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EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force

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  EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-29 03:32 +0000
    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-28 19:43 -0800
      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2024-12-29 10:05 +0000
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2024-12-29 11:32 +0100
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Harry S Robins <stanleyrobins@nothere.uk> - 2024-12-29 09:24 -0600
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:12 -0800
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:12 -0800
    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2024-12-29 09:40 +0000
      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2024-12-29 11:24 +0000
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> - 2024-12-29 12:24 +0000
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Nick Cine <nickcine@is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 08:31 -0700
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 16:50 +0100
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-29 17:46 +0000
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:04 -0800
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 02:42 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 18:45 -0800
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-29 22:37 -0500
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 19:40 -0800
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 16:44 +0100
                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2024-12-30 15:56 +0000
                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 19:11 +0000
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:23 -0800
                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 23:17 +0100
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-31 00:58 +0000
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 11:42 +0000
                                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:17 +0100
                                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:36 +0000
                                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:18 +0100
                                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 21:15 +0000
                                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 23:00 +0100
                                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2024-12-31 22:25 +0000
                                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-01 00:16 +0100
                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 08:47 -0800
                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2024-12-30 19:25 +0000
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:49 -0800
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-31 01:05 +0000
                                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 22:34 -0800
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 04:50 +0000
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 20:58 -0800
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-12-30 18:03 +1300
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 05:06 +0000
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 22:36 -0800
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2024-12-30 10:26 +0100
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Nick Charles - 2024-12-30 17:41 -0500
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-31 01:11 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 19:33 +0000
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:51 -0800
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 15:24 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:19 -0800
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:14 -0800
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:13 -0800
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 18:21 +0000
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-12-29 10:46 -0800
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:25 +0000
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-30 12:07 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-30 12:32 +0000
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 19:17 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:24 -0800
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2024-12-30 14:39 -0500
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-30 11:48 -0800
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-31 01:17 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-31 16:03 +0000
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2025-01-01 01:20 +0000
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-12-30 06:21 -0800
    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-29 09:00 -0500
      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Jan K." <janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.com> - 2024-12-29 16:18 +0100
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-29 12:25 -0500
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-29 17:39 +0000
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:03 -0800
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:02 -0800
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-31 08:39 -0500
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 15:58 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-31 10:01 -0800
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 21:41 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2025-01-01 00:18 +0000
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 10:20 -0800
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 18:21 +0000
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-30 02:50 +0000
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-29 18:53 -0800
          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 16:36 +0100
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 12:10 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:26 +0100
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2024-12-31 14:42 +0000
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:28 +0000
                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2024-12-31 17:00 +0000
                    Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:00 +0000
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:15 +0100
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 21:19 +0000
                      Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 21:47 +0000
                        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 22:22 +0000
                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2025-01-01 01:36 +0000
                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2025-01-01 01:41 +0000
                          Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:32 +0000
                            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2025-01-02 00:18 +0000
                              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Ken <ken@birchanger.com> - 2025-01-02 09:53 +0000
                                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2025-01-02 10:34 +0000
                                  Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Ken <ken@birchanger.com> - 2025-01-04 11:18 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 21:43 +0000
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-04 14:45 +0000
            Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 15:37 +0000
              Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2025-01-01 01:47 +0000
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-31 22:55 -0800
                Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-01 12:56 -0800
        Re: EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-12-29 10:48 -0800

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#45449

FromAndrew <andys@nospam.com>
Date2024-12-30 19:11 +0000
Message-ID<vkur8v$1bb1$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to#45446
Theo wrote on 30 Dec 2024 15:56:51 +0000 (GMT) :

>> How about Linux? Just curious.
> 
> https://libimobiledevice.org/
> which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc), or ifuse
> makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be accessed from anywhere.

1. Copying photos from iOS to Windows is easy
2. Going the other way is not 

Apple murdered interoperability.

While it's trivial to copy an iOS DCIM image or video from the iOS device,
one way only, to the Windows device, where Linux excels is two way file
transfer of not only photos, but almost anything on the iOS device.

You have to know a few tricks though - but once you know them - it works.
 <https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg> Simultaneous Linux, win & iOS
 <https://i.postimg.cc/g269S8rT/files13.jpg> It's easy if you know how
 <https://i.postimg.cc/pVJf72fN/files12.jpg> iOS hacks very often will fail
 <https://i.postimg.cc/cChf8mx1/files11.jpg> idiot iOS hacks just to copy
 <https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg> Android is 2-way fast over USB
 <https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS only DCIM & only 1-way 
 <https://i.postimg.cc/3xcCBngd/files08.jpg> iOS is just a dumb brick 
 <https://i.postimg.cc/KjK4nHwf/files07.jpg> Ubuntu is two-way, everything
 <https://i.postimg.cc/Jhmy9KH7/files06.jpg> Ubuntu uses iFuse for magic
 <https://i.postimg.cc/qqg61Rh8/files05.jpg> Ubuntu, movies _to_ iOS on USB
 <https://i.postimg.cc/QMk7tvZW/files04.jpg> Ubuntu is two way, everything
 <https://i.postimg.cc/d3SGkdgr/files03.jpg> Android is two way, everything
 <https://i.postimg.cc/L8b18Zmx/files02.jpg> iOS "Files" is not useful
 <https://i.postimg.cc/NFkXsJ0X/files01.jpg> iOS/Win is 1-way & DCIM only

> (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver - I've not
> tried that)

A driver is automatically installed on Windows when you plug in an iOS
device over USB - but without adding bloatware, you can't copy TO the iOS
device.

Worse, the bloatware requires the Apple ID of every device you wish to
connect to - and each and ever iOS users' password too. 

Fancy that.
Nothing  works in the walled garden when it comes to the real world.

By way of contrast, you can connect any Android device to any Windows PC to
then copy bidirectionally to almost anywhere on that Android device.

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#45451

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-12-30 11:23 -0800
Message-ID<vkus0e$1p0i4$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45449
On 2024-12-30 11:11, Andrew wrote:
> Theo wrote on 30 Dec 2024 15:56:51 +0000 (GMT) :
> 
>>> How about Linux? Just curious.
>>
>> https://libimobiledevice.org/
>> which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc), or ifuse
>> makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be accessed from 
>> anywhere.
> 
> 1. Copying photos from iOS to Windows is easy
> 2. Going the other way is not

False.

You not knowing how to do something doesn't make it difficult.

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#45459

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2024-12-30 23:17 +0100
Message-ID<bpib4lxcj1.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#45446
On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
>>>> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>>>>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>
>> ...
>>
>>>>>
>>>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how
>>>> do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
>>>
>>> 'Import to your Windows PC
> [...]
>>>
>>> Done!
>>
>> How about Linux? Just curious.
> 
> https://libimobiledevice.org/
> which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc), or ifuse
> makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be accessed from anywhere.
> 
> (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver - I've not
> tried that)

MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works perfectly in 
Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an iPhone nor my friends, 
so I haven't tried there.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#45461

FromAndrew <andys@nospam.com>
Date2024-12-31 00:58 +0000
Message-ID<vkvfkj$rpd$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to#45459
Carlos E.R. wrote on Mon, 30 Dec 2024 23:17:47 +0100 :

>> (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver - I've not
>> tried that)
> 
> MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works perfectly in 
> Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an iPhone nor my friends, 
> so I haven't tried there.

iFuse on Linux is what does all the read/write magic of turning the entire
iOS device into, essentially, a dumb USB stick.

I wish iFuse were ported to Windows; but it's not.

Dunno why though. Would love to know why if someone here knows more than I.

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#45467

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2024-12-31 11:42 +0000
Message-ID<vl0orq.r4o.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to#45459
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
> > In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
> >>> On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
> >>>> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
> >>>>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
> >>>>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
> >>
> >> ...
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how
> >>>> do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
> >>>
> >>> 'Import to your Windows PC
> > [...]
> >>>
> >>> Done!
> >>
> >> How about Linux? Just curious.
> > 
> > https://libimobiledevice.org/
> > which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc), or ifuse
> > makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be accessed from anywhere.
> > 
> > (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver - I've not
> > tried that)
> 
> MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works perfectly in 
> Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an iPhone nor my friends, 
> so I haven't tried there.

  AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP
(Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to access
the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on Android. On
Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a phone. If Linux
can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also work on Linux.

  Note however that the PTP protocol is only for pictures ('photos'), so
videos are probably not accessible.

  BTW, AFAIK, iOS does not support/offer MTP. If it did, there would be
no problem to connect an iPhone/iPad to Windows and all this iTunes c.q.
Apple Devices app hoopla would be unneeded for a simple USB connection.
would be unneeded.

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#45470

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2024-12-31 15:17 +0100
Message-ID<h0bd4lxg3t.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#45467
On 2024-12-31 12:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
>>> In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how
>>>>>> do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Import to your Windows PC
>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> Done!
>>>>
>>>> How about Linux? Just curious.
>>>
>>> https://libimobiledevice.org/
>>> which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc), or ifuse
>>> makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be accessed from anywhere.
>>>
>>> (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver - I've not
>>> tried that)
>>
>> MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works perfectly in
>> Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an iPhone nor my friends,
>> so I haven't tried there.
> 
>    AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP
> (Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to access
> the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on Android. On
> Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a phone. If Linux
> can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also work on Linux.

AFAIK, Linux uses PTP if the phone (Android) decides to activate only PTP.


> 
>    Note however that the PTP protocol is only for pictures ('photos'), so
> videos are probably not accessible.
> 
>    BTW, AFAIK, iOS does not support/offer MTP. If it did, there would be
> no problem to connect an iPhone/iPad to Windows and all this iTunes c.q.
> Apple Devices app hoopla would be unneeded for a simple USB connection.
> would be unneeded.

Ah.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#45475

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2024-12-31 15:36 +0000
Message-ID<vl16i2.ou4.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to#45470
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-31 12:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
> >>> In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
> >>>>> On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
> >>>>>> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
> >>>>
> >>>> ...
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC. 
> >>>>>> Especially how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your
> >>>>>> Windows 10 PC
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 'Import to your Windows PC
> >>> [...]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Done!
> >>>>
> >>>> How about Linux? Just curious.
> >>>
> >>> https://libimobiledevice.org/
> >>> which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc),
> >>> or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be
> >>> accessed from anywhere.
> >>>
> >>> (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver
> >>> - I've not tried that)
> >>
> >> MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works
> >> perfectly in Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an
> >> iPhone nor my friends, so I haven't tried there.
> > 
> >    AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP
> > (Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to
> > access the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on
> > Android. On Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a
> > phone. If Linux can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also
> > work on Linux.
> 
> AFAIK, Linux uses PTP if the phone (Android) decides to activate only
> PTP.

  That means that you *could* test if an iPhone is likely to work in
PTP mode: Just connect your Android phone to your Linux system and in
the 'USB settings' of the phone select 'Transferring images' (is PTP
mode) instead of 'Transferring files / Auto Auto' (is MTP mode).

  If your Linux system can then access the photos in DCIM\Camera of the
phone, it's likely that it can also can access an iPhone as a camera.

> >    Note however that the PTP protocol is only for pictures
> > ('photos'), so videos are probably not accessible.
> > 
> >    BTW, AFAIK, iOS does not support/offer MTP. If it did, there
> > would be no problem to connect an iPhone/iPad to Windows and all
> > this iTunes c.q.  Apple Devices app hoopla would be unneeded for a
> > simple USB connection.  would be unneeded.
> 
> Ah.

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#45482

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2024-12-31 20:18 +0100
Message-ID<bksd4lxvh1.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#45475
On 2024-12-31 16:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-31 12:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
>>>>> In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.
>>>>>>>> Especially how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your
>>>>>>>> Windows 10 PC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Import to your Windows PC
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Done!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about Linux? Just curious.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://libimobiledevice.org/
>>>>> which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc),
>>>>> or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be
>>>>> accessed from anywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver
>>>>> - I've not tried that)
>>>>
>>>> MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works
>>>> perfectly in Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an
>>>> iPhone nor my friends, so I haven't tried there.
>>>
>>>     AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP
>>> (Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to
>>> access the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on
>>> Android. On Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a
>>> phone. If Linux can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also
>>> work on Linux.
>>
>> AFAIK, Linux uses PTP if the phone (Android) decides to activate only
>> PTP.
> 
>    That means that you *could* test if an iPhone is likely to work in
> PTP mode: Just connect your Android phone to your Linux system and in
> the 'USB settings' of the phone select 'Transferring images' (is PTP
> mode) instead of 'Transferring files / Auto Auto' (is MTP mode).

Oh, yes, my Android phone certainly works in this mode, but I almost 
never do.

...


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#45484

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2024-12-31 21:15 +0000
Message-ID<vl1qcr.7ro.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to#45482
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-31 16:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 2024-12-31 12:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
> >>>>> In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.
> >>>>>>>> Especially how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your
> >>>>>>>> Windows 10 PC
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 'Import to your Windows PC
> >>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Done!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How about Linux? Just curious.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://libimobiledevice.org/
> >>>>> which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc),
> >>>>> or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be
> >>>>> accessed from anywhere.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver
> >>>>> - I've not tried that)
> >>>>
> >>>> MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works
> >>>> perfectly in Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an
> >>>> iPhone nor my friends, so I haven't tried there.
> >>>
> >>>     AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP
> >>> (Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to
> >>> access the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on
> >>> Android. On Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a
> >>> phone. If Linux can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also
> >>> work on Linux.
> >>
> >> AFAIK, Linux uses PTP if the phone (Android) decides to activate only
> >> PTP.
> > 
> >    That means that you *could* test if an iPhone is likely to work in
> > PTP mode: Just connect your Android phone to your Linux system and in
> > the 'USB settings' of the phone select 'Transferring images' (is PTP
> > mode) instead of 'Transferring files / Auto Auto' (is MTP mode).
> 
> Oh, yes, my Android phone certainly works in this mode, but I almost 
> never do.

  Of course you don't use it in that mode, I don't either. It's just a
*test* to determine if an *iPhone* is likely to work in the same way.
From your positive test result, it's likely that an iPhone will work as
well.

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#45488

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2024-12-31 23:00 +0100
Message-ID<356e4lxn89.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#45484
On 2024-12-31 22:15, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-31 16:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-31 12:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
>>>>>>> In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.
>>>>>>>>>> Especially how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your
>>>>>>>>>> Windows 10 PC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'Import to your Windows PC
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Done!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How about Linux? Just curious.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://libimobiledevice.org/
>>>>>>> which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc),
>>>>>>> or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be
>>>>>>> accessed from anywhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver
>>>>>>> - I've not tried that)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works
>>>>>> perfectly in Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an
>>>>>> iPhone nor my friends, so I haven't tried there.
>>>>>
>>>>>      AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP
>>>>> (Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to
>>>>> access the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on
>>>>> Android. On Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a
>>>>> phone. If Linux can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also
>>>>> work on Linux.
>>>>
>>>> AFAIK, Linux uses PTP if the phone (Android) decides to activate only
>>>> PTP.
>>>
>>>     That means that you *could* test if an iPhone is likely to work in
>>> PTP mode: Just connect your Android phone to your Linux system and in
>>> the 'USB settings' of the phone select 'Transferring images' (is PTP
>>> mode) instead of 'Transferring files / Auto Auto' (is MTP mode).
>>
>> Oh, yes, my Android phone certainly works in this mode, but I almost
>> never do.
> 
>    Of course you don't use it in that mode, I don't either. It's just a
> *test* to determine if an *iPhone* is likely to work in the same way.
>  From your positive test result, it's likely that an iPhone will work as
> well.

I just by chance tried it minutes ago, and of course it worked.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#45490

FromDave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com>
Date2024-12-31 22:25 +0000
Message-ID<vl1r0o$2dvd7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45488
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> Wrote in message:

> On 2024-12-31 22:15, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-31 16:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-12-31 12:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
>>>>>>>> In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.
>>>>>>>>>>> Especially how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows 10 PC
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'Import to your Windows PC
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Done!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How about Linux? Just curious.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://libimobiledevice.org/
>>>>>>>> which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc),
>>>>>>>> or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be
>>>>>>>> accessed from anywhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver
>>>>>>>> - I've not tried that)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works
>>>>>>> perfectly in Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an
>>>>>>> iPhone nor my friends, so I haven't tried there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP
>>>>>> (Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to
>>>>>> access the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on
>>>>>> Android. On Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a
>>>>>> phone. If Linux can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also
>>>>>> work on Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> AFAIK, Linux uses PTP if the phone (Android) decides to activate only
>>>>> PTP.
>>>>
>>>>     That means that you *could* test if an iPhone is likely to work in
>>>> PTP mode: Just connect your Android phone to your Linux system and in
>>>> the 'USB settings' of the phone select 'Transferring images' (is PTP
>>>> mode) instead of 'Transferring files / Auto Auto' (is MTP mode).
>>>
>>> Oh, yes, my Android phone certainly works in this mode, but I almost
>>> never do.
>> 
>>    Of course you don't use it in that mode, I don't either. It's just a
>> *test* to determine if an *iPhone* is likely to work in the same way.
>>  From your positive test result, it's likely that an iPhone will work as
>> well.
> 
> I just by chance tried it minutes ago, and of course it worked.
> 

FWIW  if I connect my iPhone (8) to Linux (SuSE) it mounts DCIM 
 as a gvfs filesystem under gvfsd-fuse. In thunar it appears as a
 gphoto2: URL. So I see images and videos taken by the camera.
 Unlike with Android, that's all I can access.
-- 
Remove numerics from my email address.

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#45491

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-01-01 00:16 +0100
Message-ID<ujae4lxvsr.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#45490
On 2024-12-31 23:25, Dave Royal wrote:
> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> Wrote in message:
>> On 2024-12-31 22:15, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-31 16:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-12-31 12:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Especially how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows 10 PC
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 'Import to your Windows PC
>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Done!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How about Linux? Just curious.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://libimobiledevice.org/
>>>>>>>>> which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc),
>>>>>>>>> or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be
>>>>>>>>> accessed from anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver
>>>>>>>>> - I've not tried that)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works
>>>>>>>> perfectly in Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an
>>>>>>>> iPhone nor my friends, so I haven't tried there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP
>>>>>>> (Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to
>>>>>>> access the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on
>>>>>>> Android. On Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a
>>>>>>> phone. If Linux can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also
>>>>>>> work on Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AFAIK, Linux uses PTP if the phone (Android) decides to activate only
>>>>>> PTP.
>>>>>
>>>>>      That means that you *could* test if an iPhone is likely to work in
>>>>> PTP mode: Just connect your Android phone to your Linux system and in
>>>>> the 'USB settings' of the phone select 'Transferring images' (is PTP
>>>>> mode) instead of 'Transferring files / Auto Auto' (is MTP mode).
>>>>
>>>> Oh, yes, my Android phone certainly works in this mode, but I almost
>>>> never do.
>>>
>>>     Of course you don't use it in that mode, I don't either. It's just a
>>> *test* to determine if an *iPhone* is likely to work in the same way.
>>>   From your positive test result, it's likely that an iPhone will work as
>>> well.
>>
>> I just by chance tried it minutes ago, and of course it worked.
>>
> 
> FWIW  if I connect my iPhone (8) to Linux (SuSE) it mounts DCIM
>   as a gvfs filesystem under gvfsd-fuse. In thunar it appears as a
>   gphoto2: URL. So I see images and videos taken by the camera.
>   Unlike with Android, that's all I can access.

Ah. Thanks, that's the information that was missing.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#45447

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-12-30 08:47 -0800
Message-ID<vkuirm$1na69$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45445
On 2024-12-30 07:44, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
>>> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>>>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
> 
> ...
> 
>>>>
>>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how 
>>> do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
>>
>> 'Import to your Windows PC
>>
>> You can import photos to your PC by connecting your device to your 
>> computer and using the Apple Devices app:
>>
>> Install the Apple Devices app from the Microsoft Store.
>> Connect your iPhone or iPad to your PC with a USB cable.
>> If asked, unlock your iOS or iPadOS device using your passcode.
>> If you see a prompt on your iOS or iPadOS device asking you to Trust 
>> This Computer, tap Trust or Allow to continue.'
>>
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/120267>
>>
>> Done!
> 
> How about Linux? Just curious.
> 

I don't know about Linux, sorry.

I do computer support for a living and I've had precisely one client in 
more than 25 years of doing this who had a Linux system.

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#45453

FromDavid Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid>
Date2024-12-30 19:25 +0000
Message-ID<vkus3l$1ougu$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45447
On 30/12/2024 16:47, Alan wrote:
> I do computer support for a living and I've had precisely one client in 
> more than 25 years of doing this who had a Linux system.

So you don't serve companies that use Android phones?  You will also 
find Linux embedded in many devices, such as TV set top boxes, routers, 
industrial control systems, etc.

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#45457

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-12-30 11:49 -0800
Message-ID<vkutge$1p875$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45453
On 2024-12-30 11:25, David Woolley wrote:
> On 30/12/2024 16:47, Alan wrote:
>> I do computer support for a living and I've had precisely one client 
>> in more than 25 years of doing this who had a Linux system.
> 
> So you don't serve companies that use Android phones?  You will also 
> find Linux embedded in many devices, such as TV set top boxes, routers, 
> industrial control systems, etc.

I don't consider a device with an OS that one never interacts with 
directly to have an OS that I support.

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#45462

FromAndrew <andys@nospam.com>
Date2024-12-31 01:05 +0000
Message-ID<vkvg07$167h$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to#45453
David Woolley wrote on Mon, 30 Dec 2024 19:25:41 +0000 :

>> I do computer support for a living and I've had precisely one client in 
>> more than 25 years of doing this who had a Linux system.
> 
> So you don't serve companies that use Android phones?  You will also 
> find Linux embedded in many devices, such as TV set top boxes, routers, 
> industrial control systems, etc.

Just so you know whom you're dealing with, this Alan Baker Apple troll 
(who claims to "support" customers and yet has never even once used Windows
or Linux or Android) had insisted for weeks on end that it's physically
impossible to change any of the headers in a Usenet post - specifically he
swore over & over that it's impossible to add a spoofed news client header.

Who is *that* stupid?

He's insisted that simply by owning a BMW he knows everything about it, and
yet, he doesn't even know the difference between a bimmer & a beemer
(which, I might add, originated in the UK racing circles).

Who is *that* stupid?

Speaking of racing circles, this Alan Baker moron claims to be an expert in
racing such that he claims he "teaches" racing - and yet - he has no idea
what curves are called. To him - all curves are exactly the same in all
ways.

His IQ, if it's even 40, would be overstating his ability to think.

There's a reason he's one of fewer than ten people I've plonked in decades
on Usenet. He simply disputes everything he doesn't have any knowledge of.

Which is everything.

Just watch.

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#45465

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-12-30 22:34 -0800
Message-ID<vl0399$242k6$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45462
On 2024-12-30 17:05, Andrew wrote:
> David Woolley wrote on Mon, 30 Dec 2024 19:25:41 +0000 :
> 
>>> I do computer support for a living and I've had precisely one client 
>>> in more than 25 years of doing this who had a Linux system.
>>
>> So you don't serve companies that use Android phones?  You will also 
>> find Linux embedded in many devices, such as TV set top boxes, 
>> routers, industrial control systems, etc.
> 
> Just so you know whom you're dealing with, this Alan Baker Apple troll 
> (who claims to "support" customers and yet has never even once used Windows
> or Linux or Android) 

Why must you lie about me?

> had insisted for weeks on end that it's physically
> impossible to change any of the headers in a Usenet post - specifically he
> swore over & over that it's impossible to add a spoofed news client header.
> 
> Who is *that* stupid?
> 
> He's insisted that simply by owning a BMW he knows everything about it, and
> yet, he doesn't even know the difference between a bimmer & a beemer
> (which, I might add, originated in the UK racing circles).

I've never insisted anythign of the kind.

> 
> Who is *that* stupid?
> 
> Speaking of racing circles, this Alan Baker moron claims to be an expert in
> racing such that he claims he "teaches" racing - and yet - he has no idea
> what curves are called. To him - all curves are exactly the same in all
> ways.

1. I claim I teach racing...because I teach racing. Last year I was 
chairman of the Race Drivers Committee of the Sports Car Club of BC.

<https://web.archive.org/web/20230422005048/https://www.sccbc.net/about-sccbc/race-drivers/>

"Alan Baker" there? That's me.

'The Race Drivers Committee organizes and operates the SCCBC Race Driver 
Training Program. The driver training program is an important part of 
preparing to enter the sport of racing at Mission and is a prerequisite 
to acquiring a Novice race license. The twice annual Race Driver 
Training program provides unparalleled instruction on handling vehicles 
under extreme conditions. For more information, visit the Race Drivers 
Training Program page.

Membership on the Race Drivers Committee is by invitation only. The 
committee is comprised of some of the best racers in British Columbia. 
Most committee members have won championships in their class while 
others have done consistently well over the years and have proven 
themselves capable of excelling in all race conditions.

2. I've never claimed "all curves are exactly the same in all ways."

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#45434

FromAndrew <andys@nospam.com>
Date2024-12-30 04:50 +0000
Message-ID<vkt8rg$3el$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to#45432
knuttle wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 22:37:36 -0500 :

> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how do 
> you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC

Hi Keith,

You're responding to "Alan Baker" who is almost universally plonked by
everyone simply because his responses are merely "nope" to everything.

Even I've plonked him (along with Snit & Jeorg Lorenz), where in decades on
Usenet, my killfile still doesn't contain more than about ten posters.

This Alan Baker troll constantly claims that he, and only he, out of the
billions of people in the world, can do the impossible with iOS & Windows.

And yet, he admits to never having used a Windows PC in his entire life.
How is that?

He just makes it all up as he *hates* iOS doesn't interoperate with any
operating system, least of all Android or Windows (somewhat with Linux).

The fact is that there is no interoperability between Windows & iOS.
a. Copy any movie from any number of PCs to any number of Androids;
b. It just works.

Try that with any number of iOS devices & any number of Windows PCs:
It just does NOT work.

1. You have to add bloatware (e.g., something akin to iTunes)
2. You have to match the Apple ID and login credentials
3. Then, and only then, can you do it with *one* device & *one* PC

You have to do that with every device and every PC.
Wipe out the Apple ID. Add the next one. Wipe that out. Add another.

I have more Apple devices than most people do but even I don't claim to be
able to do the impossible (which Alan Baker always claims only he can do).

HINT: It's actually *easier* to copy movies to iOS from Linux though.
That's because Linux implements iFuse which circumvents the walled garden.

 <https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg> Simultaneous Linux, win & iOS
 <https://i.postimg.cc/g269S8rT/files13.jpg> How does macOS work with iOS?
 <https://i.postimg.cc/pVJf72fN/files12.jpg> iOS hacks very often will fail
 <https://i.postimg.cc/cChf8mx1/files11.jpg> idiot iOS hacks just to copy
 <https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg> Android is 2-way fast over USB
 <https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS only DCIM & only 1-way 
 <https://i.postimg.cc/3xcCBngd/files08.jpg> iOS is just a dumb brick 
 <https://i.postimg.cc/KjK4nHwf/files07.jpg> Ubuntu is two-way, everything
 <https://i.postimg.cc/Jhmy9KH7/files06.jpg> Ubuntu uses iFuse for magic
 <https://i.postimg.cc/qqg61Rh8/files05.jpg> Ubuntu, movies _to_ iOS on USB
 <https://i.postimg.cc/QMk7tvZW/files04.jpg> Ubuntu is two way, everything
 <https://i.postimg.cc/d3SGkdgr/files03.jpg> Android is two way, everything
 <https://i.postimg.cc/L8b18Zmx/files02.jpg> iOS "Files" is not useful
 <https://i.postimg.cc/NFkXsJ0X/files01.jpg> iOS/Win is 1-way & DCIM only

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#45435

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2024-12-29 20:58 -0800
Message-ID<vkt9a2$1fkh9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45434
On 2024-12-29 20:50, Andrew wrote:
> knuttle wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 22:37:36 -0500 :
> 
>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how 
>> do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
> 
> Hi Keith,
> 
> You're responding to "Alan Baker" who is almost universally plonked by
> everyone simply because his responses are merely "nope" to everything.
> 
> Even I've plonked him (along with Snit & Jeorg Lorenz), where in decades on
> Usenet, my killfile still doesn't contain more than about ten posters.
> 
> This Alan Baker troll constantly claims that he, and only he, out of the
> billions of people in the world, can do the impossible with iOS & Windows.
> 
> And yet, he admits to never having used a Windows PC in his entire life.
> How is that?

I've never said that.

In fact, I support Windows PCs and their users every day, and I have a 
Lenovo laptop which I access using Microsoft Remote Desktop so I can 
take advantage of my Macs far superior display and mouse tracking.

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#45436

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2024-12-30 18:03 +1300
Message-ID<vkt9ji$1fmto$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45432
On 2024-12-30 03:37:36 +0000, knuttle said:

> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
> 
>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>> 
>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any 
>>>>> 
>>>>> intention
>>>>> 
>>>>> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be
>>>> 
>>>> pretty useless if they didn't.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about iOS.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1. Plug an Android & iOS device into two USB ports on any Windows PC;
>>> 
>>>    (In fact, plug any number of them into any number of Windows PCs!)
>>> 
>>> 2. Copy a few movies from each Windows PC to each of those devices;
>>> 
>>> 3. Oh wait. You can't. Not with the Apple devices you can't.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> False.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Apple murdered interoperability.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> FACT: The iOS device does NOT interoperate with Windows.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> False.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Not interoperating the way YOU want them to is not the same thing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding 
>>> 
>>> additional
>>> 
>>> bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
>>> 
>>> tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day 
>>> 
>>> holes!)...
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> False.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> But...
>>> 
>>> You have to create an Apple ID on every single Windows PC in order to 
>>> 
>>> do it
>>> 
>>> (even with the iTunes bloatware abomination).
>>> 
>>> But wait... there's more...
>>> 
>>> That Apple ID has to *match* that of each iOS device.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Nope. False.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Fancy that.
>>> 
>>> A. You take five Android devices - they all interoperate with Windows.
>>> 
>>> B. You take five iOS devices - you need to create FIVE DIFFERENT APPLE 
>>> 
>>> IDs!
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Completely false.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The fact is clear that Apple devices do not interoperate with Windows.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> FACT:
>>> 
>>> a. Android devices easily copy movies to any Windows device, while
>>> 
>>> b. Apple devices can't copy anything to any Windows device
>>> 
>>>    (without adding matching Apple Id's & without adding bloatware)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Apple murdered interoperability.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anyone who claims otherwise knows absolutely nothing about iOS.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how do 
> 
> you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
> 

Another idiot troll for the killfile.  :-\

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