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  Green? JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-09-04 08:24 +0100
    Re: Green? Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2026-09-04 08:09 +0000
      Re: Green? Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-04 10:52 +0100
      Re: Green? JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-09-04 11:32 +0100
    Re: Green? Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2026-09-04 10:30 +0100
      Re: Green? JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-09-04 11:31 +0100
        Re: Green? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-09-04 12:18 +0100
          Re: Green? JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-09-04 23:09 +0100
            Re: Green? alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-05 10:00 +0100
          Re: Green? Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-05 07:50 +0100
        Re: Green? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-05 09:37 +0100
          Re: Green? JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-09-05 20:55 +0100
            Re: Green? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-08 13:51 +0100
              Re: Green? Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2026-09-08 14:22 +0100
                Re: Green? Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2026-09-08 15:00 +0100
                  Re: Green? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-08 19:12 +0100
        Re: Green? alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-05 09:57 +0100
      Re: Green? Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-04 11:46 +0100
        Re: Green? alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-05 10:02 +0100
      Re: Green? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-09-04 12:11 +0100
        Re: Green? Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2026-09-04 13:26 +0100
        Re: Green? JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-09-04 23:06 +0100
          Re: Green? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-09-05 00:02 +0100
            Re: Green? Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2026-09-05 06:15 +0000
              Re: Green? JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-09-05 08:15 +0100
              Re: Green? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-09-05 09:19 +0100
            Re: Green? alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-05 10:12 +0100
            Re: Green? John Hall <john@jhall.co.uk> - 2026-09-06 20:40 +0100
              Re: Green? Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-07 09:00 +0100
                Re: Green? Dave W <davewi11@yahoo.co.uk> - 2026-09-07 12:12 +0100
                  Re: Green? Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-08 08:54 +0100
                    Re: Green? Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> - 2026-09-08 09:04 +0100
                      Re: Green? Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 08:13 +0000
                        Re: Green? JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-09-08 10:10 +0100
                        Re: Green? NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-13 21:28 +0100
                          Re: Green? Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> - 2026-09-14 09:46 +0100
                            Re: Green? Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2026-09-14 10:19 +0100
                              Re: Green? Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2026-09-14 11:02 +0100
                              Re: Green? Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2026-09-14 19:07 +0100
                                Re: Green? Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2026-09-14 21:54 +0100
                                  Re: Green? Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 05:34 +0000
                                    Re: Green? Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 09:38 +0100
                                      Re: Green? Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 08:48 +0000
                                      Re: Green? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-15 09:54 +0100
                                    Re: Green? Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2026-09-15 09:37 +0100
                                      Re: Green? Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 09:02 +0000
                                  Re: Green? Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2026-09-15 09:27 +0100
                                    Re: Green? Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2026-09-15 10:36 +0100
                                      Re: Green? Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2026-09-15 11:03 +0100
                                        Re: Green? Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2026-09-15 11:28 +0100
                    Re: Green? JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-09-08 10:02 +0100
                      Re: Green? Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-08 20:14 +0100
                        Re: Green? Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> - 2026-09-12 00:33 +0100
                    Re: Green? Paul Ratcliffe <abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> - 2026-09-18 11:29 +0000
                Re: Green? John Hall <john@jhall.co.uk> - 2026-09-08 18:47 +0100
          Re: Green? alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-05 10:05 +0100
            Re: Green? Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-05 11:21 +0100
      Re: Green? Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2026-09-04 12:12 +0100
        Re: Green? Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-09-04 18:31 +0100
      Re: Green? Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> - 2026-09-08 18:48 +0100

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#249753 — Green?

I just came across the 'handbook' on a Philips monitor that got some 
years go.

They have managed to produce 58 page booklet which has every language 
that I can think of (except perhaps Klingon).

All it tells you is how to change the batteries in the remote control 
and a couple of very obvious warnings which I doubt that many read.

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#249754

JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
> I just came across the 'handbook' on a Philips monitor that got some 
> years go.
> 
> They have managed to produce 58 page booklet which has every language 
> that I can think of (except perhaps Klingon).
> 
> All it tells you is how to change the batteries in the remote control 
> and a couple of very obvious warnings which I doubt that many read.
> 
The safety warnings are to assist in not ending up in court. 

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#249756

On Fri, 4 Sep 2026 08:09:32 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>> I just came across the 'handbook' on a Philips monitor that got some 
>> years go.
>> 
>> They have managed to produce 58 page booklet which has every language 
>> that I can think of (except perhaps Klingon).
>> 
>> All it tells you is how to change the batteries in the remote control 
>> and a couple of very obvious warnings which I doubt that many read.
>> 
>The safety warnings are to assist in not ending up in court. 

My favourite was a few years ago with a digital camera that came with
a software disk. The warning was not to place the disk in audio
equipment then listen at high volume using headphones as this could
damage your hearing.  

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#249758

On 04/09/2026 09:09, Tweed wrote:
> The safety warnings are to assist in not ending up in court.


The safety warnings are minimal, basically 'don't eat the batteries'.

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#249755

In article <117drmq$do1v$1@dont-email.me>,
   JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

> All it tells you is how to change the batteries in the remote
> control and a couple of very obvious warnings which I doubt that
> many read.

I was reading somewhere the other day that in the 1960s and 70s car
handbooks that came with the car, told how to gap the plugs, set the
points and even adjust the tappets. Now they tell you not to drink
the battery acid.

Bob.

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#249757

On 04/09/2026 10:30, Bob Latham wrote:
> I was reading somewhere the other day that in the 1960s and 70s car
> handbooks that came with the car, told how to gap the plugs, set the
> points and even adjust the tappets. Now they tell you not to drink
> the battery acid.



My new VW does not come with a handbook just a 'digital handbook' 
online.  You can access it on the screen in the car I think and you can 
download (when you find it) but it is not particularly printer friendly 
as well as many hundreds of pages and no page numbers.

Also VW are hopeless at writing handbooks.

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#249762

On 04/09/2026 11:31, JMB99 wrote:
> On 04/09/2026 10:30, Bob Latham wrote:
>> I was reading somewhere the other day that in the 1960s and 70s car
>> handbooks that came with the car, told how to gap the plugs, set the
>> points and even adjust the tappets. Now they tell you not to drink
>> the battery acid.
> 
> 
> 
> My new VW does not come with a handbook just a 'digital handbook' 
> online.  You can access it on the screen in the car I think and you can 
> download (when you find it) but it is not particularly printer friendly 
> as well as many hundreds of pages and no page numbers.
> 

Thats a bit odd. Just picked up a newish ID.4 and it has a paper manual 
but I see on checking these are not available for all cars.

You can find the on-line manual here :-

https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/owners-and-services/my-car/manuals.html

but you can only view online. It does not appear to be available as a 
PDF download.


> Also VW are hopeless at writing handbooks.
> 
> 
I think they are all written by lawyers. My old Merc one had warnings on 
every page that pretty much said "Do this and you may crash the car"

Dave

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#249766

On 04/09/2026 12:18, David Wade wrote:
> Thats a bit odd. Just picked up a newish ID.4 and it has a paper manual 
> but I see on checking these are not available for all cars.


The TROC has a booklet of a few dozen pages with very little useful 
information in it.

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#249774

On 04/09/2026 23:09, JMB99 wrote:
> On 04/09/2026 12:18, David Wade wrote:
>> Thats a bit odd. Just picked up a newish ID.4 and it has a paper 
>> manual but I see on checking these are not available for all cars.
> 
> 
> The TROC has a booklet of a few dozen pages with very little useful 
> information in it.
> 
> 

I've purchased small items where the only paper documentation in the box 
has been how NOT to use it (arse covering warnings) and the instruction 
manual has to be downloaded.

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#249769

On 04/09/2026 12:18, David Wade wrote:
> On 04/09/2026 11:31, JMB99 wrote:
>> On 04/09/2026 10:30, Bob Latham wrote:
>>> I was reading somewhere the other day that in the 1960s and 70s car
>>> handbooks that came with the car, told how to gap the plugs, set the
>>> points and even adjust the tappets. Now they tell you not to drink
>>> the battery acid.
>>
>>
>>
>> My new VW does not come with a handbook just a 'digital handbook'
>> online.  You can access it on the screen in the car I think and you can
>> download (when you find it) but it is not particularly printer friendly
>> as well as many hundreds of pages and no page numbers.
>>
> 
> Thats a bit odd. Just picked up a newish ID.4 and it has a paper manual
> but I see on checking these are not available for all cars.
> 
> You can find the on-line manual here :-
> 
> https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/owners-and-services/my-car/manuals.html
> 
> but you can only view online. It does not appear to be available as a
> PDF download.
> 
> 
>> Also VW are hopeless at writing handbooks.
>>
>>
> I think they are all written by lawyers. My old Merc one had warnings on
> every page that pretty much said "Do this and you may crash the car"

I think that translation can be a problem, and sometimes a wish to have 
a unique name for something that the manufacturer thinks is special.

When I bought my Mk3 Honda Jazz almost 10 years ago I was surprised that 
it came with only a 600+ page paper manual. No online or pdf version was 
available, at least not for the UK. I found a pdf in the USA for the 
"Honda Fit" (strange name for a car!) and downloaded it. Quite a bit was 
the same, but there were many differences too.

One particular problem was trying to find things that Honda gave daft 
names to, so how they worked could be checked, and any adjustments made. 
They had an automatic brake come into operation if you got too close to 
anything in front with a small speed difference. This they called 
"City-Brake Active system". Why, as it still works outside the city? The 
abbreviation they used for this was CTBA, not CBAS. Again, why? It took 
me quite a time to find this in the paper manual index, as I was looking 
under "Brake". There wasn't even an entry which said "Also see 
City-Brake Active system".

No, manuals leave a lot to be desired, especially as cars are getting 
extremely complex these days.

-- 
Jeff

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#249772

JMB99 wrote:

> Bob Latham wrote:
>
> My new VW does not come with a handbook just a 'digital handbook' 
> online.  You can access it on the screen in the car I think and you can 
> download (when you find it) but it is not particularly printer friendly 
> as well as many hundreds of pages and no page numbers.
> 
> Also VW are hopeless at writing handbooks.

Not as bad as Toyota ... showing LHD control placement in manuals for 
RHD cars (and don't forget Japan *is* an RHD country).

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#249779

On 05/09/2026 09:37, Andy Burns wrote:
> Not as bad as Toyota ... showing LHD control placement in manuals for 
> RHD cars (and don't forget Japan *is* an RHD country).


It is often obvious that no one has ever checked the handbook against 
what is in the car.

My old TROC instructions had something like ..... then turn ON but there 
is no switch marked ON.

I am still trying to work out the logic behind the new one's speed limiter.

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#249788

JMB99 wrote:

> I am still trying to work out the logic behind the new one's speed 
limiter.

Several times I have struggled to get the various speed limiter/cruise 
control/radar cruise modes to engage.  Sometimes it flashes-up a 
paragraph of tiny text on the dash as an explanation ... as if I'm going 
to take my eyes off the road to read that ...

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#249789

On 2026-09-08 13:51, Andy Burns wrote:
> JMB99 wrote:
> 
>> I am still trying to work out the logic behind the new one's speed 
> limiter.
> 
> Several times I have struggled to get the various speed limiter/cruise 
> control/radar cruise modes to engage.  Sometimes it flashes-up a 
> paragraph of tiny text on the dash as an explanation ... as if I'm going 
> to take my eyes off the road to read that ...

Well ... that would have a higher than average chance of limiting your 
speed! :-)

-- 

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I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: 
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#249790

On Tue, 8 Sep 2026 14:22:58 +0100
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:

> On 2026-09-08 13:51, Andy Burns wrote:
> > JMB99 wrote:
> >   
> >> I am still trying to work out the logic behind the new one's speed
> >>   
> > limiter.
> > 
> > Several times I have struggled to get the various speed
> > limiter/cruise control/radar cruise modes to engage.  Sometimes it
> > flashes-up a paragraph of tiny text on the dash as an explanation
> > ... as if I'm going to take my eyes off the road to read that ...  
> 
> Well ... that would have a higher than average chance of limiting
> your speed! :-)
> 

Maybe it thinks you have a helmet with onboard graphics. Have you tried
shouting at it? Even if it doesn't work, it might make you feel better.

-- 
Davey.

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#249793

Davey wrote:

> Java Jive wrote:
> 
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>> >>> Sometimes it flashes-up a paragraph of tiny text on the dash as an
>>> explanation ... as if I'm going to take my eyes off the road to
>>> read that ...
>>
>> Well ... that would have a higher than average chance of limiting
>> your speed! :-)
> 
> Maybe it thinks you have a helmet with onboard graphics.

It does have a HUD, which I find a convenient form of display for 
keeping your eyes *on* the road, I had to get some non-polarised 
sunglasses to see it.

> Have you tried shouting at it? Even if it doesn't work, it might make
> you feel better.

For all its modern annoyances, I don't think I've shouted at it yet ...

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#249773

On 04/09/2026 11:31, JMB99 wrote:
> On 04/09/2026 10:30, Bob Latham wrote:
>> I was reading somewhere the other day that in the 1960s and 70s car
>> handbooks that came with the car, told how to gap the plugs, set the
>> points and even adjust the tappets. Now they tell you not to drink
>> the battery acid.
> 
> 
> 
> My new VW does not come with a handbook just a 'digital handbook' 
> online.  You can access it on the screen in the car I think and you can 
> download (when you find it) but it is not particularly printer friendly 
> as well as many hundreds of pages and no page numbers.
> 
> Also VW are hopeless at writing handbooks.
> 
> 

+1 with digital online handbooks, especially the ones that come without 
an index, no search facility and are not one complete document but a 
hundred separate web pages with only links for next and back.

-- 
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#249759

On 04/09/2026 10:30, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <117drmq$do1v$1@dont-email.me>,
>     JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
> 
>> All it tells you is how to change the batteries in the remote
>> control and a couple of very obvious warnings which I doubt that
>> many read.
> 
> I was reading somewhere the other day that in the 1960s and 70s car
> handbooks that came with the car, told how to gap the plugs, set the
> points and even adjust the tappets. Now they tell you not to drink
> the battery acid.

"Re-assemble in reverse order."

-- 
Max Demian

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#249775

On 04/09/2026 11:46, Max Demian wrote:
> On 04/09/2026 10:30, Bob Latham wrote:
>> In article <117drmq$do1v$1@dont-email.me>,
>>     JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>> All it tells you is how to change the batteries in the remote
>>> control and a couple of very obvious warnings which I doubt that
>>> many read.
>>
>> I was reading somewhere the other day that in the 1960s and 70s car
>> handbooks that came with the car, told how to gap the plugs, set the
>> points and even adjust the tappets. Now they tell you not to drink
>> the battery acid.
> 
> "Re-assemble in reverse order."
> 

Any tool is a hammer :)

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#249760

On 04/09/2026 10:30, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <117drmq$do1v$1@dont-email.me>,
>     JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
> 
>> All it tells you is how to change the batteries in the remote
>> control and a couple of very obvious warnings which I doubt that
>> many read.
> 
> I was reading somewhere the other day that in the 1960s and 70s car
> handbooks that came with the car, told how to gap the plugs, set the
> points and even adjust the tappets. Now they tell you not to drink
> the battery acid.

Why would a modern car manual contain such outdated info. Modern cars 
are pretty much maintenance free.  You needed to set the tappets often, 
they wore. Modern cars have hydraulic tappets that don't need setting. 
Plug gaps don't change and the have electronic ignition so no points or 
timing.

I checked my Tiguan manual. It does have warnings about battery acid, 
but they precede the instructions on how to check the acid level, and 
seem quite sensible given that in the UK most will not have not come 
into contact with battery acid before. It says:-

"Battery acid is caustic. Contact with battery acid – especially if 
swallowed – can cause severe burns."

so it doesn't say "don't drink the acid" but "if you do drink the acid, 
it will burn" which seems useful and necessary info given an American 
lady sued a microwave manufacturer after trying to use it to dry her cat.

It also has info on other things that need doing on a modern car such as 
downloading and installing map and software updates for the SatNav, 
Entertainment System and Operating Firmware.

The world has moved on...

> 
> Bob.
> 

Dave

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