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| Started by | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-12-07 15:42 -0800 |
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Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-07 15:42 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-07 21:52 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-07 23:31 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 05:06 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 04:52 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 13:43 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 06:12 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 14:15 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 06:16 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 06:29 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 08:03 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 16:27 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 09:10 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 17:50 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 10:21 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 10:27 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 19:15 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 14:59 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 23:39 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 16:19 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-09 01:15 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 12:52 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 14:42 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 15:15 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-09 12:03 +0100
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 05:39 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 14:14 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 06:40 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-09 17:42 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-09 17:25 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-09 21:28 +0100
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-10 05:57 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 01:32 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-11 05:37 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 01:30 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 12:55 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 06:02 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 18:05 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 11:55 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 20:31 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 13:25 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-11 22:11 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 14:23 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 14:28 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 13:53 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 09:58 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 18:25 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-12 19:39 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 15:00 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 23:29 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-12 18:36 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 21:46 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-12 21:54 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-13 04:44 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-13 13:44 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-13 18:39 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-13 06:17 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-12 06:00 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 04:49 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 13:40 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 13:53 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-11 14:25 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 07:46 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-12 00:02 +0100
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 18:19 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-12 19:26 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-12 13:36 -0600
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-11 23:30 +0100
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 14:37 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-11 23:51 +0100
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 15:03 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-11 21:03 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 19:15 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 03:32 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 23:57 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 02:33 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 12:52 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 08:05 -0800
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 16:27 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 16:23 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-08 18:30 +0000
Re: Larger Planetary Bodies poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-08 17:16 -0800
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-12 13:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pur3tf$p0n$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #717731 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “splutter word salad > using various terms you think you’ve heard somewhere but it all seems like ” > I’m happier and happier with my model. And who cares? What counts is whether anyone else is happier and happier with your model. Your happiness is fed by self-delusion. How can that possibly matter?? > How’s urs doing? How’s that Dark Matter idea faring? It’s under active investigation. Active investigation is fun. > Good luck with that > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 14:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <puohcc$1g7$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #717658 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >"Perhaps a new and different seam for a baseball, for example? >Maybe art?? " >Or, hey, maybe Science will realize that electrons are actual physical >objects that have trajectories. They CAN have trajectories when unbound. >TV tubes take advantage of this aspect about electrons to make images. >Funny how they're suddenly not wandering randomly then! Funny how they are being CONTROLLED by electric and magnetic fields at the time. Funny how they act like a wave under some circumstances and as a particle under others. Funny how the Uncertainty Principle works for these electrons in the TV tube, just as it forbids electrons following distinct teeny tiny paths around the nucleus of an atom. Funny how you don't understand a word of what I just wrote.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 07:46 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <dd396d6b-6916-4a52-a24c-0f055c3b47cf@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #717667 |
MM “Funny how they are being CONTROLLED by electric and magnetic fields at the time. ” Oh, and electrons outside of the atom aren’t? Where do those fields come from, in the atom? The other electrons do nothing? You are so far away from understanding anything, Michael!
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2018-12-12 00:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <45d21d5a-2c8d-3a86-5b35-51411e526b46@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #717679 |
[Learn to quote.] john wrote: > [Michael Moroney wrote: ] > > Funny how they are being CONTROLLED by electric and magnetic fields at > > the time. > > Oh, and electrons outside of the atom aren’t? That is a stupid question, probably a red herring. The subject was electrons *in cathode-ray tubes*. > Where do those fields come from, in the atom? Electric charge. > The other electrons do nothing? What do you think they are doing? > You are so far away from understanding anything, Michael! No, you are, but you are too ignorant and incompetent (yet) to realize it. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect> -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 18:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <fecc1dd8-8fe3-4f12-a77a-5b6a82117714@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #717753 |
Thomas Don’t give your Dunning Kruger BS Do electrons influence each other when bound in the atom? And how would you say that happens? Answer or fuck off
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-12-12 19:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <purndh$ve5$3@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #717803 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Thomas >Don't give your Dunning Kruger BS Why not? You could get a job as the Dunning-Kruger Poster Boy!
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-12 13:36 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <puro04$1bgt$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #717667 |
On 12/11/2018 8:25 AM, Michael Moroney wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: > >> MM >> "Perhaps a new and different seam for a baseball, for example? >> Maybe art?? " >> Or, hey, maybe Science will realize that electrons are actual physical >> objects that have trajectories. > > They CAN have trajectories when unbound. > >> TV tubes take advantage of this aspect about electrons to make images. >> Funny how they're suddenly not wandering randomly then! > > Funny how they are being CONTROLLED by electric and magnetic fields at > the time. > > Funny how they act like a wave under some circumstances and as a particle > under others. > > Funny how the Uncertainty Principle works for these electrons in the TV > tube, just as it forbids electrons following distinct teeny tiny paths > around the nucleus of an atom. > > Funny how you don't understand a word of what I just wrote. > electrons travel down copper wires. bounded loosely by the copper atoms the electrons slide along, sometimes very fast, 90% c. Good high school physics problem. google "drift velocity"
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 23:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <13275b13-7242-1fd5-7821-c797fd5b7d98@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #717550 |
john wrote: > Thomas > “If it were a good idea, I would not say “No”. > ” > But you guys say ‘no’ to ALL my ideas. That is because so far they have all been bad ideas. Terribly bad. Like your posting and quoting style. -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 14:37 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ec62757e-4884-47c0-8572-ce8210939b16@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #717744 |
Thomas “Terribly bad. Like your posting and quoting style.” Only thing bad is they make so much more sense than the non-model that you and others support. You’ve back-pedalled so much you’re totally conflicted in every direction. Do electrons move within the atom? No? But it’s 99% empty!
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 23:51 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <24bd5282-905c-0f66-d04c-d1833fa7f635@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #717745 |
[Apparently at least you have learned what a thread is, hitting the
correct Reply button. Very good. In your next lesson you have to
learn how to NOT delete everything that Google Groups quotes for you.
Can you do it?]
[Quotation repaired]
john wrote:
> [Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: ]
> > Terribly bad. Like your posting and quoting style.”
>
> Only thing bad is they make so much more sense than the non-model that you and others support.
No.
> You’ve back-pedalled so much you’re totally conflicted in every direction.
LOL. Oh the hubris.
> Do electrons move within the atom?
> No?
> But it’s 99% empty!
Of course. As particles, electrons are assumed point-like, i.e. they do not
have any volume at all. And a nice, common analogy is that if an atom has
the size of the Munich Olympic Stadium (a football stadium), then the
nucleaus has the size of a corn of rice placed in the centre of the kick-off
point.
Think about it. How could the atom NOT be “99% empty”?
--
PointedEars
Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 15:03 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6cf64a9f-c7ea-4419-9a2c-fc40bdf33a13@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #717750 |
Point “As particles, electrons are assumed point-like, i.e. they do not have any volume at all.” Beauty! But wrong and stupid
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| From | poraty6@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 21:03 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <8826908b-10c2-4f66-9dcc-bf30a5ec5df6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #717755 |
On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 1:03:55 AM UTC+2, john wrote: > Point > “As particles, electrons are assumed point-like, i.e. they do not > have any volume at all.” > Beauty! > But wrong and stupid ======================== no pint and no schmoint the electron is sub composed and look more or less an a string !! (in a chain of orbitals'' ---------------- Y.Porat ================ see my model ===========================
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-08 19:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <puh58e$39v$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #717357 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “They do. And in math” > Good good Odd. > > What’s exciting is, every planetary body above a certain size will have > this zone of zero gravity a certain distance from its surface. > Oh sorry, Odd, 0 gravity. There’s your math. > > You possibly understand the difference between doing a calculation and writing down a number. Or maybe not. Here’s an elementary example, John. You’re standing next to a tall building. You look down and see your shadow, and thanks to some sidewalk tiles you know are 4” squares, you can measure your shadow to be 9.5 tiles long. Then you pace off the length of the shadow of the building and find that it’s 152 paces long. How high is the building? Can you do this math? The early preSocratic Greeks could. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-09 03:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pui2ci$1jss$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #717368 |
Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: >> Odd >> “They do. And in math” >> Good good Odd. >> >> What’s exciting is, every planetary body above a certain size will have >> this zone of zero gravity a certain distance from its surface. >> Oh sorry, Odd, 0 gravity. There’s your math. >> >> > > You possibly understand the difference between doing a calculation and > writing down a number. Or maybe not. > > Here’s an elementary example, John. You’re standing next to a tall > building. You look down and see your shadow, and thanks to some sidewalk > tiles you know are 4” squares, you can measure your shadow to be 9.5 tiles > long. Then you pace off the length of the shadow of the building and find > that it’s 152 paces long. How high is the building? > > Can you do this math? The early preSocratic Greeks could. > Well, John? -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-08 23:57 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <c3b799e0-323b-4e46-b2e4-0d6199e18cbe@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #717417 |
Odd “> that it’s 152 paces long. How high is the building? > ” What does this have to do with the idea I am discussing?
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-09 02:33 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e43d1c01-60e2-4422-874c-a1dd18a396af@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #717433 |
Odd “> that it’s 152 paces long. How high is the building? > ” What does this have to do with the idea I am discussing? “ Odd, this is one of the more interesting ideas to come out of my model- that there will be this gravitational zone above large planets where towards the planet and towards Space will both be ‘Up’. And clouds will float up both directions, some clouds preferring towards the planet, and some clouds preferring towards Space. And there will be a middle layer of dust and debris. Sound like Jupiter?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-09 12:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <puj35s$1d9m$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #717433 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd >> that it’s 152 paces long. How high is the building? >> ” > What does this have to do with the idea I am discussing? > It’s a demonstration of a basic math skill. So you can get started with the math of your idea. Can’t do this one? You won’t be able to do that one. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-08 08:05 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <c9c809c7-f5e8-4ff1-85af-92a31761e908@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #717315 |
Isn’t that mind bending? The planet is pushing you up and the Universe is pushing you down
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-08 16:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pugrd1$1hed$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #717320 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Isn’t that mind bending? > The planet is pushing you up and the Universe is pushing you down > Aint you just thrilled with your shower thoughts? -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-08 16:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pugr5c$1h3d$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #717315 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “Learn the math, it’s not hard. > > And, by the way, a physics theory REQUIRES it. ” > > But you need something there first, to describe mathematically. Why? Mathematics is just a language. You are asking to start with plain English first and then translate into math. That’s not the way bilingual people talk. They will start with the language best suited to express it. You are not owed an explanation in the only language you know. In this subject, you are expected to be bilingual with mathematics being one of them. Frustrated by that? > > You need a model, that can be examined, and turned over, verbally, a million ways. > And learned from. > You don’t have that. Yes, scientists do. Note that they use two languages to describe, switching from one to the other fluidly. You can’t do that, note. > > How many ways can that be explained to you, and you still don’t get it? > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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