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| Started by | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| First post | 2026-09-26 19:08 +0100 |
| Last post | 2026-09-27 13:12 +0200 |
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Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:08 +0100
Re: OT - TV Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:58 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:30 +0100
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-27 09:39 +0100
Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-09-28 08:08 +0100
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:10 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:03 +0100
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:20 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-28 15:45 +0000
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:30 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:46 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:25 +0100
Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 16:40 +0100
OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 16:58 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:57 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:00 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) André Coutanche <acoutanche@gmx.co.uk> - 2026-09-29 21:50 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:33 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 22:48 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:07 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 15:51 -0700
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 10:57 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 08:10 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:39 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-30 00:46 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:39 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:25 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:34 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:31 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 14:47 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:58 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:36 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:12 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:35 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 16:14 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:35 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:53 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 19:03 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 21:50 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:25 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer marika <marika5000@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 00:03 +0000
Song of the Track/Ceol na Loidhne JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-09 15:27 +0100
Re: Song of the Track/Ceol na Loidhne Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> - 2026-10-10 09:23 +0100
Re: Song of the Track/Ceol na Loidhne John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-10 10:37 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:13 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:51 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:55 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-30 14:15 +0000
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +1000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:52 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:13 +1000
Re: OT - TV Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-10-08 21:51 +0200
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:47 +1100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:47 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-12 11:58 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 22:37 +1100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:17 +0100
[OT] - audio distribution, Rediffusion-style (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:43 +0100
Re: [OT] - audio distribution, Rediffusion-style Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-10-08 22:22 +0200
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 11:44 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:12 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 18:12 +0100
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:23 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:34 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0100
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-28 15:56 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:46 +0100
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-28 17:16 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-29 12:01 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:05 +0100
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-29 13:25 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:13 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Other John <nomail@here.org> - 2026-09-29 16:53 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:12 +0100
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-30 10:22 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:36 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:23 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0100
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:37 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:28 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:35 +0200
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:15 +0100
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:15 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:24 +0200
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-01 17:17 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:48 +0100
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-01 13:10 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 13:42 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 13:32 +0100
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:52 +0000
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-03 21:10 +1000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:39 +0200
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-04 21:26 +1100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:19 +0200
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:36 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:18 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:47 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 12:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:09 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 15:59 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-03 15:56 +0000
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 17:19 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:54 +0000
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:27 -0400
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 07:55 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:54 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:17 +0000
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-05 11:29 +0100
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-05 11:46 +0100
Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-06 17:51 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 18:58 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 20:36 +0200
Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-07 09:00 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:04 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:21 +0200
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-07 11:54 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:37 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:51 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:04 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-08 22:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:15 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:22 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:33 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:20 +0200
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:20 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:32 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-09 23:08 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:34 +0200
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-11 21:15 +1100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 11:23 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-11 22:15 +1100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:52 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:54 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 18:35 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-11 18:52 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 20:10 +0100
Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-11 20:54 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:11 +1100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 02:24 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 07:23 +0100
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-12 03:13 -0400
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:07 +1100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:21 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-13 22:36 +1100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:17 +1100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:55 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:09 +1100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 17:58 +1100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:18 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:59 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:29 +0200
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-11 22:17 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 23:46 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:48 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:28 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 19:11 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 22:35 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 01:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-13 06:16 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:27 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 18:40 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:54 +0200
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-13 19:57 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 21:10 +0200
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:06 +1100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:21 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 22:09 +0200
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 22:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:09 +1100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:31 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-13 17:21 +0000
Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:08 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 13:16 +0200
Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:23 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 18:52 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-13 18:16 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 19:47 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:00 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:28 +0100
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 22:51 -0400
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-14 00:32 -0400
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 01:26 -0400
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:08 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:58 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 09:07 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:43 +0000
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 08:29 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:04 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:21 +0200
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:48 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 04:56 +0000
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-14 09:09 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 04:48 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 04:32 +0000
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-13 16:28 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 19:36 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:08 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 05:07 +0000
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-14 09:09 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:59 +0200
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:16 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 22:16 +0200
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-13 23:15 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-13 23:52 +0000
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:39 -0400
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 03:21 +0000
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 01:18 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 12:42 +0200
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 08:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 09:16 +0100
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 04:42 -0400
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:18 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:45 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:25 +0200
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 12:34 +0200
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 12:31 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 13:21 +0100
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 13:31 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:48 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:54 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:50 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 05:14 +0000
Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-14 16:09 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-14 11:34 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 19:16 +0000
Re: OT - TV Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:00 -0500
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:19 +1100
Re: OT - TV Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2026-10-13 17:06 +0000
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:01 +1100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 17:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 17:45 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 17:44 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:25 +0200
Re: OT - TV wolfgang s <see@sig.nature> - 2026-10-13 11:21 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:38 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-13 16:55 +0000
Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-14 16:05 +0100
Re: OT - TV wolfgang s <see@sig.nature> - 2026-10-14 09:57 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 13:16 +0100
Re: OT - TV wolfgang s <see@sig.nature> - 2026-10-14 21:56 +0000
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-15 12:51 +0100
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 23:14 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 10:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-15 12:54 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-15 15:32 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 14:57 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-15 16:45 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 19:22 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-15 17:24 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 19:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-16 14:04 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-16 18:31 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-17 11:53 +0100
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-18 17:51 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-18 17:53 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-18 17:55 +0100
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-18 18:18 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-19 13:54 +0100
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-19 15:36 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:16 +0200
Re: OT - TV richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-10-16 13:15 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 15:44 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-17 23:09 +1100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-18 10:45 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:45 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:14 +1100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 12:03 +0100
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-12 12:07 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:27 +0200
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 22:46 +1100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:57 +0200
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:11 +1100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:26 +0200
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-10 03:38 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:35 +0200
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-10 12:44 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-10 13:29 +0100
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-11 00:01 -0400
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 05:23 +0000
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:21 +1100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:56 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:18 +1100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:30 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-11 10:12 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:34 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 18:05 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:24 +1100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:30 +0200
Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-12 19:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 19:40 +0100
Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:03 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:31 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 18:20 +0100
Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-16 16:14 -0500
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-17 01:01 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 19:45 +0100
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-12 19:54 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:19 +0100
Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-16 16:13 -0500
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:22 +0200
Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:05 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:34 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:56 +0200
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-08 15:44 +0100
[OT] hybrids (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-08 22:12 +0100
Re: [OT] hybrids liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-08 22:42 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:00 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:06 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2026-10-07 15:29 +0100
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-08 15:49 +0100
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:12 -0400
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-08 22:17 +0100
Re: OT - TV Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2026-10-09 08:12 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-10 04:21 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-10 08:25 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:54 +0200
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:40 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 12:47 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 00:23 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:59 +1100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 18:41 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-03 22:52 +0100
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 21:24 -0400
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 08:08 +0000
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-04 09:29 +0100
Re: OT - TV Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-30 15:13 +0100
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-29 13:16 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:54 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:15 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:27 +0200
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:13 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:19 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:57 +0100
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-30 13:29 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 13:54 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:34 +0100
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-30 18:08 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:22 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:37 +0000
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-01 10:32 +0100
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-01 09:41 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:37 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 13:08 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:50 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 03:29 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:53 +0200
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:49 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:57 +0100
Re: OT - TV liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-10-01 13:27 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:19 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:34 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:51 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:52 +0000
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 07:52 +0100
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 03:15 -0400
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:51 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:16 +0100
Re: OT - TV Paul Ratcliffe <abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> - 2026-10-16 18:22 +0000
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-16 20:32 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-17 01:55 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:12 +0200
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-07 12:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <11a5at8$2nipf$18@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70746 |
On 07/10/2026 11:54, John Williamson wrote: > On 07/10/2026 11:21, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 2026-10-07 12:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 07/10/2026 09:00, JMB99 wrote: >>>> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been >>>>> using batteries and continue to do so. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At least most are 'hybrids'. The Greenie purists don't like hybrids. >>> >>> Of course not. Hybrids actually are practical and mostly work. And >>> certainly reduce urban emissions mightily >>> >>> And you get a good balance between massive acceleration for e,g, >>> overtaking and having fun, with decent fuel economy in a stop start >>> scenario, and no worse economy than a similar turbodiesel etc on a >>> long constant speed run. >> >> That's the theory. I have been a fan of hybrids for decades. But they >> have been perverted: huge cars with tiny batteries that drink gasoline >> as cossacks, yet get the ECO label. >> > Hybrids are intended for use in traffic with frequent stops and starts. > The engine only needs enough power to keep it rolling at its maximum > speed. The battery only needs to hold enough energy to help accelerate > it away to the sped limit from a stop once or twice. As the IC engine is > small, it is working at close to its maximum efficiency most of the > time, as against the traditional vehicle engine which is pretty close to > idling except for a few seconds as you pull away for the lights. This is > why the early Toyota Prius taxis could get up to 50 mpg round town and > still pull away very quickly. Small engine, big motor and a battery that > was almost fully cycled at every junction. > > A well designed hybrid will also recover kinetic energy when you slow down. > > "Plug in" hybrids are, basically, an electric vehicle with a range > extender. They use the IC engine at high speed out of town and the > electric motor in town to reduce local emissions. > > For long fast trips out of town, you still need a big engine, and the > battery is more or less a waste of space. A bus company I used to work > for discovered this the expensive way when they bought a batch of hybrid > buses for a new inter town route, The engines were over worked when they > were out of town so they were using more fuel than the normal ones, and > the overload also caused problems witn reliability. People I know with hybrids say the economy is *no worse* with the hybrid on a long trip, at fairly steady legal speeds, than an equivalent turbodiesel. It just isn't any *better*. Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery. Typically halving fuel used Regen braking and no idling is the key -- “The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.” Herbert Spencer
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 13:51 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nipee4Fla45U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70749 |
On 2026-10-07 13:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/10/2026 11:54, John Williamson wrote:
>> On 07/10/2026 11:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-10-07 12:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 07/10/2026 09:00, JMB99 wrote:
>>>>> On 06/10/2026 19:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>> Do you consider submarines as "Vehicles"? Because they have been
>>>>>> using batteries and continue to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At least most are 'hybrids'. The Greenie purists don't like hybrids.
>>>>
>>>> Of course not. Hybrids actually are practical and mostly work. And
>>>> certainly reduce urban emissions mightily
>>>>
>>>> And you get a good balance between massive acceleration for e,g,
>>>> overtaking and having fun, with decent fuel economy in a stop start
>>>> scenario, and no worse economy than a similar turbodiesel etc on a
>>>> long constant speed run.
>>>
>>> That's the theory. I have been a fan of hybrids for decades. But they
>>> have been perverted: huge cars with tiny batteries that drink gasoline
>>> as cossacks, yet get the ECO label.
>>>
>> Hybrids are intended for use in traffic with frequent stops and
>> starts. The engine only needs enough power to keep it rolling at its
>> maximum speed. The battery only needs to hold enough energy to help
>> accelerate it away to the sped limit from a stop once or twice. As the
>> IC engine is small, it is working at close to its maximum efficiency
>> most of the time, as against the traditional vehicle engine which is
>> pretty close to idling except for a few seconds as you pull away for
>> the lights. This is why the early Toyota Prius taxis could get up to
>> 50 mpg round town and still pull away very quickly. Small engine, big
>> motor and a battery that was almost fully cycled at every junction.
>>
>> A well designed hybrid will also recover kinetic energy when you slow
>> down.
>>
>> "Plug in" hybrids are, basically, an electric vehicle with a range
>> extender. They use the IC engine at high speed out of town and the
>> electric motor in town to reduce local emissions.
>>
>> For long fast trips out of town, you still need a big engine, and the
>> battery is more or less a waste of space. A bus company I used to work
>> for discovered this the expensive way when they bought a batch of
>> hybrid buses for a new inter town route, The engines were over worked
>> when they were out of town so they were using more fuel than the
>> normal ones, and the overload also caused problems witn reliability.
>
> People I know with hybrids say the economy is *no worse* with the hybrid
> on a long trip, at fairly steady legal speeds, than an equivalent
> turbodiesel. It just isn't any *better*.
>
> Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to
> run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is
> depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery.
Some types should do well in hilly country.
>
> Typically halving fuel used
> Regen braking and no idling is the key
>
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 13:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <11a80sh$3pnm3$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70762 |
On 08/10/2026 12:51, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> People I know with hybrids say the economy is *no worse* with the >> hybrid on a long trip, at fairly steady legal speeds, than an >> equivalent turbodiesel. It just isn't any *better*. >> >> Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to >> run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is >> depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery. > > Some types should do well in hilly country. > Only if you need to use the brakes a lot >> >> Typically halving fuel used >> Regen braking and no idling is the key >> -- Climate is what you expect but weather is what you get. Mark Twain
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 22:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <11a90dj$7ae1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70764 |
On 2026/10/8 13:4:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 08/10/2026 12:51, Carlos E. R. wrote: [someone else wrote] >>> Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to >>> run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is >>> depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery. >> >> Some types should do well in hilly country. >> > Only if you need to use the brakes a lot > If your journey involves about the same amount of uphill and downhill, and you're _not_ using the brakes, where is the downhill energy going? Either engine braking (which is another form of "using the brakes", but even worse in that it might actually use fuel), or you're accelerating on the downhill parts and using the speed thus gained to help you on the uphill - makes you a bit dangerous in the valleys. >>> >>> Typically halving fuel used >>> Regen braking and no idling is the key >>> > -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-08 22:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <11a9169$73vs$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70772 |
On 08/10/2026 22:02, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2026/10/8 13:4:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 08/10/2026 12:51, Carlos E. R. wrote: > [someone else wrote] >>>> Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to >>>> run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is >>>> depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery. >>> >>> Some types should do well in hilly country. >>> >> Only if you need to use the brakes a lot >> > If your journey involves about the same amount of uphill and downhill, > and you're _not_ using the brakes, where is the downhill energy going? Do you really not have an answer for that? You are coasting. The energy goes into the drag just the same as if it was an EV I do it all the time. > Either engine braking (which is another form of "using the brakes", but > even worse in that it might actually use fuel), or you're accelerating > on the downhill parts and using the speed thus gained to help you on the > uphill - makes you a bit dangerous in the valleys. > No. You are coasting. On a manual in neutral, On an auto, it does it 'automatically' (sic!) >>>> >>>> Typically halving fuel used >>>> Regen braking and no idling is the key >>>> >> > -- "If you don’t read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the news paper, you are mis-informed." Mark Twain
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 22:22 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nit0p0F6jjoU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70774 |
On 2026-10-08 23:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 08/10/2026 22:02, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> On 2026/10/8 13:4:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 08/10/2026 12:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> [someone else wrote]
>>>>> Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to
>>>>> run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is
>>>>> depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery.
>>>>
>>>> Some types should do well in hilly country.
>>>>
>>> Only if you need to use the brakes a lot
>>>
>> If your journey involves about the same amount of uphill and downhill,
>> and you're _not_ using the brakes, where is the downhill energy going?
>
> Do you really not have an answer for that?
>
> You are coasting. The energy goes into the drag just the same as if it
> was an EV
>
> I do it all the time.
>
>> Either engine braking (which is another form of "using the brakes", but
>> even worse in that it might actually use fuel), or you're accelerating
>> on the downhill parts and using the speed thus gained to help you on the
>> uphill - makes you a bit dangerous in the valleys.
>>
> No. You are coasting. On a manual in neutral, On an auto, it does it
> 'automatically' (sic!)
Here, if you try to coast, you crash eventually.
Coasting on neutral on down slopes is strongly discouraged in driving
school. Very, very dangerous.
>
>>>>>
>>>>> Typically halving fuel used
>>>>> Regen braking and no idling is the key
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 22:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <11abmj0$164sk$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70790 |
On 09/10/2026 21:22, Carlos E. R. wrote: > > Here, if you try to coast, you crash eventually. > > Coasting on neutral on down slopes is strongly discouraged in driving > school. Very, very dangerous. Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men -- In todays liberal progressive conflict-free education system, everyone gets full Marx.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-10 19:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <in8qpmxbdv.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #70792 |
On 2026-10-09 23:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 09/10/2026 21:22, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> >> Here, if you try to coast, you crash eventually. >> >> Coasting on neutral on down slopes is strongly discouraged in driving >> school. Very, very dangerous. > > Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men It was a rule for survival. You are a fool if you break it here. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 22:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nit0jnF6jjnU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70764 |
On 2026-10-08 14:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 08/10/2026 12:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> People I know with hybrids say the economy is *no worse* with the
>>> hybrid on a long trip, at fairly steady legal speeds, than an
>>> equivalent turbodiesel. It just isn't any *better*.
>>>
>>> Where it scores is in town where the regen braking and the ability to
>>> run off the battery alone for stop start crawl until the battery is
>>> depleted, when the engine cuts in to recharge the battery.
>>
>> Some types should do well in hilly country.
>>
> Only if you need to use the brakes a lot
No.
In hilly country you first use the motor as a brake, wasting energy to
the radiator. If that is not enough, you waste energy on the brakes.
With an hybrid, assuming the battery is big enough, you instead store
energy in the battery, to be used on the next up-slope.
And Spain is very hilly, second to Switzerland in Europe according to
the school texts of my time.
>
>>>
>>> Typically halving fuel used
>>> Regen braking and no idling is the key
>>>
>
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 22:32 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <11abmhd$164sk$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70789 |
On 09/10/2026 21:20, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-10-08 14:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Only if you need to use the brakes a lot > > No. > > In hilly country you first use the motor as a brake, In an automatic car, you do not End of your thesis. -- In todays liberal progressive conflict-free education system, everyone gets full Marx.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-09 23:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <MteyS.65606$plMb.52713@fx42.iad> |
| In reply to | #70791 |
On 2026-10-09, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 09/10/2026 21:20, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >> On 2026-10-08 14:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> Only if you need to use the brakes a lot >> >> No. >> >> In hilly country you first use the motor as a brake, > > In an automatic car, you do not You can if you want. I often downshift an automatic on a downhill grade. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-10 19:34 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <bi9qpmx591.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #70793 |
On 2026-10-10 01:08, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-10-09, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> On 09/10/2026 21:20, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> >>> On 2026-10-08 14:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> Only if you need to use the brakes a lot >>> >>> No. >>> >>> In hilly country you first use the motor as a brake, >> >> In an automatic car, you do not > > You can if you want. I often downshift an automatic > on a downhill grade. The only automatic car I have driven was recently a Fiat 600e that I rented. Electric. The regenerative brake is brutal. You can set the cruise controller to 90km/h on a 2000 thousand meter high sierra, and it will keep the speed both going up or down. I tested it. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 21:15 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <11afnkn$2hgt3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70806 |
On 11/10/2026 4:34 am, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-10-10 01:08, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2026-10-09, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> On 09/10/2026 21:20, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>> On 2026-10-08 14:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> >>>>> Only if you need to use the brakes a lot >>>> >>>> No. >>>> >>>> In hilly country you first use the motor as a brake, >>> >>> In an automatic car, you do not >> >> You can if you want. I often downshift an automatic >> on a downhill grade. > > The only automatic car I have driven was recently a Fiat 600e that I > rented. Electric. The regenerative brake is brutal. > > You can set the cruise controller to 90km/h on a 2000 thousand meter > high sierra, and it will keep the speed both going up or down. I tested it. > Are you sure, Carlos?? DuckDuckGo suggests Mount Everest (highest point on Earth) is only 8,849 mtrs high .... somewhat less than your "2000 thousand meter high sierra". ;-P Or are you meaning "2000 thousand meter on the high sierra"?? -- Daniel70
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 11:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <11afo3s$2hias$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70815 |
On 11/10/2026 11:15, Daniel70 wrote: >> The only automatic car I have driven was recently a Fiat 600e that I >> rented. Electric. The regenerative brake is brutal. >> >> You can set the cruise controller to 90km/h on a 2000 thousand meter >> high sierra, and it will keep the speed both going up or down. I >> tested it. >> > Are you sure, Carlos?? > > DuckDuckGo suggests Mount Everest (highest point on Earth) is only 8,849 > mtrs high .... somewhat less than your "2000 thousand meter high > sierra". 😜 > That's not fair! English is not his first language. BUT daily I set my cruise control to 30mph and the only hill within miles will have the car at 35mph with the engine idling every time I go down it > Or are you meaning "2000 thousand meter on the high sierra"?? You know what he means: 2000 metre high Sierra And a typical meter is only about 4cm high and comes with a red lead and a black lead. :-) -- WOKE is an acronym... Without Originality, Knowledge or Education.
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 22:15 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <11afr48$2iu8d$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70816 |
On 11/10/2026 9:23 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 11/10/2026 11:15, Daniel70 wrote: >>> The only automatic car I have driven was recently a Fiat 600e that I >>> rented. Electric. The regenerative brake is brutal. >>> >>> You can set the cruise controller to 90km/h on a 2000 thousand meter >>> high sierra, and it will keep the speed both going up or down. I >>> tested it. >>> >> Are you sure, Carlos?? >> >> DuckDuckGo suggests Mount Everest (highest point on Earth) is only >> 8,849 mtrs high .... somewhat less than your "2000 thousand meter high >> sierra". 😜 >> > That's not fair! English is not his first language. Correct .... and the only way he/one can improve themselves is to be corrected when they make an error. Isn't that what Teachers are paid to do .... Oh, and Parents, too, although their Pay might not be so good. ;-) > BUT daily I set my cruise control to 30mph and the only hill within > miles will have the car at 35mph with the engine idling every time I go > down it Yeap, I've noticed that as well .... and my car struggles to maintain the set speed on the way up. >> Or are you meaning "2000 thousand meter on the high sierra"?? > > You know what he means: 2000 metre high Sierra > > And a typical meter is only about 4cm high and comes with a red lead and > a black lead. :-) Oh!! That must be Modern Tech .... when I used AVO meters (thirty-odd years ago) they were six cm or more deep. ;-P But the Red and Black leads were pretty common. (I think I had a Green lead at one stage.) -- Daniel70
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 14:52 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <11ag4bc$2m7ll$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70817 |
On 11/10/2026 12:15, Daniel70 wrote: > On 11/10/2026 9:23 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 11/10/2026 11:15, Daniel70 wrote: >>>> The only automatic car I have driven was recently a Fiat 600e that I >>>> rented. Electric. The regenerative brake is brutal. >>>> >>>> You can set the cruise controller to 90km/h on a 2000 thousand meter >>>> high sierra, and it will keep the speed both going up or down. I >>>> tested it. >>>> >>> Are you sure, Carlos?? >>> >>> DuckDuckGo suggests Mount Everest (highest point on Earth) is only >>> 8,849 mtrs high .... somewhat less than your "2000 thousand meter >>> high sierra". 😜 >>> >> That's not fair! English is not his first language. > > Correct .... and the only way he/one can improve themselves is to be > corrected when they make an error. Isn't that what Teachers are paid to > do .... Oh, and Parents, too, although their Pay might not be so good. ;-) > >> BUT daily I set my cruise control to 30mph and the only hill within >> miles will have the car at 35mph with the engine idling every time I >> go down it > > Yeap, I've noticed that as well .... and my car struggles to maintain > the set speed on the way up. > Oh I never lose more than 0.5mph >>> Or are you meaning "2000 thousand meter on the high sierra"?? >> >> You know what he means: 2000 metre high Sierra >> >> And a typical meter is only about 4cm high and comes with a red lead >> and a black lead. :-) > > Oh!! That must be Modern Tech .... when I used AVO meters (thirty-odd > years ago) they were six cm or more deep. ;-P > > But the Red and Black leads were pretty common. (I think I had a Green > lead at one stage.) -- Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas? Josef Stalin
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 15:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <7jOyS.338556$JSFb.202684@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #70817 |
On 2026-10-11, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On 11/10/2026 9:23 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 11/10/2026 11:15, Daniel70 wrote:
>>
>>>> The only automatic car I have driven was recently a Fiat 600e that I
>>>> rented. Electric. The regenerative brake is brutal.
>>>>
>>>> You can set the cruise controller to 90km/h on a 2000 thousand meter
>>>> high sierra, and it will keep the speed both going up or down. I
>>>> tested it.
>>>>
>>> Are you sure, Carlos??
>>>
>>> DuckDuckGo suggests Mount Everest (highest point on Earth) is only
>>> 8,849 mtrs high .... somewhat less than your "2000 thousand meter high
>>> sierra". 😜
>>>
>> That's not fair! English is not his first language.
>
> Correct .... and the only way he/one can improve themselves is to be
> corrected when they make an error. Isn't that what Teachers are paid to
> do .... Oh, and Parents, too, although their Pay might not be so good. ;-)
Still, the best teachers manage to point out errors without
making someone feel like an idiot. Abusive language may be
satisfying, but only for the abuser. It certainly doesn't
accomplish the goal.
>> And a typical meter is only about 4cm high and comes with a red lead and
>> a black lead. :-)
>
> Oh!! That must be Modern Tech .... when I used AVO meters (thirty-odd
> years ago) they were six cm or more deep. ;-P
>
> But the Red and Black leads were pretty common. (I think I had a Green
> lead at one stage.)
Red to red and black to black
Switch it on and stand well back
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people:
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 18:35 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <11aghcb$2riuu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70821 |
On 2026/10/11 16:54:43, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-10-11, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: > >> On 11/10/2026 9:23 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote: [] >>> That's not fair! English is not his first language. Yes, and I try to make allowances. Sometimes, however, the non-native-speaker _does_ speak English so well that it's easy to forget - Carlos being a good example. (I think the "2000 thousand" was just a slip of the mind, the sort that we native-speakers also make.) >> >> Correct .... and the only way he/one can improve themselves is to be >> corrected when they make an error. Isn't that what Teachers are paid to That I do agree with. Any correction I make - unless the error-er is being particularly obnoxious - is made with educational intent, to help the error-maker get it right, and thus get less disrespect, in future. (And anyone else reading who might also be prone to make that error, especially if it's a common type.) >> do .... Oh, and Parents, too, although their Pay might not be so good. ;-) :-) > > Still, the best teachers manage to point out errors without > making someone feel like an idiot. Abusive language may be > satisfying, but only for the abuser. It certainly doesn't > accomplish the goal. I try to show _why_ the error is wrong - with humour, if possible, in the hope that that will _help_ anyone remember. > >>> And a typical meter is only about 4cm high and comes with a red lead and >>> a black lead. :-) >> >> Oh!! That must be Modern Tech .... when I used AVO meters (thirty-odd >> years ago) they were six cm or more deep. ;-P More like 10-15 IME! >> >> But the Red and Black leads were pretty common. (I think I had a Green >> lead at one stage.) > > Red to red and black to black > Switch it on and stand well back > Not heard that one! green to green or red to red - proceed with caution, slow ahead; red to green or green to red - perfect safety, go ahead. Running lights for boats/ships - I think I got it from my father, who spend a little time in the navy. Unfortunately, I'm never sure whether I've got it the right way round! (I _think_ I have - if contrasting colours, then the other vessel is going in the same direction as you, so collision would be less catastrophic.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong. ― Voltaire, The Age of Louis XIV (via tnp 2026)
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| From | John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 18:52 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nj20ndF6jcU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70824 |
On 11/10/2026 18:35, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2026/10/11 16:54:43, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2026-10-11, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >> >>> On 11/10/2026 9:23 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > [] > >>>> That's not fair! English is not his first language. > > Yes, and I try to make allowances. Sometimes, however, the > non-native-speaker _does_ speak English so well that it's easy to forget > - Carlos being a good example. (I think the "2000 thousand" was just a > slip of the mind, the sort that we native-speakers also make.) > >>> >>> Correct .... and the only way he/one can improve themselves is to be >>> corrected when they make an error. Isn't that what Teachers are paid to > > That I do agree with. Any correction I make - unless the error-er is > being particularly obnoxious - is made with educational intent, to help > the error-maker get it right, and thus get less disrespect, in future. > (And anyone else reading who might also be prone to make that error, > especially if it's a common type.) > >>> do .... Oh, and Parents, too, although their Pay might not be so good. ;-) > > :-) > >> >> Still, the best teachers manage to point out errors without >> making someone feel like an idiot. Abusive language may be >> satisfying, but only for the abuser. It certainly doesn't >> accomplish the goal. > > I try to show _why_ the error is wrong - with humour, if possible, in > the hope that that will _help_ anyone remember. > >> >>>> And a typical meter is only about 4cm high and comes with a red lead and >>>> a black lead. :-) >>> >>> Oh!! That must be Modern Tech .... when I used AVO meters (thirty-odd >>> years ago) they were six cm or more deep. ;-P > > More like 10-15 IME! > >>> >>> But the Red and Black leads were pretty common. (I think I had a Green >>> lead at one stage.) >> >> Red to red and black to black >> Switch it on and stand well back >> > Not heard that one! > > green to green or red to red - proceed with caution, slow ahead; > red to green or green to red - perfect safety, go ahead. > > Running lights for boats/ships - I think I got it from my father, who > spend a little time in the navy. Unfortunately, I'm never sure whether > I've got it the right way round! (I _think_ I have - if contrasting > colours, then the other vessel is going in the same direction as you, so > collision would be less catastrophic.) > When boats ahead, show your red. The full rules are 21 pages of legalese... -- Tciao for Now! John.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 20:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <11agn00$2u8p7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70825 |
On 2026/10/11 18:52:44, John Williamson wrote: > On 11/10/2026 18:35, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> On 2026/10/11 16:54:43, Charlie Gibbs wrote: [] >>> Red to red and black to black >>> Switch it on and stand well back >>> >> Not heard that one! >> >> green to green or red to red - proceed with caution, slow ahead; >> red to green or green to red - perfect safety, go ahead. >> >> Running lights for boats/ships - I think I got it from my father, who >> spend a little time in the navy. Unfortunately, I'm never sure whether >> I've got it the right way round! (I _think_ I have - if contrasting >> colours, then the other vessel is going in the same direction as you, so >> collision would be less catastrophic.) >> > When boats ahead, show your red. I think we're talking about different lights; the ones I have in mind show which _side_ of a boat/ship is which - green on one side, red the other. > > The full rules are 21 pages of legalese... > My dad had a book called "the military Eitzen", which among other things listed various short international signals and what they mean. My favourite one meant: "Stop. Stop engines. Do not lower boats. If you disobey, I will open fire." -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Illinc fui et illud feci, habe tunicam?
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