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| Started by | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-11-10 14:48 -0800 |
| Last post | 2018-11-14 01:31 +0000 |
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Re: The N orbital Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-11-10 15:58 -0800
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 02:34 -0800
Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-11 17:39 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 09:51 -0800
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 20:51 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 04:27 -0800
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 12:52 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 05:21 -0800
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 17:25 +0000
Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-12 18:03 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 22:40 -0800
Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-13 07:02 +0000
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 12:35 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 04:39 -0800
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Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 05:47 -0800
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 13:48 +0000
Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-13 14:59 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 07:02 -0800
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 16:36 +0000
Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-13 18:20 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 13:56 -0800
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 01:31 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 20:26 -0800
Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-14 06:55 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 03:56 -0800
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 13:30 +0000
Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-14 16:21 +0000
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 13:30 +0000
Re: The N orbital benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 11:58 -0500
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 12:45 -0800
Re: The N orbital benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 16:51 -0500
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 14:50 -0800
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 00:00 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 17:02 -0800
Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-14 06:12 +0000
Re: The N orbital "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 17:21 -0800
Re: The N orbital moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-13 15:14 +0000
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 13:48 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 06:35 -0800
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 16:29 +0000
Re: The N orbital john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 09:20 -0800
Re: The N orbital Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 01:31 +0000
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-13 07:02 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <84b0337b-619a-4fb5-998b-25fff49176c9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712650 |
MM Maybe you can explain how Atom-in-a-box might indicate that gas clouds would be unaffected by the gravity at the Milky Ways center. Also- do electrons make the electric field?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-13 16:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pseuif$1p3h$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #712651 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > MM > Maybe you can explain how Atom-in-a-box might indicate that gas clouds > would be unaffected by the gravity at the Milky Ways center. What happens inside of atoms with the interaction of the electromagnetic field has fuck-all to do with what happens in the center of galaxies with the interaction of the gravitational field. You might as well be asking how beta decay explains the harmonics in an organ pipe. One doesn’t have much to do with the other. > > Also- do electrons make the electric field? > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-11-13 18:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <psf4l9$6j0$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #712651 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >Maybe you can explain how Atom-in-a-box might indicate that gas clouds >would be unaffected by the gravity at the Milky Ways center. What does Atom-in-a-box have to do with gravity or galactic gas clouds? Unless Odd's Atom-in-a-box isn't the one I am familiar with, it's a way to show the atomic orbitals only. No gravity, no galaxies! >Also- do electrons make the electric field? The presence or absence of charges (not only electrons) modifies the electric field nearby. The electric field is always there, there is no way to turn it on or off, only cancel its effects by an opposing electric field. It is not "made" by anything, that implies a dynamic process.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-13 13:56 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <d3fa730f-da94-4ddf-a252-20095e837b2d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712670 |
MM “It is not "made" by anything, that implies a dynamic process. ” Every electron is a dynamo
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 01:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <psftta$1cof$5@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #712685 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > MM > “It is not "made" by anything, that implies a dynamic process. ” > Every electron is a dynamo > No, it’s really not. These things don’t conform to your imagination. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-13 20:26 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <a7c8fd23-e695-461c-8749-7f8ff898fd15@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712710 |
Odd “> Every electron is a dynamo > No, it’s really not. These things don’t conform to your imagination. ” What does imagination have to do with it? All electrons constantly emit a flow of radiation that makes the electric field. That’s why it’s called electric.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 06:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <psggse$g9i$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #712717 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
>Odd
>>" Every electron is a dynamo
>No, it's really not. These things don't conform to your imagination. "
>What does imagination have to do with it?
It is your (Little Pharma-addled) imagination that comes up with such crap
as "every electron is a dynamo". That's what.
>All electrons constantly emit a flow of radiation that makes the electric field.
>That's why it's called electric.
It's obvious that you have no CLUE how anything 'electric' operates.
The electron's effect on the electric field is fixed, static, there is
nothing to emit.
Often lines of force are used to _represent_ electric fields, but that is
what scientists call a model. They aren't real.
I bet you don't know the differences between any pair of these words/
phrases - electric field, electric potential, current, charge, voltage,
dielectric, resistance, ....
Other than (possibly) knowing that all of these are somehow "electric", a
word that probably also belongs on that list. Yet here you are, spewing
forth your latest hallucination ("every electron is a dynamo") as if it
was a fact. I'm sure that once in a while you get bad shit and things
like a yellow sky with a violet sun, glowing pocket-sized elephants and
giant carniverous butterflies with bloody fangs become factual to you as
well.
You need to hook up with Archie Plutonium. He's another crank that
believes in a sort of "fractal" universe (only two levels however), the
whole universe being some cosmic plutonium atom. He also believes the
proton (not electron, however) is some sort of dynamo, full of dancing
muons or something. Between the two of you you should be able to come up
with something completely incomprehensible.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 03:56 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <126ffbd3-9ae5-4205-ad81-941dcd2c298e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712724 |
MM “The electron's effect on the electric field is fixed, static, there is nothing to emit. ” Just by ‘being there’, hey? Wow! That’s exactly how you say gravity works! Change Standard Model to “Being There”
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 13:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <psh82i$1cbf$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #712729 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > MM > “The electron's effect on the electric field is fixed, static, there is > nothing to emit. ” > Just by ‘being there’, hey? > Wow! That’s exactly how you say gravity works! > > Change Standard Model to “Being There” > I’m amused by your “everlasting factory” notion of the universe. Things perpetually making other things. Atoms being made and spit out by ... hmmm, by what? Air being created by .... hmmmmm. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 16:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pshi2e$83j$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #712729 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >"The electron's effect on the electric field is fixed, static, there is >nothing to emit. " >Just by "being there", hey? That's right! >Wow! That's exactly how you say gravity works! Very good! I see you somehow managed to beg, borrow or steal a clue from somewhere. There are many similarities between gravitation and electromagnetism. They both follow the inverse square law and both have infinite range. They both can be easily observed on human scales. But remember, they are not the same, there are also many differences. >Change Standard Model to "Being There" Think of, say, a compressed spring or something. It may have a lot of potential energy in it, but that energy and internal forces exist just by "being there". There's nothing dynamic to continuously generate the energy or force, it is just there until released. Same with electromagnetism, the charge of an electron is a property of electrons.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 13:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <psh82h$1cbf$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #712717 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd >> Every electron is a dynamo >> > > No, it’s really not. These things don’t conform to your imagination. ” > > What does imagination have to do with it? > All electrons constantly emit a flow of radiation that makes the electric field. > That’s why it’s called electric. > No, John. Where did you get this silly idea? Aliens tell you that? -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 11:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pshk6s$4h6$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #712710 |
On 11/13/2018 8:31 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: >> MM >> “It is not "made" by anything, that implies a dynamic process. ” >> Every electron is a dynamo >> > > No, it’s really not. These things don’t conform to your imagination. > Actually John is correct, Odd. You just too ignorant of science to understand it.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 12:45 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <de5b8007-ba00-459f-895a-15f150809873@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712748 |
benj “> No, it’s really not. These things don’t conform to your imagination. > Actually John is correct, Odd. You just too ignorant of science to understand it. ” ALL electrons are dynamos that are constantly being refuelled by their protons. All protons absorb electron pressure, causing gravity/inertia. Pretty simple. Shouldn’t take Odd and MM more than another decade
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| From | benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 16:51 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <psi5cd$15e0$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #712772 |
On 11/14/2018 3:45 PM, john wrote: > benj > “> No, it’s really not. These things don’t conform to your imagination. >> > Actually John is correct, Odd. You just too ignorant of science to > understand it. ” > > ALL electrons are dynamos that are constantly being refuelled by their protons. All protons absorb electron pressure, causing gravity/inertia. > > Pretty simple. Shouldn’t take Odd and MM more than another decade > Simple but backwards, John. All electrons are dynamos that fuel their protons to keep them stable. All protons in stable matter absorb electron pressure to keep[ them from decaying. I'm sure Odd agrees with me as usual...
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 14:50 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <7535a570-88df-48e4-bf1c-4bb8f0a3525c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712778 |
benj “Simple but backwards, John. All electrons are dynamos that fuel their protons to keep them stable. All protons in stable matter absorb electron pressure to keep[ them from decaying. I'm sure Odd agrees with me as usual... ” They fuel each other.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-15 00:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <psicvf$1gu0$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #712778 |
benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote: > On 11/14/2018 3:45 PM, john wrote: >> benj >>> No, it’s really not. These things don’t conform to your imagination. >>> >> Actually John is correct, Odd. You just too ignorant of science to >> understand it. ” >> >> ALL electrons are dynamos that are constantly being refuelled by their >> protons. All protons absorb electron pressure, causing gravity/inertia. >> >> Pretty simple. Shouldn’t take Odd and MM more than another decade >> > Simple but backwards, John. All electrons are dynamos that fuel their > protons to keep them stable. All protons in stable matter absorb > electron pressure to keep[ them from decaying. I'm sure Odd agrees with > me as usual... > Keep feeding him manure. Tells him you’re maintaining a worm farm. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 17:02 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <1794ad68-2e48-419d-96c9-a8cf6299ea17@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712799 |
Odd “Keep feeding him manure. Tells him you’re maintaining a worm farm” In the dark Odd, they call you
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 06:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <psgecc$g9i$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #712685 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >"It is not "made" by anything, that implies a dynamic process. " >Every electron is a dynamo No, they are not.
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| From | "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 17:21 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <aff55ca2-4e24-47fc-b49b-353ced3e306d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #712685 |
On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 1:56:11 PM UTC-8, john wrote: > MM > “It is not "made" by anything, that implies a dynamic process. ” > Every electron is a dynamo Sounds like reality to me.Mangetic field plus a coil can light a bulb without motion.Saw it done on you tube.Its like free energy.Bert
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-11-13 15:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <psepop$bl0$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #712641 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >The 1:2 orbit is a standing wave of synchronized rotations in two >orthogonal planes. As we know from gyroscopes, a spinning object resists >being being moved out of the plane of the spin. And that is exactly why your retarded precessing spinny things are such a failure. Conservation of angular momentum means that spinning things actually resist precession without an external torque, much less actually get all retarded and precess on their own like your OCD keeps screaming at you. Try the following experiment. Mount a bicycle securely so that its front wheel is off the ground and handlebars can be rotated. Get the front wheel spinning really, really good. Now (try to) turn the handlebars rapidly and tell us what happens. Or do this: Get an old computer hard drive. The larger rotating mass the better, get an ancient 5 1/2" drive if you can. Connect it to a computer power supply but without mounting it in a chassis. Hold it in your hands. While it is spinning, try to turn/rotate it. Just try to turn it as if you want to precess it at right angle to the angle of rotation. It's almost as if it fights back, or if someone is trying to wrest the drive out of your hands. > So an orbit like this >will resist being moved out of either plane, and all forces on it will >act to move it only along the intersection of the two planes. >So individual atoms will only be affected by gravity along this intersection. How the hell did you come up with something as stupid as that last sentence from the rest of what you wrote?
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