Re: Binary Black Holes

From	moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Binary Black Holes
Date	2018-04-18 21:25 +0000
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john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM

>_____\

What's that? Are you trying to quote or something? It's not working if
you are, its confusing what you are trying to do. Why not quote properly?

>We've already ruled out LeSage Gravity as unworkable. Too many problems
>with it.

>Idiots rule out tying their own shoes. Too many problems with it. I bet you
>use Velcro

It's not a matter of not being smart enough or something. It simply has
fundamental flaws that prevent it from working in our universe. Like tying
your shoes if your shoelaces are solid inflexible titanium rods.

>_____\\
>>This is PRECISELY what is REQUIRED!!!!!!!

>Neutrinos (or something) from stars? That isn't what LeSage gravity is
>all about. For LeSage gravity to work, the "ultramundane particles" must
>arrive isotropically from outside the universe, from every direction.
>Coming from only other objects would cause those objects to REPEL each
>other, not attract.
>_\\\\\
>The Fractal neutrinos from electron Matter come from everywhere IN the
>Universe.

So now you are talking about something else other than LeSage gravity.

Regardless, "push" from all matter against all other matter will have all
matter repel each other. No gravity at all!

>Why do you think it's called "push" gravity, Michael. 

Now I am thinking it's not gravity at all. You seem to predict NO gravity,
instead a repulsive force that blows everything apart! Last I looked, the
earth hasn't blown up yet.

>Have you EVER actually read the theory?

I've read up on LeSage gravity when someone (you?) first suggested it. When
someone proposes something new and different that I am not familiar with, I
check it out first.  I know that it's possible for someone to come up with
something completely different that may change everything.  It hasn't happened
here yet, even though there are kooks here who THINK they have something,
they're are a dime a dozen. Anyway, I read the theory and all its flaws, and
I understand why LeSage gravity can't work.

>__\\_\
>>MOST of the Matter must be transparent for it to work, you foolish boy.

Yes, and with LeSage gravity, the more transparent they make matter, the more
they have to increase the energy and speed of the "ultramundane particles"
and that creates yet more problems.

>Yes, and that which is absorbed would supply massive energy to the mass,
>\\\\____\
>And that energy is used to keep the electrons accelerating and radiating,
>Michael. Otherwise they would crash into the nucleus.

SO WHERE IS THIS ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION from all those accelerating
electrons??????  And why we are not instantly incinerated by it?

>Electrons can't exist without energy input. How could you possibly think
>they do?

Why do you think they can't?

Does a rock sitting on the ground need energy to remain a rock sitting on
the ground???

>____\\
>plus there is drag for matter moving relative to the reference frame of
>the "ultramundane particles",
>____\
>The reference frame is ALL MATTER, which is moving ALL WAYS.

Apparently you are unfamiliar with that particular problem with LeSage
gravity. If there is a reference frame where an object is struck by the
"ultramundane particles" equally from all directions, fine. But now if
there is something else moving relative to it, it will feel more
"ultramundane particles" from the front/direction of its movement than
from the rear. This produces drag, or a friction of sorts. It would mean
orbiting matter would slowly spiral into their primary. The moon into
the earth, the earth into the sun and so forth.

>___\\

>plus gravitational shielding, etc. etc.
>___\\
>Shielding is how it works- like two boats beside each other get
>pushed together

No, I am talking about mass shielding the gravity of other mass. Another
flaw with LeSage gravity you seem unfamiliar with.  Take 3 masses in a line,
A B C. B will "shield" A and C from each other, reducing their gravity on
each other than if B wasn't present. Real gravity says this doesn't happen
and experiments confirm this.

>__\\
>That's why they gave up on LeSage Gravity centuries ago!

>>PLUS, as you know, in my model

>You still haven't come up with a proper model.
>___\\
>Says you with no clue.

So where are your calculated predictions and results? Where are your
descriptions of potential falsifying experiments?

Simple gravitaty and mechanical rules can tell you the exact trajectory
of a baseball if you know the speed and direction as it left the bat.
Is it a home run? A foul ball? A pop fly? Why can't you do things like
that????

>___\\\

>> the Black Holes are DISCS

>Nonrotating black holes would have perfect spheres as event horizons.
>Rotating BHs would have oblate spheroids.
>___\\
>We'll see this year. BHs ARE rotation-

No, black holes are extreme concentrations of matter. You are talking
about something else - an absurd concept of "nothing" rotating.
Give it a name - call it something other than a black hole. I will
continue to call it ridiculous.

> that's why Matter shreds, 

No, the Roche Limit is why things held together by gravity "shred" when
they get too close to a large mass. It doesn't matter whether the large
mass is a black hole or Jupiter, something held together by gravity will
be torn apart. Ask Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9.

>> and when they are EDGE-ON, they are virtually IMPOSSIBLE to hit!!!!!

>And what would define that? Oh yeah, you have no model so no answer
>to that.

>>Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha!!!!!

>Sounds like the maniacal laughter of the insane to me.

>>Thanks, Michael, for illuminating how exactly perfect my model 
>>is for LeSage/Fatio. You're a GEM!!!!

>Huh? You still have to deal with the failure of the LeSage model.
>_\\\
>Just did, and you helped- THANKS.

You are very, very, very confused.

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