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Latent Thinking the forbidden Fruit (Was: Would Poincaré miss the AI Boom?)

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Hi,

Taking this one:

Sam, Jakub, and Wojciech on the future of OpenAI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngDCxlZcecw

There are some funny parts where Jakub stutters:

OpenAI is Deploying the Forbidden Method: GPT-6 is Different!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR2M6JDyrRw

What is even "Latent Thinking". While some thinking
models go through varbalization loops and realize a
form of "Loud Thinking", i.e. think out loud.

Autoencoders anyway build a latent space during the
training phase, so one can do chain of thoughs
in the latent space, providing a form of "Slient Thinking".

The Energy Part: 20 Billion USD for 1 GW per 5 Years.
I wonder how, when, and why the Bubble will burst.
Or is the bubble here to stay?

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
 >
 > Inductive logic programming at 30
 > https://arxiv.org/abs/2102.10556
 >
 > The paper contains not a single reference to autoencoders!
 > Still they show this example:
 >
 > Fig. 1 ILP systems struggle with structured examples that
 > exhibit observational noise. All three examples clearly
 > spell the word "ILP", with some alterations: 3 noisy pixels,
 > shifted and elongated letters. If we would be to learn a
 > program that simply draws "ILP" in the middle of the picture,
 > without noisy pixels and elongated letters, that would
 > be a correct program.
 >
 > I guess ILP is 30 years behind the AI boom. An early autoencoder
 > turned into transformer was already reported here (*):
 >
 > SERIAL ORDER, Michael I. Jordan - May 1986
 > https://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~gary/PAPER-SUGGESTIONS/Jordan-TR-8604-OCRed.pdf
 >
 > Well ILP might have its merits, maybe we should not ask
 > for a marriage of LLM and Prolog, but Autoencoders and ILP.
 > But its tricky, I am still trying to decode the da Vinci code of
 >
 > things like stacked tensors, are they related to k-literal clauses?
 > The paper I referenced is found in this excellent video:
 >
 > The Making of ChatGPT (35 Year History)
 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFS90-FX6pg
 >

Mild Shock schrieb:
> 
> Henri Poincaré believed that mathematical
> and scientific creativity came from a deep,
> unconscious intuition that could not be
> 
> captured by mechanical reasoning or formal
> systems. He famously wrote about how insights
> came not from plodding logic but from sudden
> 
> illuminations — leaps of creative synthesis.
> 
> But now we have generative AI — models like GPT — that:
> 
> - produce poetry, proofs, stories, and code,
> 
> - combine ideas in novel ways,
> 
> - and do so by processing patterns in massive
>     datasets, without conscious understanding.
> 
> And that does seem to contradict Poincaré's belief
> that true invention cannot come from automation.

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Would Poincaré miss the AI Boom? Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-07-15 20:57 +0200
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    I am not from Israel or Jewish (Was: Would Poincaré miss the AI Boom?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-07-16 11:46 +0200
      Re: I am not from Israel or Jewish (Was: Would Poincaré miss the AI Boom?) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-07-17 22:44 -0500
        I am neither Hanson (Was: I am not from Israel or Jewish) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-07-19 22:09 +0200
          Re: I am neither Hanson bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-07-21 00:32 +0000
            Was Hanson your Bed Warmer? (Was: I am neither Hanson) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-07-21 10:17 +0200
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  Re: Would Poincaré miss the AI Boom? bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-07-17 01:36 +0000
    Re: Would Poincaré miss the AI Boom? Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-07-16 19:55 -0700
      Re: Would Poincaré miss the AI Boom? bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-07-19 00:37 +0000
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        Re: Would Poincaré miss the AI Boom? bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-07-19 03:47 +0000
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            Re: Would Poincaré miss the AI Boom? bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-07-21 00:27 +0000
              Re: Would Poincaré miss the AI Boom? Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-07-20 18:25 -0700
                Re: Would Poincaré miss the AI Boom? bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-07-21 06:53 +0000
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