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Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software"

Subject Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software"
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++
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Date 2019-12-11 12:11 +0000

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On 11/12/2019 09:49, boltar@nowhere.co.uk wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 21:09:24 +0000
> Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 10/12/2019 13:12, boltar@nowhere.co.uk wrote:
>>> Are you talking about NT here or some reliable and fast OS that MS never
>>> released? Win NT was a blue screening, slow joke of an OS and frankly I'd
>> have
>>> expected better from people who worked on VMS.
>>
>> After using Windows 3.1 (the 16 bit one) Windows NT 3.1 was a breath of
>> fresh air. It just kept running. It really didn't crash (except when our
>> HW was broken, and since we were developing it that did happen).
> 
> Perhaps I was spoilt - I went straight from 8 bit at home to unix at university
> so I was used to using HP-UX and Solaris at 21. Then I was introduced to
> Windows. It was like going from a Ferrari to a Lada

My experience was the opposite. I didn't think a great deal of Windows, 
which to my mind simply got in the way (compared to my previously using 
MS/PC-DOS for ten years where you had direct control of a lot more of 
the hardware).

But trying out Linux every few years, Windows always looked and felt 
solidly professional by comparison. On Windows, things just worked 
(mouse, USB, printers, internet, display), whereas on Linux during the 
90s,  these rarely worked properly, or worked badly, or had to be coaxed 
into working via configuration files.

And even when the display worked, it looked dreadful, like a cheap 80s 
home computer. That's probably not surprising considering Windows was 
backed by a multi-billion dollar company, and supported by multitudinous 
hardware vendors, while Linux was hacked together by amateurs in their 
spare time, it seemed. (And with dozens of different distributions.)

 > so I was used to using HP-UX and Solaris at 21.

If you were writing software for use by the general public, then Windows 
machines were obtainable anywhere at any PC store, all ready to go.

That was a huge advantage compared to having software relying on obscure 
workstations (where did you even buy such a thing).

I suspect such machines were more expensive too.

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"Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2019-12-02 13:59 -0600
  Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-02 12:33 -0800
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                Re: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software" boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-10 15:35 +0000
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