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Black holes don’t merge

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First post2019-01-27 04:28 -0800
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  Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 04:28 -0800
    Re: Black holes don’t merge "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 08:55 -0800
    Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-27 17:33 +0000
      Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 09:46 -0800
        Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 19:09 +0000
        Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-27 19:41 +0000
          Re: Black holes don’t merge "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 12:10 -0800
          Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 20:20 +0000
          Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 20:50 -0800
            Re: Black holes don’t merge pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-27 21:06 -0800
              Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 23:17 -0800
              Re: Black holes don’t merge Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-28 11:36 -0600
            Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 14:50 +0000
              Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 07:00 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 15:43 +0000
                  Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 10:41 -0800
                    Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 19:36 +0000
                      Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 11:56 -0800
                        Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 20:26 +0000
                          Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 12:37 -0800
                            Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 20:47 +0000
                              Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 13:12 -0800
                                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 21:53 +0000
                                  Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 15:04 -0800
                                    Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 23:28 +0000
                                      Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 15:32 -0800
                                        Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 23:35 +0000
                                          Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 15:52 -0800
                                            Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 00:19 +0000
                                              Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 17:02 -0800
                                                Re: Black holes don’t merge pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-28 17:25 -0800
                                                  Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 17:57 -0800
                                                    Re: Black holes don’t merge pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-28 19:10 -0800
                                                      Re: Black holes don’t merge "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 19:19 -0800
                                                      Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 13:00 +0000
                                                        Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 07:56 -0800
                                                          Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 16:55 +0000
                                                            Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 09:00 -0800
                                                              Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 17:23 +0000
                                                                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 09:35 -0800
                                                                  Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 09:43 -0800
                                                                    Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 18:04 +0000
                                                                  Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 18:04 +0000
                                                            Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 09:05 -0800
                                                              Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 17:23 +0000
                                                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 01:47 +0000
                                                  Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 17:54 -0800
                                                    Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 02:27 +0000
                                                      Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 20:11 -0800
                                                        Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 13:27 +0000
                                                          Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 07:53 -0800
                                                            Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 16:55 +0000
                                                              Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 09:15 -0800
                                                                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 17:23 +0000
                                                                  Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 09:32 -0800
                                                                    Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 20:32 +0000
                                                                      Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 13:30 -0800
                                                                        Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 13:35 -0800
                                                                        Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-29 21:46 +0000
                                                                        Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 21:46 +0000
                                                                          Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 14:05 -0800
                                                                            Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 22:58 +0000
                                                                              Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 21:30 -0800
                                                                                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 14:30 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 08:22 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 17:19 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 09:31 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 17:50 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Black holes don’t merge pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-30 15:36 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 16:46 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Black holes don’t merge pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-30 20:35 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 02:27 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-31 16:52 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 13:10 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-31 16:41 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 13:48 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 22:09 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 16:37 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: Black holes don’t merge pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-31 19:04 -0800
                                                                                                      Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 19:18 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 03:45 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Black holes don’t merge pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-31 20:29 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-02-01 16:15 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Black holes don’t merge "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-31 21:37 -0800
                                                                                Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-31 16:17 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 08:40 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 17:33 +0000
                        Re: Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-28 20:50 +0000
                    Re: Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-28 20:43 +0000
                Re: Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-28 16:39 +0000
            Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-28 16:32 +0000
        Re: Black holes don’t merge Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-27 22:58 -0600
    Re: Black holes don’t merge mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-27 13:44 -0800
    Re: Black holes don’t merge Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-29 10:33 -0600
      Re: Black holes don’t merge benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 13:51 -0500
    Re: Black holes don’t merge "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-30 13:24 -0800

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#725113

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-29 14:05 -0800
Message-ID<324a11fb-a984-482c-a173-cbea175bce03@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#725111
Odd
“He showed you a coffee cup. With an arm. Take away the arm. Now you just 
rotate the cup on the table, spinning it with your fingers. After 360 
degrees, it’s back to where it was. Now add the arm holding it. Now it 
takes 720 degrees. ”

Yes. Did you watch it?
I’ve been showing you this since forever.
It’s NOT just spin in one plane.
It’s a LINKED 1 to 2 spin in TWO orthogonal planes.
That’s how ALL my ‘spinny things’ like Michael calls the work.

You guys are dumb as a bag of hammers

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#725123

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-29 22:58 +0000
Message-ID<q2qlqk$19vo$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#725113
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “He showed you a coffee cup. With an arm. Take away the arm. Now you just 
> rotate the cup on the table, spinning it with your fingers. After 360 
> degrees, it’s back to where it was. Now add the arm holding it. Now it 
> takes 720 degrees. ”
> 
> Yes. Did you watch it?

Yes of course. I did the same demo to my wife years ago. 

> I’ve been showing you this since forever.
> It’s NOT just spin in one plane.
> It’s a LINKED 1 to 2 spin in TWO orthogonal planes.

No it’s not. Both rotations are about a vertical axis. There was no
rotation about any horizontal axis. I guess you didn’t understand what you
were looking at. 

Note that the vertical displacement with the arm is simply a function of
how our three joint system works (wrist, elbow, shoulder). Replace the arm
and shoulder with a garden hose between a hose bib and the coffee cup and
the same demonstration can be done in one plane, two turns with no vertical
displacement at all. I’ve done that one with my wife too. And on top of
that, you can leave the coffee cup sitting IN ONE PLACE, just spinning it,
and you’ll see the very same behavior. So you see, it has actually nothing
to do with the cup base traversing a circular path or moving up and down. 

And on top of it, you still haven’t answered the question of what serves
the role of the tethered arm of the tethered hose in the case of the
electron. Remember that it doesn’t have to do with the path of the cup.
Remove the arm or the hose and you can turn the cup ONCE in a circle and
return it to original state. So again John: what serves the function of the
arm or the hose in the case of the electron to give it the spinor behavior?

> That’s how ALL my ‘spinny things’ like Michael calls the work.
> 
> You guys are dumb as a bag of hammers
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#725150

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-29 21:30 -0800
Message-ID<377050bb-f071-4789-b09e-c9abe143ffe0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#725123
Odd
“So again John: what serves the function of the 
arm or the hose in the case of the electron to give it the spinor behavior? ”
The double precession, you more-than-dolt.
http://users.accesscomm.ca/sefton/2electronorbital.GIF

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#725184

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-30 14:30 +0000
Message-ID<q2scda$qp1$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#725150
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “So again John: what serves the function of the 
> arm or the hose in the case of the electron to give it the spinor behavior? ”
> The double precession, you more-than-dolt.

Again, I will remind you that the coffee cup WITHOUT THE MECHANICAL
CONNECTION of the arm or the hose does not exhibit the 720 degree rotation
symmetry. 

You are saying the 720 degree rotation is what serves as the mechanical
connection that produces the 720 degree precession symmetry. 

This is a little like observing something accelerating, asking what force
is responsible for the acceleration, and then replying that the observed
acceleration is responsible. 

> http://users.accesscomm.ca/sefton/2electronorbital.GIF
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#725200

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-30 08:22 -0800
Message-ID<e85dc02c-3597-4350-9dd5-32a81fcebd88@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#725184
Odd
“
This is a little like observing something accelerating, asking what force 
is responsible for the acceleration, and then replying that the observed 
acceleration is responsible. 

> http://users.accesscomm.ca/sefton/2electronorbital.GIF 
“
You can draw this on a sphere.
It’s one of Seifferts spirals.
It’s a linked rotation/precession.

The cycle takes two precessions to finish.

The orbit must ‘turn two times to finish turning once’.

I don’t know what blocks your tiny mind from comprehending this, but it’s not turn ‘as you know it’- in a single plane. It’s turn in two orthogonal planes where the frequencies are linked.

I know, you say something can’t rotate in two planes at once, but simple observation shows you to be wrong

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#725206

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-30 17:19 +0000
Message-ID<q2smas$gmn$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#725200
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “
> This is a little like observing something accelerating, asking what force 
> is responsible for the acceleration, and then replying that the observed 
> acceleration is responsible. 
> 
>> http://users.accesscomm.ca/sefton/2electronorbital.GIF 
> “
> You can draw this on a sphere.
> It’s one of Seifferts spirals.
> It’s a linked rotation/precession.
> 
> The cycle takes two precessions to finish.
> 
> The orbit must ‘turn two times to finish turning once’.
> 
> I don’t know what blocks your tiny mind from comprehending this, but it’s
> not turn ‘as you know it’- in a single plane. It’s turn in two orthogonal
> planes where the frequencies are linked.

Yes I know that’s what YOUR diagram is. 

My comment is that the coffee cup illustration of spinor behavior is NOT
that, as can be shown by running the same coffee cup demonstration in a
single plane, or in fact by running the coffee cup illustration while just
spinning the cup in place with a tethered hose attached. This proves that
the behavior is NOT the same as what your GIF depicts. 

Your response is, “But the motion in the demo LOOKS the same, so it must
have the same root cause.” And that’s a mistake, as I’ve tried to explain
to you. The spinor symmetry is NOT tied to the motion, but to you, how it
moves is everything. This is where you make a very pervasive and basic
mistake. 

As another illustration of this, you keep talking about torqueless
precessions, under the premise that if you can DRAW such a precession, then
it surely must be physically possible. And you completely ignore the LAWS
of physics that say this will never happen, even if you draw it. You don’t
know what’s CAUSING or constraining the motion or the behavior. All you
care about is what motions you can draw. 

> 
> I know, you say something can’t rotate in two planes at once, but simple
> observation shows you to be wrong
> 

A drawn trajectory does not mean that trajectory is exhibited by real
things in the real world, because real things in the real world are bound
by laws of physics. They don’t do all the things you can just draw. Get it?


-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#725211

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-30 09:31 -0800
Message-ID<3f9cc13f-fd56-4daa-b113-a03280ac3b96@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#725206
Odd
“And you completely ignore the LAWS 
of physics that say this will never happen, ”
Those laws are wrong.
Galaxies are clearly precessing.
So are Quasars.
There are none so blind....

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#725216

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-30 17:50 +0000
Message-ID<q2so5j$pbp$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#725211
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “And you completely ignore the LAWS 
> of physics that say this will never happen, ”
> Those laws are wrong.
> Galaxies are clearly precessing.
> So are Quasars.
> There are none so blind....
> 

Think about this for a second. 

The laws of physics are pillars of the subject, tested in experiment out
the wazoo. 

Now you come along, completely unread and uneducated in the subject and you
don’t even understand the language of the subject, and you say you can
explain something you find interesting as long as those laws of physics are
just disregarded or taken to be wrong. And so you say that they just should
then be declared wrong, to suit your uneducated proposal. 

Think that’s gonna fly?

Why don’t you try that in macroeconomics or chemistry? Just say you have an
idea and everyone’s standard beliefs that would rule out your idea are just
wrong. How about in biology or meteorology. Long live the uneducated
oddball who declares everyone wrong!!

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#725264

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2019-01-30 15:36 -0800
Message-ID<fe0af436-f556-4861-8af8-0154dbf434ac@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#725211
On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 9:31:43 AM UTC-8, john wrote:

Odd
> “And you completely ignore the LAWS 
> of physics that say this will never happen, ”

John
> Those laws are wrong.

This is an extraordinary claim, John, which therefore requires extraordinary evidence. Show us the evidence, John, or crawl away... again...

> Galaxies are clearly precessing.

Another extraordinary claim, completely unsupported by evidence.

> So are Quasars.

Yet another extraordinary claim, completely unsupported by evidence.

> There are none so blind...

... as John! 

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out...

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#725270

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-30 16:46 -0800
Message-ID<7fd1c1af-9fc8-453f-be24-66b206fea8ee@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#725264
Pnal
“Those laws are wrong. 

This is an extraordinary claim, John, which therefore requires extraord”
All it requires is to reject all the ‘extraordinary escuses’ for why Suck Gravity isn’t wrong. DE, DM, singularities etc etc. We are required to believe TOTAL SHIT so suck gravity won’t be wrong?
Fuck off.
Suck gravity is OBVIOUSLY wrong.
Don’t be an idiot for the rest of your life

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#725293

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2019-01-30 20:35 -0800
Message-ID<b3ac2c24-5e61-466f-a79d-2c7ec6027ed0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#725270
On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 4:46:35 PM UTC-8, john wrote:
> Pnal
> “Those laws are wrong. 
> 
> This is an extraordinary claim, John, which therefore requires extraordinary evidence”

> All it requires is to reject all the ‘extraordinary escuses’ for why Suck Gravity isn’t wrong. DE, DM, singularities etc etc. We are required to believe TOTAL SHIT so suck gravity won’t be wrong?

Evidence, John, evidence... if you want the world at large to believe what you say, you must have evidence to support your position, it is pretty much that simple...

> Fuck off.

I understand completely, John, your frustration with reality drives you to express yourself with vulgarities that cannot be explained by 'normal' folks. You've started out with nothing to offer here, John, and, my goodness, you still have most of it left!

> Suck gravity is OBVIOUSLY wrong.

Well, John, if it is so obvious, then you should have no problem providing the freaking EVIDENCE to support your own VERY tenuous position! Again, you've started with nothing and you still have nothing. Talk is cheap! Let's see the math! Let's see your "drawings"!

> Don’t be an idiot for the rest of your life.

... says the guy who has been an idiot since the very beginning. John, I've forgotten more physics than you will EVER know, and you are looking, to me, like the biggest clown of all time. Why would you want to be thought of like that?

Like a whole lot of others here, you don't have a clue now, John, and you've never had a clue. Basic reality. You wanna play with the Big Boys, you better have your facts straight, or you're gonna eat a lot of shit. A battle of wits with you is like having a battle with an unarmed person, it is just a slaughter.

"It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance." - 
- Thomas Sowell

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#725323

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-31 02:27 -0800
Message-ID<1c74a792-9b01-46db-aa28-a81dc429a288@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#725293
pnal
“.........”
Still no DM demonstrated, but pnal the sheep still believes in suck gravity.
Still no gravitons or any other means for Suck Gravity to work ever demonstrated but pnal, Odd, and Michael (are they different people, even?) STILL say “Baaaa!”.
Poor sheep.
Then pnal wants ME to show evidence?
Hahaha

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#725355

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2019-01-31 16:52 +0000
Message-ID<q2v946$rl5$4@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#725323
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>pnal
>"........."
>Still no DM demonstrated, but pnal the sheep still believes in suck gravity.

1950: "Still no neutrinos demonstrated, but the sheep still believes in neutrinos."
2010: "Still no Higgs boson demonstrated, but the sheep still believes in Higgs."

>Still no gravitons or any other means for Suck Gravity to work ever demonstrated
>but pnal, Odd, and Michael (are they different people, even?)

Are we going back to the "Everyone is a PD sock!!!" claim?

>Poor sheep.
>Then pnal wants ME to show evidence?
>Hahaha

This is a response to a different crank, but it applies to you here, John.
>> "The way our business works is that one who argues that a given model is
>> incorrect and proposes a new one to replace it must also propose an
>> experimental test that can clearly evidence the claims."

So where is your "experimental test that can clearly evidence your claims." ?

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#725336

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-31 13:10 +0000
Message-ID<q2us53$9j5$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#725270
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pnal
> “Those laws are wrong. 
> 
> This is an extraordinary claim, John, which therefore requires extraord”
> All it requires is to reject all the ‘extraordinary escuses’ for why Suck
> Gravity isn’t wrong. DE, DM, singularities etc etc. We are required to
> believe TOTAL SHIT so suck gravity won’t be wrong?
> Fuck off.
> Suck gravity is OBVIOUSLY wrong.

Show why it is obviously wrong. 

Note, asking a bunch of questions that come from the fact that you don’t
understand how it is possible, does not constitute a proof that it is
wrong. That would be assuming that everything that is correct is understood
by you, which is of course nonsense. 

So SHOW that “suck gravity” is wrong. 

While you’re at it, show that the attraction of static cling is wrong. And
that “suck magnetism” is wrong. 


> Don’t be an idiot for the rest of your life
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#725353

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2019-01-31 16:41 +0000
Message-ID<q2v8gl$rl5$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#725270
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Pnal
>"Those laws are wrong.

>This is an extraordinary claim, John, which therefore requires extraord"

>All it requires is to reject all the 'extraordinary escuses'
>for why Suck Gravity isn't wrong.

What 'extraordinary excuses'? Newtonian gravity is about 400 years old.
Einstein's GR is 100+ years old. Theories that have been used for that
long successfully all the time cannot be extraordinary.
But someone showing up shouting "Look! Precessing spinny things explain
everything!!!"  Now, THAT's extraordinary!

You may as well claim electricity doesn't exist, and any claim that it
does is extraordinary. I mean tiny particles that produce such forces
that can travel through solid metal, and can make a wire get so hot that
it glows? Extraordinary!  Umm, no, we've been using electricity for close
to 150 years now.

> DE, DM, singularities etc etc.

"Invisible heavy stuff" is hardly extraordinary. Singularities usually mean
that there are details we just don't know yet.

>We are required to believe TOTAL SHIT so suck gravity won't be wrong?

Nobody is 'required' to believe anything. I believe in Canada you can have
whatever religion you want, go pray to the Holy Precessing Disk if you
want. Just don't confuse your unsupported faith with science, and don't
think that people should abandon good astronomy to start bowing to the
Holy Precessing Galaxy.

>Fuck off.

THAT is the best you can do??

>Suck gravity is OBVIOUSLY wrong.

How can it be "OBVIOUSLY" wrong, if it has been predicting orbits of
planets and comets for 400 years, NASA can send space probes to the
outer planets and beyond using gravity boosts from other planets and
can send them from Jupiter to Saturn to Uranus to Neptune, all using
Newtonian gravity? What is so "OBVIOUSLY" wrong about that? Especially
when your alternate has already been shown that it just CANNOT work?

>Don't be an idiot for the rest of your life

Take your own advice, John.

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#725403

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-31 13:48 -0800
Message-ID<4929fd97-c3d3-4d1b-a538-ede3d82270dc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#725353
Michael
“How can it be "OBVIOUSLY" wrong, if it has been predicting orbits of 
planets and comets for 400 years, NASA can send space probes to the 
outer planets and beyond using gravity boosts from other planets and ”
Epicycles worked better than solar-centric for awhile, too.
Depends on how much money you can throw at something.
Obviously, if you never spend a dime making gasoline engines, horse-drawn buggies will continue to rule, Sheep#3 (Sorry, MM- Odd and Penile are Sheep#1 and Sheep#2- sorry...)

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#725406

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-31 22:09 +0000
Message-ID<q2vrnf$vvj$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#725403
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Michael
> “How can it be "OBVIOUSLY" wrong, if it has been predicting orbits of 
> planets and comets for 400 years, NASA can send space probes to the 
> outer planets and beyond using gravity boosts from other planets and ”
> Epicycles worked better than solar-centric for awhile, too.
> Depends on how much money you can throw at something.
> Obviously, if you never spend a dime making gasoline engines, horse-drawn
> buggies will continue to rule, Sheep#3 (Sorry, MM- Odd and Penile are
> Sheep#1 and Sheep#2- sorry...)
> 

I love the notion that if people throw enough money at your idea, then it
will end up doing a better job than current science. 

I have a thought: let’s pour a ton of money into Professor Harold Hill’s
“Think Method” for curing stage 4 cancer. Waddya say, yah bunch of SHEEP?

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#725423

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-31 16:37 -0800
Message-ID<d832dde7-5a16-4e84-9775-3f046921460b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#725406
Odd
“. Waddya say, yah bunch of SHEEP? “
Sheep #1 is talking to you guys, Penile and MMoron:
sheep’s # 2 and 3. What do you say?
Never mind- I know-  baaa!!

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#725442

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2019-01-31 19:04 -0800
Message-ID<7ae2b03b-f69b-464f-9e9b-94bbe28b5b85@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#725423
On Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 4:37:09 PM UTC-8, john wrote:
> Odd
> “. Waddya say, yah bunch of SHEEP? “
> Sheep #1 is talking to you guys, Penile and MMoron:
> sheep’s # 2 and 3. What do you say?
> Never mind- I know-  baaa!!

Talk is cheap, John, but evidence can be very compelling. Got Evidence?

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#725446

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2019-01-31 19:18 -0800
Message-ID<b4f6a47e-f438-473a-a8c5-e1e719066b1b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#725442
pnal
“Talk is cheap, John, but evidence can be very compelling. Got Evidence?”
Are observations evidence? Does it matter if others made them? Yes? No?
Okay, then: for the umpteenth time, the only explanation for asymmetrical galactic rotation curves (if galaxies don’t precess) is dark matter. However, it’s looking more and more like nobody can prove that dark matter exists.
Therefore, galaxies must precess.

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