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IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !!

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  IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-26 01:09 -0700
    Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-26 01:14 -0700
      Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 05:43 -0700
        Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-26 06:00 -0700
          Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-26 07:53 -0700
        Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! nobody@invalid.invalid - 2018-07-26 11:56 -0400
          Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-26 09:08 -0700
            Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-26 14:07 -0700
              Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-26 15:28 -0700
          Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 14:02 -0700
            Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-26 21:45 +0000
              Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-26 15:36 -0700
              Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 18:05 -0700
                Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 18:38 -0700
                Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-26 18:50 -0700
                Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-27 03:08 +0000
                Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-26 21:27 -0700
                  Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 21:34 -0700
                    Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-27 04:43 +0000
                      Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 21:51 -0700
                        Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-27 05:08 +0000
                          Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-26 22:35 -0700
                            Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-26 22:41 -0700
                            Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 19:59 -0700
                              Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-27 21:49 -0700
                                Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-27 23:05 -0700
                          Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 00:05 -0700
                            Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-27 01:22 -0700
                              Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 06:02 -0700
                                Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-27 14:59 +0000
                                  Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 08:26 -0700
                                    Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 15:43 +0000
                                    Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-27 15:43 +0000
                                      Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 08:50 -0700
                                        Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-27 16:13 +0000
                                  Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-27 08:31 -0700
                                Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-27 08:24 -0700
                                  Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 15:36 +0000
                                    Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-08-01 01:43 -0700
                                Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-27 15:59 +0000
                                  Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 09:14 -0700
                                    Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-27 09:25 -0700
                                    Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-27 17:34 +0000
                                      Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 11:23 -0700
                                        Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 11:36 -0700
                                          Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-27 23:50 +0000
                                          Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-27 18:45 -0700
                                            Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-30 17:50 -0700
                                              Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-30 17:57 -0700
                                                Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-31 10:39 -0700
                                                  Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 11:22 -0700
                                                    Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 19:07 +0000
                                                      Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 17:06 -0400
                                                      Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-01 01:11 +0000
                                                        Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 04:46 -0700
                                                          Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 12:41 +0000
                                                            Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 06:09 -0700
                                                              Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 14:42 +0000
                                                              Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-08-01 11:56 -0700
                                                                Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-08-02 03:45 -0700
                                                                  Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-08-03 04:57 -0700
                                                    Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-08-01 01:25 -0700
                                        Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-27 23:47 +0000
                            Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-27 14:55 +0000
            Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-07-26 15:25 -0700
    Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 11:47 -0700
      Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 15:16 -0400
        Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-08-03 20:02 -0700
      Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 12:44 -0700
        Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 15:55 -0400
          Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-08-03 20:09 -0700
          Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-08-03 23:24 -0700
            Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-04 04:52 -0700
              Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-04 07:20 -0700
                Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-04 12:37 -0400
                Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-08-04 14:24 -0700
                  Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-08-05 00:02 -0700
                    Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-08-05 12:29 -0700
                      Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-05 19:32 +0000
                        Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-08-05 17:24 -0700
                      Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-08-05 17:14 -0700
                Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-05 00:48 +0000
                  Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-05 08:13 -0700
                    Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-08-05 10:14 -0700
                    Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-05 18:57 +0000
                    Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-06 04:16 +0000
                      Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-06 00:25 -0700
                        Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-06 01:36 -0700
            Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-04 17:58 -0700
              Re: IT IS NEVER 'PULL FORCES'- IT S WAYS PUSH FORCESS !! poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-08-05 03:54 -0700
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#695884

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-27 09:14 -0700
Message-ID<007bc25e-8246-47e7-9493-01ca738e13f9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#695882
MM
“Oh that's 
right, you don't have even a model, so you couldn't predict anything! ”
The basic predictions of the Universal Fractal Galaxy Model for the Atom are that
galaxies precess TWICE as fast as they rotate and thus sweep out a sphere once one way and once the other per rotation
And
Atoms are DISCS that sweep out their sphere twice per rotation (about every 100 attoseconds)

So that’s not a prediction is it?

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#695888

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-07-27 09:25 -0700
Message-ID<485ac6e6-42d6-4e64-ad41-a04f61d2ef0a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#695884
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:14:52 AM UTC-7, john wrote:
> MM
> “Oh that's 
> right, you don't have even a model, so you couldn't predict anything! ”
> The basic predictions of the Universal Fractal Galaxy Model for the Atom are that
> galaxies precess TWICE as fast as they rotate and thus sweep out a sphere once one way and once the other per rotation
> And
> Atoms are DISCS that sweep out their sphere twice per rotation (about every 100 attoseconds)
> 
> So that’s not a prediction is it?

Galaxies don't rotate. The stars orbit a gravity center.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#695904

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-07-27 17:34 +0000
Message-ID<pjfl3r$n2r$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#695884
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"Oh that's
>right, you don't have even a model, so you couldn't predict anything! "

>The basic predictions of the Universal Fractal Galaxy Model for the Atom 
>are that galaxies precess TWICE as fast as they rotate and thus sweep out 
>a sphere once one way and once the other per rotation 

>So that's not a prediction is it?

Not in this case. It's more like "Star S2 has been observed here and 
moving at speed V that way, and the black hole of mass X is there, we plug 
in the numbers into the formulas that are part of our model, and we 
predict at time Y the star will be over there moving at velocity Z,
and we'll observe redshift R as it reaches close approach at time T with
velocity U." Something like that.

Where are your predictions of that form?

Doesn't have to be specific to S2 or the galactic center. How about
something like this: "If the Milky Way really is all retarded and 
precessing, the math formula of my model predicts the star Sirius will
start to accelerate this way and reach velocity X over the next year."

BTW still waiting for the source of the enormous torque needed to precess
a galaxy like the Milky Way. And how do you explain something like a 2:1
prcession for something that doesn't even rotate as a unit??

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#695913

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-27 11:23 -0700
Message-ID<3be0296a-630e-463a-9128-0a47837c2faa@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#695904
MM
“BTW still waiting for the source of the enormous torque needed to precess 
a galaxy like..”
I said what I said.
Wait

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#695917

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-27 11:36 -0700
Message-ID<e1a98bed-2fc8-48aa-9435-a34d9346b662@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#695913
By the way: Fatio and LeSage may have presented the framework in Push Gravity, but I have explained the players.
Because of their enormous acceleration at all times, electrons constantly emit a MUCH FINER radiation than our emr- 10^31 times higher in frequency, 10^31 times smaller in energy, 10^31 times more numerous, and travelling 9 times as fast.
These qualities check all the right boxes for LeSage and Fatio’s “ultramundane particles.
They are absorbed by protons, and the matter doesn’t  heat up, and the electrons don’t crash, because the proton cycles the back to its electron- which is why electrons so desperately need one.

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#695965

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-07-27 23:50 +0000
Message-ID<pjgb4b$p9a$5@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#695917
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>By the way: Fatio and LeSage may have presented the framework in Push 
>Gravity, but I have explained the players.
>Because of their enormous acceleration at all times, electrons constantly
>emit a MUCH FINER radiation than our emr- 10^31 times higher in 

<babble babble babble>

So you still don't understand why LeSage gravity can't work.

BTW, don't miss this: it sounds almost like it was written especially
for you.

https://curiosity.com/topics/how-do-we-know-dark-matter-really-exists-curiosity/

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#695981

Fromporaty6@gmail.com
Date2018-07-27 18:45 -0700
Message-ID<0d5424b3-fcaa-4d00-85c0-466e7d352894@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#695917
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:36:29 PM UTC+3, john wrote:
> By the way: Fatio and LeSage may have presented the framework in Push Gravity, but I have explained the players.
> Because of their enormous acceleration at all times, electrons constantly emit a MUCH FINER radiation than our emr- 10^31 times higher in frequency, 10^31 times smaller in energy, 10^31 times more numerous, and travelling 9 times as fast.
> These qualities check all the right boxes for LeSage and Fatio’s “ultramundane particles.
> They are absorbed by protons, and the matter doesn’t  heat up, and the electrons don’t crash, because the proton cycles the back to its electron- which is why electrons so desperately need one.
=======================
ok 
now i have to admit that I didn't study about dark matter
that did not disturb me to find   that 
=====================================
ALL FORCES ARE ONLY **PUSH FORCES** !!!

but still  I have an important question :!! 
that is more meaning full :
=========================================
DOES DARK ,ATER IS*** MORE DENSE** 
IN THE   vicinity    OF BIG MASSES !!??
=======================================

TIA
Y.Porat
==========================

TIA
Y.Porat

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#696411

Fromporaty6@gmail.com
Date2018-07-30 17:50 -0700
Message-ID<3502e30f-4c0a-4987-b7fb-085ac1b07baf@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#695981
On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 4:46:00 AM UTC+3, por...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:36:29 PM UTC+3, john wrote:
> > By the way: Fatio and LeSage may have presented the framework in Push Gravity, but I have explained the players.
> > Because of their enormous acceleration at all times, electrons constantly emit a MUCH FINER radiation than our emr- 10^31 times higher in frequency, 10^31 times smaller in energy, 10^31 times more numerous, and travelling 9 times as fast.
> > These qualities check all the right boxes for LeSage and Fatio’s “ultramundane particles.
> > They are absorbed by protons, and the matter doesn’t  heat up, and the electrons don’t crash, because the proton cycles the back to its electron- which is why electrons so desperately need one.
> =======================
> ok 
> now i have to admit that I didn't study about dark matter
> that did not disturb me to find   that 
> =====================================
> ALL FORCES ARE ONLY **PUSH FORCES** !!!
> 
> but still  I have an important question :!! 
> that is more meaning full :
> =========================================
> DOES DARK ,ATER IS*** MORE DENSE** 
> IN THE   vicinity    OF BIG MASSES !!??
> =======================================
> 
> TIA
> Y.Porat
> ==========================
> 
> TIA
> Y.Porat
=======================
any answer for the above question ??
===================
TIA
Y.P
=======================

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#696415

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-07-30 17:57 -0700
Message-ID<eaf3db6f-a7e4-4c8a-9c01-b15256a2fd4c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#696411
On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 5:50:23 PM UTC-7, por...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 4:46:00 AM UTC+3, por...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:36:29 PM UTC+3, john wrote:
> > > By the way: Fatio and LeSage may have presented the framework in Push Gravity, but I have explained the players.
> > > Because of their enormous acceleration at all times, electrons constantly emit a MUCH FINER radiation than our emr- 10^31 times higher in frequency, 10^31 times smaller in energy, 10^31 times more numerous, and travelling 9 times as fast.
> > > These qualities check all the right boxes for LeSage and Fatio’s “ultramundane particles.
> > > They are absorbed by protons, and the matter doesn’t  heat up, and the electrons don’t crash, because the proton cycles the back to its electron- which is why electrons so desperately need one.
> > =======================
> > ok 
> > now i have to admit that I didn't study about dark matter
> > that did not disturb me to find   that 
> > =====================================
> > ALL FORCES ARE ONLY **PUSH FORCES** !!!
> > 
> > but still  I have an important question :!! 
> > that is more meaning full :
> > =========================================
> > DOES DARK ,ATER IS*** MORE DENSE** 
> > IN THE   vicinity    OF BIG MASSES !!??
> > =======================================
> > 
> > TIA
> > Y.Porat
> > ==========================
> > 
> > TIA
> > Y.Porat
> =======================
> any answer for the above question ??
> ===================
> TIA
> Y.P
> =======================

There is inertia and forces change it.
Forces speed up or slow down matter.
No absolute rest means perpetual motion
with no inertial frames.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#696509

Fromporaty6@gmail.com
Date2018-07-31 10:39 -0700
Message-ID<8af7b297-806a-42c3-b328-88859cb6d5d7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#696415
On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 3:57:04 AM UTC+3, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 5:50:23 PM UTC-7, por...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 4:46:00 AM UTC+3, por...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:36:29 PM UTC+3, john wrote:
> > > > By the way: Fatio and LeSage may have presented the framework in Push Gravity, but I have explained the players.
> > > > Because of their enormous acceleration at all times, electrons constantly emit a MUCH FINER radiation than our emr- 10^31 times higher in frequency, 10^31 times smaller in energy, 10^31 times more numerous, and travelling 9 times as fast.
> > > > These qualities check all the right boxes for LeSage and Fatio’s “ultramundane particles.
> > > > They are absorbed by protons, and the matter doesn’t  heat up, and the electrons don’t crash, because the proton cycles the back to its electron- which is why electrons so desperately need one.
> > > =======================
> > > ok 
> > > now i have to admit that I didn't study about dark matter
> > > that did not disturb me to find   that 
> > > =====================================
> > > ALL FORCES ARE ONLY **PUSH FORCES** !!!
> > > 
> > > but still  I have an important question :!! 
> > > that is more meaning full :
> > > =========================================
> > > DOES DARK ,ATER IS*** MORE DENSE** 
> > > IN THE   vicinity    OF BIG MASSES !!??
> > > =======================================
> > > 
> > > TIA
> > > Y.Porat
> > > ==========================
> > > 
> > > TIA
> > > Y.Porat
> > =======================
> > any answer for the above question ??
> > ===================
> > TIA
> > Y.P
> > =======================
> 
> There is inertia and forces change it.
> Forces speed up or slow down matter.
> No absolute rest means perpetual motion
> with no inertial frames.
> 
> Mitchell Raemsch
================
but how  is that push force  acting ??
TIA
Y.Porat
===================

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#696511

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-31 11:22 -0700
Message-ID<0de91d8b-53ec-4246-b23c-87d3709475d8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#696509
Porat 
“but how  is that push force  acting ?? 
TIA 
Y.“

Fractal neutrinos

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#696520

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-31 19:07 +0000
Message-ID<pjqc2b$ubv$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#696511
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Porat 
> “but how  is that push force  acting ?? 
> TIA 
> Y.“
> 
> Fractal neutrinos
> 

Whatever the fuck John means by “fractal” and “neutrinos”, neither of which
will correspond to what scientists mean by those words. They are for John
just shiny-penny words that are fun to say. Like “gila vacuoles”. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#696531

Frombenj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-31 17:06 -0400
Message-ID<pjqj0c$1akd$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#696520
On 7/31/2018 3:07 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Porat
>> “but how  is that push force  acting ??
>> TIA
>> Y.“
>>
>> Fractal neutrinos
>>
> 
> Whatever the fuck John means by “fractal” and “neutrinos”, neither of which
> will correspond to what scientists mean by those words. They are for John
> just shiny-penny words that are fun to say. Like “gila vacuoles”.
> 
I'm pretty sure I had a case of gila vacuoles when I was a teenager. 
They make your face all ugly!

Fractals on the other hand are real science like say behind the global 
warming scam. They cleverly used Nile-like statistics to try to fool the 
but they waited too long and their lies caught up with them and they had 
to do a quick pivot to "climate change". I'm sure none of the 
"journalists" here have a clue what I"m talking about while those people 
that do are in on the scam and don't dare talk about it.

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#696567

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-08-01 01:11 +0000
Message-ID<pjr1ba$obq$4@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#696520
Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> writes:

>john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Porat 
>> “but how  is that push force  acting ?? 
>> TIA 
>> Y.“
>> 
>> Fractal neutrinos
>> 

>Whatever the fuck John means by “fractal” and “neutrinos”, neither of which
>will correspond to what scientists mean by those words. They are for John
>just shiny-penny words that are fun to say. Like “gila vacuoles”. 

A small bite of John's famous word salad.

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#696593

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-01 04:46 -0700
Message-ID<92406369-6638-4fb2-af09-ad44029fab34@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#696567
MM
“

A small bite of John's famous word salad. ”

Meanwhile, in Michael’s world of him and Odd against the kooks, Fatio is now one of the kooks for his push gravity idea.
Fatio was a good friend of Isaac Newton and collaborated with him and Leibniz in inventing the Calculus. He also was first to explain Zodiacal Light.

When you no longer value logic, you end up on the other side of the fence from real science

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#696601

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-01 12:41 +0000
Message-ID<pjs9qe$bl$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#696593
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> “
> 
> A small bite of John's famous word salad. ”
> 
> Meanwhile, in Michael’s world of him and Odd against the kooks, Fatio is
> now one of the kooks for his push gravity idea.
> Fatio was a good friend of Isaac Newton and collaborated with him and
> Leibniz in inventing the Calculus. He also was first to explain Zodiacal Light.
> 
> When you no longer value logic, you end up on the other side of the fence from real science
> 

You talk funny. 
Your term “fractal neutrinos” means as much as your term “logic”. You may
have something in mind with those words but it bears no resemblance to what
most other people mean by those words. 
So when you say “value logic”, what EXACTLY do you mean by “logic” there?

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#696603

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-01 06:09 -0700
Message-ID<764fa1d5-e8ec-478f-b024-ba52f639dfbe@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#696601
Odd
“So when you say “value logic”, what EXACTLY do you mean by “logic” there”

New ideas require new terms.
No one has suggested emr radiations that re-occur in mini form to accompany Fractal-recurring matter before. Have they? So call them Fractal neutrinos. Logical.

It’s like when you say the ‘spin’ of matter is not spin as we know it, and then say my spinning/precessing pathway has never been known to happen, and then choose ‘no structure’ versus ‘structure not yet seen’ when no structure has never yet been seen. You’re just contrary

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#696613

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-01 14:42 +0000
Message-ID<pjsgtj$djf$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#696603
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “So when you say “value logic”, what EXACTLY do you mean by “logic” there”
> 
> New ideas require new terms.
> No one has suggested emr radiations that re-occur in mini form to accompany
> Fractal-recurring matter before. Have they? So call them Fractal neutrinos. Logical.

What do you mean by fractal, John? For example you use “fractal layer” a
lot but that’s not a real term in fractal mathematics. Perhaps you mean
something else and are just hijacking a term. 

What I suggest, instead, is that you use TAWD for Turtles All the Way Down
because that way you won’t be mangling some term you don’t understand. 

> 
> It’s like when you say the ‘spin’ of matter is not spin as we know it,
> and then say my spinning/precessing pathway has never been known to
> happen, and then choose ‘no structure’ versus ‘structure not yet seen’
> when no structure has never yet been seen. You’re just contrary
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#696642

Fromporaty6@gmail.com
Date2018-08-01 11:56 -0700
Message-ID<d08004e6-6339-4913-adbc-7730e9550957@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#696603
On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 4:09:16 PM UTC+3, john wrote:
> Odd
> “So when you say “value logic”, what EXACTLY do you mean by “logic” there”
> 
> New ideas require new terms.
> No one has suggested emr radiations that re-occur in mini form to accompany Fractal-recurring matter before. Have they? So call them Fractal neutrinos. Logical.
> 
> It’s like when you say the ‘spin’ of matter is not spin as we know it, and then say my spinning/precessing pathway has never been known to happen, and then choose ‘no structure’ versus ‘structure not yet seen’ when no structure has never yet been seen. You’re just contrary
==============================
indeed 

spin is nothing as we know as spin 
if you take the 'spin of silver as in the famous   experiment  it is because Silver has an 
**edge orbital**that is directed sideways so it can ne
diverted  50 percent to one  side in the magnetic field 
or to the other symmetric side 
50 percent probability to  each antimetric side 
(the stream of silver  ions 
is split to  2 symmetric streams 
my model of Silver
shows it clearly tangibly !!
2
it has nothing to do with my op post !!
about  push forces !!
=====
TIA
Y.P
============================

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#696724

Fromporaty6@gmail.com
Date2018-08-02 03:45 -0700
Message-ID<782dafde-4cee-4448-b786-cdfc70cbb560@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#696642
On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 9:56:50 PM UTC+3, por...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 4:09:16 PM UTC+3, john wrote:
> > Odd
> > “So when you say “value logic”, what EXACTLY do you mean by “logic” there”
> > 
> > New ideas require new terms.
> > No one has suggested emr radiations that re-occur in mini form to accompany Fractal-recurring matter before. Have they? So call them Fractal neutrinos. Logical.
> > 
> > It’s like when you say the ‘spin’ of matter is not spin as we know it, and then say my spinning/precessing pathway has never been known to happen, and then choose ‘no structure’ versus ‘structure not yet seen’ when no structure has never yet been seen. You’re just contrary
> ==============================
> indeed 
> 
> spin is nothing as we know as spin 
> if you take the 'spin of silver as in the famous   experiment  it is because Silver has an 
> **edge orbital**that is directed sideways so it can ne
> diverted  50 percent to one  side in the magnetic field 
> or to the other symmetric side 
> 50 percent probability to  each antimetric side 
> (the stream of silver  ions 
> is split to  2 symmetric streams 
> my model of Silver
> shows it clearly tangibly !!
> 2
> it has nothing to do with my op post !!
> about  push forces !!
> =====
> TIA
> Y.P
> 

===========================
now
=SEE ''HALIDAY AND RESNIK'' (famous physics book   

about 
magnetism and matter *!!!   
**** MATTER   !!!!!!!!
what is *matter**'doing   here/there in  a magnetic experiment 

WITH AN IRON RODD !! ???
---
(in my version it is about PSAGE 920)
anyway 

you will  see there a
picture from a*** real experiment** !!
real 
not a ''drawing'' from someone's imagination !!
==and you will see there some
strange ***curved**   force lines''
stemming in and   out of that rod  !!

does it 'click' something in your head
(provided you  have  one ..!!??
=======
TIA
Y.Porat
=============================



 



  

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