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Re: iCloud Hacked Article

From Davoud <star@sky.net>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: iCloud Hacked Article
Date 2012-08-07 20:40 -0400
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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Barry Margolin:
> > But this whole debacle mostly highlights how difficult it is to do 
> > reliable identity verification over the phone.  Companies could be more 
> > stringent, but it will be a big inconvenience for the 99% of callers who 
> > really are who they say they are.

John Varela:
> What's really ridiculous is this: I handle all our family's 
> financial matters. When I call some company to have some change made
> to an account that is in my wife's name, they insist they have to 
> talk to her. So she comes on, lets them hear a woman's voice, and 
> then they let me do whatever. For all they know, we're in the middle
> of a divorce, I am stripping her accounts, and the woman they spoke 
> to is my girlfriend.

You and Mr. Margolin both have it right. In my capacity as pro bono
Internet and/or new-computer-set-up guy for seniors, I go to peoples'
homes to work for them. They trust me because they learned about me
from friends whom they trust; I do not advertise. Sometimes it is
necessary to call the ISP for information, and they do ask for Mrs. Doe
to confirm that I am authorized to have the information. What a joke.
But I couldn't help these folks without that ease of access.

I have a record of all of these folks' passwords, of course. I have to
keep them because I give them non-trivial passwords and they can't be
expected to remember them all, and sometimes they lose the printed copy
that I gave them (unless it's taped to the computer display). I keep
the passwords in a folder encrypted by Exces <http://excesapp.com> with
a complex password that I have memorized and also stored, not on any
computer, but in two physically secure locations.

Personally, whom do you trust? I trust my wife and my wife trusts me.
Each of us has access to the login information for all of our accounts,
from banks to CU's to brokerages to mail and shopping, so each can act
on the other's instructions from afar without having to transmit login
information in the clear or say it on the phone.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-06 17:46 -0400
  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-06 21:54 +0000
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-06 20:33 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-06 20:47 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 01:05 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 01:26 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 06:05 +0000
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 02:20 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2012-08-08 00:08 +0000
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-07 20:40 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-07 13:20 +1200
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-07 10:48 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 12:34 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 12:58 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-08 14:30 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article MC <copespaz@mapca.inter.net> - 2012-08-08 17:18 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:19 +0000
  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-06 23:21 -0400
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 04:49 +0000
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 01:15 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-07 09:24 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 09:29 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 01:26 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 05:41 +0000
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 02:11 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 06:22 +0000
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 02:31 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-07 08:28 +0200
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-07 09:19 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 09:30 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:15 +0000
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-08 08:11 -0400
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2012-08-07 18:26 +0000
  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-07 00:26 -0400
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 00:31 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-07 20:16 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-08 12:28 +1200
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-08 01:13 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-08 11:16 +0200
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-09 02:56 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-09 09:46 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-09 10:35 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-09 12:41 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-09 14:15 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-09 14:57 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-09 16:25 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-10 22:51 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas@gmail.com> - 2012-08-07 18:34 -0600
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 20:41 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-08 01:14 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-08 01:49 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:29 +0000
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-08 01:14 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 15:25 +0000
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-09 02:57 -0400
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 04:49 +0000
  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Jeff N <jeff+no.spam@jnadeau.com> - 2012-08-07 00:01 -0700
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 03:48 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-07 20:49 +0200
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 15:27 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-07 21:52 +0200
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-07 17:33 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-07 16:44 -0500
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-07 18:09 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-07 18:33 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-07 19:26 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-07 19:19 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-07 21:07 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-08 11:14 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-08 13:11 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-09 04:56 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2012-08-08 21:48 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-08 17:50 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-08 19:15 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-08 20:16 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-08 22:22 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-09 07:03 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-09 10:57 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-09 12:29 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-09 14:50 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-10 22:53 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-11 20:18 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-11 21:44 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-11 23:35 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-09 19:00 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-08 11:19 +0200
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-07 23:06 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-08 11:26 +0200
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-08 10:59 +0000
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-08 16:27 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-08 17:29 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-08 22:25 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-09 13:30 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-09 14:49 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-09 15:05 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-09 15:55 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-09 14:53 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-09 20:30 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-09 17:50 -0700
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-10 09:15 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-08-10 10:18 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-10 08:49 -0700
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-10 10:50 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-10 08:48 -0700
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-10 12:21 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-10 10:00 -0700
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-10 13:23 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-10 22:54 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-12 20:14 -0400
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-07 08:50 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-07 20:55 +0200
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-07 15:17 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 15:27 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:28 +0000
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-08 11:39 +0200
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-08 10:44 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-08 14:59 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2012-08-09 10:50 +0100
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2012-08-08 17:40 -0700
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-09 07:55 -0600
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-09 10:40 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-08 11:15 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-08 11:42 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 15:19 +0000
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-08 15:44 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-08 18:36 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-08 19:21 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-08 21:09 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-09 05:34 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-09 10:45 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-09 17:39 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-09 11:12 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-10 01:08 +0000
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-07 22:59 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:31 +0000

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