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Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos

From nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos
Date 2014-07-04 22:14 -0400
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Message-ID <040720142214299930%nospam@nospam.invalid> (permalink)
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In article <mcmurtrie-29397D.18515904072014@news.sonic.net>, Kevin
McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:

> > > If the Adobe market on Macs is still borderline, I could see Apple
> > > giving Adobe a nudge in the right direction by no longer producing
> > > competing software.
> > 
> > The Adobe market on Macs has never been "borderline".
> 
> Apple was _extremely_ close to going out of business around the time 
> MacOS 9 and the junky PPC 603 Performas were their main product.  I was 
> a software developer in Silicon Valley at the time and everybody was 
> talking about Mac development shutting down.  The customer base was 
> falling below 3%, early versions of OS 9 were too buggy, and new PPC 603 
> Performa models were far too slow for modern features. 

things were turning around by mac os 8.1, and certainly by mac os 9.

it was in the 7.5-7.6 days when apple was in trouble and companies were
questioning whether to continue to support them.

> If I remember 
> correctly, Adobe did unofficially abandon Apple development.  

they didn't, but it was a strong consideration.

> The 
> company I worked for unofficially abandoned Apple development too. (BTW, 
> I fixed one of the huge OS 9 bugs that made apps crash.  You're welcome.)
> 
> Microsoft saved Apple's butt to avoid some complicated anti-trust 
> regulations.  Jobs returning was good enough news that some Mac software 
> development eventually returned.

if you mean microsoft's $150m stock purchase, that was an out of court
settlement for infringing on quicktime ip.

> So now back in the year 2014:
> 
> - Apple delivers the "Trash Can" Mac Pro, which is like a very fast 
> sport bike for professionals who asked for a truck.

yet it's selling quite well and only recently caught up with backorders.

> - More iCloud integration, but iCloud storage is 10 years out of date 
> and not compatible with non-Apple devices.

why would they support non-apple devices? apple wants you to buy more
apple products.

> - Controlling software sales and locking out the free market.

all companies do that. just look at microsoft.

> - Both Google and Microsoft are competition.

google definitely is, but microsoft not so much anymore.

> - "Sandboxing" complicates, cripples, and makes some use patterns 
> confusing.

it complicates some things and simplifies others.

> - Not adding support for modern open standards.  Not even Bluetooth File 
> Transfer on iPhones.

bluetooth file transfer is ridiculously slow, which is one of the key
reasons it's not there.

long ago, when phones didn't have wifi, that's all there was, plus the
stuff that was transferred was tiny, typically contact information.

today, files are *much* bigger and file transfer over bluetooth would
be *horrible*.

instead, they have airdrop which uses bluetooth to establish a wifi
connection which is *much* faster.

> - Not documenting graphics systems again.

what part isn't documented?

the documentation isn't as good as it could be but it's there.

> - Last few OS releases are just screwing with the GUI while the core 
> becomes unusably obsolete.

it's not obsolete, unless you mean it's based on unix which is archaic.

> - Apple announces yet another development environment that doesn't work 
> with anything else.

eh? which environment is that?

if you mean swift, that's a *language*, not a development environment,
and it fixes most of what's wrong with objective-c.

> I'm still a software developer in Silicon Valley.  Everyone that I know 
> is preparing to to jump to another platform if/when the Apple market 
> collapses.

then they're going to be sadly disappointed, because it won't.

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Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-01 20:06 -0700
  Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-07-01 20:54 -0700
    Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-02 04:19 +0000
      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Beli <baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> - 2014-07-02 08:59 +0200
        Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-02 13:23 +0000
  Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Beli <baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> - 2014-07-02 08:56 +0200
    Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-02 09:54 +0100
      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-02 10:25 -0700
        Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-02 19:10 +0100
          Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-02 11:30 -0700
        Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-07-04 08:25 +0200
          Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-04 15:52 -0400
            Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-04 14:49 -0700
              Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 18:05 -0400
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Beli <baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> - 2014-07-05 09:35 +0200
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-05 12:27 -0400
              Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-07-04 18:51 -0700
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 19:01 -0700
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-07-04 19:54 -0700
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 23:07 -0400
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-05 03:09 +0000
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 23:15 -0400
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 03:20 +0000
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-05 02:04 -0400
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 22:14 -0400
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-04 22:34 -0400
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 02:59 +0000
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-05 02:57 -0400
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-05 07:53 +0000
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-07-05 20:19 -0400
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-05 07:18 -0700
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 23:07 -0400
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-05 03:13 +0000
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 02:49 +0000
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-04 20:02 -0700
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-05 03:04 +0000
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-05 02:08 -0400
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-07-05 18:37 +1200
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-05 03:41 -0400
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-05 15:07 +0000
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-05 14:15 -0400
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-07-06 14:59 +1200
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-06 02:42 -0400
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-05 23:51 -0700
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-07-06 23:59 +1200
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-05 07:16 -0700
  Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-02 09:01 +0000
    Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos billy@MIX.COM - 2014-07-02 15:55 +0000
      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-02 09:05 -0700
      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-02 18:06 +0000
        Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-02 15:11 -0400
          Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-02 19:56 +0000
            Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-02 17:37 -0700
              Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-03 05:31 +0000
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 16:06 -0400
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-05 09:11 +0000
      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-02 22:39 +0000
    Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-02 09:04 -0700
      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-02 12:44 -0400
        Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-02 09:53 -0700
          Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-02 15:16 -0400
            Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-02 12:32 -0700
              Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-02 17:24 -0700
              Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-02 22:49 -0400
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-02 21:01 -0700
      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-02 18:11 +0000
        Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-02 15:11 -0400
          Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-02 19:57 +0000
            Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-02 22:39 +0000
              Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-03 05:30 +0000
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-07-03 10:20 -0700
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-04 09:23 +0000
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-04 16:06 -0400
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-05 09:12 +0000
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-06 21:56 -0400
                Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-07 22:53 +0000
    Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-02 15:10 -0400
      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-02 19:54 +0000
    Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-02 22:36 +0000
      Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-07-03 05:22 +0000
  Re: Apple promises 'professional-grade' features in OS X Photos Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-02 22:34 +0000

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