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  A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 15:56 -0600
    Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-11 22:07 +0000
      Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 08:22 -0600
        Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-12 17:42 +0000
          Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 20:19 -0600
            Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-13 03:34 +0000
              Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 08:28 -0600
                Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 13:12 -0600
                  Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 14:22 -0600
    Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-02-11 21:46 -0800
      Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 23:08 -0800
      Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first Peter Lavington <peterlavington@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 23:57 -0800
        Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2016-02-12 08:44 +0000
          Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-12 02:07 -0800
            Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2016-02-12 11:36 +0100
              Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 04:05 -0800
                Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:28 -0500
              Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 07:23 -0600
                Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:43 -0500
            Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 04:52 -0800
            Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 07:23 -0600
              Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-12 06:40 -0800
                Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 09:04 -0600
                  define cOOlth noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 19:17 -0800
                  Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-13 05:17 -0800
                    Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 08:01 -0800
                    Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 15:23 -0600
                      Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-02-14 19:22 -0800
          Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 02:17 -0800
          Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-02-14 10:14 -0800
        Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 04:35 -0800
        Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-02-12 09:16 -0800
    Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 23:02 -0800
    A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 07:38 -0800
      Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 13:01 -0500
    Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 09:52 -0800
      Re: A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-02-15 11:07 -0800

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#552363 — A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first

A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first
> http://phys.org/news/2016-02-magical-space-time-ripple-wasnt-believed.html


> "It is seared in my brain," said Shoemaker, a top scientist at the
> Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and head of the Advanced
> LIGO Project, an international effort to uncover evidence of
> gravitational waves.
>
> Such waves are a measure of strain in space, an effect of the motion
> of large masses that stretches the fabric of space-time—a way of
> viewing space and time as a single, interweaved continuum.
>
> The "chirp," as Shoemaker described the long-awaited wave, had
> arrived while he was asleep.
>
> But since the data analysis works in quasi-real-time, scientists
> watching the data stream early in the work day in Europe saw it
> immediately.
>
> Two black holes spiraling into each other became a single black hole,
> and the joining of these two giants curved the fabric of space-time
> around them, ever so briefly.
>
> "When the signal finally got to the Earth on September 14 we knew
> within three minutes that our instruments had seen something really
> different," said Shoemaker.



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#552372

Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first

Give it a rest.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#552505

On 2/11/16 4:07 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
> Give it a rest.
>



   Hey, jimp, this is a really good article. Read it with enthusiasm.

   A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first
 > 
http://phys.org/news/2016-02-magical-space-time-ripple-wasnt-believed.html


 > "It is seared in my brain," said Shoemaker, a top scientist at the
 > Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and head of the Advanced
 > LIGO Project, an international effort to uncover evidence of
 > gravitational waves.
 >
 > Such waves are a measure of strain in space, an effect of the motion
 > of large masses that stretches the fabric of space-time—a way of
 > viewing space and time as a single, interweaved continuum.
 >
 > The "chirp," as Shoemaker described the long-awaited wave, had
 > arrived while he was asleep.
 >
 > But since the data analysis works in quasi-real-time, scientists
 > watching the data stream early in the work day in Europe saw it
 > immediately.
 >
 > Two black holes spiraling into each other became a single black hole,
 > and the joining of these two giants curved the fabric of space-time
 > around them, ever so briefly.
 >
 > "When the signal finally got to the Earth on September 14 we knew
 > within three minutes that our instruments had seen something really
 > different," said Shoemaker.

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#552554

Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/11/16 4:07 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>> Give it a rest.
>>
> 
> 
> 
>   Hey, jimp, this is a really good article. Read it with enthusiasm.

The title is puerile and the "information" is just a rehash of something
that has been in the mainstream media since before you started cut
and pasting every rehash of the event, spammer.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#552689

On 2/12/16 11:42 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> The title is puerile and the "information" is just a rehash of something
> that has been in the mainstream media since before you started cut
> and pasting every rehash of the event, spammer.
>



   Now, now, jimp, your *obsessive-compulsive* behavior is outta control,
   your *language inappropriate* and your absolute contempt and total
   disgust are addressed in these Anger Management classes. You, jimp,
   need these services:
 > http://yellowpages.com/rancho-cucamonga-ca/anger-management-classes


   A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first
 > 
http://phys.org/news/2016-02-magical-space-time-ripple-wasnt-believed.html


 > "It is seared in my brain," said Shoemaker, a top scientist at the
 > Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and head of the Advanced
 > LIGO Project, an international effort to uncover evidence of
 > gravitational waves.
 >
 > Such waves are a measure of strain in space, an effect of the motion
 > of large masses that stretches the fabric of space-time—a way of
 > viewing space and time as a single, interweaved continuum.
 >
 > The "chirp," as Shoemaker described the long-awaited wave, had
 > arrived while he was asleep.
 >
 > But since the data analysis works in quasi-real-time, scientists
 > watching the data stream early in the work day in Europe saw it
 > immediately.
 >
 > Two black holes spiraling into each other became a single black hole,
 > and the joining of these two giants curved the fabric of space-time
 > around them, ever so briefly.
 >
 > "When the signal finally got to the Earth on September 14 we knew
 > within three minutes that our instruments had seen something really
 > different," said Shoemaker.



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#552729

Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/12/16 11:42 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> The title is puerile and the "information" is just a rehash of something
>> that has been in the mainstream media since before you started cut
>> and pasting every rehash of the event, spammer.
>>
> 
> 
> 
>   Now, now, jimp, your *obsessive-compulsive* behavior is outta control,

The title is puerile and the "information" is just a rehash of something
that has been in the mainstream media since before you started cut
and pasting every rehash of the event, spammer.

Fuck off and die, shit head


-- 
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#552786

On 2/12/16 9:34 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Fuck off and die, shit head



   Now, now, jimp, your *obsessive-compulsive* behavior is outta control,
   your *language inappropriate* and your absolute contempt and total
   disgust are addressed in these Anger Management classes. You, jimp,
   need these services:
 > http://yellowpages.com/rancho-cucamonga-ca/anger-management-classes


   A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first
 > 
http://phys.org/news/2016-02-magical-space-time-ripple-wasnt-believed.html


 > "It is seared in my brain," said Shoemaker, a top scientist at the
 > Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and head of the Advanced
 > LIGO Project, an international effort to uncover evidence of
 > gravitational waves.
 >
 > Such waves are a measure of strain in space, an effect of the motion
 > of large masses that stretches the fabric of space-time—a way of
 > viewing space and time as a single, interweaved continuum.
 >
 > The "chirp," as Shoemaker described the long-awaited wave, had
 > arrived while he was asleep.
 >
 > But since the data analysis works in quasi-real-time, scientists
 > watching the data stream early in the work day in Europe saw it
 > immediately.
 >
 > Two black holes spiraling into each other became a single black hole,
 > and the joining of these two giants curved the fabric of space-time
 > around them, ever so briefly.
 >
 > "When the signal finally got to the Earth on September 14 we knew
 > within three minutes that our instruments had seen something really
 > different," said Shoemaker.


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#552864

On 2/13/16 12:59 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Fuck off and die, shit head



   Now, now, jimp, your *obsessive-compulsive* behavior is outta control,
   your *language inappropriate* and your absolute contempt and total
   disgust are addressed in these Anger Management classes. You, jimp,
   need these services:
 > http://yellowpages.com/rancho-cucamonga-ca/anger-management-classes


   A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first
 > 
http://phys.org/news/2016-02-magical-space-time-ripple-wasnt-believed.html


 > "It is seared in my brain," said Shoemaker, a top scientist at the
 > Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and head of the Advanced
 > LIGO Project, an international effort to uncover evidence of
 > gravitational waves.
 >
 > Such waves are a measure of strain in space, an effect of the motion
 > of large masses that stretches the fabric of space-time—a way of
 > viewing space and time as a single, interweaved continuum.
 >
 > The "chirp," as Shoemaker described the long-awaited wave, had
 > arrived while he was asleep.
 >
 > But since the data analysis works in quasi-real-time, scientists
 > watching the data stream early in the work day in Europe saw it
 > immediately.
 >
 > Two black holes spiraling into each other became a single black hole,
 > and the joining of these two giants curved the fabric of space-time
 > around them, ever so briefly.
 >
 > "When the signal finally got to the Earth on September 14 we knew
 > within three minutes that our instruments had seen something really
 > different," said Shoemaker.

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#552905

On 2/13/16 1:44 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Fuck off and die, cut and paste shit head



   Now, now, jimp, your *obsessive-compulsive* behavior is outta control,
   your *language inappropriate* and your absolute contempt and total
   disgust are addressed in these Anger Management classes. You, jimp,
   need these services:
 > http://yellowpages.com/rancho-cucamonga-ca/anger-management-classes


   A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first
 > 
http://phys.org/news/2016-02-magical-space-time-ripple-wasnt-believed.html


 > "It is seared in my brain," said Shoemaker, a top scientist at the
 > Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and head of the Advanced
 > LIGO Project, an international effort to uncover evidence of
 > gravitational waves.
 >
 > Such waves are a measure of strain in space, an effect of the motion
 > of large masses that stretches the fabric of space-time—a way of
 > viewing space and time as a single, interweaved continuum.
 >
 > The "chirp," as Shoemaker described the long-awaited wave, had
 > arrived while he was asleep.
 >
 > But since the data analysis works in quasi-real-time, scientists
 > watching the data stream early in the work day in Europe saw it
 > immediately.
 >
 > Two black holes spiraling into each other became a single black hole,
 > and the joining of these two giants curved the fabric of space-time
 > around them, ever so briefly.
 >
 > "When the signal finally got to the Earth on September 14 we knew
 > within three minutes that our instruments had seen something really
 > different," said Shoemaker.

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#552467

"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first
>> http://phys.org/news/2016-02-magical-space-time-ripple-wasnt-believed.html
>
>> "It is seared in my brain," said Shoemaker, LIGO Project, on an
>> international effort to uncover evidence of gravitational waves.
>> The "chirp," as Shoemaker described the long-awaited wave, had
>> arrived while he was asleep.
>>
>> Such waves are a measure of strain in space, an effect of the motion
>> of large masses that stretches the fabric of space-time—a way of
>> viewing space and time as a single, interweaved continuum.
>>
hanson wrote:
NOTHING moves in space-time. By definition. Space-Time is
an artificial mathematical conjured up construct, invented by a
Schmuck whose own inner imagination about the outer world
was as bent and twisted and bizarre as the one of the other Jew,
in Pablo Picasso's  grotesque paintings of the human face and body.
So much for Albert's Physics: Nothing but useless, loud & shrill
Jew propaganda.... Nothing wrong with that. It's the idiot goyim
who worship and  lick Albert's sphincter... ahaha.. ROTFLMAO!
>
If LIGO measured "ripples", then it simply measured a temporal
variation of an astrophysical event of a total mass [M], at a
distant [r ] away from LIGO, as it underwent a distance variation of
[dr] during a time span of [dt], which LIGO's instruments recorded
as a temporal off null position change [dr] during the time span of
[dt]... ...
It's a bit like a Seismograph's off zero swings during an earthquake.
>
This [dr/dt = GM/r^2*dt]  LIGO event shows 3 things:
1) How fantastically accurate and simple Newton's laws are.
2) How elegantly and precisely the LIGO folks constructed their
    machine, to be able to pick out this dr/dt signal from the
    overwhelming local noises. Kudos to them!
    (BTW. This LIGO event is a parallel analog to the
    dudes who do the same thing with light variations
    in their quest to see distant planets in the bright star light)
3) How useless and convoluted Einstein's relativity is... ROTFLMAO

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#552473

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 7:48:13 AM UTC+2, hanson wrote:
> "Sam Wormley" <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> > A 'magical' space-time ripple that wasn't believed, at first
> >> http://phys.org/news/2016-02-magical-space-time-ripple-wasnt-believed.html
> >
> >> "It is seared in my brain," said Shoemaker, LIGO Project, on an
> >> international effort to uncover evidence of gravitational waves.
> >> The "chirp," as Shoemaker described the long-awaited wave, had
> >> arrived while he was asleep.
> >>
> >> Such waves are a measure of strain in space, an effect of the motion
> >> of large masses that stretches the fabric of space-time--a way of
> >> viewing space and time as a single, interweaved continuum.
> >>
> hanson wrote:
> NOTHING moves in space-time. By definition. Space-Time is
> an artificial mathematical conjured up construct, invented by a
> Schmuck whose own inner imagination about the outer world
> was as bent and twisted and bizarre as the one of the other Jew,
> in Pablo Picasso's  grotesque paintings of the human face and body.
> So much for Albert's Physics: Nothing but useless, loud & shrill
> Jew propaganda.... Nothing wrong with that. It's the idiot goyim
> who worship and  lick Albert's sphincter... ahaha.. ROTFLMAO!
> >
> If LIGO measured "ripples", then it simply measured a temporal
> variation of an astrophysical event of a total mass [M], at a
> distant [r ] away from LIGO, as it underwent a distance variation of
> [dr] during a time span of [dt], which LIGO's instruments recorded
> as a temporal off null position change [dr] during the time span of
> [dt]... ...
> It's a bit like a Seismograph's off zero swings during an earthquake.
> >
> This [dr/dt = GM/r^2*dt]  LIGO event shows 3 things:
> 1) How fantastically accurate and simple Newton's laws are.
> 2) How elegantly and precisely the LIGO folks constructed their
>     machine, to be able to pick out this dr/dt signal from the
>     overwhelming local noises. Kudos to them!
>     (BTW. This LIGO event is a parallel analog to the
>     dudes who do the same thing with light variations
>     in their quest to see distant planets in the bright star light)
> 3) How useless and convoluted Einstein's relativity is... ROTFLMAO

============================
on that case i agree with Hanson 
with some reservation :

SR IA RIGHT !!!!!

GR  WITH ITS 'CURVED SPACE'
IS A BIG BULL SHIT !

one must be selective 

Y.Porat
===================================

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#552477

Hanson - can I just ask you a simple question - I'm just an ordinary guy who doesn't have a physics degree!

Are these gravity waves in the electromagnetic spectrum? If so, whould they be super long (or short?). If not, what is their carrier they move through?

Thanks

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#552478

Peter Lavington <peterlavington@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hanson - can I just ask you a simple question - I'm just an ordinary guy who doesn't have a physics degree!
> Are these gravity waves in the electromagnetic spectrum? If so, whould they be super long (or short?). If not, what is their carrier they move through?
> Thanks

I'm sorry. Hansen is having a meeting with his Mosad controller at the moment.

No, gravitational waves are not electromagnetic.
Unlike EM waves they have a wavelength grater than the size of their source.
E.g. binary stars are assumed to emit waves with wavelengths from about
10^11m to 10^14m depending on whether they are white dwarves or
massive black holes.

--
"Lewis' appraisal has indeed turned up one error, and suggested further 
sensitivity experiments, which have both ended up strengthening the 
robustness of the basic result."

Mwahaha. This gets to one of the most fundamental flaws of almost all 
climate deniers, the idea of robustness. Robust data survives if you find an 
error and fix it. Therefore, when the fundamental hypothesis is sound 
finding an error is not that big a deal and in fact most of the time 
correcting errors should strengthen rather than weaken any bottom line 
conclusion that aligns with reality.

Robust data also survives bootstrapping. If you start a temperature 
correlation in 1998 and end it in 2012 then you get one result. Start in 
1997 and you get a different result. A scientist would say, that looks like 
a noisy trend. Instead of focusing on any one result, measure the 
correlation for every fifteen- or twenty-year window starting as far back as 
we have data and see whether the average slope is significantly different 
from zero (that is pretty close to basic data smoothing, something about the 
1998 crowd particularly seems to miss). To find data points that 
particularly bias the conclusion, randomly remove points from the set and 
see how well the overall result holds up.

Legitimate data is robust. You can easily tell the difference between that 
and spurious conclusions with some basic tests that I almost never see from 
people who seem particularly motivated to deny warming.

-- Tim F, 10 Feb 2016,
``Responses to "Marvel et al (2015) Part III: Response to Nic Lewis"''
-- <http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2016/02/marvel-et-al-2015-
part-iii-response-to-nic-lewis/#more-19012>

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#552481

I think Hanson is just pointing out that if there are ripples in gravity field
that it is spurious to assume thst they are only consistent with relativity.
It may or may not be true that Albert first predicted but Ive never recieved
an explanation as to why these anomalies cannot occur in a Newtonian 
gravitational model.
The other thing that isnt clear is in some of the reports I have read it
says the one arm lengthened briefly, but the other  shortened!
How is that possible with a wave? For instance in water the up and down
motion is confined to the direction of travel. In a compression wave the
back and  forth is only in the direction of the wave. In emr the peakes and troughs
are perpendicular to direction of travel only. 
Yet these waves vary both in the direction and at right angles to direction of travel?

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#552483

On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 02:07:46 -0800 (PST), jay moseley
<jaymoseley@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I think Hanson is just pointing out that if there are ripples in gravity field
>that it is spurious to assume thst they are only consistent with relativity.
>It may or may not be true that Albert first predicted but Ive never recieved
>an explanation as to why these anomalies cannot occur in a Newtonian 
>gravitational model.
>The other thing that isnt clear is in some of the reports I have read it
>says the one arm lengthened briefly, but the other  shortened!
>How is that possible with a wave? For instance in water the up and down
>motion is confined to the direction of travel. In a compression wave the
>back and  forth is only in the direction of the wave. In emr the peakes and troughs
>are perpendicular to direction of travel only. 
>Yet these waves vary both in the direction and at right angles to direction of travel?

wait and see if the find out a cable was connected loosely...

w.

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#552486

wait and see if the find out a cable was connected loosely... 
------------

Except that the loose cable would precisely have to match the predictions put forth. Not to mention that the cable would have had to come loose at two separate facilities separated by thousands of miles at the exact same time

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#552574

On 02/12/2016 07:05 AM, HVAC wrote:
> wait and see if the find out a cable was connected loosely...
> ------------
>
> Except that the loose cable would precisely have to match the predictions put forth. Not to mention that the cable would have had to come loose at two separate facilities separated by thousands of miles at the exact same time
>
YOu say this because you are completely aware of all technical details 
of the LIGO experiment. Shit, HVAC you think LASERS are just a fraud by 
authors trying to get rich!

The supposed "loose cable" at the LHC was loose at two separate 
facilities, right? You are familiar with their technology too, right?

Bwahahahahaha! You are so ignorant HVAC!

The "technology" of plugging in your phone to charge it is beyond your 
education!

Dance kook DANCE!

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#552498

On 2/12/2016 4:36 AM, Helmut Wabnig wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 02:07:46 -0800 (PST), jay moseley
> <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think Hanson is just pointing out that if there are ripples in gravity field
>> that it is spurious to assume thst they are only consistent with relativity.
>> It may or may not be true that Albert first predicted but Ive never recieved
>> an explanation as to why these anomalies cannot occur in a Newtonian
>> gravitational model.
>> The other thing that isnt clear is in some of the reports I have read it
>> says the one arm lengthened briefly, but the other  shortened!
>> How is that possible with a wave? For instance in water the up and down
>> motion is confined to the direction of travel. In a compression wave the
>> back and  forth is only in the direction of the wave. In emr the peakes and troughs
>> are perpendicular to direction of travel only.
>> Yet these waves vary both in the direction and at right angles to direction of travel?
>
> wait and see if the find out a cable was connected loosely...
>
> w.
>

In both detectors, one in Washington, and the other in Louisiana

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#552584

On 02/12/2016 08:23 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 2/12/2016 4:36 AM, Helmut Wabnig wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 02:07:46 -0800 (PST), jay moseley
>> <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think Hanson is just pointing out that if there are ripples in
>>> gravity field
>>> that it is spurious to assume thst they are only consistent with
>>> relativity.
>>> It may or may not be true that Albert first predicted but Ive never
>>> recieved
>>> an explanation as to why these anomalies cannot occur in a Newtonian
>>> gravitational model.
>>> The other thing that isnt clear is in some of the reports I have read it
>>> says the one arm lengthened briefly, but the other  shortened!
>>> How is that possible with a wave? For instance in water the up and down
>>> motion is confined to the direction of travel. In a compression wave the
>>> back and  forth is only in the direction of the wave. In emr the
>>> peakes and troughs
>>> are perpendicular to direction of travel only.
>>> Yet these waves vary both in the direction and at right angles to
>>> direction of travel?
>>
>> wait and see if the find out a cable was connected loosely...
>>
>> w.
>>
>
> In both detectors, one in Washington, and the other in Louisiana

All the more reason the data could be just imaginary misinterpretation 
by gullible humans. We are talking about movement 1/1000 of the diameter 
of an atomic nucleus! Why are you so ready to believe any story the 
establishment dumps on you, yet you won't even look up facts they tell 
you are false. talk about gullible!



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#552488

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:07:50 PM UTC+2, jay moseley wrote:
> I think Hanson is just pointing out that if there are ripples in gravity field
==========================
why not dimples ??
-------


> that it is spurious to assume thst they are only consistent with relativity.
> It may or may not be true that Albert first predicted but Ive never recieved
> an explanation as to why these anomalies cannot occur in a Newtonian 
> gravitational model.
> The other thing that isnt clear is in some of the reports I have read it
> says the one arm lengthened briefly, but the other  shortened!

=====================
so what is better lengthening or shortening ?
if lengthening is good
then  immediately after that comes shoehorning so ??
there is a battle there 
and not any  United Nation  U N police 
to make some law and order there ?/!!
or may be  i t is there ??
now the question will be
the uniform color --of that police ??
we have to involve  poets in there !!??


===========================================
> How is that possible with a wave? For instance in water the up and down
======================
oh GOSH 
now we have a problem with wet water
in vacuum  as well ??
so help me God !!

TIA
Y.Porat
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