Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions

From	moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions
Date	2018-07-06 18:32 +0000
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john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"such as where is that enormous torque going to
>come from, conservation of a"
>Where did the enormous energy to rotate the galaxy "come from"? Not my 
>department, Michael. You ask useless questions

Nope. Huge difference. Once you get something rotating, it will continue
to rotate with the same rate forever, barring friction/external forces,
and as long as something (gravity) holds it together.
Angular momentum is a conserved quantity.

On the other hand, retarded precession requires a continuous EXTERNAL
torque which is constantly changing the angular momentum. Again, angular 
momentum is a conserved quantity but is constantly changing now, so it
has to come from/go SOMEWHERE. Where? And how? You have no answer for
that, and otherwise it violates conservation of angular momentum.
And energy.

Plus your retarded precession solves NOTHING. Other than the demand for
your OCD to be fed. No open questions of physics answered, no nothing.
Rotation, yes, it plus gravity keeps galaxies together without collapsing
into a black hole or something. Precession: Nada.

And, you avoided the question of how can something that doesn't even 
rotate at a fixed constant rate. like a galaxy, possibly precess in a 1:2
ratio, when the inner parts completes more revolutions than the outer
parts during the same time? That's because you can't answer that!
Every single star in the galaxy orbits INDEPENDENLY.

What is the rotation rate of a hurricane in revolutions per hour?
There is no answer because the inner part (just outside the eye) has
the fastest winds and the shortest distance to complete one revolution, 
while the outer parts have slower winds and have much further to go
for one revolution. Spiral galaxies are much the same.

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Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 18:38 -0700
  Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-06-29 19:15 -0700
  Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-06-29 19:26 -0700
  Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-06-29 21:47 -0700
  Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 14:12 +0000
    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 08:32 -0700
      Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 09:01 -0700
        Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 17:16 +0000
          Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 10:49 -0700
            Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-01 19:48 -0400
            Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-01 14:44 -0400
              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-06 08:44 -0500
          Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 06:57 -0700
          Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 08:04 -0700
            Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 12:32 -0700
              Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 19:43 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 15:25 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 23:01 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 16:43 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 17:28 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 01:24 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 18:51 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-01 18:56 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-02 02:02 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 19:26 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-02 02:39 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 19:55 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-02 03:56 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 21:43 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 12:16 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 05:32 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 13:56 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-02 12:50 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 06:31 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 13:56 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-02 14:59 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 07:32 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 07:42 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 15:02 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 15:11 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 17:43 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 14:46 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 07:58 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 15:07 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 08:12 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 15:32 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 18:04 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 11:29 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 18:51 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 18:52 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 02:08 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 08:05 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 15:06 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 23:33 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-05 00:17 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 17:34 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-05 00:40 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 18:19 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 18:23 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-04 21:46 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-05 19:13 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 12:33 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 12:59 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 22:54 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 22:54 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-05 18:58 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 12:06 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 23:28 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 08:02 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 15:19 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 05:15 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-02 12:53 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-01 22:23 -0500
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 13:56 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 13:56 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 06:08 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 14:50 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 11:50 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 21:00 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 14:40 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 22:54 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 06:34 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-06 14:41 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 08:25 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 08:38 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-06 16:16 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 10:44 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 10:55 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-06 11:17 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:34 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-06 18:32 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 13:17 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:34 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:34 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:34 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-06 16:07 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:34 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:23 +0000
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-06 14:50 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 15:49 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-06 22:38 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-06 22:41 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-06 23:58 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 08:04 -0700
                Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 01:24 +0000
            Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 19:41 +0000
  Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-01 19:00 -0700
    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-01 22:26 -0500
    Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-02 13:54 -0700
      Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-02 13:57 -0700
        Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 07:13 -0700
          Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-03 14:17 -0700
            Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-03 15:24 -0700
      Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 08:02 -0700
        Re: Each dimension is a spin- 3 spins, 3 dimensions "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-05 16:17 -0700

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