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Re: How to be a "real" scientist.

Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Date	2016-05-29 23:47 -0700
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Subject	Re: How to be a "real" scientist.
From	mlwozniak@wp.pl

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W dniu niedziela, 29 maja 2016 16:00:47 UTC+2 użytkownik JanPB napisał:
> On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 11:27:24 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > JanPB wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 1:03:31 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > JanPB wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 11:26:41 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is legal to criticise whatever you like in physics (or any other
> > > > > > science).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But your critique will not get very far. Especially inside such
> > > > > > locked-in communities  critique will not be heard, since the insiders
> > > > > > have no interest in listening to challenging statements from outside.
> > > > >
> > > > > No. It doesn't work that way. The reality is that _in fact_ there are no "challenging statements"
> > > > > in physics (or mathematics) "from the outside" to speak of(*). Physics and mathematics have
> > > > > evolved to the point where a significant amount of time and honest work is required to even
> > > > > understand the subject fully, let alone contribute to it.
> > > > >
> > > > > So the people "inside" can tell right away that such "challenges" are worthless but the
> > > > > "challengers" cannot understand why. Instead, they claim some weird "conspiracies" and
> > > > > vent on the Internet.
> > > > >
> > > > > (*) except philosophical
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jan
> > > >
> > > > That is complete garbage!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Real physics comes from...'understanding' without the mathematics.
> > > 
> > > Without understanding the mathematics you have no understanding of physics.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Jan
> > 
> > 
> > I understand...
> > 'this thing of yours'..
> > this invention yous
> > call...Math,
> > 
> > is just another
> > language yous
> > invented.
> > 
> > But, you're under
> > an illusion that it's real.
> > 
> > You are sooo close
> > to the math trees, that
> > you have to climb
> > mountains and bigger
> > moutains in order to
> > see the math forest.
> > 
> > You're in a mandelbrot.
> > http://guciek.github.io/web_mandelbrot.html
> > 
> > The more you click
> > the deeper you fall in
> > the more complicated it
> > gets...you become,
> > infected.
> 
> No. Don't invent excuses, it is simply as I said. It's really nothing exotic, you'd similarly
> insist that a surgeon be competent before operating on you, etc.

Tell me, poor idiot, if a surgeon yelled
that common  sense is a set of prejudices -
would you allow him to operate you?

Thread

How to be a "real" scientist. benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-26 15:00 -0400
  Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 12:18 -0700
  Re: How to be a "real" scientist. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-26 17:15 -0700
  Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-05-26 21:47 -0500
  Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-05-27 07:11 +0200
    Re: How to be a "real" scientist. benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-27 02:28 -0400
      Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-05-28 08:26 +0200
        Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-28 06:26 -0700
          Re: How to be a "real" scientist. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-28 13:03 -0700
            Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-28 17:04 -0700
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-05-29 04:48 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-28 22:25 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 06:01 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-31 12:06 -0400
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-05-31 23:54 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-06-03 11:14 -0500
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-05 16:12 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 11:02 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-05-31 20:13 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 15:58 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 16:40 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 18:07 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 21:24 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 20:22 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-05-31 23:25 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 11:20 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-01 20:38 +0200
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-05-28 20:08 -0700
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-05-29 08:08 +0200
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-28 23:27 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-29 07:00 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-05-29 23:47 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-29 18:48 -0700
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-30 12:08 -0700
        Re: How to be a "real" scientist. RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-29 00:03 -0700
          Re: How to be a "real" scientist. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-29 08:34 -0700
          Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-05-29 22:49 +0200
            Re: How to be a "real" scientist. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-29 19:22 -0700
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-29 19:42 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-29 19:56 -0700
        Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-05-31 09:56 -0500
          Re: How to be a "real" scientist. benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-31 11:53 -0400
            Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-05-31 15:27 -0500
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-05-31 22:32 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 14:29 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-05-31 23:23 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-05-31 23:41 -0700
          Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-05-31 19:48 +0200
          Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-01 21:01 +0200
            Re: How to be a "real" scientist. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-01 16:38 -0700
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-01 16:58 -0700
          Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-03 06:13 +0200
            Re: How to be a "real" scientist. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-02 23:38 -0700
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 08:12 -0700
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-04 06:23 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 14:05 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-05 10:49 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 11:52 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-05 21:32 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 14:28 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-06 00:11 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 08:04 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-06 17:17 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-05 10:37 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 14:30 -0700

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