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Philosophical Twist due to negligence (Re: Rene Descartes "Discours de la méthode" has fizzled out)

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Hi,

Descartes’ “divide problems into parts” works
only for well-behaved, linear, decomposable systems.
But its just that parts might end up as Schrödingers

equation. It could be that stable diffusion is the
new constraint solver. In a sense, stable diffusion
models (or other generative AI) are functioning as

probabilistic, fuzzy constraint solvers — but in a
very different paradigm from classical logic or
formal methods. But what was neglected?

- Cybernetics (1940s–50s)
Focused on feedback loops, control, and self-regulation
in machines and biological systems. Showed that
decomposition can fail because subparts are interdependent.

- Chaos Theory (1960s–80s)
Nonlinear deterministic systems can produce unpredictable,
sensitive dependence on initial conditions. Decomposition
into parts is tricky: small errors explode, and “solving
subparts” may not help predict the whole.

- Santa Fe Institute & Complex Systems (1980s–present)
Studied emergent behavior, networks, adaptation,
self-organization. Linear, reductionist thinking fails
to capture dynamics of economic, social, and ecological systems.

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> How it started:
> 
> https://conceptbase.sourceforge.net/
> 
> How its going:
> 
> https://www.ibm.com/products/datastax
> 
> The problem with claims such as " Formal languages,
> such as KAOS, are based on predicate logic and
> capture additional details about an application
> in a precise manner. They also provide a foundation
> for reasoning with information models." is that
> every thing in the quoted sentence is wrong.
> 
> Real AI systems scale by approximation,
> vectorization, distributed representations,
> and partial knowledge — not by globally
> consistent logical models. No classical requirements
> language or ontology captures the informal
> cognitive machinery that makes
> intelligence flexible. Intelligence needs the
> whole messy cognitive spectrum.
> 
> Somehow DataStax looks like n8n married AI embedding.
> I hope Amazon, Meta, Google, etc.. get the message.
> I don't worry about Microsoft, they might come with
> 
> something from their Encarta corner and Copilot+ is
> more Local AI. After all we need things like Wikidata
> in a Robot and not in a Data Center.
> 
> LoL
> 
> Bye

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