Apertus: With love, from Switzerland [02 Sept 2025] (Re: 2025 will be last year we hear of Python)

From	Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.prolog
Subject	Apertus: With love, from Switzerland [02 Sept 2025] (Re: 2025 will be last year we hear of Python)
Date	2025-09-05 00:36 +0100
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Hi,

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Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> 2025 will be last year we hear of Python.
> This is just a tears in your eyes Eulogy:
> 
> Python: The Documentary | An origin story
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfH4QL4VqJ0
> 
> The Zen of Python is very different
> from the Zen of Copilot+ . The bloody
> Copilot+ Laptop doesn't use Python
> 
> in its Artificial Intelligence:
> 
> AI Content Extraction
> - Python Involced? ❌ None at runtime,
>    Model runs in ONNX + DirectML on NPU
> 
> AI Image Search
> - Python Involced? ❌ None at runtime,
>    ON-device image feature, fully compiled
> 
> AI Phi Silica
> - Python Involced? ❌ None at runtime,
>    Lightweight Phi model packaged as ONNX
> 
> AI Semantic Analysis?
> - Python Involced? ❌ None at runtime,
>    Text understanding done via compiled
>    ONNX operators
> 
> Bye
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Woa! I didn't know that lausy Microsoft
>> Copilot certified Laptops are that fast:
>>
>> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>> % Dogelog Player 2.1.1 for Java
>>
>> % AMD Ryzen 5 4500U
>> % ?- time(test).
>> % % Zeit 756 ms, GC 1 ms, Lips 9950390, Uhr 23.08.2025 02:45
>> % true.
>>
>> % AMD Ryzen AI 7 350
>> % ?- time(test).
>> % % Zeit 378 ms, GC 1 ms, Lips 19900780, Uhr 28.08.2025 17:44
>> % true.
>>
>> What happened to the Death of Moore's Law?
>> But somehow memory speed, CPU - RAM and GPU - RAM
>> trippled. Possibly due to some Artificial
>>
>> Intelligence demand. And the bloody thing
>> has also a NPU (Neural Processing Unit),
>> nicely visible.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> About the RAM speed. L1, L2 and L3
>> caches are bigger. So its harder to poison
>> the CPU. Also the CPU shows a revival of
>>
>> Hyper-Threading Technology (HTT), which
>> AMD gives it a different name: They call it
>> Simultaneous multithreading (SMT).
>>
>> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/3702vs6397/AMD-Ryzen-5-4500U-vs-AMD-Ryzen-AI-7-350 
>>
>>
>> BTW: Still ticking along with the primes.pl example:
>>
>> test :-
>>     len(L, 1000),
>>     primes(L, _).
>>
>> primes([], 1).
>> primes([J|L], J) :-
>>     primes(L, I),
>>     K is I+1,
>>     search(L, K, J).
>>
>> search(L, I, J) :-
>>     mem(X, L),
>>     I mod X =:= 0, !,
>>     K is I+1,
>>     search(L, K, J).
>> search(_, I, I).
>>
>> mem(X, [X|_]).
>> mem(X, [_|Y]) :-
>>     mem(X, Y).
>>
>> len([], 0) :- !.
>> len([_|L], N) :-
>>     N > 0,
>>     M is N-1,
>>     len(L, M).
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> WebPL is already outdated I guess. It doesn't
>>> show the versions of the other Prolog systems
>>> it is using. While I had these results for
>>>
>>> the primes example in the WebPL playground:
>>>
>>> /* Trealla Prolog WASM */
>>> (23568.9ms)
>>>
>>> When I run the example here:
>>>
>>> https://php.energy/trealla.html
>>>
>>> I get better results:
>>>
>>> /* trealla-js 0.27.1 */
>>>
>>> ?- time(test).
>>> % Time elapsed 9.907s, 11263917 Inferences, 1.137 MLips
>>>
>>> Bye
>>
>

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WebPL is already outdated Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-08-17 18:37 +0200
  Heap/Stack versus WAM resp. ZIP (Was: WebPL is already outdated) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-08-18 14:52 +0200
    Trealla knows Program Sharing (PS) Tricks ? (Was: Heap/Stack versus WAM resp. ZIP) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-08-18 15:06 +0200
      Smarter Partial Strings would use Program Sharing ['$append'/3] (Was: Trealla knows Program Sharing (PS) Tricks ?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-08-18 15:42 +0200
        Static Shunting is even better [Dogelog Player] (Was: Smarter Partial Strings would use Program Sharing ['$append'/3]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-08-18 15:49 +0200
  The Artificial Intelligence Flip: Acer Swift Go! (Was: WebPL is already outdated) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-08-31 23:56 +0200
    2025 will be last year we hear of Python (Re: The Artificial Intelligence Flip: Acer Swift Go!) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-09-01 00:45 +0200
      Apertus: With love, from Switzerland [02 Sept 2025] (Re: 2025 will be last year we hear of Python) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-09-05 00:36 +0100
      Don't try this (Was: Apertus: With love, from Switzerland [02 Sept 2025] ) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-09-05 01:03 +0100
      AI means ambracing Non-Linearity (Was: 2025 will be last year we hear of Python) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-09-19 10:01 +0200
        AI soaked PCs: Is there a Copilot+ Prolog? (Was: AI means ambracing Non-Linearity) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-09-19 10:10 +0200
          The morning coffee incident [Prolog Community] (Was: AI soaked PCs: Is there a Copilot+ Prolog?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-09-19 14:38 +0200
            Root Cause Prediction for Your Brain (Was: The morning coffee incident [Prolog Community]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-09-19 18:22 +0200
              Please delete my account and all my posts on SWI-Prolog discourse (Re: Root Cause Prediction for Your Brain) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-09-19 18:38 +0200
                I will consult a Lawyer of mine (Was: Please delete my account and all my posts on SWI-Prolog discourse) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-09-19 18:42 +0200
  Scryer Prolog unify_with_occurs_check/2 doesn't scale (Was: WebPL is already outdated) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-09-19 16:08 +0200
    How bad is Rust, can JavaScript beat it? (Was: Scryer Prolog unify_with_occurs_check/2 doesn't scale) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-09-19 16:18 +0200
    unify_with_occurs_check/2 might have been fixed (Was: Scryer Prolog unify_with_occurs_check/2 doesn't scale) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-09-25 01:50 +0200
      Had to Rollback my Jaffar Unification (Was: unify_with_occurs_check/2 might have been fixed) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-09-25 01:59 +0200
        Trealla Prolog might apply "frozeness" to cyclic terms (Was: Had to Rollback my Jaffar Unification) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-09-25 02:06 +0200
          Non-intrusive through "frozen" subcategories (Was: Trealla Prolog might apply "frozeness" to cyclic terms) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-09-25 02:21 +0200
    Scryer Prolog occurs check cannot do hydra (Was: Scryer Prolog unify_with_occurs_check/2 doesn't scale) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-09-26 12:19 +0200
  WebPL and Scryer Prolog are bad examples (Was: WebPL is already outdated) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-13 09:49 +0200
    Who will win Shift-Reduce or Tabled DCG? [AI Boom] (Was: WebPL and Scryer Prolog are bad examples) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-13 15:09 +0200
  primes.pl mainly tests the Prolog ALU [mod/2 vs rem/2] (Was: WebPL is already outdated) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-15 02:38 +0200
    25-30% is insane, Neural Network Branch Prediction? (Was: primes.pl mainly tests the Prolog ALU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-15 04:33 +0200
      NPUs (Neural Processing Units) are the new normal (Was: 25-30% is insane, Neural Network Branch Prediction?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-15 16:04 +0200
        Ask Phind: AI inflection point right now [End 2025] (Was: NPUs (Neural Processing Units) are the new normal) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-15 16:10 +0200
          Eat Tteokbokki before SkyNet kills you [$100 ChatGPT] (Was: Ask Phind: AI inflection point right now [End 2025]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-18 15:57 +0200
            Give Julio Di Egidio the bloody money [3 RMB¥ MiniMind] (Re: Eat Tteokbokki before SkyNet kills you [$100 ChatGPT]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-18 16:19 +0200
              Vertex AI Training is more expensive? (Was: Give Julio Di Egidio the bloody money [3 RMB¥ MiniMind]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-21 00:32 +0200
        The Love Affair: OpenAI and AMD (Was: NPUs (Neural Processing Units) are the new normal) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-18 18:59 +0200
        The NPU in your Browser [WebNN by W3C] (Was: NPUs (Neural Processing Units) are the new normal) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-26 08:39 +0100
          Fuzzy Alert: Boris the Loris on the Dancefloor (Was: The NPU in your Browser [WebNN by W3C]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-26 11:33 +0100

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