Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richmond Newsgroups: uk.telecom Subject: Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2026 19:13:40 +0100 Organization: Frantic Message-ID: <828q7onfzf.fsf@example.com> References: <112arbi$3gli$1@dont-email.me> <112bn8j$d7sq$1@dont-email.me> <112diuj$11odt$3@dont-email.me> <112dlnk$10qmj$1@dont-email.me> <2iqm4ll5leenn3incffpg120febnmb986f@4ax.com> <82a4s4phs1.fsf@example.com> <82fr1wnpqv.fsf@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="113599"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:E5Nhvcpt55m9b7GLl0ZlVNZ1D3o= sha1:WoE+STv4lEJQeqZ94sVUcVsPHEI= X-User-ID: eJwFwQkRADAIAzBLlKdscgYH/iUsCSPY6Qx6bGyGay6As1daILplfEM24LWvzPTqnDadGX4FtBDC Xref: csiph.com uk.telecom:39647 Theo writes: > I have also reverse engineered Sky's implementation (which is standard SIP > with TR-104); I have never had a BT connection to try their version. If you had to reverse enginner it to find out what it was, doesn't that mean they have hidden an open protocol behind closed doors? > How much reverse engineering have you done? None, but that doesn't mean I am wrong necessarily. > That's a different point to using proprietary standards. I can offer an > email service use bog standard IMAP but if you don't have the password you > can't use it. BT are just not giving customers the information needed to > use their service, because they have decided not to. The original question which I was trying to answer was why would BT not use the open standards? (Andy Burns). My answer is to tie people into hardware. If they use open standards behind closed doors then that amounts to the same thing, I think. > I think for most people the position is best where the ISP is in charge of > updating their CPE. I agree. So many people struggle even to use their smartphones. They won't even be thinking about this sort of thing. It is a utility. It should just work. Unfortunately ISPs do silly things like having WPS and Universal Plug and Play switched on because they don't want the support calls when it doesn't work.