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  Analogue to Digital Voice issues Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-20 22:27 +0100
    Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-21 07:40 +0100
      Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-21 08:10 +0100
        Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-21 08:58 +0100
          Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-21 11:26 +0100
            Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-05-22 11:46 +0100
    Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-21 09:11 +0100
    Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2026-05-21 10:27 +0100
      Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2026-05-21 10:37 +0100
        Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> - 2026-05-23 12:13 +0100
          Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2026-05-23 12:44 +0100
            Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-23 20:29 +0100
            Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> - 2026-05-24 10:42 +0100
              Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 11:30 +0100
                Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2026-05-24 13:36 +0100
                  Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 15:24 +0100
                    Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2026-05-24 16:41 +0100
                      Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> - 2026-05-25 10:26 +0100
                        Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2026-05-25 11:29 +0100
                          Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> - 2026-05-26 09:13 +0100
                Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> - 2026-05-25 10:28 +0100
                  Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-25 12:35 +0100
                    Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-05-25 17:45 +0100
                      Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> - 2026-05-26 09:16 +0100
                    Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> - 2026-05-26 09:15 +0100
    Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-05-21 19:08 +0100
      Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2026-05-21 20:04 +0100
        Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues grinch <grinch@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-22 10:26 +0100

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#39599

On Sun, 24 May 2026 11:30:42 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>On 24/05/2026 10:42, Trolleybus wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 May 2026 12:44:43 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>>
>>>> Since then, due to my very low volume of genuine incoming landline
>>>> calls, I've binned the Siemens and all but one of the Panasonics and
>>>> added a single Fritz!FON. I've configured the Fritx!Box to divert to
>>>> answerphone after 10s and play the audio through the Fritz!FON, so I
>>>> have call screening.
>>>
>>> My DECT 'phones let an incoming call ring for the maximum allowed, then
>>> the answering machine part answers, and allows me to screen the call. I
>>> see nothing wrong with your setup, but I don't see an advantage either.
>>> Except probably a bigger 'Barred' number memory. I use my bedside
>>> handset as an alarm clock, and if the Intruder/Fire alarm goes off, I
>>> have the 'phone right there with me.
>>> Horses for courses.
>> 
>> The only advantage I'm claiming is that I no lomger need to keep a
>> redundant DECT base station, nor plug anything physically into the
>> router, which is in a room that doesn't need a landline phone.
>
>But you need a base station (even just a "dumb" one) to keep the DECT 
>handset charged. I haven't tried the Fritz!Box radio connection to the 
>DECT phone yet. I'm content with how it's working at present - the 
>"engaged" tone with answerphone is a minor annoyance - and CLI still 
>works well. I asked Zen Support if, when using the Fritz!Box in 
>answerphone mode, the Fon led lights up when a recorded message is left, 
>but haven't had a reply.

Of course you don't need a base station. Just a dumb charging cradle
at the point where you keep the handset. The base station
functionality (i.e. what we might today call the server) is now inside
the Fritz!Box.

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#39601

On 25/05/2026 10:28, Trolleybus wrote:
> On Sun, 24 May 2026 11:30:42 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 24/05/2026 10:42, Trolleybus wrote:
>>> On Sat, 23 May 2026 12:44:43 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Since then, due to my very low volume of genuine incoming landline
>>>>> calls, I've binned the Siemens and all but one of the Panasonics and
>>>>> added a single Fritz!FON. I've configured the Fritx!Box to divert to
>>>>> answerphone after 10s and play the audio through the Fritz!FON, so I
>>>>> have call screening.
>>>>
>>>> My DECT 'phones let an incoming call ring for the maximum allowed, then
>>>> the answering machine part answers, and allows me to screen the call. I
>>>> see nothing wrong with your setup, but I don't see an advantage either.
>>>> Except probably a bigger 'Barred' number memory. I use my bedside
>>>> handset as an alarm clock, and if the Intruder/Fire alarm goes off, I
>>>> have the 'phone right there with me.
>>>> Horses for courses.
>>>
>>> The only advantage I'm claiming is that I no lomger need to keep a
>>> redundant DECT base station, nor plug anything physically into the
>>> router, which is in a room that doesn't need a landline phone.
>>
>> But you need a base station (even just a "dumb" one) to keep the DECT
>> handset charged. I haven't tried the Fritz!Box radio connection to the
>> DECT phone yet. I'm content with how it's working at present - the
>> "engaged" tone with answerphone is a minor annoyance - and CLI still
>> works well. I asked Zen Support if, when using the Fritz!Box in
>> answerphone mode, the Fon led lights up when a recorded message is left,
>> but haven't had a reply.
> 
> Of course you don't need a base station. Just a dumb charging cradle
> at the point where you keep the handset. The base station
> functionality (i.e. what we might today call the server) is now inside
> the Fritz!Box.

Apologies for using "base station" as a term for the dumb charger as 
well. Panasonic just refer to it as the "charger". Actually, according 
to the Panasonic manual, over a year there would be only 3.5kWh 
difference in consumption between the two, so around £1 at present costs.

-- 
Jeff

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#39605

On 25/05/2026 12:35, Jeff Layman wrote:
> On 25/05/2026 10:28, Trolleybus wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 May 2026 11:30:42 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/05/2026 10:42, Trolleybus wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 23 May 2026 12:44:43 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since then, due to my very low volume of genuine incoming landline
>>>>>> calls, I've binned the Siemens and all but one of the Panasonics and
>>>>>> added a single Fritz!FON. I've configured the Fritx!Box to divert to
>>>>>> answerphone after 10s and play the audio through the Fritz!FON, so I
>>>>>> have call screening.
>>>>>
>>>>> My DECT 'phones let an incoming call ring for the maximum allowed, 
>>>>> then
>>>>> the answering machine part answers, and allows me to screen the 
>>>>> call. I
>>>>> see nothing wrong with your setup, but I don't see an advantage 
>>>>> either.
>>>>> Except probably a bigger 'Barred' number memory. I use my bedside
>>>>> handset as an alarm clock, and if the Intruder/Fire alarm goes off, I
>>>>> have the 'phone right there with me.
>>>>> Horses for courses.
>>>>
>>>> The only advantage I'm claiming is that I no lomger need to keep a
>>>> redundant DECT base station, nor plug anything physically into the
>>>> router, which is in a room that doesn't need a landline phone.
>>>
>>> But you need a base station (even just a "dumb" one) to keep the DECT
>>> handset charged. I haven't tried the Fritz!Box radio connection to the
>>> DECT phone yet. I'm content with how it's working at present - the
>>> "engaged" tone with answerphone is a minor annoyance - and CLI still
>>> works well. I asked Zen Support if, when using the Fritz!Box in
>>> answerphone mode, the Fon led lights up when a recorded message is left,
>>> but haven't had a reply.
>>
>> Of course you don't need a base station. Just a dumb charging cradle
>> at the point where you keep the handset. The base station
>> functionality (i.e. what we might today call the server) is now inside
>> the Fritz!Box.
> 
> Apologies for using "base station" as a term for the dumb charger as 
> well. Panasonic just refer to it as the "charger". Actually, according 
> to the Panasonic manual, over a year there would be only 3.5kWh 
> difference in consumption between the two, so around £1 at present costs.
> 
One advantage is that its one less device that needs battery backup in 
the event of a power fail. For Panasonic handsets, you lose the voice 
announcement. Its generated in the Panasonic base station.

I have one handset paired to both the router and the DECT base station. 
Then in the event of a power cut I can swap it over.

I like the answerphone in the router. It can e-mail me the voice mails 
via GMAIL (you need an app password).

Dave

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#39611

On Mon, 25 May 2026 17:45:27 +0100, David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid>
wrote:

>On 25/05/2026 12:35, Jeff Layman wrote:
>> On 25/05/2026 10:28, Trolleybus wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 May 2026 11:30:42 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 24/05/2026 10:42, Trolleybus wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 23 May 2026 12:44:43 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since then, due to my very low volume of genuine incoming landline
>>>>>>> calls, I've binned the Siemens and all but one of the Panasonics and
>>>>>>> added a single Fritz!FON. I've configured the Fritx!Box to divert to
>>>>>>> answerphone after 10s and play the audio through the Fritz!FON, so I
>>>>>>> have call screening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My DECT 'phones let an incoming call ring for the maximum allowed, 
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> the answering machine part answers, and allows me to screen the 
>>>>>> call. I
>>>>>> see nothing wrong with your setup, but I don't see an advantage 
>>>>>> either.
>>>>>> Except probably a bigger 'Barred' number memory. I use my bedside
>>>>>> handset as an alarm clock, and if the Intruder/Fire alarm goes off, I
>>>>>> have the 'phone right there with me.
>>>>>> Horses for courses.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only advantage I'm claiming is that I no lomger need to keep a
>>>>> redundant DECT base station, nor plug anything physically into the
>>>>> router, which is in a room that doesn't need a landline phone.
>>>>
>>>> But you need a base station (even just a "dumb" one) to keep the DECT
>>>> handset charged. I haven't tried the Fritz!Box radio connection to the
>>>> DECT phone yet. I'm content with how it's working at present - the
>>>> "engaged" tone with answerphone is a minor annoyance - and CLI still
>>>> works well. I asked Zen Support if, when using the Fritz!Box in
>>>> answerphone mode, the Fon led lights up when a recorded message is left,
>>>> but haven't had a reply.
>>>
>>> Of course you don't need a base station. Just a dumb charging cradle
>>> at the point where you keep the handset. The base station
>>> functionality (i.e. what we might today call the server) is now inside
>>> the Fritz!Box.
>> 
>> Apologies for using "base station" as a term for the dumb charger as 
>> well. Panasonic just refer to it as the "charger". Actually, according 
>> to the Panasonic manual, over a year there would be only 3.5kWh 
>> difference in consumption between the two, so around £1 at present costs.
>> 
>One advantage is that its one less device that needs battery backup in 
>the event of a power fail. For Panasonic handsets, you lose the voice 
>announcement. Its generated in the Panasonic base station.
>
>I have one handset paired to both the router and the DECT base station. 
>Then in the event of a power cut I can swap it over.
>
>I like the answerphone in the router. It can e-mail me the voice mails 
>via GMAIL (you need an app password).
>
>Dave
All this fuss and discussion over what is for me about 7 spam calls a
week and 2-3 genuine calls per year.

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#39610

On Mon, 25 May 2026 12:35:10 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>On 25/05/2026 10:28, Trolleybus wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 May 2026 11:30:42 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 24/05/2026 10:42, Trolleybus wrote:
>
>> 
>> Of course you don't need a base station. Just a dumb charging cradle
>> at the point where you keep the handset. The base station
>> functionality (i.e. what we might today call the server) is now inside
>> the Fritz!Box.
>
>Apologies for using "base station" as a term for the dumb charger as 
>well. Panasonic just refer to it as the "charger". Actually, according 
>to the Panasonic manual, over a year there would be only 3.5kWh 
>difference in consumption between the two, so around £1 at present costs.

My base station was in full carrier bag #3 when I put out my light
electrical waste for collection. Tech seems to take over if you let
it. I agree with you that power consumption of modern tech is often
estimated.

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#39584

On 20/05/2026 22:27, Jeff Layman wrote:
> I've just changed from analogue (BT) to Digital Voice (Zen. I've been 
> using them as my ISP for 10 years. FTTC for the last two years). The 
> phone is a Panasonic DECT Cordless KX-TG8062E, 13 years old.
> 
> It wasn't without issue. Firstly, I hadn't noticed that the phone plug 
> to the NTE5 (431A) and that to the Fritz!Box router (RJ11-4) weren't the 
> same! At first I couldn't find the 431A - RJ11 adaptor, so used a spare 
> RJ11-4 - RJ11-4 cable I had. After rebooting the router, I soon got a 
> dialling tone on the DECT handset. As I keyed a number, I heard the 
> tones when the keys were pressed; after a few seconds I heard an engaged 
> tone. When I tried again a few minutes later the same thing happened, 
> and again with a different number. I contacted the first number with my 
> mobile without problem, and was told the phone hadn't been engaged. I 
> then called my mobile from the DECT phone. I could hear ringing tones on 
> my DECT phone, but the mobile didn't ring.
> 
> I emailed Zen, and they replied quickly that there had been "an issue 
> with the finalisation" (whatever that means). Next morning, I was able 
> to call and receive calls without problem. So the issue was resolved by 
> Zen within a few hours.
> 
> There remains a strange problem, though, when using the DECT 
> answerphone. This had always worked without problem when analogue, but I 
> tried it calling the phone from my mobile, and letting it go to 
> answerphone mode. After recording a few words, I touched "end call" on 
> the mobile. I immediately heard about a half-dozen or so "engaged" tones 
> on the mobile before the call disconnected. Even more oddly, when I 
> played back my recorded words the engaged tones had been recorded too!
> 

Widely reported problem with answerphones and the Fritz!box.


> Anyone experienced anything like this with their Digital Voice DECT 
> answerphone? The Fritz!Box does have an answerphone facility, but it's 
> more awkward to use than the DECT answerphone.

yes, i just ignored the beeps. These days I use answerphone in the 
Fritz!box and it e-mails the messages to my gmail account.

Dave

> 
> Anyway, I'm pleased that I took the decision to get Digital Voice now. I 
> wonder what will happen when the rush happens next year and there are 
> similar problems to those I had to be sorted out with a large number of 
> customers.
> 

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#39585

On Thu, 21 May 2026 19:08:33 +0100
David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:

>  Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid>
> Subject: Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues
> Date: Thu, 21 May 2026 19:08:33 +0100
> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
> Newsgroups: uk.telecom
> Organisation: A noiseless patient Spider
> 
> On 20/05/2026 22:27, Jeff Layman wrote:
> > I've just changed from analogue (BT) to Digital Voice (Zen. I've
> > been using them as my ISP for 10 years. FTTC for the last two
> > years). The phone is a Panasonic DECT Cordless KX-TG8062E, 13 years
> > old.
> > 
> > It wasn't without issue. Firstly, I hadn't noticed that the phone
> > plug to the NTE5 (431A) and that to the Fritz!Box router (RJ11-4)
> > weren't the same! At first I couldn't find the 431A - RJ11 adaptor,
> > so used a spare RJ11-4 - RJ11-4 cable I had. After rebooting the
> > router, I soon got a dialling tone on the DECT handset. As I keyed
> > a number, I heard the tones when the keys were pressed; after a few
> > seconds I heard an engaged tone. When I tried again a few minutes
> > later the same thing happened, and again with a different number. I
> > contacted the first number with my mobile without problem, and was
> > told the phone hadn't been engaged. I then called my mobile from
> > the DECT phone. I could hear ringing tones on my DECT phone, but
> > the mobile didn't ring.
> > 
> > I emailed Zen, and they replied quickly that there had been "an
> > issue with the finalisation" (whatever that means). Next morning, I
> > was able to call and receive calls without problem. So the issue
> > was resolved by Zen within a few hours.
> > 
> > There remains a strange problem, though, when using the DECT 
> > answerphone. This had always worked without problem when analogue,
> > but I tried it calling the phone from my mobile, and letting it go
> > to answerphone mode. After recording a few words, I touched "end
> > call" on the mobile. I immediately heard about a half-dozen or so
> > "engaged" tones on the mobile before the call disconnected. Even
> > more oddly, when I played back my recorded words the engaged tones
> > had been recorded too! 
> 
> Widely reported problem with answerphones and the Fritz!box.
> 

Thankfully I have never had that problem.

-- 
Davey.

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#39587

On 21/05/2026 20:04, Davey wrote:
> On Thu, 21 May 2026 19:08:33 +0100
> David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>   Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid>
>> Subject: Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues
>> Date: Thu, 21 May 2026 19:08:33 +0100
>> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
>> Newsgroups: uk.telecom
>> Organisation: A noiseless patient Spider
>>
>> On 20/05/2026 22:27, Jeff Layman wrote:
>>> I've just changed from analogue (BT) to Digital Voice (Zen. I've
>>> been using them as my ISP for 10 years. FTTC for the last two
>>> years). The phone is a Panasonic DECT Cordless KX-TG8062E, 13 years
>>> old.
>>>
>>> It wasn't without issue. Firstly, I hadn't noticed that the phone
>>> plug to the NTE5 (431A) and that to the Fritz!Box router (RJ11-4)
>>> weren't the same! At first I couldn't find the 431A - RJ11 adaptor,
>>> so used a spare RJ11-4 - RJ11-4 cable I had. After rebooting the
>>> router, I soon got a dialling tone on the DECT handset. As I keyed
>>> a number, I heard the tones when the keys were pressed; after a few
>>> seconds I heard an engaged tone. When I tried again a few minutes
>>> later the same thing happened, and again with a different number. I
>>> contacted the first number with my mobile without problem, and was
>>> told the phone hadn't been engaged. I then called my mobile from
>>> the DECT phone. I could hear ringing tones on my DECT phone, but
>>> the mobile didn't ring.
>>>
>>> I emailed Zen, and they replied quickly that there had been "an
>>> issue with the finalisation" (whatever that means). Next morning, I
>>> was able to call and receive calls without problem. So the issue
>>> was resolved by Zen within a few hours.
>>>
>>> There remains a strange problem, though, when using the DECT
>>> answerphone. This had always worked without problem when analogue,
>>> but I tried it calling the phone from my mobile, and letting it go
>>> to answerphone mode. After recording a few words, I touched "end
>>> call" on the mobile. I immediately heard about a half-dozen or so
>>> "engaged" tones on the mobile before the call disconnected. Even
>>> more oddly, when I played back my recorded words the engaged tones
>>> had been recorded too!
>>
>> Widely reported problem with answerphones and the Fritz!box.
>>
> 
> Thankfully I have never had that problem.
> 

Neither have I

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