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Binary Black Holes

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  Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 06:22 -0700
    Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 15:07 +0000
    Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-15 17:31 +0000
      Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 04:34 -0700
        Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-16 12:43 +0000
          Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 13:20 -0700
            Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 22:37 +0000
            Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 05:16 +0000
        Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 12:47 +0000
    Re: Binary Black Holes grahamcooper7@gmail.com - 2018-04-16 20:05 -0700
      Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 21:50 -0700
        Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 05:22 +0000
          Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 06:16 -0700
            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 06:29 -0700
              Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:54 +0000
                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 10:18 -0700
                  Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 17:52 +0000
                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 11:36 -0700
                      Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 18:51 +0000
                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 19:07 +0000
                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 13:11 -0700
                          Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 20:34 +0000
                          Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 20:55 +0000
                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:18 -0700
                              Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 21:43 +0000
                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 15:03 -0700
                                  Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 22:34 +0000
                                  Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 22:41 +0000
                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 15:56 -0700
                                      Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 23:20 +0000
                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 17:31 -0700
                                          Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 18:07 -0700
                                          Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 01:14 +0000
                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 23:29 +0000
                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 23:38 -0700
                                          Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-18 17:23 +0000
                                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 10:55 -0700
                                              Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-18 20:15 +0000
                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 13:51 -0700
                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 00:21 +0000
                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 17:37 -0700
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 02:14 +0000
                                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 22:31 -0700
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 12:17 -0500
                                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 14:07 -0700
                                                          Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-19 14:45 -0700
                                                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 14:59 -0700
                                                              Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-19 15:06 -0700
                                                          Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 03:11 +0000
                                                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 20:31 -0700
                                                              Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-19 20:39 -0700
                                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 05:35 -0700
                                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 06:11 -0700
                                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 07:35 -0700
                                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-20 15:28 +0000
                                                              Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 21:26 +0000
                                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 14:55 -0700
                                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 04:20 +0000
                                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 06:03 -0700
                                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-21 14:17 +0000
                                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 18:17 +0000
                                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-21 18:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-21 14:05 +0000
                                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 12:26 -0700
                                              Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-18 21:25 +0000
                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:02 -0700
                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 01:37 +0000
                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 18:44 -0700
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 02:23 +0000
                                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 22:38 -0700
                                                          Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-20 01:16 +0000
                                                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 19:34 -0700
                                                              Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-20 02:43 +0000
                                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 19:56 -0700
                                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 03:35 -0700
                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:13 -0700
                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:24 -0700
                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:45 -0700
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 02:10 +0000
                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 01:46 +0000
                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 19:04 -0700
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 02:29 +0000
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 12:00 -0500
                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 23:41 -0700
                                          Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-18 17:26 +0000
                                Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-17 15:20 -0700
                                  Re: Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-17 20:05 -0400
                                    No "Bible" is the final word. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-17 17:31 -0700
                                      Re: No "Bible" is the final word. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-18 10:57 -0400
              Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 19:01 +0000
              Re: Binary Black Holes Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 21:41 -0500
            Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:54 +0000
            Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 18:51 +0000
        Re: Binary Black Holes grahamcooper7@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 15:19 -0700
      Re: Binary Black Holes "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-16 22:02 -0700
    Re: Binary Black Holes sam.wormley@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 18:31 -0700
      Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 19:29 -0700
      Re: Binary Black Holes Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 21:54 -0500
      Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 23:48 -0700
      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-18 17:28 +0000
    Re: Binary Black Holes mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 15:55 -0700

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#681878

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-21 18:17 +0000
Message-ID<pbfv79$1gib$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#681851
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “This doesn’t mean QM breaks any laws of physics or introduces anything 
> invisible. 
> “
> Or  provides any insight.

Oh but it does. 

> Or makes any broad predictions.

Oh but it DOES! Thousands of them. Try reading about them. 

> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#681881

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-21 18:47 +0000
Message-ID<pbg100$llg$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681851
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"This doesn't mean QM breaks any laws of physics or introduces anything
>invisible.
>"
>Or  provides any insight.
>Or makes any broad predictions.

John, you do realize, don't you, that smart phone you're using to rant
about QM being unable to make predictions actually DEPENDS on QM to work
at all? Meaning not only does QM make predictions, we can even use those
predictions to make cool things!

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#681854

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-21 14:05 +0000
Message-ID<pbfgg6$3k5$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681803
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"No"
>Yes, Odd. QM and GR are not compatible

Just because their domains do not overlap does not mean they are not
compatible.

John, you don't know physics and should crack a book or 2 before opening
your steaming pie-hole.

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#681589

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-18 12:26 -0700
Message-ID<dbefb173-91fe-4133-985c-a3bbd31f5f20@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681574
MM
“
john <johnse...@gmail.com> writes: 

>MM 
>" 

>>No, dum dum. 
>>I said neutrinos push GALAXIES apart by being absorbed by the central BLACK HOLE. 

>Oh good grief. 

>A black hole is a very small target, relatively speaking.  While 
>a black hole will absorb all neutrinos that cross its event horizon, 
>just about all the others will whiz by unaffected, even if deflected 
>by its gravity. 

>And how many neutrinos are you going to need to push on a 1 billion 
>solar mass BH and have *any* noticeable effect? Or even a 1 million 
>solar mass BH? How about a 1 solar mass BH?" 

>Perhaps you should read up on LeSage (Fatio) gravity, Michael. 

We've already ruled out LeSage Gravity as unworkable. Too many problems 
with it. 
_____\
Idiots rule out tying their own shoes. Too many problems with it. I bet you use Velcro
_____\\
>This is PRECISELY what is REQUIRED!!!!!!! 

Neutrinos (or something) from stars? That isn't what LeSage gravity is 
all about. For LeSage gravity to work, the "ultramundane particles" must 
arrive isotropically from outside the universe, from every direction. 
Coming from only other objects would cause those objects to REPEL each 
other, not attract. 
_\\\\\
The Fractal neutrinos from electron Matter come from everywhere IN the Universe.
There is no “outside the Universe”.
Why do you think it’s called “push” gravity, Michael. Have you EVER actually read the theory?
__\\_\
>MOST of the Matter must be transparent for it to work, you foolish boy. 

Yes, and that which is absorbed would supply massive energy to the mass, 
\\\\____\
And that energy is used to keep the electrons accelerating and radiating, Michael. Otherwise they would crash into the nucleus. Electrons can’t exist without energy input. How could you possibly think they do?
____\\
plus there is drag for matter moving relative to the reference frame of 
the "ultramundane particles", 
____\
The reference frame is ALL MATTER, which is moving ALL WAYS. 
___\\


plus gravitational shielding, etc. etc. 
___\\
Shielding is how it works- like two boats beside each other get pushed together 
__\\
That's why they gave up on LeSage Gravity centuries ago! 

>PLUS, as you know, in my model 

You still haven't come up with a proper model. 
___\\
Says you with no clue.
___\\\

> the Black Holes are DISCS 

Nonrotating black holes would have perfect spheres as event horizons. 
Rotating BHs would have oblate spheroids. 
___\\
We’ll see this year. BHs ARE rotation- that’s why Matter shreds, because the rotation is too fast.
____\

> and when they are EDGE-ON, they are virtually IMPOSSIBLE to hit!!!!! 

And what would define that? Oh yeah, you have no model so no answer 
to that. 

>Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha!!!!! 

Sounds like the maniacal laughter of the insane to me. 

>Thanks, Michael, for illuminating how exactly perfect my model is for LeSage/Fatio. You're a GEM!!!! 

Huh? You still have to deal with the failure of the LeSage model. 
_\\\
Just did, and you helped- THANKS.

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#681598

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-18 21:25 +0000
Message-ID<pb8d4t$rj3$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681589
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM

>_____\

What's that? Are you trying to quote or something? It's not working if
you are, its confusing what you are trying to do. Why not quote properly?

>We've already ruled out LeSage Gravity as unworkable. Too many problems
>with it.

>Idiots rule out tying their own shoes. Too many problems with it. I bet you
>use Velcro

It's not a matter of not being smart enough or something. It simply has
fundamental flaws that prevent it from working in our universe. Like tying
your shoes if your shoelaces are solid inflexible titanium rods.

>_____\\
>>This is PRECISELY what is REQUIRED!!!!!!!

>Neutrinos (or something) from stars? That isn't what LeSage gravity is
>all about. For LeSage gravity to work, the "ultramundane particles" must
>arrive isotropically from outside the universe, from every direction.
>Coming from only other objects would cause those objects to REPEL each
>other, not attract.
>_\\\\\
>The Fractal neutrinos from electron Matter come from everywhere IN the
>Universe.

So now you are talking about something else other than LeSage gravity.

Regardless, "push" from all matter against all other matter will have all
matter repel each other. No gravity at all!

>Why do you think it's called "push" gravity, Michael. 

Now I am thinking it's not gravity at all. You seem to predict NO gravity,
instead a repulsive force that blows everything apart! Last I looked, the
earth hasn't blown up yet.

>Have you EVER actually read the theory?

I've read up on LeSage gravity when someone (you?) first suggested it. When
someone proposes something new and different that I am not familiar with, I
check it out first.  I know that it's possible for someone to come up with
something completely different that may change everything.  It hasn't happened
here yet, even though there are kooks here who THINK they have something,
they're are a dime a dozen. Anyway, I read the theory and all its flaws, and
I understand why LeSage gravity can't work.


>__\\_\
>>MOST of the Matter must be transparent for it to work, you foolish boy.

Yes, and with LeSage gravity, the more transparent they make matter, the more
they have to increase the energy and speed of the "ultramundane particles"
and that creates yet more problems.

>Yes, and that which is absorbed would supply massive energy to the mass,
>\\\\____\
>And that energy is used to keep the electrons accelerating and radiating,
>Michael. Otherwise they would crash into the nucleus.

SO WHERE IS THIS ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION from all those accelerating
electrons??????  And why we are not instantly incinerated by it?


>Electrons can't exist without energy input. How could you possibly think
>they do?

Why do you think they can't?

Does a rock sitting on the ground need energy to remain a rock sitting on
the ground???

>____\\
>plus there is drag for matter moving relative to the reference frame of
>the "ultramundane particles",
>____\
>The reference frame is ALL MATTER, which is moving ALL WAYS.

Apparently you are unfamiliar with that particular problem with LeSage
gravity. If there is a reference frame where an object is struck by the
"ultramundane particles" equally from all directions, fine. But now if
there is something else moving relative to it, it will feel more
"ultramundane particles" from the front/direction of its movement than
from the rear. This produces drag, or a friction of sorts. It would mean
orbiting matter would slowly spiral into their primary. The moon into
the earth, the earth into the sun and so forth.

>___\\


>plus gravitational shielding, etc. etc.
>___\\
>Shielding is how it works- like two boats beside each other get
>pushed together

No, I am talking about mass shielding the gravity of other mass. Another
flaw with LeSage gravity you seem unfamiliar with.  Take 3 masses in a line,
A B C. B will "shield" A and C from each other, reducing their gravity on
each other than if B wasn't present. Real gravity says this doesn't happen
and experiments confirm this.

>__\\
>That's why they gave up on LeSage Gravity centuries ago!

>>PLUS, as you know, in my model

>You still haven't come up with a proper model.
>___\\
>Says you with no clue.

So where are your calculated predictions and results? Where are your
descriptions of potential falsifying experiments?

Simple gravitaty and mechanical rules can tell you the exact trajectory
of a baseball if you know the speed and direction as it left the bat.
Is it a home run? A foul ball? A pop fly? Why can't you do things like
that????

>___\\\

>> the Black Holes are DISCS

>Nonrotating black holes would have perfect spheres as event horizons.
>Rotating BHs would have oblate spheroids.
>___\\
>We'll see this year. BHs ARE rotation-

No, black holes are extreme concentrations of matter. You are talking
about something else - an absurd concept of "nothing" rotating.
Give it a name - call it something other than a black hole. I will
continue to call it ridiculous.

> that's why Matter shreds, 

No, the Roche Limit is why things held together by gravity "shred" when
they get too close to a large mass. It doesn't matter whether the large
mass is a black hole or Jupiter, something held together by gravity will
be torn apart. Ask Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9.


>> and when they are EDGE-ON, they are virtually IMPOSSIBLE to hit!!!!!

>And what would define that? Oh yeah, you have no model so no answer
>to that.

>>Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha!!!!!

>Sounds like the maniacal laughter of the insane to me.

>>Thanks, Michael, for illuminating how exactly perfect my model 
>>is for LeSage/Fatio. You're a GEM!!!!

>Huh? You still have to deal with the failure of the LeSage model.
>_\\\
>Just did, and you helped- THANKS.

You are very, very, very confused.

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#681600

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-18 15:02 -0700
Message-ID<fc962d55-d80d-4c97-b3f3-87e863f6818e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681598
Mm
“pparently you are unfamiliar with that particular problem with LeSage 
gravity. If there is a reference frame where an object is struck by the 
"ultramundane particles" equally from all directions, fine. But now if 
there is something else moving relative to it, it will feel more 
"ultramundane particles" from the front/direction of its movement than 
from the rear. This produces drag, or a friction of sorts. It would mean 
orbiting matter would”
The sources are also all moving in different directions.

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#681626

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-19 01:37 +0000
Message-ID<pb8rs2$hhp$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681600
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Mm
>"pparently you are unfamiliar with that particular problem with LeSage
>gravity. If there is a reference frame where an object is struck by the
>"ultramundane particles" equally from all directions, fine. But now if
>there is something else moving relative to it, it will feel more
>"ultramundane particles" from the front/direction of its movement than
>from the rear. This produces drag, or a friction of sorts. It would mean
>orbiting matter would"
>The sources are also all moving in different directions.

Doesn't matter.  There would be a frame where on average, all the 
"ultramundane particles" have an equal effect from all directions.
When something moves relative to that frame, the "ultramundane particles"
from the front are at a higher speed (on average) than the ones from the
rear (on average), thus causing drag.  For example, assume the sun is
in this special frame with equal force in all directions. The Earth, on
the other hand, is moving at a certain velocity relative to the sun. It
will experience more force against the direction of motion than in the
direction of motion. This would slow the earth, and no matter which 
direction the earth moves in its orbit, the force is against its motion.
Therefore, the earth will spiral into the sun. Almost like friction.

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#681629

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-18 18:44 -0700
Message-ID<95ed9090-452e-4ef2-a404-3b6ddfbe46eb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681626
MM
“When something moves relative to that frame, the "ultramundane particles" 
from the front are at a higher speed (on average) than the ones from the 
rear (on average), thus causing drag.  For example, assume the sun is ”
No Michael.

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#681635

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-19 02:23 +0000
Message-ID<pb8ujn$jpq$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681629
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"When something moves relative to that frame, the "ultramundane particles"
>from the front are at a higher speed (on average) than the ones from the
>rear (on average), thus causing drag.  For example, assume the sun is "

>No Michael.

No, what?

That is one of the bigger flaws with LeSage gravitation. Known for a 
century or two.  Look it up.

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#681641

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-18 22:38 -0700
Message-ID<ec4f40d1-4e11-43ac-b801-addf5e1f6b2e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681635
MM
“That is one of the bigger flaws with LeSage gravitation. Known for a 
century or two.  Look it up. ”
I know what it is.
It treats them like rocks. They aren’t rocks.
Only the ones with correct energies are absorbed- think of how Matter reflects some light while absorbing other frequencies. Whichever way it’s moving, there are a certain group of frequencies that “fit”.
There you go. Think a little.

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#681702

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-20 01:16 +0000
Message-ID<pbbf15$ilf$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681641
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"That is one of the bigger flaws with LeSage gravitation. Known for a
>century or two.  Look it up. "
>I know what it is.
>It treats them like rocks. They aren't rocks.
>Only the ones with correct energies are absorbed- think of how Matter 
>reflects some light while absorbing other frequencies. Whichever way 
>it's moving, there are a certain group of frequencies that "fit".
>There you go. Think a little.

John, you don't know physics and should crack a book or 2 before opening 
your steaming pie-hole. 

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#681714

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-19 19:34 -0700
Message-ID<9eed8d79-07a3-44fe-bd60-3cfa5e10f316@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681702
Mm and pnal
“Pie hole”
The only time you guys open your mouths is to sling shit, so I guess I could tell you to keep your shit holes closed, but you amuse me.

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#681715

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-20 02:43 +0000
Message-ID<pbbk4b$169$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681714
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Mm and pnal
>"Pie hole"
>The only time you guys open your mouths is to sling shit, so I guess I 
>could tell you to keep your shit holes closed, but you amuse me.

John, you don't know physics and should crack a book or 2 before opening
your steaming pie-hole. 

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#681718

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-19 19:56 -0700
Message-ID<e2352713-5145-4060-add7-8def5abce4d1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681715
MM
“nothing”
 Current Achievements of attophysics:
High-order harmonic generation has allowed the production of isolated pulses of attosecond duration.
The determination of the time scales of electronic motion in atomic, molecular, and condensed matter processes is being achieved.
Control of such processes is just beginning.
It will be VERY clear that electrons MOVE FAST.
Zeptosecond movement in nuclei is on the horizon.

Your sky is falling, MM and pnal.
RUN

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#681646

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-19 03:35 -0700
Message-ID<214d59d0-72ca-4914-b88f-129128bf1648@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681635
MM
“That is one of the bigger flaws with LeSage gravitation. Known for a 
century or two.  Look it up. ”
I know what it is.
It treats them like rocks. They aren’t rocks.
Only the ones with correct energies are absorbed- think of how Matter reflects some light while absorbing other frequencies. Whichever way it’s moving, there are a certain group of frequencies that “fit”.
There you go. Think a little.

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#681601

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-18 15:13 -0700
Message-ID<6d02ce60-8aaa-4b12-b631-5702d8069c40@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681598
MM
“No, I am talking about mass shielding the gravity of other mass. Another 
flaw with LeSage gravity you seem unfamiliar with.  Take 3 masses in a line, 
A B C. B will "shield" A and C from each other, reducing their gravity on 
each other than if B wasn't present. Real gravity says this doesn't happen 
and experiments confirm this. ”
Admittedly, this is the one thing that I am not yet happy with. It MAY be because all those masses are also radiating a push of their own. It’s more complex because of that.

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#681602

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-18 15:24 -0700
Message-ID<d3a9e44d-b48d-4dc4-a8eb-4b0690165f92@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681601
MM
““No, I am talking about mass shielding the gravity of other mass. Another 
flaw with LeSage gravity you seem unfamiliar with.  Take 3 masses in a line, 
A B C. B will "shield" A and C from each other, reducing their gravity on 
each other than if B wasn't present. Real gravity says this does“No, I am talking about mass shielding the gravity of other mass. Another 
flaw with LeSage gravity you seem unfamiliar with.  Take 3 masses in a line, 
A B C. B will "shield" A and C from each other, reducing their gravity on 
each other than if B wasn't present. Real gravity says this doesn't happen 
and experiments confirm this. ” 
Admittedly, this is the one thing that I am not yet happy with. It MAY be because all those masses are also radiating a push of their own. It’s more complex because of that. ” 

Or it may be because of gravitational lensing:

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#681603

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-18 15:45 -0700
Message-ID<f45f85ce-b31c-4154-b566-9c6c5544d841@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681602
MM
““No, I am talking about mass shielding the gravity of other mass. Another 
flaw with LeSage gravity you seem unfamiliar with.  Take 3 masses in a line, 
A B C. B will "shield" A and C from each other, reducing their gravity on 
each other than if B wasn't present. Real gravity says this doesn't happen 
and experiments confirm this. ” 
Admittedly, this is the one thing that I am not yet happy with. It MAY be because all those masses are also radiating a push of their own. It’s more complex because of that. ”
Michael, the Allais effect actually shows- when observed- a brief INCREASE in gravity, which is contrary to GR AND to push gravity expectations.
This would be consistent with gravitational lensing.

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#681632

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-19 02:10 +0000
Message-ID<pb8tpt$hhp$5@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681603
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"No, I am talking about mass shielding the gravity of other mass. Another
>flaw with LeSage gravity you seem unfamiliar with.  Take 3 masses in a line,
>A B C. B will "shield" A and C from each other, reducing their gravity on
>each other than if B wasn't present. Real gravity says this doesn't happen
>and experiments confirm this. "
>Admittedly, this is the one thing that I am not yet happy with. It MAY be 
>because all those masses are also radiating a push of their own. It's 
>more complex because of that. "
>Michael, the Allais effect actually shows- when observed- a brief INCREASE
>in gravity, which is contrary to GR AND to push gravity expectations.

Now you are making up excuses.

>This would be consistent with gravitational lensing.

No, it is not.

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#681630

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-19 01:46 +0000
Message-ID<pb8se2$hhp$4@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681601
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"No, I am talking about mass shielding the gravity of other mass. Another
>flaw with LeSage gravity you seem unfamiliar with.  Take 3 masses in a 
line,
>A B C. B will "shield" A and C from each other, reducing their gravity on
>each other than if B wasn't present. Real gravity says this doesn't 
happen
>and experiments confirm this. "
>Admittedly, this is the one thing that I am not yet happy with. It MAY be
>because all those masses are also radiating a push of their own.

Or it may be because LeSage gravity is just plain wrong.

What a concept! Imagine that! LeSage gravity wrong!!

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