Re: Black holes don’t merge

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Black holes don’t merge
Date	2019-01-30 17:19 +0000
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john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “
> This is a little like observing something accelerating, asking what force 
> is responsible for the acceleration, and then replying that the observed 
> acceleration is responsible. 
> 
>> http://users.accesscomm.ca/sefton/2electronorbital.GIF 
> “
> You can draw this on a sphere.
> It’s one of Seifferts spirals.
> It’s a linked rotation/precession.
> 
> The cycle takes two precessions to finish.
> 
> The orbit must ‘turn two times to finish turning once’.
> 
> I don’t know what blocks your tiny mind from comprehending this, but it’s
> not turn ‘as you know it’- in a single plane. It’s turn in two orthogonal
> planes where the frequencies are linked.

Yes I know that’s what YOUR diagram is. 

My comment is that the coffee cup illustration of spinor behavior is NOT
that, as can be shown by running the same coffee cup demonstration in a
single plane, or in fact by running the coffee cup illustration while just
spinning the cup in place with a tethered hose attached. This proves that
the behavior is NOT the same as what your GIF depicts. 

Your response is, “But the motion in the demo LOOKS the same, so it must
have the same root cause.” And that’s a mistake, as I’ve tried to explain
to you. The spinor symmetry is NOT tied to the motion, but to you, how it
moves is everything. This is where you make a very pervasive and basic
mistake. 

As another illustration of this, you keep talking about torqueless
precessions, under the premise that if you can DRAW such a precession, then
it surely must be physically possible. And you completely ignore the LAWS
of physics that say this will never happen, even if you draw it. You don’t
know what’s CAUSING or constraining the motion or the behavior. All you
care about is what motions you can draw. 

> 
> I know, you say something can’t rotate in two planes at once, but simple
> observation shows you to be wrong
> 

A drawn trajectory does not mean that trajectory is exhibited by real
things in the real world, because real things in the real world are bound
by laws of physics. They don’t do all the things you can just draw. Get it?

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 04:28 -0800
  Re: Black holes don’t merge "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 08:55 -0800
  Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-27 17:33 +0000
    Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 09:46 -0800
      Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 19:09 +0000
      Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-27 19:41 +0000
        Re: Black holes don’t merge "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 12:10 -0800
        Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 20:20 +0000
        Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 20:50 -0800
          Re: Black holes don’t merge pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-27 21:06 -0800
            Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 23:17 -0800
            Re: Black holes don’t merge Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-28 11:36 -0600
          Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 14:50 +0000
            Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 07:00 -0800
              Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 15:43 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 10:41 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 19:36 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 11:56 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 20:26 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 12:37 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 20:47 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 13:12 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 21:53 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 15:04 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 23:28 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 15:32 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 23:35 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 15:52 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 00:19 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 17:02 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-28 17:25 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 17:57 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-28 19:10 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 19:19 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 13:00 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 07:56 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 16:55 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 09:00 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 17:23 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 09:35 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 09:43 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 18:04 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 18:04 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 09:05 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 17:23 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 01:47 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 17:54 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 02:27 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 20:11 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 13:27 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 07:53 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 16:55 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 09:15 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 17:23 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 09:32 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 20:32 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 13:30 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 13:35 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-29 21:46 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 21:46 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 14:05 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 22:58 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 21:30 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 14:30 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 08:22 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 17:19 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 09:31 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 17:50 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-30 15:36 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 16:46 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-30 20:35 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 02:27 -0800
                Re: Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-31 16:52 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 13:10 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-31 16:41 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 13:48 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 22:09 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 16:37 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-31 19:04 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 19:18 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 03:45 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-31 20:29 -0800
                Re: Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-02-01 16:15 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-31 21:37 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-31 16:17 +0000
                Re: Black holes don’t merge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 08:40 -0800
                Re: Black holes don’t merge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 17:33 +0000
                Re: Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-28 20:50 +0000
                Re: Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-28 20:43 +0000
              Re: Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-28 16:39 +0000
          Re: Black holes don’t merge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-28 16:32 +0000
      Re: Black holes don’t merge Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-27 22:58 -0600
  Re: Black holes don’t merge mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-27 13:44 -0800
  Re: Black holes don’t merge Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-29 10:33 -0600
    Re: Black holes don’t merge benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 13:51 -0500
  Re: Black holes don’t merge "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-30 13:24 -0800

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