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Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of

From	-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Newsgroups	misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject	Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of
Date	2025-08-25 14:41 -0400
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On 8/24/25 21:26, Marion wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 17:14:04 -0400, -hh wrote :
>> Because the greater overall wealth of iPhone customers alone would
>> suggest they have a greater ability for a higher turnover rate, this
>> implies some other, more significant factor is in play.  There's a lot
>> of cheap Androids, so the longer iPhone life could be due to Apple's
>> market decision to not sell cheap low build quality phones which are
>> more prone to breaking/dying more quickly.
> 
> Sometimes you make sense.
> Sometimes you make no sense.
> 
> Your argument is absurd.

Nope, far from it.  Sorry that it went over your head.

> First off, you're cherry picking since the vast majority of phones out
> there are NOT iPhones, so you're ignoring the vast majority of owners.

Of course I am, because I'm looking at just the domestic market, which 
is where these replacement & income metrics were from.  That there's a 
billion 3rd world customers too just isn't relevant.

> You're literally cherry picking only the wealthy owners, and then, you
> triumphantly declare that they're rich & intelligent in the same breath.

No, the logic is A > B, and B > C, therefore A > C.  The A > B part was 
noting that smartphone demographic research data shows that the two 
customer populations aren't the same, with those who choose Apple 
correlating to significantly higher incomes.  The B > C part refers to 
non-smartphone studies which show that higher incomes are correlated to 
having higher educational achievement.  Both studies are stochastic, not 
deterministic, of course.
> Then you compare that $1000 iPhone to a $45 Android ... 
Your hyperbola attempts aside, I have seen a study which found that the 
average iPhone valuation is ~$400, and Android just under $300.

Since the Apple price is less than their cheapest phone, I suspect that 
they may be pro-rating the products based on average age, which since 
iPhones are replaced less frequently could be effectively comparing the 
residual value of a ~2.5 year old iPhone to a ~1.5 year old Android..?

> and declare that not
> only are the people who pay $1000 for something that can't even do what the
> $45 Android can do, but that it lasts longer (you claim) by virtue only of
> the fact that it costs $1000 while any old Android that costs $45 (you
> claim) doesn't last longer - even as the build quality is vastly greater.

Incorrect:  what I posited was that perhaps *a* reason why iPhone owners 
keep them for long is because Apple build quality may be higher, for the 
simple reason that they choose to not sell cheap junk phones.  We know 
that this isn't the case for Android.

> WTF?
> Have you no argument at all that you have to make such absurd claims?

They're not absurd claims:  it is merely stating known facts.
And I've been deliberate to note what are *possible* reasons.

> You're desperate to claim a $1000 iPhone has more functionality than a $45
> Android when you can't even list any functionality that it supposedly has.

No, I've not stated any position about 'functionality'.

> Why would someone pay $1000 for an iPhone that can't do what any $45
> Android can? That's NOT an intelligent person's kind of decision.

Why do rich people pay $8,000 for a Hermes purse?  Does a Hermes have 
10x the 'functionality' of an $800 purse?  /s
> What you're really saying is people who pay $100 for iPhones are stupid
> since they could have paid $45 for an Android & gotten more functionality.

Just as I'd noted to Joel, you also need Sam Vime's theory of boots.

> People who buy a Rolex aren't smarter than people who buy a Timex you know.
Depends on how one defines "smarter":  on an income basis comparison, 
the Rolex buyers are certainly on average more affluent.  We know that 
higher income correlates to higher educational achievement.  We also 
know that educational achievement similarly correlates to higher IQ.

What I was noting was that the higher income carries the connotation of 
a greater ability for them to change [here, timepieces] more frequently 
with lower consequences...but for this analogy to iPhones, they actually 
don't actually change more frequently, but do so less frequently:  why?

The inference is that there's some aspect of higher product quality 
which decreases their motivation for its rate of replacement being as 
high as it is for Androids.

-hh

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The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 22:30 +0000
  Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-08-14 06:53 +0200
  Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 05:55 +0000
    Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-14 16:50 +0000
      Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 10:38 -0700
      Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 18:03 +0000
        Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-19 11:58 +0000
          Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-19 14:26 +0000
            Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-20 07:10 +0000
              Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-20 16:57 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-20 21:17 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-21 00:11 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-21 07:14 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-21 21:30 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-22 02:03 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-23 11:56 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-24 01:22 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-23 16:22 -0700
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-24 01:31 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-24 17:14 -0400
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-25 01:26 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-25 14:41 -0400
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-26 10:00 +1200
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-26 03:06 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 16:26 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-27 00:48 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-27 16:43 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-28 03:13 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-28 19:23 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-28 23:48 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 15:28 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-30 22:22 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-31 16:59 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-31 18:32 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-02 12:32 -0400
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-02 22:03 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-09-02 22:50 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-03 15:28 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-09-03 17:11 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-08 18:55 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-09-09 00:13 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-10 15:58 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 15:38 -0400
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-27 21:16 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-28 03:24 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 19:17 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-26 01:57 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-26 09:19 -0400
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-26 09:23 -0400
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-27 08:40 +1200
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-28 03:42 +0000
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-28 16:17 -0400
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-28 16:19 -0400
                Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-29 10:46 -0400

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