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  What's the speed of Gravity? Jerry Kraus <jkraus1999@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 05:56 -0700
    What's the speed of Gravity? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 07:32 -0700
      Re: What's the speed of Gravity? Jerry Kraus <jkraus1999@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 07:47 -0700
        Re: What's the speed of Gravity? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 08:02 -0700
          Re: What's the speed of Gravity? Jerry Kraus <jkraus1999@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 08:28 -0700
            Re: What's the speed of Gravity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-05-02 15:54 +0000
            Re: What's the speed of Gravity? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 08:56 -0700
          Re: What's the speed of Gravity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 19:17 +0000
            Re: What's the speed of Gravity? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 12:50 -0700
              Re: What's the speed of Gravity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 23:18 +0000
            Re: What's the speed of Gravity? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 13:43 -0700
              Re: What's the speed of Gravity? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-05-02 16:17 -0700
              Re: What's the speed of Gravity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 23:21 +0000
                Re: What's the speed of Gravity? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 11:08 -0700
                  Re: What's the speed of Gravity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 18:56 +0000
                    Re: What's the speed of Gravity? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-04 07:16 +0200
                      Re: What's the speed of Gravity? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 06:39 -0700
                        Re: What's the speed of Gravity? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-04 16:26 +0200
                          Re: What's the speed of Gravity? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 07:41 -0700
                            Re: What's the speed of Gravity? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-04 16:46 +0200
                              Re: What's the speed of Gravity? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 08:25 -0700
                                Re: What's the speed of Gravity? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-04 18:00 +0200
                            Re: What's the speed of Gravity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 16:50 +0000
                              Re: What's the speed of Gravity? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-04 15:18 -0400
                              Re: What's the speed of Gravity? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-05-05 18:42 -0700
                        Re: What's the speed of Gravity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 16:33 +0000
              Re: What's the speed of Gravity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-05-03 06:49 +0000
    Re: What's the speed of Gravity? "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 14:05 -0700
      Re: What's the speed of Gravity? "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-05-02 15:37 -0700
    Re: What's the speed of Gravity? Dan Riley <dan131riley@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 10:35 -0400
      Re: What's the speed of Gravity? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-05-04 00:41 -0700
    Re: What's the speed of Gravity? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-05-03 13:58 -0700

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#683707

Lib
“Free of substance  is not nothing. 
”
Nothing is nothing.
“Substance “ in your view is Matter , whole or pieces.
What is not matter as WE recognize it- DM, DE- is substance at a different level. There is substance at some level filling everything.
Nothing is nothing.

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#683715

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> Lib
> “Free of substance  is not nothing. 
> ”
> Nothing is nothing.

Vacuum is not nothing.

> “Substance “ in your view is Matter , whole or pieces.
> What is not matter as WE recognize it- DM.

DM IS matter.

, DE- is substance at a different level. There is substance at
 some level filling everything.

Unsupported claim.

> Nothing is nothing.

And not nothing is not nothing.


-- 
Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)

"Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
Miloš Forman


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#683724

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lib
> “Space is composed of smaller gradations of matter. 
> 
> Such a claim does not have experimental background. 
> “
> Such a claim can never be disproved.
> On the other hand, the concept of ‘nothing’ is illogical.
> 

Nobody said anything about nothing. We were talking about whether a vacuum
is filled with a material substance or not. 

YOU are the one saying that if a vacuum has no substance in it, then it
must be nothing. Which is not true. Existence is not tied to material
substance. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#683735

On 5/4/2018 12:50 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Lib
>> “Space is composed of smaller gradations of matter.
>>
>> Such a claim does not have experimental background.
>> “
>> Such a claim can never be disproved.
>> On the other hand, the concept of ‘nothing’ is illogical.
>>
> 
> Nobody said anything about nothing. We were talking about whether a vacuum
> is filled with a material substance or not.
> 
> YOU are the one saying that if a vacuum has no substance in it, then it
> must be nothing. Which is not true. Existence is not tied to material
> substance.
> 
This is true, Boinker. There are those who have long said Aether is 
MATERIAL substance. Logically there is no need for such an assumption. 
What IS logical is that space either IS or is FILLED with SOMETHING 
which gives that region it's properties. To say there are properties 
with nothing to create those properties is babbling nonsense. The 
question of whether that something IS space or FILLS space is an 
interesting one, because the latter means that a "true vacuum" might be 
created which has no properties, does not transmit light etc.

As to aether and matter, there is a TOE which surmises that Matter 
(protons etc) are actually bits of "frozen" aether. In other words the 
theory is that aether like water can be a wispy vapor (like cold steam) 
or without energy "freezes" into solid bits which we call protons etc. 
that assemble into what we call matter.

This is enough advanced science for today, Boinker. I'll allow you to 
return to your science religion and ignore all thoughts that might be 
heresy.

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#683949

On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 7:50:29 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Lib
> > “Space is composed of smaller gradations of matter. 
> > 
> > Such a claim does not have experimental background. 
> > “
> > Such a claim can never be disproved.
> > On the other hand, the concept of ‘nothing’ is illogical.
> > 
> 
> Nobody said anything about nothing. We were talking about whether a vacuum
> is filled with a material substance or not. 
> 
> YOU are the one saying that if a vacuum has no substance in it, then it
> must be nothing. Which is not true. Existence is not tied to material
> substance. 
>================================
another idiot around the table (P D)
John is right 
without mass
you cant even  detect anything !!!
we are not in metaphysics 
2
had there not been LOCATI0NS  of complete

- COMOPLETE EMTINESS!!!  - NO MOTION WHATSOEVER -COULD BE DON !!!
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no need to be a genius in order to understand it !!
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Y.Porat
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#683722

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lib
>>> Where do you find a place where there is no substance? 
>>> La-La Land? 
>>> 
>> 
>> Ever seen a vacuum chamber? 
> 
> Even between air molecules at normal pressure. 
> ”
> And this is PRECISELY where your model fails.

Fails in what way? Conflict with experiment? Or conflict with your
unsubstantiated beliefs?

What EVIDENCE — experimental EVIDENCE — do you have that vacuum is filled
with matter?

Not beliefs. EVIDENCE. 

> There is substance everywhere.
> Space is composed of smaller gradations of matter.
> There are also everywhere the finer radiations whose frequencies match those smaller atoms.
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#683465

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>I think for myself.

No you don't. You think what your spinny thing OCD and fractal universe
OCD tell you to think.

Someone who thought for themselves would respond to comments and
criticism and "fix" the problems or come up with something new.

Instead, what I see here is you posting something involving retarded
precessing spinny things, it gets shot down, you post something about a
fractal universe, it gets shot down, you post something involving retarded
precessing spinny things with the SAME problems as before, so it gets shot
down again, you post something about a fractal universe with the SAME
problems as before, so it gets shot down, repeat, repeat, repeat.
No thinking involved, just reposting the same crap, reworded somewhat
each time it gets shot down.

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#683392

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 5:56:47 AM UTC-7, Jerry Kraus wrote:
> Supposedly we've discovered "Gravity Waves" now, so, presumably it should be possible to try to calculate the speed of Gravity.    What is the speed of Gravity, exactly?     Is the speed of Gravity equal to the speed of light?   If the speed of Gravity is greater than the speed of light, where does that leave us, regarding Relativity?   Also, what are the gravitational mechanisms, operating at the speed of gravity.    Surely,   Isaac Newton's greatest mistake was simply leaving the force of Gravity as an instantaneous, black box effect.

16 feet drop on moon has the same gravity speed as 3 feet up on Earth  Bert

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#683421

TurdBert, given that you post here instead of your 
<http://tinyurl.com/Blog-of-2-fecal-kikes-Mar2017>
and since you are using Baby Powder
to lessen the Itching from your Shingles,
your worshipping "Double-Asshole", AA,
<double-a3@hush.com> warned  you & wrote:
> 
Bert, haven't heard about the asbestos danger 
in baby powder?  
<https://www.mesothelioma.com/asbestos-exposure/products/baby-powder/>
>
Glazier, you sorry Swine, your "Asshole-
Ambassador", AA told you that you may 
be giving yourself the dreaded disease of 
"MESOTHELIOMA"
>
TurdBert, you have complained about your
Irregular heartbeat, Heart murmurs, Fatigue, 
Body aches, etc... all of which are symptoms
of Mesothelioma... which you may have gotten
decades ago when you did live next to a 
freeway & have inhaled Asbestos-dust from
the Asbestos-containing-Car-Break_Pads.
Pity.

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#683490

Jerry Kraus <jkraus1999@gmail.com> writes:
> Supposedly we've discovered "Gravity Waves" now, so, presumably it
> should be possible to try to calculate the speed of Gravity.  What is
> the speed of Gravity, exactly?  Is the speed of Gravity equal to the
> speed of light?

The near-simultaneous observation of gravitational waves (GW170817) by
LIGO and a gamma ray burst (GRB170817A) by Fermi LAT from a binary
neutron star merger constrains the speed of gravity to very, very close
to the speed of light.

ref: https://arxiv.org/abs/1710.05834

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#683659

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 5:35:38 PM UTC+3, Dan Riley wrote:
> Jerry Kraus <jkraus1999@gmail.com> writes:
> > Supposedly we've discovered "Gravity Waves" now, so, presumably it
> > should be possible to try to calculate the speed of Gravity.  What is
> > the speed of Gravity, exactly?  Is the speed of Gravity equal to the
> > speed of light?
> 
> The near-simultaneous observation of gravitational waves (GW170817) by
> LIGO and a gamma ray burst (GRB170817A) by Fermi LAT from a binary
> neutron star merger constrains the speed of gravity to very, very close
> to the speed of light.
> 
> ref: https://arxiv.org/abs/1710.05834


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if there is a difference of
-3x10 exp-15
and +7x10 exp -16
it means that  the  experiment is not accurate enough ??!!!
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TIA
Y.Porat
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#683545

The Earth appears to carry its gravity field with it around the
Sun at its orbital speed...

Gravity moves through gravity below light speed.

Mitchell Raemsch

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