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Binary Black Holes

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First post2018-04-15 06:22 -0700
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  Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 06:22 -0700
    Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 15:07 +0000
    Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-15 17:31 +0000
      Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 04:34 -0700
        Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-16 12:43 +0000
          Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 13:20 -0700
            Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 22:37 +0000
            Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 05:16 +0000
        Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 12:47 +0000
    Re: Binary Black Holes grahamcooper7@gmail.com - 2018-04-16 20:05 -0700
      Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 21:50 -0700
        Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 05:22 +0000
          Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 06:16 -0700
            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 06:29 -0700
              Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:54 +0000
                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 10:18 -0700
                  Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 17:52 +0000
                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 11:36 -0700
                      Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 18:51 +0000
                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 19:07 +0000
                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 13:11 -0700
                          Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 20:34 +0000
                          Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 20:55 +0000
                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:18 -0700
                              Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 21:43 +0000
                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 15:03 -0700
                                  Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 22:34 +0000
                                  Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 22:41 +0000
                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 15:56 -0700
                                      Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 23:20 +0000
                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 17:31 -0700
                                          Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 18:07 -0700
                                          Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 01:14 +0000
                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 23:29 +0000
                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 23:38 -0700
                                          Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-18 17:23 +0000
                                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 10:55 -0700
                                              Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-18 20:15 +0000
                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 13:51 -0700
                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 00:21 +0000
                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 17:37 -0700
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 02:14 +0000
                                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 22:31 -0700
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 12:17 -0500
                                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 14:07 -0700
                                                          Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-19 14:45 -0700
                                                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 14:59 -0700
                                                              Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-19 15:06 -0700
                                                          Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 03:11 +0000
                                                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 20:31 -0700
                                                              Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-19 20:39 -0700
                                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 05:35 -0700
                                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 06:11 -0700
                                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 07:35 -0700
                                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-20 15:28 +0000
                                                              Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 21:26 +0000
                                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 14:55 -0700
                                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 04:20 +0000
                                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 06:03 -0700
                                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-21 14:17 +0000
                                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 18:17 +0000
                                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-21 18:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-21 14:05 +0000
                                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 12:26 -0700
                                              Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-18 21:25 +0000
                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:02 -0700
                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 01:37 +0000
                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 18:44 -0700
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 02:23 +0000
                                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 22:38 -0700
                                                          Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-20 01:16 +0000
                                                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 19:34 -0700
                                                              Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-20 02:43 +0000
                                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 19:56 -0700
                                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 03:35 -0700
                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:13 -0700
                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:24 -0700
                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:45 -0700
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 02:10 +0000
                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 01:46 +0000
                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 19:04 -0700
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 02:29 +0000
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 12:00 -0500
                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 23:41 -0700
                                          Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-18 17:26 +0000
                                Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-17 15:20 -0700
                                  Re: Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-17 20:05 -0400
                                    No "Bible" is the final word. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-17 17:31 -0700
                                      Re: No "Bible" is the final word. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-18 10:57 -0400
              Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 19:01 +0000
              Re: Binary Black Holes Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 21:41 -0500
            Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:54 +0000
            Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 18:51 +0000
        Re: Binary Black Holes grahamcooper7@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 15:19 -0700
      Re: Binary Black Holes "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-16 22:02 -0700
    Re: Binary Black Holes sam.wormley@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 18:31 -0700
      Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 19:29 -0700
      Re: Binary Black Holes Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 21:54 -0500
      Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 23:48 -0700
      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-18 17:28 +0000
    Re: Binary Black Holes mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 15:55 -0700

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#681616

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-18 17:37 -0700
Message-ID<76fa0e65-01e4-47e2-87c3-dde70078b899@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681615
Odd
“Which is how you know they can’t be emitted by electrons, which are also 
fermions. Violates conservation of angular momentum. Idea is dead before 
gate opens. “
Can they be emitted by stars?
Do you not understand the Fractal idea where electrons are composed of next level down stars?
Nothing goes in when someone talks to you, does it?
After years and years, you still can’t grasp the idea.
BUS!!!
Just kidding, Odd.
Really- you are SO dense!

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#681633

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-19 02:14 +0000
Message-ID<pb8u2o$hhp$6@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681616
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"Which is how you know they can't be emitted by electrons, which are also
>fermions. Violates conservation of angular momentum. Idea is dead before
>gate opens. "
>Can they be emitted by stars?

Doesn't matter. You/he were talking about being emitted by electrons, so
violation of conservation of angular momentum means it's DOA.

>After years and years, you still can't grasp the idea.

I think he grasps it just fine. He also realizes how wrong it is, which
YOU can't grasp.

>BUS!!!
>Just kidding, Odd.

Good thing. I would hate for anything bad to happen to you.

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#681640

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-18 22:31 -0700
Message-ID<7ae32765-e53c-4bbe-b865-e9fa759185a4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681633
MM
“
>Can they be emitted by stars? 

Doesn't matter. You/he were talking about being emitted by electrons, so 
violation of conservation of angular momentum means it's ”

Michael/
It’s the Galaxy Model for the Atom.
Electrons are equated to galactic arms.
It’s a Fractal.
So-yes- it does matter.
What electrons do with their components is THE SAME as what galactic arms do with THEIRS- the arms of stars.
They BOTH radiate a photon/neutrinos flux.
Sheesh!!!
Years and years later and YOU STILL DONT GET IT

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#681661

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-19 12:17 -0500
Message-ID<pbaivn$16mp$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#681616
On 4/18/18 7:37 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> “Which is how you know they can’t be emitted by electrons, which are also
> fermions. Violates conservation of angular momentum. Idea is dead before
> gate opens. “
> Can they be emitted by stars?
> Do you not understand the Fractal idea where electrons are composed of next level down stars?
> Nothing goes in when someone talks to you, does it?
> After years and years, you still can’t grasp the idea.
> BUS!!!
> Just kidding, Odd.
> Really- you are SO dense!
> 

Stars are not fermions. Electrons are fermions.
They are called fermions because they are observed to behave like 
fermions. Fermions are also observed to not radiate other fermions. You 
can't just decide that electrons should be able to radiate fermions 
because your idea is that they are stars and not fermions.

Known laws of physics are based on observations, John.

Your approach to dealing with laws of physics is to try to bypass them 
by dismissing the observations that led to them. This is not a smart 
thing to do.

What you are saying is, "I want electrons to radiate neutrinos, so to 
make them able to do that, then I will declare that they are not in fact 
fermions but are in fact stars, which can radiate neutrinos." The 
problem with this is obvious.

You did the same thing with electrons in atoms, "I want electrons to 
have firm trajectories in atoms, and to avoid the problem of electrons 
radiating energy away in any curved trajectory, I will declare that 
electrons suddenly decide to stop obeying the laws of physics that 
require them to radiate detectable EM radiation and they start radiating 
'smaller-scale' EM radiation that is not detectable instead. This way 
they can do what I want and don't conflict with observations." The 
problem again is that the laws that require them to radiate detectable 
radiation come from observations, so your hypothesis is in conflict with 
observations.

You are FABRICATING an imaginary world that behaves the way you want it 
to imagine, rejecting all the known observations and laws of physics 
that come from those observations. It is a flight of fantasy that has 
nothing to do with science -- the latter being firmly rooted in 
observations.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#681670

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-19 14:07 -0700
Message-ID<017251ef-70a3-46b1-9159-7931f2367e90@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681661
Odd
“What you are saying is, "I want electrons to radiate neutrinos, so to 
make them able to do that, then I will declare that they are not in fact 
fermions but are in fact stars, which can radiate neutrinos." The 
problem with th”
The problem seems to be that you can’t grasp Fractals

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#681678

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2018-04-19 14:45 -0700
Message-ID<31992729-d93f-4ee3-9427-e0d4c4ae8e91@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681670
On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 2:07:57 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
> Odd
> “What you are saying is, "I want electrons to radiate neutrinos, so to 
> make them able to do that, then I will declare that they are not in fact 
> fermions but are in fact stars, which can radiate neutrinos." The 
> problem with th”

> The problem seems to be that you can’t grasp Fractals

No, the problem is that you, John, don't know any physics at all, and that's been the answer all along. It makes no sense for anyone to answer you with actual physics because you will reject such evidence because you have no chance of understanding or remembering it.

The only logical response to your goofy ramblings is to simply tell you that you don't know physics and should crack a book or 2 and commence reading before opening your steaming pie-hole.

John, you don't know physics and should crack a book or 2 before opening your steaming pie-hole.

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#681680

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-19 14:59 -0700
Message-ID<d3feab63-fb36-4150-a016-b48c1dcdf83b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681678
Pnal
“John, you don't know physics and should crack a book or 2 before opening your steaming pie-hole.”

Know YOUR physics?
DM?
DE?
Virtual this and pretend that?
Schizophrenic electrons that both move and don’t move but don’t radiate OR require energy? But somehow come steaming out when perturbed AT CERTAIN INTERVALS at 10% of c?
You KNOW that last observation could sink your foundering bucket, don’t you?
Suck gravity that acts “just by being there”?
You guys are SO fucked up.
Bohr, Thompson and Rutherford are rolling in their graves.
Wake up

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#681681

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2018-04-19 15:06 -0700
Message-ID<d29d1b2b-5ade-4806-90c3-8369a4ba21f1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681680
On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 2:59:23 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
> Pnal
> “John, you don't know physics and should crack a book or 2 before opening your steaming pie-hole.”
> 
> Know YOUR physics?
> DM?
> DE?
> Virtual this and pretend that?
> Schizophrenic electrons that both move and don’t move but don’t radiate OR require energy? But somehow come steaming out when perturbed AT CERTAIN INTERVALS at 10% of c?
> You KNOW that last observation could sink your foundering bucket, don’t you?
> Suck gravity that acts “just by being there”?
> You guys are SO fucked up.
> Bohr, Thompson and Rutherford are rolling in their graves.
> Wake up

John, you don't know physics and should crack a book or 2 before opening your steaming pie-hole

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#681720

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-20 03:11 +0000
Message-ID<pbblp6$pl8$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#681670
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “What you are saying is, "I want electrons to radiate neutrinos, so to 
> make them able to do that, then I will declare that they are not in fact 
> fermions but are in fact stars, which can radiate neutrinos." The 
> problem with th”
> The problem seems to be that you can’t grasp Fractals
> 

Fractals don’t get to break laws of physics

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#681728

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-19 20:31 -0700
Message-ID<36c5b61a-f053-4e40-ae6d-428658e35235@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681720
Odd
“Fractals don’t get to break laws of physics 
“
But QM can change them for stuff we can’t see?
Electrons are Fractal Matter.
Fusing Matter gives off neutrinos.

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#681732

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2018-04-19 20:39 -0700
Message-ID<73e08373-b196-4d4f-86f1-6cce88ca5647@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681728
On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 8:31:53 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
> Odd
> “Fractals don’t get to break laws of physics 
> “
> But QM can change them for stuff we can’t see?
> Electrons are Fractal Matter.
> Fusing Matter gives off neutrinos.

Just making it up as you go along... again... offering zero evidence...

John, you don't know physics and should crack a book or 2 before opening your steaming pie-hole

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#681748

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-20 05:35 -0700
Message-ID<58292668-69c9-4872-a0ee-8d77df1ba283@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681732
Pnal
“Just making it up as you go along... again... offering zero evidence”
If a model were a vehicle, I’d be coming back from scenic rides and talking about the sights, while you sit there in your box with holes cut out saying “I don’t see that!”

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#681749

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-20 06:11 -0700
Message-ID<e2fc5cca-0217-415e-a0cc-34afe9a873b6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681748
Should read *cardboard* box.

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#681756

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2018-04-20 07:35 -0700
Message-ID<cd1d2d7e-edf2-407e-a291-03ee07fb9015@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681748
On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 5:35:15 AM UTC-7, john wrote:
> Pnal
> “Just making it up as you go along... again... offering zero evidence”

> If a model were a vehicle, I’d be coming back from scenic rides and talking about the sights, while you sit there in your box with holes cut out saying “I don’t see that!”

John, that is an extremely poor analogy! Any recent scenic rides for you have been while you were wearing a blindfold. Even through the holes in my cardboard box, I can see far more than you.

John, you don't know physics and should crack a book or 2 before opening your steaming pie-hole

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#681761

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-20 15:28 +0000
Message-ID<pbd0v0$7uo$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681756
pnalsing@gmail.com writes:

>John, that is an extremely poor analogy! Any recent scenic rides for you 
>have been while you were wearing a blindfold. Even through the holes in 
>my cardboard box, I can see far more than you.

You may be in a cardboard box with holes, but John is in his easy chair in
a haze-filled living room, toking on a bong with the best offerings of
"Little Pharma", and making "vroom vroom" sounds. After he comes down from
his high, he'll talk about the sights he saw, such as 6 legged dinosaurs
and giant spiders and walking trees with glowing blue leaves. And he
wonders why nobody believes him.

>John, you don't know physics and should crack a book or 2 before opening 
>your steaming pie-hole

John, you don't know physics and should crack a book or 2 before opening
your steaming pie-hole

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#681797

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-20 21:26 +0000
Message-ID<pbdluj$3gq$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#681728
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “Fractals don’t get to break laws of physics 
> “
> But QM can change them 

No. 

> for stuff we can’t see?

No. 

> Electrons are Fractal Matter.
> Fusing Matter gives off neutrinos.
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#681803

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-20 14:55 -0700
Message-ID<ee769ea8-c4f6-47d7-aa83-1bbf35782e98@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681797
Odd
“No”
Yes, Odd. QM and GR are not compatible

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#681836

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-21 04:20 +0000
Message-ID<pbee63$13ti$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#681803
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “No”
> Yes, Odd. QM and GR are not compatible
> 

This doesn’t mean QM breaks any laws of physics or introduces anything
invisible. 

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Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#681851

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-21 06:03 -0700
Message-ID<6248b68b-b64e-42eb-8a2c-d1f6168c2c90@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681836
Odd
“This doesn’t mean QM breaks any laws of physics or introduces anything 
invisible. 
“
Or  provides any insight.
Or makes any broad predictions.

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#681857

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-21 14:17 +0000
Message-ID<pbfh6h$3k5$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681851
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"This doesn't mean QM breaks any laws of physics or introduces anything
>invisible.
>"
>Or  provides any insight.
>Or makes any broad predictions.

Wrong. QM and GR make perfectly valid predictions WITHIN THEIR DOMAINS.
All science theories have a domain of some sort where they are valid.
Newtonian mechanics, for example, is perfectly valid for non-relativistic
speed. We can send spacecraft to the outer planets by first sending them
to Venus to get a gravitational boost with little fuel, that's how well
we know gravity and how well Newtonian mechanics work at non-relativistic
speeds. But we cannot use Newtoniam mechanics to design an accelerator at
CERN.

Yes, it is a goal of science to come up with a single new theory that
reduces to both QM and GR in their respective domains, just like how
SR reduces to Newtonian mechanics in its domain. And science is not there
yet. Just wait... :-)

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