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Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs

From olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.theory
Subject Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs
Date 2025-10-31 07:44 -0500
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On 10/31/2025 6:28 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 2025-10-30 14:49:08 +0000, olcott said:
> 
>> D simulated by H measures the semantic property
>> of the actual input as opposed to and contrast
>> with the semantic property of a non-input. H and
>> H1 are identical except that D does not call H1.
> 
> Being identical means that H and H1 compute the same semantic
> property.
> 

int D()
{
   int Halt_Status = H(D);
   if (Halt_Status)
     HERE: goto HERE;
   return Halt_Status;
}

H simulates D
that calls H(D) to simulate D
that calls H(D) to simulate D
that calls H(D) to simulate D
that calls H(D) to simulate D
that calls H(D) to simulate D
until H sees this repeating pattern
Then H returns 0;

H1 simulates D
that calls H(D) to simulate D
then H(D) returns 0 to caller D
then H1 returns 1;

It turns out that my big discovery the overturns
part of the foundation of computer science is that
the semantic property can be relative to the decider.

It actually always relative to the decider yet this
has never made any difference with non-self-referential
inputs. H(D) != UTM(D) == H1(D)

The halting problem has always been an issue where
the halt decider has never been smart enough to
figure out halting for self-contradictory inputs.
That never has been the real issue.

int D()
{
   int Halt_Status = H(D);
   if (Halt_Status)
     HERE: goto HERE;
   return Halt_Status;
}

With a simulating halt decider D simulated by
H never reaches the contradictory part. It
stays stuck on its first line.

H and D do get stuck in recursive simulation. H
can and does see this. H does abort its own simulation
of D to prevent its own non-termination.

The real issue (that could not be seen until I created
the notion of a simulating halt decider in 2016) is
that the halting problem requires H to report on
behavior other than the behavior that its actual input
actually specifies.

int sum(int x, int y){ return x + y; }
this is the same as requiring sum(3,4) to report on
the sum of 5 + 6.


>> We can tell an input from a non-input because an
>> input is an argument to the function H.
>>
>> D.input_to_H
>> specifies different behavior than
>> D.input_to_H1.
>>
>> int D()
>> {
>>    int Halt_Status = H(D);
>>    if (Halt_Status)
>>      HERE: goto HERE;
>>    return Halt_Status;
>> }
>>
>> H simulates D
>> that calls H(D) to simulate D
>> that calls H(D) to simulate D
>> that calls H(D) to simulate D
>> that calls H(D) to simulate D
>> that calls H(D) to simulate D
>> until H sees this repeating pattern
>> Then H returns 0;
>>
>> H1 simulates D
>> that calls H(D) to simulate D
>> then H(D) returns 0 to caller D
>> then H1 returns 1;
> 
> As H and H1 return different values for the same input they are
> found to be non-identical, contrary to the initial claim.
> 


-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 09:49 -0500
  Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-30 20:11 +0000
    Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 15:25 -0500
      Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-30 20:42 +0000
        Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 16:05 -0500
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-30 21:15 +0000
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 16:49 -0500
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 20:13 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 21:14 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 19:15 -0700
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:33 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 21:45 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:49 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 21:54 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:56 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 21:59 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 23:00 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:03 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 23:04 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:15 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 23:19 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:25 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 23:28 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:49 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 00:00 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 23:06 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 07:22 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 06:55 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 08:08 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 07:30 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 08:33 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 09:02 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 10:15 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 09:24 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 10:28 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 12:36 -0700
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 12:35 -0700
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-31 04:55 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 06:57 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-31 17:17 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-31 17:20 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Mike never did get this "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 12:32 -0700
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-31 00:22 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 21:07 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:10 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 21:17 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 19:18 -0700
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:35 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 21:48 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:50 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 21:56 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:58 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:01 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 23:03 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:05 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 23:06 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:16 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 23:20 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:27 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 23:30 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:59 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-31 03:35 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-31 03:29 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:47 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-31 04:39 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 07:27 -0500
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 17:32 -0500
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 17:01 -0700
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-10-31 00:57 +0000
      Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-30 16:44 -0400
  Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-10-31 13:28 +0200
    Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 07:44 -0500
      Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-01 10:42 +0200
        Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 08:25 -0500
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 09:51 -0400
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-01 20:12 +0000
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 15:18 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-01 20:53 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 16:08 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-11-01 21:12 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 13:59 -0700
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-02 14:17 +0200
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-02 07:29 -0600
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-02 22:26 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-03 20:43 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 14:47 -0600
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-03 22:40 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 16:56 -0600
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-04 00:24 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure ??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 18:43 -0600
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure ??? Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-04 02:22 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure ??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 21:02 -0600
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure ??? Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-04 04:28 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure ??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-04 13:52 -0600
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure ??? Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-04 20:20 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure ??? Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-11-04 21:04 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure ??? wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 20:04 +0800
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure !!! olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 09:50 -0600
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure !!! Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-05 17:51 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure !!! "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 12:18 -0800
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure !!! olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 19:29 -0600
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure !!! dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 20:43 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure !!! Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-07 16:03 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure !!! Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-07 15:59 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure !!! olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 10:13 -0600
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure !!! Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-07 16:41 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure !!! olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 10:44 -0600
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure !!! olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 10:27 -0600
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure ??? joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-11-05 14:52 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure ??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 09:54 -0600
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure ??? joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-11-05 16:52 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure on one point olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 11:10 -0600
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure on one point "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-05 12:11 -0800
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure ??? Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-04 20:10 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure ??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-04 14:35 -0600
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure ??? joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-11-04 20:51 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure ??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-04 14:55 -0600
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure ??? Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-04 21:43 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Closure ??? Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-04 21:35 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Kaz made a great test olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-04 15:52 -0600
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Kaz made a great test Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-04 22:12 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Kaz code Deviation olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-04 16:13 -0600
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Kaz code Deviation Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-04 22:33 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Kaz code Deviation "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-04 14:41 -0800
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Kaz code Deviation olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-04 17:18 -0600
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Kaz code Deviation Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-05 02:08 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Kaz code Deviation olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-04 20:24 -0600
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Kaz makes a very smart example olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-04 18:16 -0600
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-03 12:05 +0200
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-03 17:16 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-11-03 20:19 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-03 21:35 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-03 21:36 +0000
                Olcott's revised position statement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 15:48 -0600
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-03 21:57 +0000
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-11-02 14:10 -0500
  Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-10-31 12:35 +0000
    Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-31 18:00 +0000
      Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-10-31 19:46 +0000
        Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-31 23:10 +0000
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-01 02:47 +0000
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-11-01 00:14 -0400
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-01 18:09 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 12:53 -0700
                A decider for the proposition "Tristan is Olcott" (Was: Semantic properties of finite string inputs) Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-01 20:15 +0000
                Re: A decider for the proposition "Tristan is Olcott" (Was: Semantic properties of finite string inputs) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 14:06 -0700
        Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-10-31 22:13 -0400
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-01 02:53 +0000
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- More precisely olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 21:58 -0500
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- More precisely Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 04:23 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- More precisely olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 23:37 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- More precisely Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 07:47 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- More precisely olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 08:22 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- More precisely Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 16:54 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- More precisely olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 12:50 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- More precisely Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 20:59 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- More precisely olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 16:32 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- More precisely "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 14:37 -0700
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- More precisely Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 22:11 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- More precisely olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 17:17 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- More precisely Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 23:51 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- More precisely Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-01 18:14 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- deliberately misleading olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 13:38 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- deliberately misleading dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 14:45 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- deliberately misleading olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 14:01 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- deliberately misleading dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 15:05 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- deliberately misleading olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 14:13 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- deliberately misleading Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 22:46 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 17:50 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 23:47 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 18:56 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-02 00:12 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 19:18 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-02 00:50 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 20:13 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-02 02:40 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 21:49 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-02 17:47 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-02 07:39 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-02 07:19 -0600
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- deliberately misleading dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 22:13 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- deliberately misleading Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 22:19 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 17:31 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-02 17:57 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- deliberately misleading Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-01 22:36 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- deliberately misleading olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 17:38 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- deliberately misleading Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-02 07:43 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- deliberately misleading Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 22:59 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- deliberately misleading olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 18:09 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- deliberately misleading Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-02 22:32 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- deliberately misleading "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 19:51 -0700
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- deliberately misleading "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 12:50 -0700
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- deliberately misleading Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-01 20:23 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- deliberately misleading olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 15:32 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- deliberately misleading Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-01 21:16 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- deliberately misleading Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 22:00 +0000
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 03:38 +0000
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-11-01 00:19 -0400
      Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 17:37 -0500
        Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-31 23:16 +0000
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 19:38 -0400
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 01:05 +0000
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-11-01 02:38 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 21:43 -0500
        Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-10-31 22:17 -0400
  Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-10-31 12:48 +0000
    Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 08:58 -0500
      Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-10-31 17:43 +0000
        Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 13:25 -0500
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-10-31 22:26 -0400
      Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-31 17:49 +0000
        Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 17:38 -0500
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-31 23:06 +0000
            Monty Python (Was: Semantic properties of finite string inputs) Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-01 20:30 +0000
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 15:36 -0500
      Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-10-31 14:06 -0400
        Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-10-31 19:57 +0000
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-10-31 22:32 -0400
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-01 20:36 +0000
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-11-02 20:49 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-11-02 22:44 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-03 17:32 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 11:57 -0600
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-11-02 22:48 -0500
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 03:46 +0000
  Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-10-31 12:17 -0400
    Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 11:51 -0500
      Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-10-31 13:42 -0400
        Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 13:45 -0500
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-10-31 20:10 +0000
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- many months of careful crafting olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 16:00 -0500
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- many months of careful crafting Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-10-31 22:45 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- many months of careful crafting Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-01 21:39 +0000
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- many months of careful crafting joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-11-01 12:01 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- many months of careful crafting olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 08:14 -0500
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-10-31 22:38 -0400
      Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-11-01 12:10 +0000
        Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 08:18 -0500
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-11-01 13:23 +0000
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 08:55 -0500
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 09:45 -0400
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 22:49 +0000
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 16:59 +0000
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 12:53 -0500
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 20:34 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- damned liars olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 16:45 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- damned liars Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 23:40 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Breakthrough olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 17:11 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Breakthrough Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 23:33 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Breakthrough olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 18:42 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Breakthrough Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 23:58 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Breakthrough olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 19:01 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Breakthrough Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-02 00:14 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Breakthrough olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 19:21 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Breakthrough Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-11-02 01:13 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Breakthrough "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 18:27 -0700
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Breakthrough Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-11-02 01:59 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs --- Breakthrough "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 19:24 -0700
      Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 17:10 +0000
        Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 12:15 -0500
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-11-01 17:25 +0000
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 12:29 -0500
        Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-11-01 18:03 +0000
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 20:38 +0000
    Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-10-31 17:46 +0000
      Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-10-31 13:57 -0400
        Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-10-31 20:16 +0000
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 13:26 -0700
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-10-31 20:43 +0000
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 13:57 -0700
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 16:06 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 14:22 -0700
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-11-01 11:55 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 08:12 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-11-01 13:26 +0000
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 08:56 -0500
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 14:23 -0700
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-10-31 22:50 -0400
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-01 21:47 +0000
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-01 00:38 +0000
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-01 21:50 +0000
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 16:57 -0500
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-10-31 22:49 -0400
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-01 21:54 +0000
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 16:59 -0500
                Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-01 22:28 +0000
  Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-11-01 13:44 +0000
    Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 08:57 -0500
      Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-11-01 16:07 +0000
        Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 12:07 -0500
          Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-11-01 17:26 +0000
            Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 12:31 -0500
              Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-01 12:42 -0700

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