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  Re: Howto: make Black Lives matter "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2016-10-01 13:44 -0500
    Re: Howto: make Black Lives matter Bud Frawley <bfrawl@aggregate.com> - 2016-10-01 15:57 -0500
      Re: Howto: make Black Lives matter "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2016-10-01 21:25 -0500
    Re: Howto: make Black Lives matter "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2016-10-01 21:38 -0500
      Re: Howto: make Black Lives matter "Hot-Text" <hot-text@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-03 22:20 -0500

#194 — Re: Howto: make Black Lives matter

"Dhu on Gate"  wrote in message news:nsngot$vvl$1@news.albasani.net...
>
> To correct this problem is simple, indeed elegant, in concept but more
> complex in execution: All fines levied by, or under authority, of the
> State should be levied IN HOURS OF CONFINEMENT or CORVEE' (unpaid labor
> for the State), allowing an exchange for a monetary fine on the basis of
> the convicted individual's net worth.

In places like Texas, prison work is mandatory and unpaid.

According the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, prisoners start their
day with a 3:30 a.m. wake-up call and are served breakfast at 4:30 a.m. All
prisoners who are physically able are required to report to their work
assignments by 6 a.m.

“Offenders are not paid for their work, but they can earn privileges as a
result of good work habits,” the website says.
https://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/faq/faq_cid.html#work

Most prisoners work in prison support jobs, like cooking, cleaning, laundry,
and maintenance, but about 2,500 of them work in the Texas prison system’s
own “agribusiness department,” where they factory-farm 10,000 beef cattle,
20,000 pigs and a quarter million egg-laying hens. The prisoners also
produce 74 million pounds of livestock feed per year, 300,000 cases of
canned vegetables, and enough cotton to clothe themselves (and presumably
others). They also work at meat packaging plants, where they process 14
million pounds of beef and 10 million pounds of pork per year:
https://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/divisions/finance/finance_ag.html

While one of the department’s stated goals is to reduce operational costs by
having prisoners produce their own food, the prison system admittedly earns
revenue from “sales of surplus agricultural production.”:
https://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/divisions/finance/finance_ag_what_we_do.html

Prisoners who refuse to work – again, unpaid – are placed in solitary
confinement. When asked if Texas prisons still employ “chain gangs” in the
FAQ section, the department responds, “No, Texas does not use chain gangs.
However, offenders working outside the perimeter fence are supervised by
armed correctional officers on horseback.” 

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#195

In article <lpmdne2Ed7CVmW3KnZ2dnUU7-RPNnZ2d@earthlink.com>, 
byker@do~rag.net says...
> 
> "Dhu on Gate"  wrote in message news:nsngot$vvl$1@news.albasani.net...
> >
> > To correct this problem is simple, indeed elegant, in concept but more
> > complex in execution: All fines levied by, or under authority, of the
> > State should be levied IN HOURS OF CONFINEMENT or CORVEE' (unpaid labor
> > for the State), allowing an exchange for a monetary fine on the basis of
> > the convicted individual's net worth.
> 
> In places like Texas, prison work is mandatory and unpaid.
> 
> According the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, prisoners start their
> day with a 3:30 a.m. wake-up call and are served breakfast at 4:30 a.m. All
> prisoners who are physically able are required to report to their work
> assignments by 6 a.m.
> 
> ?Offenders are not paid for their work, but they can earn privileges as a
> result of good work habits,? the website says.
> https://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/faq/faq_cid.html#work
> 
> Most prisoners work in prison support jobs, like cooking, cleaning, laundry,
> and maintenance, but about 2,500 of them work in the Texas prison system?s
> own ?agribusiness department,? where they factory-farm 10,000 beef cattle,
> 20,000 pigs and a quarter million egg-laying hens. The prisoners also
> produce 74 million pounds of livestock feed per year, 300,000 cases of
> canned vegetables, and enough cotton to clothe themselves (and presumably
> others). They also work at meat packaging plants, where they process 14
> million pounds of beef and 10 million pounds of pork per year:
> https://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/divisions/finance/finance_ag.html
> 
> While one of the department?s stated goals is to reduce operational costs by
> having prisoners produce their own food, the prison system admittedly earns
> revenue from ?sales of surplus agricultural production.?:
> https://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/divisions/finance/finance_ag_what_we_do.html
> 
> Prisoners who refuse to work ? again, unpaid ? are placed in solitary
> confinement. When asked if Texas prisons still employ ?chain gangs? in the
> FAQ section, the department responds, ?No, Texas does not use chain gangs.
> However, offenders working outside the perimeter fence are supervised by
> armed correctional officers on horseback.? 

thank's for proveing all republicon's want's to bring back slavery! in 
case you did'nt no most of the people in prison are black!when you force 
black's to work against there will it's a little thing called slavery!
maybe you heard of it in home school! thank's for calling for a return 
to jim crow!you people make me want to puke!

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#196

"Bud Frawley"  wrote in message
news:MPG.3259df23e885e4549897b4@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> thank's for proveing all republicon's want's to bring back slavery! in
> case you did'nt no most of the people in prison are black!when you force
> black's to work against there will it's a little thing called slavery!
> maybe you heard of it in home school! thank's for calling for a return to
> jim crow!you people make me want to puke!

Crops stretch to the horizon. Black bodies pepper the landscape, hunched
over as they work the fields. Officers on horseback, armed, oversee the
workers. To the untrained eye, the scenes in Angola for Life: Rehabilitation
and Reform Inside the Louisiana State Penitentiary, a documentary filmed on
an old Southern slave-plantation-turned-prison, could have been shot 150
years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ABpWhY5Xzk

Some viewers of the video might be surprised to learn that inmates at
Angola, once cleared by the prison doctor, can be forced to work under
threat of punishment as severe as solitary confinement. Legally, this labor
may be totally uncompensated; more typically inmates are paid meagerly—as
little as two cents per hour—for their full-time work in the fields,
manufacturing warehouses, or kitchens. How is this legal? Didn’t the
Thirteenth Amendment abolish all forms of slavery and involuntary servitude
in this country?

Not quite. In the shining promise of freedom that was the Thirteenth
Amendment, a sharp exception was carved out. Section 1 of the Amendment
provides: “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment
for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist
within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”
Simply put: Incarcerated persons have no constitutional rights in this
arena; they can be forced to work as punishment for their crimes.

Would it be preferable to pay them minimum wage, then dock them daily for 
room & board, resulting likely in a deficit at the end of their sentence 
they would be required to pay back?

I fail to see how people who are mostly unskilled and undisciplined and not 
ready for work are harmed by being given a skill and discipline and basic 
work skills. I would be in favor of forced education as well. 

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#197

"Hot-Text"  wrote in message news:nspq8l$lu$1@dont-email.me...
>
> So We Say In OklaHoma
> Well Don't The Crime It You Can't Do The Time

Prisoners Paid Nothing for Work in Oklahoma

by an Oklahoma prisoner
June 2011 permalink

I am writing about slavery in the prison system operated by Oklahoma
Department of Corruptions. Prisoners are classified by security levels 1-4.
Unless medically restricted, all prisoners must work. Jobs range from air
conditioned settings to outside jobs in freezing winter temperatures or 100
degree temperatures in summer.

Gang pay ranges from $14 on level 4 to zero on level 1. Level 1 prisoners
work just as hard as other levels, yet work for nothing. Prisoners get
write-ups if fired from a job or if they refuse to work. Among other things,
sanctions can include a $5 fine. For getting fired or a write-up, your level
gets dropped. Thus, level 1 prisoners get no gang pay and get fired. Your
fine is confiscated from any money your cash-strapped family sends you.

The cycle is vicious. The slave wages of nothing show just one of the
inequalities of Oklahoma's prisons.

https://www.prisoncensorship.info/article/prisoners-paid-nothing-for-work-in-oklahoma/

Also: http://tinyurl.com/h7cm75l 

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#198

"Byker" wrote in message
news:6MednSZ46de17m3KnZ2dnUU7-TnNnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> "Hot-Text"  wrote in message news:nspq8l$lu$1@dont-email.me...

       But I Am A Oklie slave

        For the prison system
        Operated by Oklahoma

      Yes But A Free Texas Voter

>> So We Say In OklaHoma
>> Well Don't The Crime It You Can't Do The Time
>
> Prisoners Paid Nothing for Work in Oklahoma
>
> by an Oklahoma prisoner
> June 2011 permalink

            O By The Way
          Oklahoma prisoner
         Can register to vote

           < Of 1979
                  7 3tx4s
          <  Of 1979
             A/F/C 10 to live

                 Kay Ok
     I Saw To See That Girl Nude
            Ponca City Oklahoma

> The slave wages of nothing show just one of the
> inequalities of Oklahoma's prisons.

          But About The Victims
          Who Do Have Rights

          < Free To Veto 1999

> https://www.prisoncensorship.info/article/prisoners-paid-nothing-for-work-in-oklahoma/

                 I Did my Time
                 For The Crime

              Who Give A Dam
             About The Victims
                       I Do
> Also: http://tinyurl.com/h7cm75l



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