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| First post | 2016-12-23 17:22 +0000 |
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Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2016-12-23 17:22 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK "R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> - 2016-12-23 12:08 -0800
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2016-12-23 22:12 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> - 2016-12-23 22:19 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2016-12-23 22:40 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK "R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 02:50 -0800
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2016-12-24 12:37 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK "R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 03:41 -0800
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2016-12-26 14:07 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 14:29 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK "R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 07:32 -0800
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 16:04 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 16:12 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2016-12-24 21:48 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK retsuhcs@xinap.moc (Mike S.) - 2017-01-03 21:18 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 22:14 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Pete Forman <petef4+usenet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 23:20 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 10:39 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Pete Forman <petef4+usenet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 22:45 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 08:30 +0100
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-05 01:45 -0500
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 08:07 +0100
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 23:12 -0800
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-06 00:01 -0500
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 23:21 -0800
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2017-01-06 09:02 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Someone Somewhere <nntpac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 09:11 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2017-01-06 13:48 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 09:06 -0800
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 17:38 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-06 12:57 -0500
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-06 19:25 -0500
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 18:20 -0800
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-06 08:58 -0500
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-06 19:35 -0500
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-06 20:51 -0500
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 14:38 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Chronos <usenet@chronos.org.uk> - 2017-01-07 17:11 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-07 13:21 -0500
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2017-01-07 19:30 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-08 00:24 -0500
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 11:46 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK David Kennedy <davidkennedy@nospamherethankyou.invalid> - 2017-01-08 12:01 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 11:50 -0800
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK David Kennedy <davidkennedy@nospamherethankyou.invalid> - 2017-01-08 20:05 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 17:09 -0800
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2017-01-09 11:07 -0500
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 17:34 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2017-01-09 14:10 -0500
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 09:45 -0800
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 08:05 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-07 20:13 +0000
Re: Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-08 00:35 -0500
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| From | Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-23 17:22 +0000 |
| Subject | Dual SIM problem with Moto G (2nd generation) in UK |
| Message-ID | <ec54opF9p36U1@mid.individual.net> |
I have had a '3' PAYG SIM in one slot of my Moto G2 from the outset and various other SIMS in the other slot from time to time. Hitherto, [except in Australia - see below] I have had "Preferred SIM for mobile data" set to '3'. I have just acquired a PlusNet SIM which uses the EE network and have signed up for a monthly deal with inclusive minutes, texts and data - so now need to use that as the preferred SIM for mobile data. Problem is that when I select that, it kills the '3' SIM stone dead and says "Mobile network not available" when I try to use it. This seems to be related to the fact that in the Mobile Network Settings menu there is an item called "Preferred network type" for each of the SIMs. This is automatically set to 3G for the PlusNet SIM, and doesn't provide any other options. For the '3' SIM, it's set to 2G - and greyed out. I think this is the problem, because '3' SIMs won't work on 2G networks. It looks as if the phone doesn't permit both SIMs to be set to 3G at the same time. The only way I can find of getting both SIMs working at the same time is to set the Preferred SIM for mobile data back to '3' - but that's not what I want because that doesn't allow me to use the PlusNet data I've paid for. It doesn't matter which SIM is in which slot - the result is exactly the same. Has anyone come across this problem, and is there a solution? [FWIW, I was in Australia recently and used a local (Amaysim) SIM in one slot - with the '3' SIM in the other slot in order to use 'feel at home' - and the two SIMs co-existed quite happily with Amaysim being used for data - so I'm not quite sure what's different.] -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked.
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| From | "R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-23 12:08 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <fd882fce-5cc5-47d7-8411-3afb616c680d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #30585 |
On Friday, 23 December 2016 17:21:32 UTC, Roger Mills wrote: > I have had a '3' PAYG SIM in one slot of my Moto G2 from the outset and > various other SIMS in the other slot from time to time. Hitherto, > [except in Australia - see below] I have had "Preferred SIM for mobile > data" set to '3'. > > I have just acquired a PlusNet SIM which uses the EE network and have > signed up for a monthly deal with inclusive minutes, texts and data - so > now need to use that as the preferred SIM for mobile data. > > Problem is that when I select that, it kills the '3' SIM stone dead and > says "Mobile network not available" when I try to use it. > > This seems to be related to the fact that in the Mobile Network Settings > menu there is an item called "Preferred network type" for each of the > SIMs. This is automatically set to 3G for the PlusNet SIM, and doesn't > provide any other options. For the '3' SIM, it's set to 2G - and greyed > out. I think this is the problem, because '3' SIMs won't work on 2G > networks. It looks as if the phone doesn't permit both SIMs to be set to > 3G at the same time. > > The only way I can find of getting both SIMs working at the same time is > to set the Preferred SIM for mobile data back to '3' - but that's not > what I want because that doesn't allow me to use the PlusNet data I've > paid for. > > It doesn't matter which SIM is in which slot - the result is exactly the > same. > > Has anyone come across this problem, and is there a solution? > > [FWIW, I was in Australia recently and used a local (Amaysim) SIM in one > slot - with the '3' SIM in the other slot in order to use 'feel at home' > - and the two SIMs co-existed quite happily with Amaysim being used for > data - so I'm not quite sure what's different.] > -- > Cheers, > Roger > ____________ > Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom > checked. Easy - '3' SIM are 3G only and the second slot it 2G only. '3' SIM will roam onto 2G in extremis, but if you put one in a 2G phone [or in this case 2G slot] then '3' will cut you off.
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| From | Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-23 22:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ec5lnfFdpioU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #30586 |
On 23/12/2016 20:08, R. Mark Clayton wrote: > On Friday, 23 December 2016 17:21:32 UTC, Roger Mills wrote: >> I have had a '3' PAYG SIM in one slot of my Moto G2 from the outset and >> various other SIMS in the other slot from time to time. Hitherto, >> [except in Australia - see below] I have had "Preferred SIM for mobile >> data" set to '3'. >> >> I have just acquired a PlusNet SIM which uses the EE network and have >> signed up for a monthly deal with inclusive minutes, texts and data - so >> now need to use that as the preferred SIM for mobile data. >> >> Problem is that when I select that, it kills the '3' SIM stone dead and >> says "Mobile network not available" when I try to use it. >> >> This seems to be related to the fact that in the Mobile Network Settings >> menu there is an item called "Preferred network type" for each of the >> SIMs. This is automatically set to 3G for the PlusNet SIM, and doesn't >> provide any other options. For the '3' SIM, it's set to 2G - and greyed >> out. I think this is the problem, because '3' SIMs won't work on 2G >> networks. It looks as if the phone doesn't permit both SIMs to be set to >> 3G at the same time. >> >> The only way I can find of getting both SIMs working at the same time is >> to set the Preferred SIM for mobile data back to '3' - but that's not >> what I want because that doesn't allow me to use the PlusNet data I've >> paid for. >> >> It doesn't matter which SIM is in which slot - the result is exactly the >> same. >> >> Has anyone come across this problem, and is there a solution? >> >> [FWIW, I was in Australia recently and used a local (Amaysim) SIM in one >> slot - with the '3' SIM in the other slot in order to use 'feel at home' >> - and the two SIMs co-existed quite happily with Amaysim being used for >> data - so I'm not quite sure what's different.] > > Easy - '3' SIM are 3G only and the second slot it 2G only. '3' SIM will roam onto 2G in extremis, but if you put one in a 2G phone [or in this case 2G slot] then '3' will cut you off. So are you saying that there *isn't* a solution? Why did it work in Australia? Would the '3' SIM have been roaming on 2G there? Either of the slots in my phone can be 3G - but seemingly not both at the same time. Is there any fix for that? -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked.
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| From | Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-23 22:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o3k7tu$k7k$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #30588 |
Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> wrote: > > Either of the slots in my phone can be 3G - but seemingly not both at > the same time. Is there any fix for that? Two handsets. ;-) Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls
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| From | Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-23 22:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ec5nc1Fe514U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #30589 |
On 23/12/2016 22:19, Tim+ wrote: > Roger Mills<watt.tyler@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Either of the slots in my phone can be 3G - but seemingly not both at >> the same time. Is there any fix for that? > > Two handsets. ;-) > > Tim > That rather defeats the object of having a dual-SIM phone! -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked.
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| From | "R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-24 02:50 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b48e9223-f6c8-4436-935a-fe4f920e9a51@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #30588 |
On Friday, 23 December 2016 22:10:58 UTC, Roger Mills wrote: > On 23/12/2016 20:08, R. Mark Clayton wrote: SNIP > > > > > Easy - '3' SIM are 3G only and the second slot it 2G only. '3' SIM will roam onto 2G in extremis, but if you put one in a 2G phone [or in this case 2G slot] then '3' will cut you off. > > So are you saying that there *isn't* a solution? Use a second SIM on a different network, but see below. > > Why did it work in Australia? Would the '3' SIM have been roaming on 2G > there? '3' are happy for you to roam when abroad - they cream you for high roaming charges and pay relatively modest roaming charges. In the UK they have to pay the other network for access and receive little (3p/min on 321 P&G) or no revenue (contract). > > Either of the slots in my phone can be 3G - but seemingly not both at > the same time. Is there any fix for that? Find an old 2G [only] SIM for slot 1 perhaps. > -- > Cheers, > Roger > ____________ > Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom > checked.
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| From | "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-24 12:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o3lq2d$nq9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #30591 |
"R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote in message news:b48e9223-f6c8-4436-935a-fe4f920e9a51@googlegroups.com... > On Friday, 23 December 2016 22:10:58 UTC, Roger Mills wrote: >> On 23/12/2016 20:08, R. Mark Clayton wrote: > SNIP >> >> > >> > Easy - '3' SIM are 3G only and the second slot it 2G only. '3' >> > SIM will roam onto 2G in extremis, but if you put one in a 2G >> > phone [or in this case 2G slot] then '3' will cut you off. >> >> So are you saying that there *isn't* a solution? > > Use a second SIM on a different network, but see below. > >> >> Why did it work in Australia? Would the '3' SIM have been roaming >> on 2G >> there? > > '3' are happy for you to roam when abroad - they cream you for high > roaming charges and pay relatively modest roaming charges. In the > UK they have to pay the other network for access and receive little > (3p/min on 321 P&G) or no revenue (contract). > >> [snip] That doesn't make sense Mark. Australia comes under th 'Feel at Home' banner so you won't be paying roaming charges. 3p/m for PAYG in the UK is some income, but contract does have revenue as the user is paying a monthly charge. As for termination charges in the UK, they are relatively minute in the way of things and there are so many cross agreements that the overall balance is probably not far above zero. That is why the differentiation between land and mobile, and same provider or different provider mobile has essentially gone and we all pay the same rate for any UK call wherever it ends up. -- Woody harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com
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| From | "R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-26 03:41 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <0b43f568-7e78-4085-a20d-700da8c69842@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #30592 |
On Saturday, 24 December 2016 12:36:55 UTC, Woody wrote: > "R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:b48e9223-f6c8-4436-935a-fe4f920e9a51@googlegroups.com... > > On Friday, 23 December 2016 22:10:58 UTC, Roger Mills wrote: > >> On 23/12/2016 20:08, R. Mark Clayton wrote: > > SNIP > >> > >> > > >> > Easy - '3' SIM are 3G only and the second slot it 2G only. '3' > >> > SIM will roam onto 2G in extremis, but if you put one in a 2G > >> > phone [or in this case 2G slot] then '3' will cut you off. > >> > >> So are you saying that there *isn't* a solution? > > > > Use a second SIM on a different network, but see below. > > > >> > >> Why did it work in Australia? Would the '3' SIM have been roaming > >> on 2G > >> there? > > > > '3' are happy for you to roam when abroad - they cream you for high > > roaming charges and pay relatively modest roaming charges. In the > > UK they have to pay the other network for access and receive little > > (3p/min on 321 P&G) or no revenue (contract). > > > >> > [snip] > > That doesn't make sense Mark. > > Australia comes under th 'Feel at Home' banner so you won't be paying > roaming charges. I wasn't specifically referring to Australia, but AFAIK 3 don't have their own network in Oz, so you would have to roam, in which case what sort of network it is does not matter. > > 3p/m for PAYG in the UK is some income, but contract does have revenue > as the user is paying a monthly charge. As for termination charges in > the UK, they are relatively minute in the way of things and there are > so many cross agreements that the overall balance is probably not far > above zero. True > That is why the differentiation between land and mobile, > and same provider or different provider mobile has essentially gone > and we all pay the same rate for any UK call wherever it ends up. Mobile nets might not differentiate between landlines, own net and other mobiles, but landline and VOIP providers certainly do. > > > -- > Woody > > harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com
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| From | "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-26 14:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o3r83j$3c1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #30599 |
"R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote in message news:0b43f568-7e78-4085-a20d-700da8c69842@googlegroups.com... > On Saturday, 24 December 2016 12:36:55 UTC, Woody wrote: >> "R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:b48e9223-f6c8-4436-935a-fe4f920e9a51@googlegroups.com... >> > On Friday, 23 December 2016 22:10:58 UTC, Roger Mills wrote: >> >> On 23/12/2016 20:08, R. Mark Clayton wrote: >> > SNIP >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Easy - '3' SIM are 3G only and the second slot it 2G only. >> >> > '3' >> >> > SIM will roam onto 2G in extremis, but if you put one in a 2G >> >> > phone [or in this case 2G slot] then '3' will cut you off. >> >> >> >> So are you saying that there *isn't* a solution? >> > >> > Use a second SIM on a different network, but see below. >> > >> >> >> >> Why did it work in Australia? Would the '3' SIM have been >> >> roaming >> >> on 2G >> >> there? >> > >> > '3' are happy for you to roam when abroad - they cream you for >> > high >> > roaming charges and pay relatively modest roaming charges. In >> > the >> > UK they have to pay the other network for access and receive >> > little >> > (3p/min on 321 P&G) or no revenue (contract). >> > >> >> >> [snip] >> >> That doesn't make sense Mark. >> >> Australia comes under th 'Feel at Home' banner so you won't be >> paying >> roaming charges. > > I wasn't specifically referring to Australia, but AFAIK 3 don't have > their own network in Oz, so you would have to roam, in which case > what sort of network it is does not matter. If you look at http://www.three.co.uk/Discover/Phones/Feel_At_Home you will see that the land of Oz is included. -- Woody harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com
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| From | Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-26 14:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <eccnn2F2r3kU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #30601 |
On 26/12/2016 14:07, Woody wrote: > "R. Mark Clayton"<notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:0b43f568-7e78-4085-a20d-700da8c69842@googlegroups.com... >> On Saturday, 24 December 2016 12:36:55 UTC, Woody wrote: >>> "R. Mark Clayton"<notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:b48e9223-f6c8-4436-935a-fe4f920e9a51@googlegroups.com... >>>> On Friday, 23 December 2016 22:10:58 UTC, Roger Mills wrote: >>>>> On 23/12/2016 20:08, R. Mark Clayton wrote: >>>> SNIP >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Easy - '3' SIM are 3G only and the second slot it 2G only. >>>>>> '3' >>>>>> SIM will roam onto 2G in extremis, but if you put one in a 2G >>>>>> phone [or in this case 2G slot] then '3' will cut you off. >>>>> >>>>> So are you saying that there *isn't* a solution? >>>> >>>> Use a second SIM on a different network, but see below. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Why did it work in Australia? Would the '3' SIM have been >>>>> roaming >>>>> on 2G >>>>> there? >>>> >>>> '3' are happy for you to roam when abroad - they cream you for >>>> high >>>> roaming charges and pay relatively modest roaming charges. In >>>> the >>>> UK they have to pay the other network for access and receive >>>> little >>>> (3p/min on 321 P&G) or no revenue (contract). >>>> >>>>> >>> [snip] >>> >>> That doesn't make sense Mark. >>> >>> Australia comes under the 'Feel at Home' banner so you won't be >>> paying >>> roaming charges. >> >> I wasn't specifically referring to Australia, but AFAIK 3 don't have >> their own network in Oz, so you would have to roam, in which case >> what sort of network it is does not matter. > > If you look at > http://www.three.co.uk/Discover/Phones/Feel_At_Home > you will see that the land of Oz is included. > > Oz is certainly a 'feel at home' country, but AIUI that doesn't necessarily mean that '3' have their own network - but simply that they have suitable roaming agreements. I was using 'feel at home' in Oz recently and was (I think) roaming on the Telstra network. [Probably in 2G, which was why my '3' SIM could co-exist alongside another 3G SIM - whereas it can't in the UK]. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked.
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| From | "R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-26 07:32 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <04a6a0ed-621b-4ea0-b134-86ff70043b09@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #30601 |
On Monday, 26 December 2016 14:07:09 UTC, Woody wrote: > "R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:0b43f568-7e78-4085-a20d-700da8c69842@googlegroups.com... > > On Saturday, 24 December 2016 12:36:55 UTC, Woody wrote: > >> "R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote in message > >> news:b48e9223-f6c8-4436-935a-fe4f920e9a51@googlegroups.com... > >> > On Friday, 23 December 2016 22:10:58 UTC, Roger Mills wrote: > >> >> On 23/12/2016 20:08, R. Mark Clayton wrote: > >> > SNIP > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > Easy - '3' SIM are 3G only and the second slot it 2G only. > >> >> > '3' > >> >> > SIM will roam onto 2G in extremis, but if you put one in a 2G > >> >> > phone [or in this case 2G slot] then '3' will cut you off. > >> >> > >> >> So are you saying that there *isn't* a solution? > >> > > >> > Use a second SIM on a different network, but see below. > >> > > >> >> > >> >> Why did it work in Australia? Would the '3' SIM have been > >> >> roaming > >> >> on 2G > >> >> there? > >> > > >> > '3' are happy for you to roam when abroad - they cream you for > >> > high > >> > roaming charges and pay relatively modest roaming charges. In > >> > the > >> > UK they have to pay the other network for access and receive > >> > little > >> > (3p/min on 321 P&G) or no revenue (contract). > >> > > >> >> > >> [snip] > >> > >> That doesn't make sense Mark. > >> > >> Australia comes under th 'Feel at Home' banner so you won't be > >> paying > >> roaming charges. > > > > I wasn't specifically referring to Australia, but AFAIK 3 don't have > > their own network in Oz, so you would have to roam, in which case > > what sort of network it is does not matter. > > If you look at > http://www.three.co.uk/Discover/Phones/Feel_At_Home > you will see that the land of Oz is included. > That's not the point - you will be roaming on another SP's network. And before you go do check the tariff - at £1.40p per minute (£84 per hour) to call a 'local' Oz number, you are most definitely getting creamed for calls within Oz. This is more than it cost to direct dial Australia from the UK forty years ago! Now it costs me 1.5p to a landline and 18p to a mobile + VAT. > > -- > Woody > > harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com
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| From | Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-26 16:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ecct8qF446gU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #30603 |
On 26/12/2016 15:32, R. Mark Clayton wrote: > On Monday, 26 December 2016 14:07:09 UTC, Woody wrote: >> "R. Mark Clayton"<notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:0b43f568-7e78-4085-a20d-700da8c69842@googlegroups.com... >>> On Saturday, 24 December 2016 12:36:55 UTC, Woody wrote: >>>> "R. Mark Clayton"<notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:b48e9223-f6c8-4436-935a-fe4f920e9a51@googlegroups.com... >>>>> On Friday, 23 December 2016 22:10:58 UTC, Roger Mills wrote: >>>>>> On 23/12/2016 20:08, R. Mark Clayton wrote: >>>>> SNIP >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Easy - '3' SIM are 3G only and the second slot it 2G only. >>>>>>> '3' >>>>>>> SIM will roam onto 2G in extremis, but if you put one in a 2G >>>>>>> phone [or in this case 2G slot] then '3' will cut you off. >>>>>> >>>>>> So are you saying that there *isn't* a solution? >>>>> >>>>> Use a second SIM on a different network, but see below. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Why did it work in Australia? Would the '3' SIM have been >>>>>> roaming >>>>>> on 2G >>>>>> there? >>>>> >>>>> '3' are happy for you to roam when abroad - they cream you for >>>>> high >>>>> roaming charges and pay relatively modest roaming charges. In >>>>> the >>>>> UK they have to pay the other network for access and receive >>>>> little >>>>> (3p/min on 321 P&G) or no revenue (contract). >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> [snip] >>>> >>>> That doesn't make sense Mark. >>>> >>>> Australia comes under th 'Feel at Home' banner so you won't be >>>> paying >>>> roaming charges. >>> >>> I wasn't specifically referring to Australia, but AFAIK 3 don't have >>> their own network in Oz, so you would have to roam, in which case >>> what sort of network it is does not matter. >> >> If you look at >> http://www.three.co.uk/Discover/Phones/Feel_At_Home >> you will see that the land of Oz is included. >> > > That's not the point - you will be roaming on another SP's network. > > And before you go do check the tariff - at £1.40p per minute (£84 per hour) to call a 'local' Oz number, you are most definitely getting creamed for calls within Oz. This is more than it cost to direct dial Australia from the UK forty years ago! Now it costs me 1.5p to a landline and 18p to a mobile + VAT. > > Yes indeed. That's why I used a local SIM for calls within Australia and only used 'feel at home' for calls back to the UK. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked.
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| From | Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-24 16:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ec7l07Frqg2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #30591 |
On 24/12/2016 10:50, R. Mark Clayton wrote: > On Friday, 23 December 2016 22:10:58 UTC, Roger Mills wrote: >> On 23/12/2016 20:08, R. Mark Clayton wrote: > SNIP >> >>> >>> Easy - '3' SIM are 3G only and the second slot it 2G only. '3' SIM will roam onto 2G in extremis, but if you put one in a 2G phone [or in this case 2G slot] then '3' will cut you off. >> >> So are you saying that there *isn't* a solution? > > Use a second SIM on a different network, but see below. > >> >> Why did it work in Australia? Would the '3' SIM have been roaming on 2G >> there? > > '3' are happy for you to roam when abroad - they cream you for high roaming charges and pay relatively modest roaming charges. In the UK they have to pay the other network for access and receive little (3p/min on 321 P&G) or no revenue (contract). > >> >> Either of the slots in my phone can be 3G - but seemingly not both at >> the same time. Is there any fix for that? > > Find an old 2G [only] SIM for slot 1 perhaps. > Well yes, I can do that - but it's not a solution to the problem of wanting to use a PlusNet SIM in one slot and a '3' SIM in the other - both of which require 3G. The solution I'm using at the moment is to resurrect my old '3' S2 Skypephone and put the '3' SIM back in that. That means using two handsets rather than one, which isn't very satisfactory - quite apart from the fact that the S2 isn't smart (and no longer supports Skype for that matter) but I can at least receive calls and texts on it. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked.
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| From | Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-12-24 21:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <Iom*lT7fw@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #30593 |
Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> wrote: > Well yes, I can do that - but it's not a solution to the problem of > wanting to use a PlusNet SIM in one slot and a '3' SIM in the other - > both of which require 3G. See the thread 'Dual SIM Android phones' from October. Basically all dual SIM phones have this limitation to some degree. The best case are some of those intended for the Chinese market which have FDD-LTE (aka our LTE) on one SIM and WCDMA (our 3G) on the other. But they're hard to find, menus are in Chinese and likely they're limited by bands (you get LTE but most of the supported bands are the ones used in China, so LTE coverage in Europe will be patchy with the limited common bands) > The solution I'm using at the moment is to resurrect my old '3' S2 > Skypephone and put the '3' SIM back in that. That means using two > handsets rather than one, which isn't very satisfactory - quite apart > from the fact that the S2 isn't smart (and no longer supports Skype for > that matter) but I can at least receive calls and texts on it. The other alternative is to pick another network that supports 2G. Theo
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| From | retsuhcs@xinap.moc (Mike S.) |
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| Date | 2017-01-03 21:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o4h4fo$pho$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #30585 |
In article <ec54opF9p36U1@mid.individual.net>, Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> wrote: > >This seems to be related to the fact that in the Mobile Network Settings >menu there is an item called "Preferred network type" for each of the >SIMs. This is automatically set to 3G for the PlusNet SIM, and doesn't >provide any other options. For the '3' SIM, it's set to 2G - and greyed >out. I think this is the problem, because '3' SIMs won't work on 2G >networks. It looks as if the phone doesn't permit both SIMs to be set to >3G at the same time. You've nailed it. Most Chinese-designed dual-SIM phones use the same chipset and firmware arrangement, and that usually allows only a single 3G SIM to be active (often restricted to Slot 1). I am not aware of any way around this as it's built into the hardware.
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| From | Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-03 22:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ed2ltcFc9beU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #30619 |
On 03/01/2017 21:18, Mike S. wrote: > In article<ec54opF9p36U1@mid.individual.net>, > Roger Mills<watt.tyler@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> This seems to be related to the fact that in the Mobile Network Settings >> menu there is an item called "Preferred network type" for each of the >> SIMs. This is automatically set to 3G for the PlusNet SIM, and doesn't >> provide any other options. For the '3' SIM, it's set to 2G - and greyed >> out. I think this is the problem, because '3' SIMs won't work on 2G >> networks. It looks as if the phone doesn't permit both SIMs to be set to >> 3G at the same time. > > You've nailed it. Most Chinese-designed dual-SIM phones use the same > chipset and firmware arrangement, and that usually allows only a single 3G > SIM to be active (often restricted to Slot 1). I am not aware of any way > around this as it's built into the hardware. > > Yes, that sounds about right! In my case it isn't limited to Slot 1 - but that doesn't solve anything. It gives 3G to whichever SIM is selected for mobile data and 2G to the other one. So, if I want to use anything other than the '3' SIM for mobile data - which I do - I'm stuffed! -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked.
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| From | Pete Forman <petef4+usenet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-03 23:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m160lv688s.fsf@iKarel.lan> |
| In reply to | #30621 |
Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> writes: > On 03/01/2017 21:18, Mike S. wrote: >> In article<ec54opF9p36U1@mid.individual.net>, >> Roger Mills<watt.tyler@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> This seems to be related to the fact that in the Mobile Network >>> Settings menu there is an item called "Preferred network type" for >>> each of the SIMs. This is automatically set to 3G for the PlusNet >>> SIM, and doesn't provide any other options. For the '3' SIM, it's >>> set to 2G - and greyed out. I think this is the problem, because '3' >>> SIMs won't work on 2G networks. It looks as if the phone doesn't >>> permit both SIMs to be set to 3G at the same time. >> >> You've nailed it. Most Chinese-designed dual-SIM phones use the same >> chipset and firmware arrangement, and that usually allows only a >> single 3G SIM to be active (often restricted to Slot 1). I am not >> aware of any way around this as it's built into the hardware. > > Yes, that sounds about right! In my case it isn't limited to Slot 1 - > but that doesn't solve anything. It gives 3G to whichever SIM is > selected for mobile data and 2G to the other one. So, if I want to use > anything other than the '3' SIM for mobile data - which I do - I'm > stuffed! I have a Moto G 2nd gen (XT1068) also. SIM 1 is FreedomPop (3 network) as that is the only slot they support. I only use that for data at the moment. SIM 2 is Talkmobile which I use for voice and SMS, presumably that uses 2G only. -- Pete Forman https://payg-petef.rhcloud.com
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| From | Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-04 10:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ed41jeFm1ocU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #30622 |
On 03/01/2017 23:20, Pete Forman wrote: > Roger Mills<watt.tyler@gmail.com> writes: > >> On 03/01/2017 21:18, Mike S. wrote: >>> In article<ec54opF9p36U1@mid.individual.net>, >>> Roger Mills<watt.tyler@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> This seems to be related to the fact that in the Mobile Network >>>> Settings menu there is an item called "Preferred network type" for >>>> each of the SIMs. This is automatically set to 3G for the PlusNet >>>> SIM, and doesn't provide any other options. For the '3' SIM, it's >>>> set to 2G - and greyed out. I think this is the problem, because '3' >>>> SIMs won't work on 2G networks. It looks as if the phone doesn't >>>> permit both SIMs to be set to 3G at the same time. >>> >>> You've nailed it. Most Chinese-designed dual-SIM phones use the same >>> chipset and firmware arrangement, and that usually allows only a >>> single 3G SIM to be active (often restricted to Slot 1). I am not >>> aware of any way around this as it's built into the hardware. >> >> Yes, that sounds about right! In my case it isn't limited to Slot 1 - >> but that doesn't solve anything. It gives 3G to whichever SIM is >> selected for mobile data and 2G to the other one. So, if I want to use >> anything other than the '3' SIM for mobile data - which I do - I'm >> stuffed! > > I have a Moto G 2nd gen (XT1068) also. SIM 1 is FreedomPop (3 network) > as that is the only slot they support. I only use that for data at the > moment. SIM 2 is Talkmobile which I use for voice and SMS, presumably > that uses 2G only. > Yes, Talkmobile will be using 2G. I'm not sure what you mean by "that is the only slot they support". I think you'll find that if you swap the SIMs, FreedomPop will work ok on 3G in slot 2 and Talkmobile will use 2G in slot 1. That is, unless FreedomPop behaves differently from other '3' SIMs. I have the same phone, and I can use a 3G SIM in either slot - but *not* two at the same time. As i said earlier, 3G is allocated to whichever SIM is selected for mobile data, regardless of which slot it occupies. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked.
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| From | Pete Forman <petef4+usenet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-04 22:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m11swi5tsf.fsf@iKarel.lan> |
| In reply to | #30626 |
Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> writes: > On 03/01/2017 23:20, Pete Forman wrote: >> Roger Mills<watt.tyler@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> On 03/01/2017 21:18, Mike S. wrote: >>>> In article<ec54opF9p36U1@mid.individual.net>, >>>> Roger Mills<watt.tyler@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This seems to be related to the fact that in the Mobile Network >>>>> Settings menu there is an item called "Preferred network type" for >>>>> each of the SIMs. This is automatically set to 3G for the PlusNet >>>>> SIM, and doesn't provide any other options. For the '3' SIM, it's >>>>> set to 2G - and greyed out. I think this is the problem, because '3' >>>>> SIMs won't work on 2G networks. It looks as if the phone doesn't >>>>> permit both SIMs to be set to 3G at the same time. >>>> >>>> You've nailed it. Most Chinese-designed dual-SIM phones use the same >>>> chipset and firmware arrangement, and that usually allows only a >>>> single 3G SIM to be active (often restricted to Slot 1). I am not >>>> aware of any way around this as it's built into the hardware. >>> >>> Yes, that sounds about right! In my case it isn't limited to Slot 1 - >>> but that doesn't solve anything. It gives 3G to whichever SIM is >>> selected for mobile data and 2G to the other one. So, if I want to use >>> anything other than the '3' SIM for mobile data - which I do - I'm >>> stuffed! >> >> I have a Moto G 2nd gen (XT1068) also. SIM 1 is FreedomPop (3 network) >> as that is the only slot they support. I only use that for data at the >> moment. SIM 2 is Talkmobile which I use for voice and SMS, presumably >> that uses 2G only. >> > > Yes, Talkmobile will be using 2G. > > I'm not sure what you mean by "that is the only slot they support". I > think you'll find that if you swap the SIMs, FreedomPop will work ok > on 3G in slot 2 and Talkmobile will use 2G in slot 1. That is, unless > FreedomPop behaves differently from other '3' SIMs. > > I have the same phone, and I can use a 3G SIM in either slot - but > *not* two at the same time. As i said earlier, 3G is allocated to > whichever SIM is selected for mobile data, regardless of which slot it > occupies. When I first got the FreedomPop SIM I tried to use it in slot 2 but that did not work. I don't remember exactly what was happening but I think there was a FAQ or somesuch which said to use slot 1. That might have been a limitation of the accompanying app. There are times when I cannot get reception on Talkmobile, which is my primary contact number. In that situation I disable slot 1 to get TM working. I presume that is because a 2G signal is not available and switching off FP opens up TM to 3G. -- Pete Forman https://payg-petef.rhcloud.com
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| From | Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-04 08:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <o4i887$o6n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #30619 |
Dne 03/01/2017 v 22:18 Mike S. napsal(a): > You've nailed it. Most Chinese-designed dual-SIM phones use the same > chipset and firmware arrangement, and that usually allows only a single 3G > SIM to be active (often restricted to Slot 1). I am not aware of any way > around this as it's built into the hardware. > Not only Chinese. For SONY Xperia M dual it is the same. The other is just 2G. -- Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer ) A wise man guards words he says, as they say about him more, than he says about the subject.
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