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  No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1 John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2025-03-11 01:21 +0000
    Re: No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1 Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-03-11 07:37 +0000
      Re: No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1 John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2025-03-12 05:23 +0000
        Re: No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1 Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-03-12 06:48 +0000
          Re: No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1 John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2025-03-12 12:36 +0000
            Re: No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1 John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> - 2025-03-13 11:57 +0000
              Re: No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1 TimH <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> - 2025-03-13 12:10 +0000
                Re: No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1 Alan B <user237@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-03-13 12:20 +0000
                  Re: No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1 Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-03-14 08:31 +0000
                  Re: No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1 John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> - 2025-03-14 08:38 +0000
                    Re: No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1 RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2025-03-14 09:28 +0000
                    Re: No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1 David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-14 10:00 +0000
              Re: No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1 Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-03-13 14:48 +0100
    Re: No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1 David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-13 10:03 +0000
    Re: No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1 "David B." <david_b.is@home.today> - 2025-03-14 11:38 +0000
      Re: No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1 Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-03-14 15:31 +0100
        Re: No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1 David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-14 15:37 +0000
          Re: No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1 John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2025-03-16 02:53 +0000
      Re: No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1 John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2025-03-16 02:50 +0000
        Re: No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1 David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-16 08:57 +0000

#180639 — No one else will be, so *I* am proud of my work today. Mini from14.3 through 14.7 to 15.3.1

   
   So, I've been putting it off for ages because I wasn't sure I could
restart the G.I.M.PS. (https://mersenne.org) program MPRIME inside the
Terminal once I had stopped it but today (actually, yesterday, Monday)
I upgraded my free Mini from 14.5-ish to 14.7 then to 15.3.1 which I'm
told (by the Software Update Wizard) is the latest OS. 

  It took a while. The 14.3 to 14.7 step went wonderfully. Not a
single issue but the 15.3.1 step was a bugger. The download took
*hours* as the thing slowed my router down to a grinding halt. It was
like a 300-Baud modem at times. 

  Still, even the longest download eventually ends and this one was no
exception. The actual updating took about 30 minutes and some blank
screens but there was absolutely no problems. Not one. 

  Okay, maybe a littly one: "Apple Intelligence" wanted to run itself.
But even that was a simple "kill-it-with-fire" to make it go away. The
switch is *Click on the half-eaten-apple" at the top left edge of the
screen, then look inside the "System Settings", then under "Apple
Intelligence And SIRI" and it's a simple toggle. I'm happy with that.
I don't think Aplle could have made it easier. 

  And MPRIME? Well, it died with "segmentation fault" errors a couple
of times but I did manage to get it running inside a new Terminal
shell. I'm not going to investigate the errors, though I would have
when I was doing this for a living. I don't care enough. It's running,
I'm not about to fiddle with it. Truthfully, I know very little about
how MPRIME works so my fiddling about would be idiotic at best. :) 

 Conclusion? Apple have made some bloody *solid* software! I am very
positively impressed with how *easy* the process was. 

 And as the "Subject" line says, I'm rather proud of how well I
accomplished it. 

 I did good. Apple did gooder. My little Mini did very, very good. 

 She's an M1, so 15.3.1 might be the peak of upgrades for her. I'll be
more confident next time if it isn't. 

 Oh, and *no* I am not going to switch "Intelligence" on, ever. I just
hate the very notion of it. 

 But everything else seems to work, even BOINC. 

 My thanks to everyone on these Maccy Usenet groups who helped me over
the years. I would never have been brave enough to try this without
that. :) 

 Hold on ... Yerp, BOINC and MPRIME are still happily whirring away.
I'm pleased. :) 

                                                      J.    

   

  

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#180642

John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
>    
>    So, I've been putting it off for ages because I wasn't sure I could
> restart the G.I.M.PS. (https://mersenne.org) program MPRIME inside the
> Terminal once I had stopped it but today (actually, yesterday, Monday)
> I upgraded my free Mini from 14.5-ish to 14.7 then to 15.3.1 which I'm
> told (by the Software Update Wizard) is the latest OS. 
> 
>   It took a while. The 14.3 to 14.7 step went wonderfully. Not a
> single issue but the 15.3.1 step was a bugger. The download took
> *hours* as the thing slowed my router down to a grinding halt. It was
> like a 300-Baud modem at times. 
> 
>   Still, even the longest download eventually ends and this one was no
> exception. The actual updating took about 30 minutes and some blank
> screens but there was absolutely no problems. Not one. 
> 
>   Okay, maybe a littly one: "Apple Intelligence" wanted to run itself.
> But even that was a simple "kill-it-with-fire" to make it go away. The
> switch is *Click on the half-eaten-apple" at the top left edge of the
> screen, then look inside the "System Settings", then under "Apple
> Intelligence And SIRI" and it's a simple toggle. I'm happy with that.
> I don't think Aplle could have made it easier. 
> 
>   And MPRIME? Well, it died with "segmentation fault" errors a couple
> of times but I did manage to get it running inside a new Terminal
> shell. I'm not going to investigate the errors, though I would have
> when I was doing this for a living. I don't care enough. It's running,
> I'm not about to fiddle with it. Truthfully, I know very little about
> how MPRIME works so my fiddling about would be idiotic at best. :) 
> 
>  Conclusion? Apple have made some bloody *solid* software! I am very
> positively impressed with how *easy* the process was. 
> 
>  And as the "Subject" line says, I'm rather proud of how well I
> accomplished it. 
> 
>  I did good. Apple did gooder. My little Mini did very, very good. 
> 
>  She's an M1, so 15.3.1 might be the peak of upgrades for her. I'll be
> more confident next time if it isn't. 
> 
>  Oh, and *no* I am not going to switch "Intelligence" on, ever. I just
> hate the very notion of it. 
> 
>  But everything else seems to work, even BOINC. 
> 
>  My thanks to everyone on these Maccy Usenet groups who helped me over
> the years. I would never have been brave enough to try this without
> that. :) 
> 
>  Hold on ... Yerp, BOINC and MPRIME are still happily whirring away.
> I'm pleased. :) 

Well done that man :) Years ago I spent days messing with the Fibonacci
Series/Golden Ratio. It’s actually quite easy to generate the series  and
can be made to look pretty in a spreadsheet as successive pairs of n/n-1
converge to the Golden Ratio. But at the end of the day it’s just (1 +
SQRT(5))/2 

I hope 15.3.1 isn’t the end of the road for M1 Macs as my MBP runs
exceedingly and fast! 

Incidentally I know nowt about Yerp, BOINC and Mersenne although I think
Mrs B does.

-- 
Cheers, Alan

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#180646

On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 07:37:19 -0000 (UTC), Alan B
<alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
>>    
>>    So, I've been putting it off for ages because I wasn't sure I could
>> restart the G.I.M.PS. (https://mersenne.org) program MPRIME inside the
>> Terminal once I had stopped it but today (actually, yesterday, Monday)
>> I upgraded my free Mini from 14.5-ish to 14.7 then to 15.3.1 which I'm
>> told (by the Software Update Wizard) is the latest OS. 
>> 
>>   It took a while. The 14.3 to 14.7 step went wonderfully. Not a
>> single issue but the 15.3.1 step was a bugger. The download took
>> *hours* as the thing slowed my router down to a grinding halt. It was
>> like a 300-Baud modem at times. 
>> 
>>   Still, even the longest download eventually ends and this one was no
>> exception. The actual updating took about 30 minutes and some blank
>> screens but there was absolutely no problems. Not one. 
>> 
>>   Okay, maybe a littly one: "Apple Intelligence" wanted to run itself.
>> But even that was a simple "kill-it-with-fire" to make it go away. The
>> switch is *Click on the half-eaten-apple" at the top left edge of the
>> screen, then look inside the "System Settings", then under "Apple
>> Intelligence And SIRI" and it's a simple toggle. I'm happy with that.
>> I don't think Aplle could have made it easier. 
>> 
>>   And MPRIME? Well, it died with "segmentation fault" errors a couple
>> of times but I did manage to get it running inside a new Terminal
>> shell. I'm not going to investigate the errors, though I would have
>> when I was doing this for a living. I don't care enough. It's running,
>> I'm not about to fiddle with it. Truthfully, I know very little about
>> how MPRIME works so my fiddling about would be idiotic at best. :) 
>> 
>>  Conclusion? Apple have made some bloody *solid* software! I am very
>> positively impressed with how *easy* the process was. 
>> 
>>  And as the "Subject" line says, I'm rather proud of how well I
>> accomplished it. 
>> 
>>  I did good. Apple did gooder. My little Mini did very, very good. 
>> 
>>  She's an M1, so 15.3.1 might be the peak of upgrades for her. I'll be
>> more confident next time if it isn't. 
>> 
>>  Oh, and *no* I am not going to switch "Intelligence" on, ever. I just
>> hate the very notion of it. 
>> 
>>  But everything else seems to work, even BOINC. 
>> 
>>  My thanks to everyone on these Maccy Usenet groups who helped me over
>> the years. I would never have been brave enough to try this without
>> that. :) 
>> 
>>  Hold on ... Yerp, BOINC and MPRIME are still happily whirring away.
>> I'm pleased. :) 
>
>Well done that man :) Years ago I spent days messing with the Fibonacci
>Series/Golden Ratio. It’s actually quite easy to generate the series  and
>can be made to look pretty in a spreadsheet as successive pairs of n/n-1
>converge to the Golden Ratio. But at the end of the day it’s just (1 +
>SQRT(5))/2 
>
>I hope 15.3.1 isn’t the end of the road for M1 Macs as my MBP runs
>exceedingly and fast! 
>
>Incidentally I know nowt about Yerp, BOINC and Mersenne although I think
>Mrs B does.

 Ooopsie. "Yerp" is a USAlienism for the English affirmative "yes",
not yet another weird software. Sorry. 

 "BOINC" is an umbrella thingy for a distributed computing effort that
uses home machines to emulate a vast supercomputer that runs cancer
studies, earthquake prediction models, S.E.T.I. studies (not now, not
since Arecibo died a little)
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=13468  and a
variety of other good works. I'm currently helping to analyse S.A.R.S.
and some other stuff that I see as worthy. https://boinc.berkeley.edu
for the BOINC main home page. 

 G.I.M.P.S. is the search for Mersenne Primes, prime integers of the
form ((two-to-the-power-of-a-prime-number)-minus-one) ((2^P)-1). So
far as I know, they have absolutely no use whatsoever nor does there
seem to be any useful pattern to their occurrence in the sequence of
integers. So why look for them? Well, why not? It's a Maths thing I
can contribute to, it's relatively easy for me and there is the
completely unlikely chance of me spotting one. Meanwhile, I have this
box sitting there, donated from a relative, not doing very much when
I'm elsewhere doing Life stuff so why not contribute a little to the
vast and ever-increasing pool of Human Knowledge? So far, I have
*eliminated* lots of numbers, I have proved them *not* to be Primes,
Mersenne or otherwise, which is a good contribution. At least *I*
think it is. Http://mersenne.org for the homepage. 

 Truthfully, I set up SETI@HOME from BOINC for my wife many years ago,
found Mersenne and set that up for her, too and have continued out of
mawkish sentimentality more than anything else but that, too, is a
valid reason. 

 She liked SETI@HOME. She thought the screensavers were pretty. :)

 Anyway, the relative who donated her Mini to me couldn't use her so
she offered it to someone who had a purpose for her. As an additional
bonus, she helps to keep the front room from freezing. :)

 Apple-juices for the confusion and I hope this helps. 

 Just as a reassurance, I checked and the Mini is running both GIMPS
and BOINC fully well. She also has informed me of two offered updates:
GarageBand, which I didn't know I still had on the Mini, and an OS
update to 15.3.2 which, again, I think I'll procrastinate over. 

 Have a lovely day, and hug Mrs. B., 

                                                   J.  

                            

                                                          J.  

 

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#180647

John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

[snip]

>  "BOINC" is an umbrella thingy for a distributed computing effort that
> uses home machines to emulate a vast supercomputer that runs cancer
> studies, earthquake prediction models, S.E.T.I. studies (not now, not
> since Arecibo died a little)
> https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=13468  and a
> variety of other good works. I'm currently helping to analyse S.A.R.S.
> and some other stuff that I see as worthy. https://boinc.berkeley.edu
> for the BOINC main home page. 
> 
>  G.I.M.P.S. is the search for Mersenne Primes, prime integers of the
> form ((two-to-the-power-of-a-prime-number)-minus-one) ((2^P)-1). So
> far as I know, they have absolutely no use whatsoever nor does there
> seem to be any useful pattern to their occurrence in the sequence of
> integers. So why look for them? Well, why not? It's a Maths thing I
> can contribute to, it's relatively easy for me and there is the
> completely unlikely chance of me spotting one. Meanwhile, I have this
> box sitting there, donated from a relative, not doing very much when
> I'm elsewhere doing Life stuff so why not contribute a little to the
> vast and ever-increasing pool of Human Knowledge? So far, I have
> *eliminated* lots of numbers, I have proved them *not* to be Primes,
> Mersenne or otherwise, which is a good contribution. At least *I*
> think it is. Http://mersenne.org for the homepage. 
> 
>  Truthfully, I set up SETI@HOME from BOINC for my wife many years ago,
> found Mersenne and set that up for her, too and have continued out of
> mawkish sentimentality more than anything else but that, too, is a
> valid reason. 
> 
>  She liked SETI@HOME. She thought the screensavers were pretty. :)
> 
>  Anyway, the relative who donated her Mini to me couldn't use her so
> she offered it to someone who had a purpose for her. As an additional
> bonus, she helps to keep the front room from freezing. :)
> 
>  Apple-juices for the confusion and I hope this helps. 
> 
>  Just as a reassurance, I checked and the Mini is running both GIMPS
> and BOINC fully well. She also has informed me of two offered updates:
> GarageBand, which I didn't know I still had on the Mini, and an OS

Thanks for info on GIMPS (not to be confused with The GIMP graphics tool!)
and BOINC.

> update to 15.3.2 which, again, I think I'll procrastinate over. 

You may find it turns Apple Intelligence back on but no other  issues so
far. You can read about its security fixes here:

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/122283>

-- 
Cheers, Alan

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#180650

On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 06:48:54 -0000 (UTC), Alan B
<alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
>

  <<snipped>>
 
>>  Just as a reassurance, I checked and the Mini is running both GIMPS
>> and BOINC fully well. She also has informed me of two offered updates:
>> GarageBand, which I didn't know I still had on the Mini, and an OS
>
>Thanks for info on GIMPS (not to be confused with The GIMP graphics tool!)

 Nah, entirely different. The Mersenne one started as a program called
Prime95 running under Windows in about 1995 (Hey! That's a weird
coincidence!). They used the abbreviation for their website and the
project as a whole. I've been running Prime95 since it started.
SETI@HOME, too. 

 I've never used the Mac graphics tool. I've never needed it. On my
Windows machines I've always had IrfanView and PSP5 (Paint Shop Pro
version 5). Both are now exceedingly elderly but they do what I have
so far needed. I think I had both on my original Win-3.1 box.   

 Oh, my IrfanView is up-to-date and 64-bit and registered to me.
That's cool. My PSP5 is hugely out-of-date and I don't think it
*needed* to be registered when I got it but there are updates. Lots
and lots of them. :) 

 I really should check these things. 

>and BOINC.

 I have a hidden motive: I'm trying to surreptitiously recruit
recruits to the ranks of users and contributors. so far, I don't think
it has *ever* worked. :)

 (I had a strange dream wherein *I* was recruited into an Army. I got
lost and was taken on a ride on a helicopter gunship. According to the
physics in the dream, those buggers are *huge* and loud and get thrown
around the sky like balloons in a tornado. I survived the experience
and eventually found one of "my" group. The base was vast and there
was a permanent over-hanging wave of sea-water. I think this is
possibly off-topic a little. :) )  

>
>> update to 15.3.2 which, again, I think I'll procrastinate over. 
>
>You may find it turns Apple Intelligence back on

 Fine. I can deal with that. Thanks for the warning. Every update of
just about everything seems to fiddle with my personalised settings.
It's a paternalistic thing companies do. I just put stuff back the way
I like it. It's no big deal.  

> but no other  issues so
>far. You can read about its security fixes here:
>
><https://support.apple.com/en-us/122283>

 I used to but I haven't bothered since Snow Leopard. I haven't
bothered reading Windows' "fixes" since about then, either.
Eventually, you guys will find the flaws and failures if there are any
and I'll learn from you how to mitigate them. 

 It's nice to have everyone else do all of the heavy lifting. :)

                                                              J.  

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#180658

On 12 Mar 2025 at 12:36:40 GMT, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 06:48:54 -0000 (UTC), Alan B
> <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> John <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
>> 
> 
>   <<snipped>>
> 
>>>  Just as a reassurance, I checked and the Mini is running both GIMPS
>>> and BOINC fully well. She also has informed me of two offered updates:
>>> GarageBand, which I didn't know I still had on the Mini, and an OS
>> 
>> Thanks for info on GIMPS (not to be confused with The GIMP graphics tool!)
> 
>  Nah, entirely different. The Mersenne one started as a program called
> Prime95 running under Windows in about 1995 (Hey! That's a weird
> coincidence!). They used the abbreviation for their website and the
> project as a whole. I've been running Prime95 since it started.
> SETI@HOME, too.
> 
>  I've never used the Mac graphics tool. I've never needed it. On my
> Windows machines I've always had IrfanView and PSP5 (Paint Shop Pro
> version 5). Both are now exceedingly elderly but they do what I have
> so far needed. I think I had both on my original Win-3.1 box.
> 
>  Oh, my IrfanView is up-to-date and 64-bit and registered to me.
> That's cool. My PSP5 is hugely out-of-date and I don't think it
> *needed* to be registered when I got it but there are updates. Lots
> and lots of them. :)
> 
>  I really should check these things.
> 
>> and BOINC.
> 
>  I have a hidden motive: I'm trying to surreptitiously recruit
> recruits to the ranks of users and contributors. so far, I don't think
> it has *ever* worked. :)
> 
>  (I had a strange dream wherein *I* was recruited into an Army. I got
> lost and was taken on a ride on a helicopter gunship. According to the
> physics in the dream, those buggers are *huge* and loud and get thrown
> around the sky like balloons in a tornado. I survived the experience
> and eventually found one of "my" group. The base was vast and there
> was a permanent over-hanging wave of sea-water. I think this is
> possibly off-topic a little. :) )
> 
>> 
>>> update to 15.3.2 which, again, I think I'll procrastinate over.
>> 
>> You may find it turns Apple Intelligence back on
> 
>  Fine. I can deal with that. Thanks for the warning. Every update of
> just about everything seems to fiddle with my personalised settings.
> It's a paternalistic thing companies do. I just put stuff back the way
> I like it. It's no big deal.

I updated to 15.3.2 this morning and it did NOT turn AppleAI back on. First
thing I checked.

YMMV.

> 
>> but no other  issues so
>> far. You can read about its security fixes here:
>> 
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/122283>
> 
>  I used to but I haven't bothered since Snow Leopard. I haven't
> bothered reading Windows' "fixes" since about then, either.
> Eventually, you guys will find the flaws and failures if there are any
> and I'll learn from you how to mitigate them.
> 
>  It's nice to have everyone else do all of the heavy lifting. :)
> 
>                                                               J.


-- 
An infinitely complex system can fail in an infinite number of ways.

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#180660

On 13 Mar 2025 at 11:57:24 am GMT, "John Hill" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> I updated to 15.3.2 this morning and it did NOT turn AppleAI back on. First
> thing I checked.
> 
> YMMV.

Hmm. It did here. M1 Air.
-- 
TimH
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#180661

TimH <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> posted:

> On 13 Mar 2025 at 11:57:24 am GMT, "John Hill" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
> 
> > I updated to 15.3.2 this morning and it did NOT turn AppleAI back on. First
> > thing I checked.
> > 
> > YMMV.
> 
> Hmm. It did here. M1 Air.

M1 MBP here but I think John H has an M3 iMac. Maybe macOS is turning it on only  
for portables or just for M1 machines!!!! Whatever it’s easy to turn it off :)
-- 
Cheers, Alan

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#180666

On 13 Mar 2025 at 12:20:39 GMT, "Alan B" <user237@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
wrote:

> TimH <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> posted:
> 
>> On 13 Mar 2025 at 11:57:24 am GMT, "John Hill" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I updated to 15.3.2 this morning and it did NOT turn AppleAI back on. First
>>> thing I checked.
>>> 
>>> YMMV.
>> 
>> Hmm. It did here. M1 Air.
> 
> M1 MBP here but I think John H has an M3 iMac. Maybe macOS is turning it on
> only
> for portables or just for M1 machines!!!! Whatever it’s easy to turn it off :)

Actually I believe John has an M4 iMac - I'm very jealous ;-)

-- 
Cheers, Alan

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#180667

On 13 Mar 2025 at 12:20:39 GMT, "Alan B" <user237@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
wrote:

> TimH <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> posted:
> 
>> On 13 Mar 2025 at 11:57:24 am GMT, "John Hill" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I updated to 15.3.2 this morning and it did NOT turn AppleAI back on. First
>>> thing I checked.
>>> 
>>> YMMV.
>> 
>> Hmm. It did here. M1 Air.
> 
> M1 MBP here but I think John H has an M3 iMac. Maybe macOS is turning it on
> only
> for portables or just for M1 machines!!!! Whatever it’s easy to turn it off :)

No, it's an M4 iMac, Blindingly fast compared compared with my previous 2017
model. The most recent update said it would take about 20 minutes. In fact I
was up and runnig again in less thn five.

Old John.
-- 
God made the integers. All else is the work of man.

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#180668

On 14 Mar 2025 at 08:38:03 GMT, John Hill wrote:

> On 13 Mar 2025 at 12:20:39 GMT, "Alan B" <user237@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> TimH <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> posted:
>> 
>>> On 13 Mar 2025 at 11:57:24 am GMT, "John Hill" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I updated to 15.3.2 this morning and it did NOT turn AppleAI back on. First
>>>> thing I checked.
>>>> 
>>>> YMMV.
>>> 
>>> Hmm. It did here. M1 Air.
>> 
>> M1 MBP here but I think John H has an M3 iMac. Maybe macOS is turning it on
>> only
>> for portables or just for M1 machines!!!! Whatever it’s easy to turn it off :)
> 
> No, it's an M4 iMac, Blindingly fast compared compared with my previous 2017
> model. The most recent update said it would take about 20 minutes. In fact I
> was up and runnig again in less thn five.
> 

I recently bought a base model M4 Mini, replacing my last of the Intel iMacs.
Certainly snappier, but not that much difference for word processing,
browsing, etc.

That said, recently had occasion to shrink some video files - at about 700fps,
2 seconds for each minute of video. From memory that's about 6 times the speed
of the iMac. No fans, no fuss. Impressive.


-- 
Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

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#180670

On 14/03/2025 08:38, John Hill wrote:
> On 13 Mar 2025 at 12:20:39 GMT, "Alan B" <user237@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> TimH <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> posted:
>>
>>> On 13 Mar 2025 at 11:57:24 am GMT, "John Hill" <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I updated to 15.3.2 this morning and it did NOT turn AppleAI back on. First
>>>> thing I checked.
>>>>
>>>> YMMV.
>>>
>>> Hmm. It did here. M1 Air.
>>
>> M1 MBP here but I think John H has an M3 iMac. Maybe macOS is turning it on
>> only
>> for portables or just for M1 machines!!!! Whatever it’s easy to turn it off :)
> 
> No, it's an M4 iMac, Blindingly fast compared compared with my previous 2017
> model. The most recent update said it would take about 20 minutes. In fact I
> was up and running again in less than five.

That *IS* impressive! 🙂

FYI - in case you miss it:-

https://chatgpt.com/share/67d3f9a7-8fec-8013-a89f-b50bfb16a197

I'm pleased that you installed the update without difficulty.

-- 
Have a grand day!
David

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#180662

On 13.03.25 12:57, John Hill wrote:
> On 12 Mar 2025 at 12:36:40 GMT, "John" <Man@the.keyboard> wrote:
>>  Fine. I can deal with that. Thanks for the warning. Every update of
>> just about everything seems to fiddle with my personalised settings.
>> It's a paternalistic thing companies do. I just put stuff back the way
>> I like it. It's no big deal.
> 
> I updated to 15.3.2 this morning and it did NOT turn AppleAI back on. First
> thing I checked.

Is your machine capable of AI in the first place?

-- 
"De gustibus non est disputandum."

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#180656

On 11/03/2025 01:21, John wrote:
>     
>     So, I've been putting it off for ages because I wasn't sure I could
> restart the G.I.M.PS. (https://mersenne.org) program MPRIME inside the
> Terminal once I had stopped it but today (actually, yesterday, Monday)
> I upgraded my free Mini from 14.5-ish to 14.7 then to 15.3.1 which I'm
> told (by the Software Update Wizard) is the latest OS.
> 
>    It took a while. The 14.3 to 14.7 step went wonderfully. Not a
> single issue but the 15.3.1 step was a bugger. The download took
> *hours* as the thing slowed my router down to a grinding halt. It was
> like a 300-Baud modem at times.
> 
>    Still, even the longest download eventually ends and this one was no
> exception. The actual updating took about 30 minutes and some blank
> screens but there was absolutely no problems. Not one.
> 
>    Okay, maybe a littly one: "Apple Intelligence" wanted to run itself.
> But even that was a simple "kill-it-with-fire" to make it go away. The
> switch is *Click on the half-eaten-apple" at the top left edge of the
> screen, then look inside the "System Settings", then under "Apple
> Intelligence And SIRI" and it's a simple toggle. I'm happy with that.
> I don't think Aplle could have made it easier.
> 
>    And MPRIME? Well, it died with "segmentation fault" errors a couple
> of times but I did manage to get it running inside a new Terminal
> shell. I'm not going to investigate the errors, though I would have
> when I was doing this for a living. I don't care enough. It's running,
> I'm not about to fiddle with it. Truthfully, I know very little about
> how MPRIME works so my fiddling about would be idiotic at best. :)
> 
>   Conclusion? Apple have made some bloody *solid* software! I am very
> positively impressed with how *easy* the process was.
> 
>   And as the "Subject" line says, I'm rather proud of how well I
> accomplished it.
> 
>   I did good. Apple did gooder. My little Mini did very, very good.
> 
>   She's an M1, so 15.3.1 might be the peak of upgrades for her. I'll be
> more confident next time if it isn't.
> 
>   Oh, and *no* I am not going to switch "Intelligence" on, ever. I just
> hate the very notion of it.
> 
>   But everything else seems to work, even BOINC.
> 
>   My thanks to everyone on these Maccy Usenet groups who helped me over
> the years. I would never have been brave enough to try this without
> that. :)
> 
>   Hold on ... Yerp, BOINC and MPRIME are still happily whirring away.
> I'm pleased. :)

You SHOULD be on 15.3.2 ;-)

FYI, my real-life Ukrainian chum posted this question:- 
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256004656?sortBy=rank&page=1

HTH

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#180671

On 11/03/2025 01:21, John wrote:
>     
>     So, I've been putting it off for ages because I wasn't sure I could
> restart the G.I.M.PS. (https://mersenne.org) program MPRIME inside the
> Terminal once I had stopped it but today (actually, yesterday, Monday)
> I upgraded my free Mini from 14.5-ish to 14.7 then to 15.3.1 which I'm
> told (by the Software Update Wizard) is the latest OS.
> 
>    It took a while. The 14.3 to 14.7 step went wonderfully. Not a
> single issue but the 15.3.1 step was a bugger. The download took
> *hours* as the thing slowed my router down to a grinding halt. It was
> like a 300-Baud modem at times.
> 
>    Still, even the longest download eventually ends and this one was no
> exception. The actual updating took about 30 minutes and some blank
> screens but there was absolutely no problems. Not one.
> 
>    Okay, maybe a littly one: "Apple Intelligence" wanted to run itself.
> But even that was a simple "kill-it-with-fire" to make it go away. The
> switch is *Click on the half-eaten-apple" at the top left edge of the
> screen, then look inside the "System Settings", then under "Apple
> Intelligence And SIRI" and it's a simple toggle. I'm happy with that.
> I don't think Aplle could have made it easier.
> 
>    And MPRIME? Well, it died with "segmentation fault" errors a couple
> of times but I did manage to get it running inside a new Terminal
> shell. I'm not going to investigate the errors, though I would have
> when I was doing this for a living. I don't care enough. It's running,
> I'm not about to fiddle with it. Truthfully, I know very little about
> how MPRIME works so my fiddling about would be idiotic at best. :)
> 
>   Conclusion? Apple have made some bloody *solid* software! I am very
> positively impressed with how *easy* the process was.
> 
>   And as the "Subject" line says, I'm rather proud of how well I
> accomplished it.
> 
>   I did good. Apple did gooder. My little Mini did very, very good.
> 
>   She's an M1, so 15.3.1 might be the peak of upgrades for her. I'll be
> more confident next time if it isn't.
> 
>   Oh, and *no* I am not going to switch "Intelligence" on, ever. I just
> hate the very notion of it.
> 
>   But everything else seems to work, even BOINC.
> 
>   My thanks to everyone on these Maccy Usenet groups who helped me over
> the years. I would never have been brave enough to try this without
> that. :)
> 
>   Hold on ... Yerp, BOINC and MPRIME are still happily whirring away.
> I'm pleased. :)


Please read here, John:-

https://chatgpt.com/share/67d3f9a7-8fec-8013-a89f-b50bfb16a197

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#180672

On 14.03.25 12:38, David B. wrote:
> Please read here, John:-
> 
> https://chatgpt.com/share/67d3f9a7-8fec-8013-a89f-b50bfb16a197

In the meantime I have 18 identities for you nymshifter in my killfile.
Idiot!

-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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#180673

On 14/03/2025 14:31, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 14.03.25 12:38, David B. wrote:
>> Please read here, John:-
>>
>> https://chatgpt.com/share/67d3f9a7-8fec-8013-a89f-b50bfb16a197
> 
> In the meantime I have 18 identities for you nymshifter in my killfile.
> Idiot!

I'm *David*!

The _same_ guy - you can me look up on LinkedIn!

Would you like a link?

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#180686

On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 15:37:40 +0000, David <David.is@home.today> wrote:

>On 14/03/2025 14:31, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 14.03.25 12:38, David B. wrote:
>>> Please read here, John:-
>>>
>>> https://chatgpt.com/share/67d3f9a7-8fec-8013-a89f-b50bfb16a197
>> 
>> In the meantime I have 18 identities for you nymshifter in my killfile.
>> Idiot!
>
>I'm *David*!

 You're a lying, inconsiderate, obnoxious thug and you post under
"David.B", "David.Is" and a whole raft of other pseudonyms. 

>
>The _same_ guy - you can me look up on LinkedIn!

 

>
>Would you like a link?

 No. 

 Guess why? 

                                             J. 

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#180685

On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 11:38:59 +0000, "David B." <david_b.is@home.today>
wrote:

>On 11/03/2025 01:21, John wrote:
>>     
>>     So, I've been putting it off for ages because I wasn't sure I could
>> restart the G.I.M.PS. (https://mersenne.org) program MPRIME inside the
>> Terminal once I had stopped it but today (actually, yesterday, Monday)
>> I upgraded my free Mini from 14.5-ish to 14.7 then to 15.3.1 which I'm
>> told (by the Software Update Wizard) is the latest OS.
>> 
>>    It took a while. The 14.3 to 14.7 step went wonderfully. Not a
>> single issue but the 15.3.1 step was a bugger. The download took
>> *hours* as the thing slowed my router down to a grinding halt. It was
>> like a 300-Baud modem at times.
>> 
>>    Still, even the longest download eventually ends and this one was no
>> exception. The actual updating took about 30 minutes and some blank
>> screens but there was absolutely no problems. Not one.
>> 
>>    Okay, maybe a littly one: "Apple Intelligence" wanted to run itself.
>> But even that was a simple "kill-it-with-fire" to make it go away. The
>> switch is *Click on the half-eaten-apple" at the top left edge of the
>> screen, then look inside the "System Settings", then under "Apple
>> Intelligence And SIRI" and it's a simple toggle. I'm happy with that.
>> I don't think Aplle could have made it easier.
>> 
>>    And MPRIME? Well, it died with "segmentation fault" errors a couple
>> of times but I did manage to get it running inside a new Terminal
>> shell. I'm not going to investigate the errors, though I would have
>> when I was doing this for a living. I don't care enough. It's running,
>> I'm not about to fiddle with it. Truthfully, I know very little about
>> how MPRIME works so my fiddling about would be idiotic at best. :)
>> 
>>   Conclusion? Apple have made some bloody *solid* software! I am very
>> positively impressed with how *easy* the process was.
>> 
>>   And as the "Subject" line says, I'm rather proud of how well I
>> accomplished it.
>> 
>>   I did good. Apple did gooder. My little Mini did very, very good.
>> 
>>   She's an M1, so 15.3.1 might be the peak of upgrades for her. I'll be
>> more confident next time if it isn't.
>> 
>>   Oh, and *no* I am not going to switch "Intelligence" on, ever. I just
>> hate the very notion of it.
>> 
>>   But everything else seems to work, even BOINC.
>> 
>>   My thanks to everyone on these Maccy Usenet groups who helped me over
>> the years. I would never have been brave enough to try this without
>> that. :)
>> 
>>   Hold on ... Yerp, BOINC and MPRIME are still happily whirring away.
>> I'm pleased. :)
>
>
>Please read here, John:-
>
>https://chatgpt.com/share/67d3f9a7-8fec-8013-a89f-b50bfb16a197


 Can you *PLEASE* stop 'nymshifting? 

 Please? 

 Please? 

 Just to be nice, decent, kind and humane? 

 Please? 

 Oh, and NO I won't go see some drive-by malware-laden crap "written"
by a sorting algorithm with a broken weighting process running over a
copyright-violating look-up table. Why would I? Why would *anyone*
when the original, non-smooshed data are available on the Internet
without "A.I." "input" or corruption? 

 I've asked you politely to stop 'nymshifting. Are you ever going to
do it? Are you ever going to be a decent human being?

 Yes or no? 

 Let me guess, that would be a "no"? 

                                                   J. 

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#180687

On 16/03/2025 02:50, John wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 11:38:59 +0000, "David B." <david_b.is@home.today>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 11/03/2025 01:21, John wrote:
>>>      
>>>      So, I've been putting it off for ages because I wasn't sure I could
>>> restart the G.I.M.PS. (https://mersenne.org) program MPRIME inside the
>>> Terminal once I had stopped it but today (actually, yesterday, Monday)
>>> I upgraded my free Mini from 14.5-ish to 14.7 then to 15.3.1 which I'm
>>> told (by the Software Update Wizard) is the latest OS.
>>>
>>>     It took a while. The 14.3 to 14.7 step went wonderfully. Not a
>>> single issue but the 15.3.1 step was a bugger. The download took
>>> *hours* as the thing slowed my router down to a grinding halt. It was
>>> like a 300-Baud modem at times.
>>>
>>>     Still, even the longest download eventually ends and this one was no
>>> exception. The actual updating took about 30 minutes and some blank
>>> screens but there was absolutely no problems. Not one.
>>>
>>>     Okay, maybe a littly one: "Apple Intelligence" wanted to run itself.
>>> But even that was a simple "kill-it-with-fire" to make it go away. The
>>> switch is *Click on the half-eaten-apple" at the top left edge of the
>>> screen, then look inside the "System Settings", then under "Apple
>>> Intelligence And SIRI" and it's a simple toggle. I'm happy with that.
>>> I don't think Aplle could have made it easier.
>>>
>>>     And MPRIME? Well, it died with "segmentation fault" errors a couple
>>> of times but I did manage to get it running inside a new Terminal
>>> shell. I'm not going to investigate the errors, though I would have
>>> when I was doing this for a living. I don't care enough. It's running,
>>> I'm not about to fiddle with it. Truthfully, I know very little about
>>> how MPRIME works so my fiddling about would be idiotic at best. :)
>>>
>>>    Conclusion? Apple have made some bloody *solid* software! I am very
>>> positively impressed with how *easy* the process was.
>>>
>>>    And as the "Subject" line says, I'm rather proud of how well I
>>> accomplished it.
>>>
>>>    I did good. Apple did gooder. My little Mini did very, very good.
>>>
>>>    She's an M1, so 15.3.1 might be the peak of upgrades for her. I'll be
>>> more confident next time if it isn't.
>>>
>>>    Oh, and *no* I am not going to switch "Intelligence" on, ever. I just
>>> hate the very notion of it.
>>>
>>>    But everything else seems to work, even BOINC.
>>>
>>>    My thanks to everyone on these Maccy Usenet groups who helped me over
>>> the years. I would never have been brave enough to try this without
>>> that. :)
>>>
>>>    Hold on ... Yerp, BOINC and MPRIME are still happily whirring away.
>>> I'm pleased. :)
>>
>>
>> Please read here, John:-
>>
>> https://chatgpt.com/share/67d3f9a7-8fec-8013-a89f-b50bfb16a197
> 
> 
>   Can you *PLEASE* stop 'nymshifting?
> 
>   Please?
> 
>   Please?
> 
>   Just to be nice, decent, kind and humane?
> 
>   Please?
> 
>   Oh, and NO I won't go see some drive-by malware-laden crap "written"
> by a sorting algorithm with a broken weighting process running over a
> copyright-violating look-up table. Why would I? Why would *anyone*
> when the original, non-smooshed data are available on the Internet
> without "A.I." "input" or corruption?

There's NOTHING "Drive-by" about ChatGPT

>   I've asked you politely to stop 'nymshifting. Are you ever going to
> do it? Are you ever going to be a decent human being?
> 
>   Yes or no?
> 
>   Let me guess, that would be a "no"?

<shrug> That rather depends on you and whether or not you will have a 
civil conversation.

FYI .....

On 16/03/2025 00:12, Tyrone wrote:
 > the poster child for Asperger's Synrome

Absolutely! 🙂

Here's what I read about that:-

2. Strengths:

     Strong Focus and Attention to Detail: Many people with Asperger's 
are excellent at focusing on specific tasks or problems and paying 
attention to detail.

     Logical Thinking: They often excel in areas that require logical 
analysis or problem-solving, such as math, engineering, or computer science.

     Honesty and Directness: People with Asperger's tend to be very 
straightforward and honest, sometimes to a point of being blunt.

=

*That describes me perfectly*!

The fellow known as John Daniel *LIED* on LinkedIn

https://i.ibb.co/SDVrsdWh/John-Daniel.png

He also posted childishly here as "etresoft":-

https://i.ibb.co/spmGDdrF/Screenshot-2024-11-05-at-22-12-01.png

HTH

-- 
David
Straight and true - always!

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