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| Started by | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-06-29 18:38 -0700 |
| Last post | 2018-07-05 16:17 -0700 |
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Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 18:38 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-06-29 19:15 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-06-29 19:26 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-06-29 21:47 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 14:12 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 08:32 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 09:01 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 17:16 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 10:49 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-01 19:48 -0400
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-01 14:44 -0400
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-06 08:44 -0500
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 06:57 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 08:04 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 12:32 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 19:43 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 15:25 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 23:01 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 16:43 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 17:28 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 01:24 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 18:51 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-01 18:56 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-02 02:02 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 19:26 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-02 02:39 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 19:55 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-02 03:56 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 21:43 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 12:16 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 05:32 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 13:56 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-02 12:50 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 06:31 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 13:56 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-02 14:59 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 07:32 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 07:42 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 15:02 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 15:11 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 17:43 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 14:46 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 07:58 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 15:07 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 08:12 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 15:32 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 18:04 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 11:29 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 18:51 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 18:52 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 02:08 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 08:05 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 15:06 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 23:33 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-05 00:17 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 17:34 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-05 00:40 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 18:19 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 18:23 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-04 21:46 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-05 19:13 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 12:33 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 12:59 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 22:54 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 22:54 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-05 18:58 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 12:06 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 23:28 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 08:02 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 15:19 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 05:15 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-02 12:53 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-01 22:23 -0500
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 13:56 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 13:56 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 06:08 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 14:50 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 11:50 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 21:00 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 14:40 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 22:54 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 06:34 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-06 14:41 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 08:25 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 08:38 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-06 16:16 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 10:44 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 10:55 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-06 11:17 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:34 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-06 18:32 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 13:17 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:34 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:34 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:34 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-06 16:07 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:34 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:23 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-06 14:50 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 15:49 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-06 22:38 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-06 22:41 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-06 23:58 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 08:04 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 01:24 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 19:41 +0000
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-01 19:00 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-01 22:26 -0500
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-02 13:54 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-02 13:57 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 07:13 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-03 14:17 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-03 15:24 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 08:02 -0700
Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-05 16:17 -0700
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-05 22:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <phm7j4$1cqd$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #692682 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “No it says they are more disk like. Not spirals. ” > It is the spiral arms that MAKE the disc, you silly monkey. > No. Don’t be an idiot John. Look at the pictures. Tell me where the arms are in flat elliptical galaxies. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 06:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <74734db6-b2e9-410d-99fe-38408a570070@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #692692 |
Odd “Don’t be an idiot John. Look at the pictures. Tell me where the arms are in flat elliptical galaxies. “ Flat? They’re either flat or elliptical- ya gotta pick ONE. In the article it says when you take the gas and dust away the arms are at the central FLAT disc. But don’t bother reading it- ur comprehension is poor
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 14:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <phnv24$s7i$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #692756 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Odd >"Don't be an idiot John. Look at the pictures. Tell me where the arms >are in flat elliptical galaxies. " >Flat? >They're either flat or elliptical- ya gotta pick ONE. Wrong. Elliptical galaxies are ellipsoids. It's easy to have a flat ellipsoid, it has one axis quite a bit smaller than the other two. Think of a pancake, or M&M or Skittles candy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsoid >In the article it says when you take the gas and dust away the arms are at >the central FLAT disc. A flat ellipsoid. Oh, just think. If you have an oval pancake shape you can have a flat ellipsoid whose large face is an ellipse, just like those spiral galaxies that annoy you!! Cool, huh? >But don't bother reading it- ur comprehension is poor
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 08:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7ee816a4-8659-4ce7-8d38-b7f914f234fd@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #692763 |
MM “have a flat ellipsoid whose large face is an ellipse, just like those spiral galaxies that annoy you!! Cool, huh? - show quoted text -” So what have you proven, Michael? The word ‘disc’ is an approximation. You just argue for arguments sake, just like Odd. They have found that most- if not all- galaxies have a DISCOID of spiral arms at their centres and RESEMBLE SPIRALS. Is that somehow threatening to you two?
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 08:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d90b1c29-1e78-47fd-b96e-b33337689524@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #692764 |
Anyway, those spiral arms have 1 axial spin and 2 rotational spin making a disc and 3 the disc precesses. All the experiments have been done. This has already been proven. A fellow was wondering why after so many years the error bars for astronomical objects hadn’t been decreasing, and were in some cases increasing. He divided them into galactic and extragalactic sources and found a difference. Analysis of the difference showed that it could be explained if the disc were rotating at right-angles to itself. He rejected this RIGHT answer, unfortunately
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 16:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pho4lb$9dg$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #692767 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Anyway, those spiral arms have 1 axial spin and 2 rotational spin making a >disc and 3 the disc precesses. And wham! Here we go! Your repressed OCD comes roaring back to life and it makes up "facts", and you post the invented "facts" of the retarded 1:2 precessing spinny thing galaxy. >All the experiments have been done. This has already been proven. No, John, that voices in your head are not proof of anything, other than you have some sort of OCD, or delusions. For "proof" you are going to need all kinds of explanations of violations of the laws of physics, such as where is that enormous torque going to come from, conservation of angular momentum, as well as how can something that doesn't even rotate as a unit get retarded and precess in a 1:2 spin ratio? Why won't you see a doctor about your precessing spinny thing OCD?
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 10:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d33f16de-e9d9-4aa6-b27d-ee76f83783d1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #692769 |
MM “such as where is that enormous torque going to come from, conservation of a” Where did the enormous energy to rotate the galaxy ‘come from’? Not my department, Michael. You ask useless questions
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 10:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9bd428ca-c515-4a62-8d2c-5cfb32c449a4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #692770 |
MM “MM “such as where is that enormous torque going to come from, conservation of a” Where did the enormous energy to rotate the galaxy ‘come from’? Not my department, Michael. You ask useless questions ” The rotation and precession are acquired at the same time: it doesn’t get rotating fast first and then get precessed. Everything has rotation AND precession values that are locked into each other. If something is rotating quickly with zero precession, it is in a standing wave of 1 rotation : 0 precession. If something starts rotating and precessing at 1:2, it will be in a standing wave of 1:2 and will remain so, barring large energy input.
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| From | mitchrae3323@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 11:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <204676b8-3f42-4e6b-9868-a45a1bfd465d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #692771 |
On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 10:55:37 AM UTC-7, john wrote: > MM > “MM > “such as where is that enormous torque going to > come from, conservation of a” > Where did the enormous energy to rotate the galaxy ‘come from’? Not my department, Michael. You ask useless questions > ” > The rotation and precession are acquired at the same time: it doesn’t get rotating fast first and then get precessed. > Everything has rotation AND precession values that are locked into each other. If something is rotating quickly with zero precession, it is in a standing wave of 1 rotation : 0 precession. > If something starts rotating and precessing at 1:2, it will be in a standing wave of 1:2 and will remain so, barring large energy input. The inner galaxy core rotates as one. The arms around it are its stars in orbit... Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 20:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <phojp6$19im$4@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #692771 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > MM > “MM > “such as where is that enormous torque going to > come from, conservation of a” > Where did the enormous energy to rotate the galaxy ‘come from’? Not my > department, Michael. You ask useless questions > ” > The rotation and precession are acquired at the same time: it doesn’t get > rotating fast first and then get precessed. > Everything has rotation AND precession values that are locked into each other. This does not happen. The law of conservation of angular momentum forbids it. Rotation and precession are not alike. One is maintained by angular momentum conservation. The other CANNOT be maintained without external torque. The reasons why this distinction occurs is in first year physics. You can’t just say it just happens without saying the conservation law is all wrong. > If something is rotating quickly with zero precession, it is in a > standing wave of 1 rotation : 0 precession. > If something starts rotating and precessing at 1:2, it will be in a > standing wave of 1:2 and will remain so, barring large energy input. > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 18:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <phock7$e23$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #692770 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >"such as where is that enormous torque going to >come from, conservation of a" >Where did the enormous energy to rotate the galaxy "come from"? Not my >department, Michael. You ask useless questions Nope. Huge difference. Once you get something rotating, it will continue to rotate with the same rate forever, barring friction/external forces, and as long as something (gravity) holds it together. Angular momentum is a conserved quantity. On the other hand, retarded precession requires a continuous EXTERNAL torque which is constantly changing the angular momentum. Again, angular momentum is a conserved quantity but is constantly changing now, so it has to come from/go SOMEWHERE. Where? And how? You have no answer for that, and otherwise it violates conservation of angular momentum. And energy. Plus your retarded precession solves NOTHING. Other than the demand for your OCD to be fed. No open questions of physics answered, no nothing. Rotation, yes, it plus gravity keeps galaxies together without collapsing into a black hole or something. Precession: Nada. And, you avoided the question of how can something that doesn't even rotate at a fixed constant rate. like a galaxy, possibly precess in a 1:2 ratio, when the inner parts completes more revolutions than the outer parts during the same time? That's because you can't answer that! Every single star in the galaxy orbits INDEPENDENLY. What is the rotation rate of a hurricane in revolutions per hour? There is no answer because the inner part (just outside the eye) has the fastest winds and the shortest distance to complete one revolution, while the outer parts have slower winds and have much further to go for one revolution. Spiral galaxies are much the same.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 13:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e6682136-c3b4-4c5e-b14e-606e062f3877@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #692774 |
MM “On the other hand, retarded precession requires a continuous EXTERNAL torque which ” Not if it’s in phase
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 20:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <phojp7$19im$5@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #692781 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > MM > “On the other hand, retarded precession requires a continuous EXTERNAL > torque which ” > Not if it’s in phase > Yes especially if it is. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 20:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <phojp5$19im$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #692770 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > MM > “such as where is that enormous torque going to > come from, conservation of a” > Where did the enormous energy to rotate the galaxy ‘come from’? Not my > department, Michael. You ask useless questions > Gotta have torque to have precession. Without a explanation of where the torque comes from, you don’t have an explanation of GRCs. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 20:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <phojp4$19im$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #692767 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Anyway, those spiral arms have 1 axial spin and 2 rotational spin making > a disc and 3 the disc precesses. > > All the experiments have been done. This has already been proven. A > fellow was wondering why after so many years the error bars for > astronomical objects hadn’t been decreasing, and were in some cases > increasing. He divided them into galactic and extragalactic sources and > found a difference. Analysis of the difference showed that it could be > explained if the disc were rotating at right-angles to itself. He > rejected this RIGHT answer, unfortunately > Which fellow? -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 16:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pho43d$9dg$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #692764 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >"have a flat >ellipsoid whose large face is an ellipse, just like those spiral >galaxies that annoy you!! Cool, huh? >- show quoted text -" >So what have you proven, Michael? Only your apparent poor reading comprehension. >The word "disc" is an approximation. >You just argue for arguments sake, just like Odd. >They have found that most- if not all- galaxies have a DISCOID of spiral >arms at their centres and RESEMBLE SPIRALS. Oops, there's that poor reading comprehension again. It does NOT say those flat elliptical galaxies are spiral galaxies. They said they RESEMBLE spiral galaxies by being disks. Of course, over time, standing rotational waves may appear and the flat ellipticals may evolve into spiral galaxies. >Is that somehow threatening to you two? Of course not. It seems the opposite was threatening to you, as your OCD demanded that all galaxies become retarded precessing spinny things. Now that there are more disks than previously known, your OCD must be much happier.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 20:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <phojp3$19im$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #692764 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > MM > “have a flat > ellipsoid whose large face is an ellipse, just like those spiral > galaxies that annoy you!! Cool, huh? > - show quoted text -” > So what have you proven, Michael? > The word ‘disc’ is an approximation. > You just argue for arguments sake, just like Odd. > They have found that most- if not all- galaxies have a DISCOID of spiral > arms at their centres and RESEMBLE SPIRALS. > Is that somehow threatening to you two? > John your reading comprehension skills are terrible. There are no arms in elliptical galaxies. There are in barred and spiral galaxies. That’s the classification scheme BY DEFINITION. http://www.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/galaxies/tunfrk.htm If you see a galaxy with spiral arms then it is BY DEFINITION not an elliptical galaxy. Flat like a spiral galaxy does not mean armed like a spiral galaxy. Learn some basics!! -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 20:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <phoj4f$18j7$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #692756 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > Odd > “Don’t be an idiot John. Look at the pictures. Tell me where the arms > are in flat elliptical galaxies. “ > Flat? > They’re either flat or elliptical- ya gotta pick ONE. John, do you know what an ellipse IS? Here’s a picture of a high eccentricity ellipsoid: https://thatsmaths.com/2018/04/12/geodesics-on-the-spheroidal-earth-i/ > > In the article it says when you take the gas and dust away the arms are > at the central FLAT disc. But don’t bother reading it- ur comprehension is poor > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 14:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <phoo6l$nev$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #692756 |
On 7/6/2018 6:34 AM, john wrote: > Odd > “Don’t be an idiot John. Look at the pictures. Tell me where the arms > are in flat elliptical galaxies. “ > Flat? > They’re either flat or elliptical- ya gotta pick ONE. > > In the article it says when you take the gas and dust away the arms are at the central FLAT disc. But don’t bother reading it- ur comprehension is poor > There are smaller black holes eating away at the dust lanes of a galaxy. I wonder if they are somehow connected to the central hyper massive black hole, in a network of sorts?
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-07-06 15:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9918de59-7dc0-4f9c-9f45-6ae89da36377@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #692798 |
Chris “There are smaller black holes eating away at the dust lanes of a galaxy. I wonder if they are somehow connected to the central hyper massive black hole, in a network of sorts? ” Sounds totally feasible
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