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Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft

From Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft
Date 2025-08-26 01:52 +0000
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <108j41p$3p9li$2@dont-email.me> (permalink)
References (2 earlier) <BSPqQ.307627$3yJ3.76080@fx16.iad> <108gi5e$363cg$2@dont-email.me> <XuQqQ.57311$9va9.20111@fx04.iad> <108gltf$36rru$1@dont-email.me> <TwZqQ.42896$gVwb.33943@fx48.iad>

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 09:27:15 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> On 2025-08-24 11:39 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 23:10:47 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>> 
>>> On 8/24/2025 10:35 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I'm OK with their backdoor, it's not like Linux distros don't have
>>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> Which Linux distros have “backdoors”?
>>>
>>> I shouldn't have to tell you, if you were aware, paying attention to
>>> the clues.
>> 
>> It’s all Open Source -- remember, “Many Eyes Make All Bugs Shallow”.
>> What do you think the people have missed?
> 
> There was a backdoor in the xz utils that went undetected for a while.

“For a while” being only about a month -- not long enough for it to be 
included in any production distros, I don’t think
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XZ_Utils_backdoor>.

> Also, I recall that the NSA got involved in Linux development for a bit
> and provided some utilities which were perceived to be potential
> backdoors.

The entire code of SELinux came from them. It’s been checked over and over 
by independent experts looking for anything resembling a backdoor. It’s 
been part of the mainline kernel for about a quarter century now.

> Either way, it doesn't matter which operating system you use as long as
> the Intel Management Engine is part of their line of processors as is
> the Platform Security Processor for AMD. With that kind of backdoor in
> the machine, you're just as insecure in Linux as you would be in
> Windows.

Apparently not. My laptop vendor says they’ve disabled the IME. If they 
can do it, others can.

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I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 19:45 -0400
  Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 01:00 +0000
    Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 21:18 -0400
  Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CtrlAltDel <Altie@Bham.com> - 2025-08-25 02:16 +0000
    Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 22:27 -0400
      Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 02:35 +0000
        Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 23:10 -0400
          Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 03:39 +0000
            Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 23:50 -0400
              Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 04:30 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 02:35 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 07:11 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 03:41 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 07:49 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 04:01 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 08:15 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Not Necessary <not@necessary.invalid> - 2025-08-25 14:29 +0530
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CtrlAltDel <Altie@AL.invalid> - 2025-08-25 09:48 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Not Necessary <not@necessary.invalid> - 2025-08-25 08:53 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 09:28 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 09:45 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-25 14:38 -0500
            Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-25 06:06 +0000
              Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 02:46 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 07:12 +0000
            Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 09:27 -0400
              Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-25 14:35 -0500
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 17:07 -0400
              Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-26 01:52 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-26 09:47 -0400
      Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jaworski1978@adres.pl> - 2025-08-25 05:12 +0200
        Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-24 23:20 -0400
        Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 04:26 +0000
        Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-25 06:03 +0000
          Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 02:44 -0400
            Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 07:13 +0000
              Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 03:43 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 08:16 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 04:35 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 09:29 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 05:46 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 21:54 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 18:07 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-26 01:54 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 08:41 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 03:46 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CtrlAltDel <Altie@AL.invalid> - 2025-08-25 08:51 +0000
  Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-25 14:59 -0500
    Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 16:31 -0400
      Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CtrlAltDel <Altie@AL.invalid> - 2025-08-25 22:23 +0000
        Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CtrlAltDel <Altie@AL.invalid> - 2025-08-25 22:26 +0000
          Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 19:39 -0400
        Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 19:39 -0400
          Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CtrlAltDel <Altie@AL.invalid> - 2025-08-25 23:54 +0000
            Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-25 20:06 -0400
              Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-26 01:55 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 07:45 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-26 22:50 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-27 01:33 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-27 06:38 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-26 09:51 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 10:02 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 18:57 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 15:09 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-26 15:45 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-26 17:09 -0500
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-26 19:33 -0400
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                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-27 06:35 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-27 09:07 -0400
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                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-28 08:53 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 17:35 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 06:36 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 17:05 +0000
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                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 06:26 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-29 08:31 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-28 16:33 -0500
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 06:37 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-30 06:09 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-29 08:35 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 06:32 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-29 08:46 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-30 06:01 +0000
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                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-31 10:06 -0400
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                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-01 08:26 -0400
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                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-02 09:10 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-09-03 10:18 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-01 02:48 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-09-01 08:43 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-02 03:54 +0000
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                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 03:24 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-09-03 04:09 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-03 04:13 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 08:04 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-03 04:14 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 19:48 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-28 06:17 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-27 06:33 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-08-27 09:07 -0400
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-28 00:43 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-08-28 06:12 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-08-28 15:41 +0000
                Re: I may have underestimated Microsoft rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 17:40 +0000
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