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  Usenapp David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-13 20:43 +0000
    Re: Usenapp Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-01-13 22:39 +0000
      Re: Usenapp David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-13 23:08 +0000
        Re: Usenapp Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-01-14 04:07 +0000
        Re: Usenapp Andre <andre@usenapp.root> - 2025-01-14 08:09 +0000
          Re: Usenapp Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-01-14 09:52 +0000
            Re: Usenapp Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-01-14 13:32 +0000
              Re: Usenapp David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-15 09:46 +0000
                Re: Usenapp Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-01-16 05:16 +0000
          Re: Usenapp Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-01-16 05:42 +0000
          Usenapp author query. David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-17 18:34 +0000
            Re: Usenapp author query. Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-01-17 21:32 +0000
              Re: Usenapp author query. Dropped Carrier <phil@taa.net> - 2025-01-17 17:01 -0500
                Re: Usenapp author query. Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-01-17 22:17 +0000
                  Re: Usenapp author query. David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-18 08:25 +0000
                    Re: Usenapp author query. Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-01-19 06:13 +0000
                      Re: Usenapp author query. T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> - 2025-01-19 12:37 +0000
                        Re: Usenapp author query. David <David@example.net> - 2025-01-19 13:28 +0000
                      Re: Usenapp author query. David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-20 07:48 +0000
                        Re: Usenapp author query. Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-20 14:23 +0000
                          Re: Usenapp author query. David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-20 15:32 +0000
                            Re: Usenapp author query. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-20 08:59 -0700
                              Re: Usenapp author query. Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-20 16:54 +0000
                                Re: Usenapp author query. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-20 10:04 -0700
                                  Re: Usenapp author query. Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-20 17:29 +0000
                                    Re: Usenapp author query. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-20 10:36 -0700
                            Re: Usenapp author query. Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-20 16:00 +0000
                              Re: Usenapp author query. David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-20 16:13 +0000
                                Re: Usenapp author query. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-20 09:54 -0700
          Re: Usenapp David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-20 08:39 +0000
          Re: Usenapp "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-09-10 14:29 +0100
            Re: Usenapp David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-11 20:22 +0000
              Re: Usenapp Old John <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> - 2026-06-12 06:31 +0000
                Re: Usenapp "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-12 08:34 +0100
                  Re: Usenapp "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-12 10:15 +0100
                    Re: Usenapp Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-13 00:06 +0000
                      Re: Usenapp David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-13 07:04 +0000
                        Re: Usenapp Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-13 15:58 +0000
                          Re: Usenapp Dietrich Von GassenHousen <Dietrich@ZyklonB.org> - 2026-06-13 16:15 +0000
                            Re: Usenapp Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-14 01:25 +0000
                          Re: Usenapp "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-13 21:38 +0100
                            Re: Usenapp Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-14 01:24 +0000
                              Re: Usenapp "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-14 06:19 +0100
                                Re: Usenapp Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-14 05:43 +0000
                                  Re: Usenapp "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-14 06:52 +0100
                    Re: Usenapp Old John <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> - 2026-06-13 06:38 +0000
                      Re: Usenapp David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-13 07:02 +0000
                        Re: Usenapp % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-06-13 06:20 -0700
                        Re: Usenapp Old John <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> - 2026-06-14 06:35 +0000
                          Re: Usenapp David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-14 07:43 +0000
                            Re: Usenapp Old John <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> - 2026-06-14 08:06 +0000
                              Re: Usenapp David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-14 17:15 +0000
                              Re: Usenapp "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-24 09:53 +0100
                                Re: Usenapp Old John <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> - 2026-06-25 06:44 +0000
                                  Thank you, John! 😊 (Was - Usenapp) "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-25 09:13 +0100
                                    Re: Thank you, John! 😊 (Was - Usenapp) (was: Thank you, John! 😊 (Was - Usenapp)) Old John <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> - 2026-06-25 15:26 +0000
                                      Re: Thank you, John! 😊 (Was - Usenapp) "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-25 18:34 +0100
                                        Re: Thank you, John! 😊 (Was - Usenapp) (was: Thank you, John! 😊 (Was - Usenapp)) John Doe <john.doe@myemail.invalid> - 2026-06-26 07:43 +0000
                      Re: Usenapp Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-13 15:59 +0000
                        Re: Usenapp Dietrich Von GassenHousen <Dietrich@ZyklonB.org> - 2026-06-13 16:16 +0000
                          Re: Usenapp Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-14 01:25 +0000
                Re: Usenapp WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2026-06-24 19:23 -0400
                  Re: Usenapp pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-06-24 23:42 +0000
                  Re: Usenapp "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-25 09:30 +0100
                  Malware scanning (was - Usenapp) (was: Usenapp) John Doe <john.doe@myemail.invalid> - 2026-06-27 10:32 +0000
                    Re: Malware scanning David B. <david@no.mail.invalid> - 2026-06-27 14:15 +0000
                      Re: Malware scanning David B. <david@no.mail.invalid> - 2026-06-27 14:36 +0000

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#183857

On 13/06/2026 16:58, Brock McNuggets wrote:
> On Jun 13, 2026 at 12:04:09 AM MST, "David B." wrote
> <6a2d00e9$2$20$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> 
>> On 13 Jun 2026 at 01:06:11 BST, "Brock McNuggets" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 12, 2026 at 2:15:33 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
>>> <n9211lFl4ajU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>> On 12/06/2026 08:34, David B. got that the wrong way round!
>>>>
>>>> I am *SO* sorry!
>>>> When I view your posts using Usenap, your name is shown as "Old
>>>> John". When I view the identical post in Thunderbird, your name is printed
>>>> as "John Hill".
>>>>
>>>> That's how things actually are!
>>>
>>> What do the headers show?
>>
>> Can you not see them for yourself?!!!
> 
> Looking back the claim is that Thunderbird overrides the "From" line.
> 
> Do you have John in your address book? My *guess* is that you do... and listed
> as John Hill.


Yes, I do. I have posted this discovery already.


-- 
Kind regards,
David

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#183858

On Jun 13, 2026 at 1:38:18 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
<n95tdqF9aoaU1@mid.individual.net>:

> On 13/06/2026 16:58, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>> On Jun 13, 2026 at 12:04:09 AM MST, "David B." wrote
>> <6a2d00e9$2$20$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>> 
>>> On 13 Jun 2026 at 01:06:11 BST, "Brock McNuggets" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 12, 2026 at 2:15:33 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
>>>> <n9211lFl4ajU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/06/2026 08:34, David B. got that the wrong way round!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am *SO* sorry!
>>>>> When I view your posts using Usenap, your name is shown as "Old
>>>>> John". When I view the identical post in Thunderbird, your name is printed
>>>>> as "John Hill".
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's how things actually are!
>>>> 
>>>> What do the headers show?
>>> 
>>> Can you not see them for yourself?!!!
>> 
>> Looking back the claim is that Thunderbird overrides the "From" line.
>> 
>> Do you have John in your address book? My *guess* is that you do... and listed
>> as John Hill.
> 
> 
> Yes, I do. I have posted this discovery already.

Ah, missed it. Well, well troubleshot.

-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

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#183861

On 14/06/2026 02:24, Brock McNuggets wrote:
> On Jun 13, 2026 at 1:38:18 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
> <n95tdqF9aoaU1@mid.individual.net>:
> 
>> On 13/06/2026 16:58, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>>> On Jun 13, 2026 at 12:04:09 AM MST, "David B." wrote
>>> <6a2d00e9$2$20$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>
>>>> On 13 Jun 2026 at 01:06:11 BST, "Brock McNuggets" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 12, 2026 at 2:15:33 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
>>>>> <n9211lFl4ajU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/06/2026 08:34, David B. got that the wrong way round!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am *SO* sorry!
>>>>>> When I view your posts using Usenap, your name is shown as "Old
>>>>>> John". When I view the identical post in Thunderbird, your name is printed
>>>>>> as "John Hill".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's how things actually are!
>>>>>
>>>>> What do the headers show?
>>>>
>>>> Can you not see them for yourself?!!!
>>>
>>> Looking back the claim is that Thunderbird overrides the "From" line.
>>>
>>> Do you have John in your address book? My *guess* is that you do... and listed
>>> as John Hill.
>>
>>
>> Yes, I do. I have posted this discovery already.
> 
> Ah, missed it. Well, well troubleshot.

Thanks! 😊

-- 
Kind regards,
David

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#183862

On Jun 13, 2026 at 10:19:23 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
<n96rurFdqorU1@mid.individual.net>:

> On 14/06/2026 02:24, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>> On Jun 13, 2026 at 1:38:18 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
>> <n95tdqF9aoaU1@mid.individual.net>:
>> 
>>> On 13/06/2026 16:58, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>>>> On Jun 13, 2026 at 12:04:09 AM MST, "David B." wrote
>>>> <6a2d00e9$2$20$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 13 Jun 2026 at 01:06:11 BST, "Brock McNuggets" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 12, 2026 at 2:15:33 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
>>>>>> <n9211lFl4ajU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 12/06/2026 08:34, David B. got that the wrong way round!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am *SO* sorry!
>>>>>>> When I view your posts using Usenap, your name is shown as "Old
>>>>>>> John". When I view the identical post in Thunderbird, your name is printed
>>>>>>> as "John Hill".
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That's how things actually are!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What do the headers show?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can you not see them for yourself?!!!
>>>> 
>>>> Looking back the claim is that Thunderbird overrides the "From" line.
>>>> 
>>>> Do you have John in your address book? My *guess* is that you do... and listed
>>>> as John Hill.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes, I do. I have posted this discovery already.
>> 
>> Ah, missed it. Well, well troubleshot.
> 
> Thanks! 😊

Sure.

-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

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#183863

On 14/06/2026 06:43, Brock McNuggets wrote:
> On Jun 13, 2026 at 10:19:23 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
> <n96rurFdqorU1@mid.individual.net>:
> 
>> On 14/06/2026 02:24, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>>> On Jun 13, 2026 at 1:38:18 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
>>> <n95tdqF9aoaU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>> On 13/06/2026 16:58, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 13, 2026 at 12:04:09 AM MST, "David B." wrote
>>>>> <6a2d00e9$2$20$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13 Jun 2026 at 01:06:11 BST, "Brock McNuggets" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 12, 2026 at 2:15:33 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
>>>>>>> <n9211lFl4ajU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/06/2026 08:34, David B. got that the wrong way round!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am *SO* sorry!
>>>>>>>> When I view your posts using Usenap, your name is shown as "Old
>>>>>>>> John". When I view the identical post in Thunderbird, your name is printed
>>>>>>>> as "John Hill".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's how things actually are!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do the headers show?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you not see them for yourself?!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking back the claim is that Thunderbird overrides the "From" line.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have John in your address book? My *guess* is that you do... and listed
>>>>> as John Hill.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I do. I have posted this discovery already.
>>>
>>> Ah, missed it. Well, well troubleshot.
>>
>> Thanks! 😊
> 
> Sure.

<aside>  Did you watch the short video I put on The Yellow-Brick Road?

-- 
Kind regards,
David

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#183848

On 12 Jun 2026 at 10:15:33 BST, ""David B."" <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> On 12/06/2026 08:34, David B. got that the wrong way round!
> 
> I am *SO* sorry!
> When I view your posts using Usenap, your name is shown as "Old
> John". When I view the identical post in Thunderbird, your name is printed
> as "John Hill".
> 
> That's how things actually are!

From about 1994, when uscm was founded (I joined it within a couple of weeks)
I was John Hill. I put "John" manually at the end of the posts.

This held until a couple of years or so ago, when other Johns appeared. I got
old and lazy. So I decided that I would do a bit of nymshifting myself and
decided to become Old John, and not put my name at the bottom of each post.

It is just possible, then, that Thunderbird is picking up some relic of this.
But the message headers of current posts clearly contain "From: Old John
<watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk>" and do not contain "Hill".

I have no idea why you see what you see. But note the sig.
-- 
Classic computing: Computers do what you tell them to do,
not what you want them to do.
Modern computing: Computers do what they want to do,
no matter what you tell them to do.

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#183849

On 13 Jun 2026 at 07:38:45 BST, "Old John" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 12 Jun 2026 at 10:15:33 BST, ""David B."" <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 12/06/2026 08:34, David B. got that the wrong way round!
>> 
>> I am *SO* sorry!
>> When I view your posts using Usenap, your name is shown as "Old
>> John". When I view the identical post in Thunderbird, your name is printed
>> as "John Hill".
>> 
>> That's how things actually are!
> 
> From about 1994, when uscm was founded (I joined it within a couple of weeks)
> I was John Hill. I put "John" manually at the end of the posts.
> 
> This held until a couple of years or so ago, when other Johns appeared. I got
> old and lazy. So I decided that I would do a bit of nymshifting myself and
> decided to become Old John, and not put my name at the bottom of each post.
> 
> It is just possible, then, that Thunderbird is picking up some relic of this.
> But the message headers of current posts clearly contain "From: Old John
> <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk>" and do not contain "Hill".
> 
> I have no idea why you see what you see. But note the sig.

Hello again, John,

Many thanks for the explanation!

I think the mystery has now been solved. As it turns out, Thunderbird has had
your email address stored in my Address Book for years under "John Hill", and
it has been quietly substituting that name whenever your posts arrive.

So, despite my efforts to investigate hidden headers, obscure Usenet
behaviour, and possible Usenapp oddities, the culprit was my own Thunderbird
installation all along!

Your account of the transition from "John Hill" to "Old John" also makes
perfect sense. The Address Book entry must date back to those earlier days and
has simply never been updated.

I must say, your signature seems particularly apt in this case:

"Classic computing: Computers do what you tell them to do, not what you want
them to do."

Thunderbird was faithfully doing exactly what I told it to do years ago. The
problem was that I had completely forgotten giving it the instruction!

Thank you for helping unravel the puzzle, and congratulations on maintaining
such a remarkable Usenet presence over the years. There can't be many people
left who can say they were there at the founding of uscm (ucsm) and are still
posting regularly today.

Kind regards,

David

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#183852

David B. wrote:
> On 13 Jun 2026 at 07:38:45 BST, "Old John" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 12 Jun 2026 at 10:15:33 BST, ""David B."" <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/06/2026 08:34, David B. got that the wrong way round!
>>>
>>> I am *SO* sorry!
>>> When I view your posts using Usenap, your name is shown as "Old
>>> John". When I view the identical post in Thunderbird, your name is printed
>>> as "John Hill".
>>>
>>> That's how things actually are!
>>
>>  From about 1994, when uscm was founded (I joined it within a couple of weeks)
>> I was John Hill. I put "John" manually at the end of the posts.
>>
>> This held until a couple of years or so ago, when other Johns appeared. I got
>> old and lazy. So I decided that I would do a bit of nymshifting myself and
>> decided to become Old John, and not put my name at the bottom of each post.
>>
>> It is just possible, then, that Thunderbird is picking up some relic of this.
>> But the message headers of current posts clearly contain "From: Old John
>> <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk>" and do not contain "Hill".
>>
>> I have no idea why you see what you see. But note the sig.
> 
> Hello again, John,
> 
> Many thanks for the explanation!
> 
> I think the mystery has now been solved. As it turns out, Thunderbird has had
> your email address stored in my Address Book for years under "John Hill", and
> it has been quietly substituting that name whenever your posts arrive.
> 
> So, despite my efforts to investigate hidden headers, obscure Usenet
> behaviour, and possible Usenapp oddities, the culprit was my own Thunderbird
> installation all along!
> 
> Your account of the transition from "John Hill" to "Old John" also makes
> perfect sense. The Address Book entry must date back to those earlier days and
> has simply never been updated.
> 
> I must say, your signature seems particularly apt in this case:
> 
> "Classic computing: Computers do what you tell them to do, not what you want
> them to do."
> 
> Thunderbird was faithfully doing exactly what I told it to do years ago. The
> problem was that I had completely forgotten giving it the instruction!
> 
> Thank you for helping unravel the puzzle, and congratulations on maintaining
> such a remarkable Usenet presence over the years. There can't be many people
> left who can say they were there at the founding of uscm (ucsm) and are still
> posting regularly today.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David
> 
i can say it

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#183864

On 13 Jun 2026 at 08:02:54 BST, "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> So, despite my efforts to investigate hidden headers, obscure Usenet
> behaviour, and possible Usenapp oddities, the culprit was my own Thunderbird
> installation all along!

I have never used Thunderbird. But it seems to me that in this case it
exceeded its authority.
-- 
Classic computing: Computers do what you tell them to do,
not what you want them to do.
Modern computing: Computers do what they want to do,
no matter what you tell them to do.

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#183866

On 14 Jun 2026 at 07:35:19 BST, "Old John" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 13 Jun 2026 at 08:02:54 BST, "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> So, despite my efforts to investigate hidden headers, obscure Usenet
>> behaviour, and possible Usenapp oddities, the culprit was my own Thunderbird
>> installation all along!
> 
> I have never used Thunderbird. But it seems to me that in this case it
> exceeded its authority.

I totally agree!

You are probably aware that such things have been known to happen before!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE

Do you know what happened next?

-- 
Another Dave!

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#183867

On 14 Jun 2026 at 08:43:12 BST, "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> On 14 Jun 2026 at 07:35:19 BST, "Old John" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 13 Jun 2026 at 08:02:54 BST, "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> So, despite my efforts to investigate hidden headers, obscure Usenet
>>> behaviour, and possible Usenapp oddities, the culprit was my own Thunderbird
>>> installation all along!
>> 
>> I have never used Thunderbird. But it seems to me that in this case it
>> exceeded its authority.
> 
> I totally agree!
> 
> You are probably aware that such things have been known to happen before!
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE
> 
> Do you know what happened next?

Yes.

"My mind is going" was a very popular clip for shutdown of a Mac in the good
old days when such things were possible.
-- 
God makes power, Man makes engines.

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#183869

On 14 Jun 2026 at 09:06:24 BST, "Old John" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 14 Jun 2026 at 08:43:12 BST, "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 14 Jun 2026 at 07:35:19 BST, "Old John" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 13 Jun 2026 at 08:02:54 BST, "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> So, despite my efforts to investigate hidden headers, obscure Usenet
>>>> behaviour, and possible Usenapp oddities, the culprit was my own Thunderbird
>>>> installation all along!
>>> 
>>> I have never used Thunderbird. But it seems to me that in this case it
>>> exceeded its authority.
>> 
>> I totally agree!
>> 
>> You are probably aware that such things have been known to happen before!
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE
>> 
>> Do you know what happened next?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> "My mind is going" was a very popular clip for shutdown of a Mac in the good
> old days when such things were possible.

I now know too! :-D

Here's the relevant clip from YouTube:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0bUd6KrQGg

I did watch the original film - but that was a VERY long time ago!

-- 
Thanks,
David

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#183905

On 14/06/2026 09:06, Old John wrote:
> On 14 Jun 2026 at 08:43:12 BST, "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 14 Jun 2026 at 07:35:19 BST, "Old John" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 13 Jun 2026 at 08:02:54 BST, "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, despite my efforts to investigate hidden headers, obscure Usenet
>>>> behaviour, and possible Usenapp oddities, the culprit was my own Thunderbird
>>>> installation all along!
>>>
>>> I have never used Thunderbird. But it seems to me that in this case it
>>> exceeded its authority.
>>
>> I totally agree!
>>
>> You are probably aware that such things have been known to happen before!
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE
>>
>> Do you know what happened next?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> "My mind is going" was a very popular clip for shutdown of a Mac in the good
> old days when such things were possible.

As you are aware, John, you are one of the few people here who 
correspond with me. May I ask a favour?

I'm writing to you now on my original 27 inch iMac which I bought brand 
new in 2017. The SSD part of my Fusion Drive has failed, but I am now 
running it from a 1TB LaCie external SSD .... and it is working well.

Earlier this year I purchased a little used 2019 27 inch iMac which is 
just about perfect, but it cannot run macOS beyond Sequoia. I am now 
selling it on eBay. Please would you tell your colleagues here; it may 
be of interest to one of them?

Thanks if you will. 🙂

-- 
Kind regards,
David

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#183911

On 24 Jun 2026 at 09:53:10 BST, ""David B."" <David@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> On 14/06/2026 09:06, Old John wrote:
>> On 14 Jun 2026 at 08:43:12 BST, "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 14 Jun 2026 at 07:35:19 BST, "Old John" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 13 Jun 2026 at 08:02:54 BST, "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> So, despite my efforts to investigate hidden headers, obscure Usenet
>>>>> behaviour, and possible Usenapp oddities, the culprit was my own Thunderbird
>>>>> installation all along!
>>>> 
>>>> I have never used Thunderbird. But it seems to me that in this case it
>>>> exceeded its authority.
>>> 
>>> I totally agree!
>>> 
>>> You are probably aware that such things have been known to happen before!
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE
>>> 
>>> Do you know what happened next?
>> 
>> Yes.
>> 
>> "My mind is going" was a very popular clip for shutdown of a Mac in the good
>> old days when such things were possible.
> 
> As you are aware, John, you are one of the few people here who
> correspond with me. May I ask a favour?
> 
> I'm writing to you now on my original 27 inch iMac which I bought brand
> new in 2017. The SSD part of my Fusion Drive has failed, but I am now
> running it from a 1TB LaCie external SSD .... and it is working well.
> 
> Earlier this year I purchased a little used 2019 27 inch iMac which is
> just about perfect, but it cannot run macOS beyond Sequoia. I am now
> selling it on eBay. Please would you tell your colleagues here; it may
> be of interest to one of them?
> 
> Thanks if you will. 🙂

Hopefully someone else will spot your post. But let's face it, this is NOT a
For Sale and Wanted board, and any such post would me massively OT.

Nor do I subscribe to a group on which it would be acceptable.

Sorry.
-- 
An infinitely complex system can fail in an infinite number of ways.

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#183912 — Thank you, John! 😊 (Was - Usenapp)

On 25/06/2026 07:44, Old John wrote:
> On 24 Jun 2026 at 09:53:10 BST, ""David B."" <David@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 14/06/2026 09:06, Old John wrote:
>>> On 14 Jun 2026 at 08:43:12 BST, "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14 Jun 2026 at 07:35:19 BST, "Old John" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 13 Jun 2026 at 08:02:54 BST, "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, despite my efforts to investigate hidden headers, obscure Usenet
>>>>>> behaviour, and possible Usenapp oddities, the culprit was my own Thunderbird
>>>>>> installation all along!
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never used Thunderbird. But it seems to me that in this case it
>>>>> exceeded its authority.
>>>>
>>>> I totally agree!
>>>>
>>>> You are probably aware that such things have been known to happen before!
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE
>>>>
>>>> Do you know what happened next?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> "My mind is going" was a very popular clip for shutdown of a Mac in the good
>>> old days when such things were possible.
>>
>> As you are aware, John, you are one of the few people here who
>> correspond with me. May I ask a favour?
>>
>> I'm writing to you now on my original 27 inch iMac which I bought brand
>> new in 2017. The SSD part of my Fusion Drive has failed, but I am now
>> running it from a 1TB LaCie external SSD .... and it is working well.
>>
>> Earlier this year I purchased a little used 2019 27 inch iMac which is
>> just about perfect, but it cannot run macOS beyond Sequoia. I am now
>> selling it on eBay. Please would you tell your colleagues here; it may
>> be of interest to one of them?
>>
>> Thanks if you will. 🙂
> 
> Hopefully someone else will spot your post. But let's face it, this is NOT a
> For Sale and Wanted board, and any such post would me massively OT.
> 
> Nor do I subscribe to a group on which it would be acceptable.
> 
> Sorry.

No worries!

I very much appreciate your reply, John.

Thank you.

-- 
Kind regards,
David

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#183914 — Re: Thank you, John! 😊 (Was - Usenapp) (was: Thank you, John! 😊 (Was - Usenapp))

On 25 Jun 2026 at 09:13:30 BST, ""David B."" <David@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> On 25/06/2026 07:44, Old John wrote:
>> On 24 Jun 2026 at 09:53:10 BST, ""David B."" <David@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 14/06/2026 09:06, Old John wrote:
>>>> On 14 Jun 2026 at 08:43:12 BST, "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 14 Jun 2026 at 07:35:19 BST, "Old John" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 13 Jun 2026 at 08:02:54 BST, "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So, despite my efforts to investigate hidden headers, obscure Usenet
>>>>>>> behaviour, and possible Usenapp oddities, the culprit was my own Thunderbird
>>>>>>> installation all along!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have never used Thunderbird. But it seems to me that in this case it
>>>>>> exceeded its authority.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I totally agree!
>>>>> 
>>>>> You are probably aware that such things have been known to happen before!
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you know what happened next?
>>>> 
>>>> Yes.
>>>> 
>>>> "My mind is going" was a very popular clip for shutdown of a Mac in the good
>>>> old days when such things were possible.
>>> 
>>> As you are aware, John, you are one of the few people here who
>>> correspond with me. May I ask a favour?
>>> 
>>> I'm writing to you now on my original 27 inch iMac which I bought brand
>>> new in 2017. The SSD part of my Fusion Drive has failed, but I am now
>>> running it from a 1TB LaCie external SSD .... and it is working well.
>>> 
>>> Earlier this year I purchased a little used 2019 27 inch iMac which is
>>> just about perfect, but it cannot run macOS beyond Sequoia. I am now
>>> selling it on eBay. Please would you tell your colleagues here; it may
>>> be of interest to one of them?
>>> 
>>> Thanks if you will. 🙂
>> 
>> Hopefully someone else will spot your post. But let's face it, this is NOT a
>> For Sale and Wanted board, and any such post would me massively OT.
>> 
>> Nor do I subscribe to a group on which it would be acceptable.
>> 
>> Sorry.
> 
> No worries!
> 
> I very much appreciate your reply, John.
> 
> Thank you.

I don't know if this would be of any help.

https://www.macworld.com/article/670942/how-to-sell-a-mac-or-macbook.html?aid=29551874&huid=


-- 
Classic computing: Computers do what you tell them to do,
not what you want them to do.
Modern computing: Computers do what they want to do,
no matter what you tell them to do.

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#183915 — Re: Thank you, John! 😊 (Was - Usenapp)

On 25/06/2026 16:26, Old John wrote:
> On 25 Jun 2026 at 09:13:30 BST, ""David B."" <David@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 25/06/2026 07:44, Old John wrote:
>>> On 24 Jun 2026 at 09:53:10 BST, ""David B."" <David@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14/06/2026 09:06, Old John wrote:
>>>>> On 14 Jun 2026 at 08:43:12 BST, "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14 Jun 2026 at 07:35:19 BST, "Old John" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 13 Jun 2026 at 08:02:54 BST, "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, despite my efforts to investigate hidden headers, obscure Usenet
>>>>>>>> behaviour, and possible Usenapp oddities, the culprit was my own Thunderbird
>>>>>>>> installation all along!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have never used Thunderbird. But it seems to me that in this case it
>>>>>>> exceeded its authority.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I totally agree!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are probably aware that such things have been known to happen before!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you know what happened next?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> "My mind is going" was a very popular clip for shutdown of a Mac in the good
>>>>> old days when such things were possible.
>>>>
>>>> As you are aware, John, you are one of the few people here who
>>>> correspond with me. May I ask a favour?
>>>>
>>>> I'm writing to you now on my original 27 inch iMac which I bought brand
>>>> new in 2017. The SSD part of my Fusion Drive has failed, but I am now
>>>> running it from a 1TB LaCie external SSD .... and it is working well.
>>>>
>>>> Earlier this year I purchased a little used 2019 27 inch iMac which is
>>>> just about perfect, but it cannot run macOS beyond Sequoia. I am now
>>>> selling it on eBay. Please would you tell your colleagues here; it may
>>>> be of interest to one of them?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks if you will. 🙂
>>>
>>> Hopefully someone else will spot your post. But let's face it, this is NOT a
>>> For Sale and Wanted board, and any such post would me massively OT.
>>>
>>> Nor do I subscribe to a group on which it would be acceptable.
>>>
>>> Sorry.
>>
>> No worries!
>>
>> I very much appreciate your reply, John.
>>
>> Thank you.
> 
> I don't know if this would be of any help.
> 
> https://www.macworld.com/article/670942/how-to-sell-a-mac-or-macbook.html?aid=29551874&huid=

That is a very interesting and thought-provoking article, John.

Thank you, yet again!

Having had experience with a Fusion Drive on this, my current 2017 Intel 
iMac, I decided to carry out a procedure recommended by Apple. Such 
action destroys ALL data on  disk - both spinner and SSD.
Here's confirmation that the procedure was successful. Apologies for 
blurry photograph!

https://i.ibb.co/zh4jBnnv/IMG-0088.jpg
-- 
Kind regards,
David

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#183916 — Re: Thank you, John! 😊 (Was - Usenapp) (was: Thank you, John! 😊 (Was - Usenapp))

On 25 Jun 2026 at 18:34:42 BST, ""David B."" <David@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> On 25/06/2026 16:26, Old John wrote:
>> On 25 Jun 2026 at 09:13:30 BST, ""David B."" <David@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 25/06/2026 07:44, Old John wrote:
>>>> On 24 Jun 2026 at 09:53:10 BST, ""David B."" <David@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 14/06/2026 09:06, Old John wrote:
>>>>>> On 14 Jun 2026 at 08:43:12 BST, "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 14 Jun 2026 at 07:35:19 BST, "Old John" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 13 Jun 2026 at 08:02:54 BST, "David B." <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So, despite my efforts to investigate hidden headers, obscure Usenet
>>>>>>>>> behaviour, and possible Usenapp oddities, the culprit was my own Thunderbird
>>>>>>>>> installation all along!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have never used Thunderbird. But it seems to me that in this case it
>>>>>>>> exceeded its authority.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I totally agree!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You are probably aware that such things have been known to happen before!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Do you know what happened next?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "My mind is going" was a very popular clip for shutdown of a Mac in the good
>>>>>> old days when such things were possible.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As you are aware, John, you are one of the few people here who
>>>>> correspond with me. May I ask a favour?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm writing to you now on my original 27 inch iMac which I bought brand
>>>>> new in 2017. The SSD part of my Fusion Drive has failed, but I am now
>>>>> running it from a 1TB LaCie external SSD .... and it is working well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Earlier this year I purchased a little used 2019 27 inch iMac which is
>>>>> just about perfect, but it cannot run macOS beyond Sequoia. I am now
>>>>> selling it on eBay. Please would you tell your colleagues here; it may
>>>>> be of interest to one of them?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks if you will. 🙂
>>>> 
>>>> Hopefully someone else will spot your post. But let's face it, this is NOT a
>>>> For Sale and Wanted board, and any such post would me massively OT.
>>>> 
>>>> Nor do I subscribe to a group on which it would be acceptable.
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry.
>>> 
>>> No worries!
>>> 
>>> I very much appreciate your reply, John.
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>> 
>> I don't know if this would be of any help.
>> 
>> https://www.macworld.com/article/670942/how-to-sell-a-mac-or-macbook.html?aid=29551874&huid=
> 
> That is a very interesting and thought-provoking article, John.
> 
> Thank you, yet again!
> 
> Having had experience with a Fusion Drive on this, my current 2017 Intel
> iMac, I decided to carry out a procedure recommended by Apple. Such
> action destroys ALL data on  disk - both spinner and SSD.
> Here's confirmation that the procedure was successful. Apologies for
> blurry photograph!
> 
> https://i.ibb.co/zh4jBnnv/IMG-0088.jpg


Apple's procedure may be found here:-

https://support.apple.com/en-ie/102226

Quote:-

"These steps will permanently delete all data stored on the drives that make
up your Fusion Drive. Make sure you have a backup before continuing."

I then installed macOS Sequoia to the point of a new user seeing the "Hello"
screen!

Thanks for 'listening'! :-D

-- 
David

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#183854

On Jun 12, 2026 at 11:38:45 PM MST, "Old John" wrote
<110ittl$2o5ss$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 12 Jun 2026 at 10:15:33 BST, ""David B."" <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 12/06/2026 08:34, David B. got that the wrong way round!
>> 
>> I am *SO* sorry!
>> When I view your posts using Usenap, your name is shown as "Old
>> John". When I view the identical post in Thunderbird, your name is printed
>> as "John Hill".
>> 
>> That's how things actually are!
> 
> From about 1994, when uscm was founded (I joined it within a couple of weeks)
> I was John Hill. I put "John" manually at the end of the posts.
> 
> This held until a couple of years or so ago, when other Johns appeared. I got
> old and lazy. So I decided that I would do a bit of nymshifting myself and
> decided to become Old John, and not put my name at the bottom of each post.
> 
> It is just possible, then, that Thunderbird is picking up some relic of this.
> But the message headers of current posts clearly contain "From: Old John
> <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk>" and do not contain "Hill".
> 
> I have no idea why you see what you see. But note the sig.

My guess is he has you in his address book and Thunderbird is showing the name
he has for you there.

-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

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#183856

Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in
news:6a2d7e4e$0$23$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com: 

> On Jun 12, 2026 at 11:38:45 PM MST, "Old John" wrote
> <110ittl$2o5ss$1@dont-email.me>:
> 
>> On 12 Jun 2026 at 10:15:33 BST, ""David B.""
>> <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: 
>> 
>>> On 12/06/2026 08:34, David B. got that the wrong way round!
>>> 
>>> I am *SO* sorry!
>>> When I view your posts using Usenap, your name is shown as "Old
>>> John". When I view the identical post in Thunderbird, your name is
>>> printed as "John Hill".
>>> 
>>> That's how things actually are!
>> 
>> From about 1994, when uscm was founded (I joined it within a couple
>> of weeks) I was John Hill. I put "John" manually at the end of the
>> posts. 
>> 
>> This held until a couple of years or so ago, when other Johns
>> appeared. I got old and lazy. So I decided that I would do a bit of
>> nymshifting myself and decided to become Old John, and not put my
>> name at the bottom of each post. 
>> 
>> It is just possible, then, that Thunderbird is picking up some relic
>> of this. But the message headers of current posts clearly contain
>> "From: Old John <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk>" and do not contain "Hill".
>> 
>> I have no idea why you see what you see. But note the sig.
> 
> My guess is he has you in his address book and Thunderbird is showing
> the name he has for you there.
> 

Your *guess* ?
David already posted that the address book was the solution.
And don't add to your collection of lies by claiming you didn't see the 
message because nobody blieves anything you post.

You really are a stupid twit, snit.

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