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Re: Facetime on Android

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In article <edd4u3Fu1lhU1@mid.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> > > > > 
> > > > >   I'm sure that in your walled garden universe there isn't, but we can
> > > > > hope that Apple is actually just a tad smarter than you, cant we!?
> > > > 
> > > > the only walls are those *you* put up.
> > > 
> > >   Nope, *Apple* put up those walls, or better, did not pull them down.
> > 
> > the only walls are the ones of your own making.
> > 
> > people who actually use apple products aren't limited by these mythical
> > walls. 
> 
>   Good luck using FaceTime accross the wall which you claim doesn't
> exist!
> 
>   Care to tell us how you're going to use FaceTime to communicate with
> other platforms like Android, Windows, etc?

just because facetime is currently apple-only doesn't mean there's a
wall. far from it.

there are *many* ways to do what facetime does to communicate between
apple and android, windows, etc., several of which have been mentioned
already.

for there to be an actual wall (which there isn't), apple would need to
actively prohibit *all* other options by locking things down so that
alternatives could *never* be implemented at all, thereby forcing
people to use only apple solutions. they don't do that.

there is no wall.

you're also showing just how much of hypocrite you are in that there
are a lot of apps that are *only* on android or *only* on windows, with
no option for mac or ios users. in your world, that would be a wall,
which you conveniently ignore.

> > > > >   BTW, can you please go and create your own walled garden version of
> > > > > Usenet? It would be ever so much better for all concerned! After all,
> > > > > who needs fscking standards [1] if you can make closed proprietary
> > > > > stuff?
> > > > 
> > > > facetime is only closed due to losing a patent troll lawsuit. apple
> > > > *wanted* it to be open source.
> > > 
> > >   Non sequitur! As mentioned/quoted above, it doesn't have to be open
> > > source to be ported (by Apple):
> > 
> > there is no benefit for apple to port it themselves to competing
> > platforms.
> 
>   And then why do other companies *do* port their stuff to 'competing
> platforms'? Exactly, because *they* don't believe in a walled garden
> approach.

some do and some don't.

why doesn't google port android to iphones and ipads? 

the ios kernel is open source, as is quite a bit more, so they have a
head start.

why doesn't another company port android to existing ios devices? that
would be a *lot* cheaper than designing and building a new android
phone. it would also get a *lot* of free publicity, saving the company
even more money, with every tech blog and numerous major news outlets
writing about it. 

the answer, of course, is that there's no benefit in doing so. it would
lose money in the end. 

also note that there are licensing fees to use parts of android, which
is a wall. some of those noname android devices do not have the play
store, which means a lot of apps aren't directly available to them. yet
another wall.

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  Re: Facetime on Android Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-12-31 09:25 +0100
    Re: Facetime on Android Stijn De Jong <stijndekoning@nlnet.nl> - 2016-12-31 20:17 +0100
  Re: Facetime on Android tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-12-31 04:07 -0500
    Re: Facetime on Android Stijn De Jong <stijndekoning@nlnet.nl> - 2016-12-31 20:17 +0100
  Re: Facetime on Android Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 08:36 +0000
    Re: Facetime on Android nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-06 08:58 -0500
      Re: Facetime on Android Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2017-01-06 16:20 +0100
        Re: Facetime on Android nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-06 11:03 -0500
          Re: Facetime on Android Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-06 19:48 +0000
            Re: Facetime on Android nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-06 15:16 -0500
              Re: Facetime on Android Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-06 20:40 +0000
                Re: Facetime on Android nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-06 15:48 -0500
                Re: Facetime on Android Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 11:08 +0000
                Re: Facetime on Android nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-07 13:06 -0500
                Re: Facetime on Android Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-07 19:54 +0000
                Re: Facetime on Android nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-07 15:11 -0500
                Re: Facetime on Android Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 22:57 +0000
                Re: Facetime on Android nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-07 18:23 -0500
                Re: Facetime on Android Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-07 19:54 +0000
                Re: Facetime on Android nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-07 15:11 -0500
                Re: Facetime on Android Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-07 21:29 +0000
                Re: Facetime on Android nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-07 18:23 -0500
                Re: Facetime on Android tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-08 00:48 -0500
                Re: Facetime on Android Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-08 17:00 +0000
                Re: Facetime on Android nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-10 21:41 -0500

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