for you, and there is a recipe to do it. The Rufus USB stick
preparation tool is part of that recipe. So while the 4770 does
not have the text line as shown here, it can still slowly run W11, and
there is a pregnant pause after you click something, before the
machine responds. I expect this would be annoying :-)

# Fourth line from the bottom -- example of a CPU with MBEC.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/134586/intel-core-i512400-processor-18m-cache-up-to-4-40-ghz/specifications.html

The inclusion of MBEC, brings the performance of the CPU back
to the expected/predicted level, instead of being a bit sluggish.

*******

Given the state of the world, this is a kind of choice for
a new computer. It uses an N150 CPU, which isn't particularly fast.
Your 4770K is about as fast as this, while running W11.
Since this was written, the price would have gone up quite
a bit, because of the RAM and SSD onboard. It has very little
conventional material inside. Some computers now, don't even
have room for hard drive bays. You could plug a keyboard and mouse to it.
Output is likely HDMI.

   https://hagensieker.com/2025/03/14/gmktek-intel-n150-mini-pc-setup-and-review/

Dell has a few items with N150 inside, but one is a Chromebook
so not something you might have used before. That would be ChromeOS
instead of Windows.

Any of the items headed for over a thousand, aren't
really good value for money as such. Same goes for
CPUs that don't have an integrated video card ("iGPU"),
and you have to buy a $400 video card to modernize things.
There are all sorts of traps like that. The computer
I'm typing on, has a built in GPU, but the OS used to crash,
and one of the fixes was fitting a plugin video card. Some of this
seems to be an OS issue (doesn't happen on Linux), but exactly what,
the evidence does not tell me (no log entry).

   Paul

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O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-17 14:47 -0800
  Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-01-19 04:18 -0500
    Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-20 08:44 -0800
      Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-01-21 02:39 -0500
        Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-21 05:30 -0800
    Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-20 10:38 -0800
      Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-01-21 02:35 -0500
        Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-21 05:39 -0800
        Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-21 05:52 -0800
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            Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-22 03:49 -0800
        Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-21 10:27 -0800
          Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-01-22 01:00 -0500
            Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-22 03:52 -0800
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                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-23 09:08 -0800
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                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-01-24 21:06 -0500
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                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-01-26 13:18 -0500
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-26 10:33 -0800
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                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-10 21:54 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-11 02:43 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-11 14:05 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-13 16:24 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-14 08:16 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-14 11:39 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-17 05:22 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-17 14:17 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-17 17:50 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-18 04:08 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-18 10:37 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-18 00:53 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-19 08:24 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-19 13:33 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-20 11:27 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-20 14:55 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-20 16:02 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-19 13:38 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-20 10:39 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-20 15:06 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-20 15:11 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-22 03:45 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-14 17:48 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-17 05:59 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-17 14:27 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-18 05:05 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-18 10:47 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-15 16:02 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-17 07:05 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-17 14:51 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-18 05:19 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-18 11:11 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-20 01:51 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-20 10:28 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-20 15:19 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-20 15:31 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-21 00:23 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-21 16:40 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-22 03:42 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-22 17:28 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-23 00:29 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-24 15:11 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-24 23:15 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-27 01:51 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-28 20:42 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-28 21:14 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-27 02:42 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-28 20:53 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-27 17:32 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-28 21:08 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-28 21:35 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-01 12:33 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-01 12:35 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-01 21:08 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-01 23:51 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-02 00:18 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-02 02:53 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-04 03:22 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-04 21:46 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-04 22:05 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-06 00:25 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-06 16:36 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-07 08:32 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-07 16:30 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-08 09:13 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-08 23:59 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-09 18:21 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-10 00:29 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-12 09:48 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-13 00:56 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-10 16:27 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-10 20:34 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-12 10:18 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-13 01:40 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-13 05:32 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-14 11:35 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-18 21:26 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-20 20:41 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-20 22:58 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-21 02:37 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-29 03:55 -0700
                Re: O.T.T John Dulak <Johnd@Booogus.com> - 2026-05-29 09:46 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-29 23:23 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-01 05:02 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-01 22:09 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-29 23:26 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-31 22:30 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-01 05:23 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-01 22:25 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-02 04:02 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-02 05:27 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-02 06:51 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-04 06:25 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-06 01:28 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-06 02:40 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-07 06:17 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-07 10:07 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-08 00:28 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-08 04:10 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-08 01:45 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-09 01:59 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-08 03:26 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-09 02:05 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-08 11:03 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-08 16:32 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-09 02:07 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-09 07:51 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-09 08:11 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-09 23:42 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-10 01:39 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-10 09:47 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-10 10:40 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-10 16:03 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-10 15:51 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-10 22:41 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-11 07:51 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-12 13:33 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-13 02:15 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-13 04:26 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-13 05:25 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-16 22:03 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-16 23:27 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-18 19:34 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-16 23:59 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-17 00:09 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-17 09:17 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-18 19:54 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-18 17:41 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-23 02:07 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-23 10:59 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-23 11:16 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:05 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-25 23:15 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-02 16:07 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-03 06:59 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-03 08:36 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-03 09:12 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:26 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-03 09:14 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-18 23:50 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-23 02:08 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-23 11:07 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:10 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-25 22:54 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-24 18:38 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:16 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-25 23:02 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-26 22:04 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-27 07:08 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-27 22:54 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-28 20:53 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-28 19:44 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-28 10:44 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-28 14:36 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-28 20:40 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-28 19:48 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-29 21:13 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-30 12:32 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-01 09:10 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-30 12:44 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-01 09:11 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-01 00:54 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-01 09:30 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-01 12:03 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-01 22:19 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-02 07:17 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-02 10:01 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-03 21:44 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-03 21:47 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:29 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-05 03:04 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-05 04:44 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-07 05:34 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-07 20:54 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-08 08:57 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-05 14:18 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-07 05:38 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-07 21:31 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-08 10:16 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-08 11:28 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-09 06:47 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-05 22:01 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-07 05:42 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-05 23:40 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-07 00:51 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-07 05:31 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-07 21:01 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-08 10:19 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-08 11:32 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-01 13:08 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-01 22:25 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-02 07:12 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-15 00:44 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-04 06:42 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-04 14:01 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-05 22:54 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-06 02:45 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-02 02:54 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-02 10:44 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-04 03:27 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-04 21:55 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-06 17:43 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-02 11:15 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-01 04:47 -0800
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-01 05:22 -0800

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