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Binary Black Holes

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  Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 06:22 -0700
    Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 15:07 +0000
    Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-15 17:31 +0000
      Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 04:34 -0700
        Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-16 12:43 +0000
          Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 13:20 -0700
            Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 22:37 +0000
            Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 05:16 +0000
        Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 12:47 +0000
    Re: Binary Black Holes grahamcooper7@gmail.com - 2018-04-16 20:05 -0700
      Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 21:50 -0700
        Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 05:22 +0000
          Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 06:16 -0700
            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 06:29 -0700
              Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:54 +0000
                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 10:18 -0700
                  Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 17:52 +0000
                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 11:36 -0700
                      Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 18:51 +0000
                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 19:07 +0000
                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 13:11 -0700
                          Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 20:34 +0000
                          Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 20:55 +0000
                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:18 -0700
                              Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 21:43 +0000
                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 15:03 -0700
                                  Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 22:34 +0000
                                  Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 22:41 +0000
                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 15:56 -0700
                                      Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 23:20 +0000
                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 17:31 -0700
                                          Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 18:07 -0700
                                          Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 01:14 +0000
                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 23:29 +0000
                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 23:38 -0700
                                          Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-18 17:23 +0000
                                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 10:55 -0700
                                              Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-18 20:15 +0000
                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 13:51 -0700
                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 00:21 +0000
                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 17:37 -0700
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 02:14 +0000
                                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 22:31 -0700
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 12:17 -0500
                                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 14:07 -0700
                                                          Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-19 14:45 -0700
                                                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 14:59 -0700
                                                              Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-19 15:06 -0700
                                                          Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 03:11 +0000
                                                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 20:31 -0700
                                                              Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-19 20:39 -0700
                                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 05:35 -0700
                                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 06:11 -0700
                                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 07:35 -0700
                                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-20 15:28 +0000
                                                              Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 21:26 +0000
                                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 14:55 -0700
                                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 04:20 +0000
                                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 06:03 -0700
                                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-21 14:17 +0000
                                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 18:17 +0000
                                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-21 18:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-21 14:05 +0000
                                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 12:26 -0700
                                              Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-18 21:25 +0000
                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:02 -0700
                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 01:37 +0000
                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 18:44 -0700
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 02:23 +0000
                                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 22:38 -0700
                                                          Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-20 01:16 +0000
                                                            Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 19:34 -0700
                                                              Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-20 02:43 +0000
                                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 19:56 -0700
                                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 03:35 -0700
                                                Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:13 -0700
                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:24 -0700
                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:45 -0700
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 02:10 +0000
                                                  Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 01:46 +0000
                                                    Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 19:04 -0700
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-19 02:29 +0000
                                                      Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 12:00 -0500
                                        Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 23:41 -0700
                                          Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-18 17:26 +0000
                                Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-17 15:20 -0700
                                  Re: Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-17 20:05 -0400
                                    No "Bible" is the final word. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-17 17:31 -0700
                                      Re: No "Bible" is the final word. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-18 10:57 -0400
              Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 19:01 +0000
              Re: Binary Black Holes Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 21:41 -0500
            Re: Binary Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:54 +0000
            Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-17 18:51 +0000
        Re: Binary Black Holes grahamcooper7@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 15:19 -0700
      Re: Binary Black Holes "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-16 22:02 -0700
    Re: Binary Black Holes sam.wormley@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 18:31 -0700
      Re: Binary Black Holes pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 19:29 -0700
      Re: Binary Black Holes Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 21:54 -0500
      Re: Binary Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 23:48 -0700
      Re: Binary Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-18 17:28 +0000
    Re: Binary Black Holes mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 15:55 -0700

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#681416

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-17 13:11 -0700
Message-ID<bbca7df8-152b-401b-bd71-a85976cf51d3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681411
MM
"- show quoted text -
If they continuously accelerate, like a Bohr orbit where it goes round 
and round like a planet around the sun, or even worse, following that 
twisty 3d path in one of your retarded precessing spinny things, it will 
radiate, therefore lose energy, and therefore crash into the nucleus. You 
and I are still here, so obviously that doesn't happen, so both possibilities 
are refuted. "

And if LeSage Gravity is correct, the atom will be continually GAINING energy. So the two effects will.cancel perfectly.

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#681419

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-17 20:34 +0000
Message-ID<pb5los$6oc$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681416
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"- show quoted text -
>If they continuously accelerate, like a Bohr orbit where it goes round 
>and round like a planet around the sun, or even worse, following that 
>twisty 3d path in one of your retarded precessing spinny things, it will 
>radiate, therefore lose energy, and therefore crash into the nucleus. You 
>and I are still here, so obviously that doesn't happen, so both possibilities 
>are refuted. "

>And if LeSage Gravity is correct,

But it is already well known that it is not.

> the atom will be continually GAINING energy. So the two effects will.cancel perfectly.

So where is all the radiation that the electron is radiating away in the
electromagnetic spectrum?

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#681420

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-17 20:55 +0000
Message-ID<pb5mvg$1cvq$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#681416
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> "- show quoted text -
> If they continuously accelerate, like a Bohr orbit where it goes round 
> and round like a planet around the sun, or even worse, following that 
> twisty 3d path in one of your retarded precessing spinny things, it will 
> radiate, therefore lose energy, and therefore crash into the nucleus. You 
> and I are still here, so obviously that doesn't happen, so both possibilities 
> are refuted. "
> 
> And if LeSage Gravity is correct, the atom will be continually GAINING
> energy. So the two effects will.cancel perfectly.
> 

Numbers are important. 
Electromagnetic interaction is 10^34 times stronger than gravitational one.

So this is like saying that 1000000000000000 will cancel
-0.00000000000000000001 because one is positive and the other is negative. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#681424

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-17 14:18 -0700
Message-ID<7de2f39a-6d9a-43ae-9559-d6587b20640e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681420
Odd
"
Numbers are important. 
Electromagnetic interaction is 10^34 times stronger than gravitational one. 
"
Sounds about right. Our EMR would be about 10^31 times stronger than the Fractal radiation that I'm talking about.

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#681430

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-17 21:43 +0000
Message-ID<pb5ppf$1hhh$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#681424
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "
> Numbers are important. 
> Electromagnetic interaction is 10^34 times stronger than gravitational one. 
> "
> Sounds about right. Our EMR would be about 10^31 times stronger than the
> Fractal radiation that I'm talking about.
> 

First off, if this “fractal radiation” (which is buzzword salad anyway) is
what you are saying is responsible for gravity, the problem I stated still
remains. You CANNOT replenish the energy lost by EM radiation with an
alternate radiation that is 10^34 times weaker. So “cancels it out exactly”
is the bullshit that is wrong and which should cause you to ball up the
paper the idea was written on and round-file it. It. Doesn’t. Work.

Secondly, there’s the small problem that even if there were a replenishment
somehow, then you should STILL see the EM radiation outward if electrons
followed your trajectories. But that radiation isn’t there. So the claim is
wrong. It. Doesn’t. Work.

But see, you latch onto the 10^34 and say, “hey that’s only a factor of a
thousand different than my number of 10^31, so that’s agreement, so I must
be right.”

You focus on the few things that seem to fit and pay no attention to the
things that don’t. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#681431

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-17 15:03 -0700
Message-ID<dacc12a3-d6d4-447e-9853-ed99d30a405d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681430
Odd
"- show quoted text -
First off, if this “fractal radiation” (which is buzzword salad anyway) is 
what you are saying is responsible for gravity, the problem I stated still 
remains. You CANNOT replenish the energy lost by EM radiation with an 
alternate radiation that is 10^34 times weaker. So “cancels it out exactly” 
is the bullshit that is wrong and which should cause you to ball up the "
Quit, quit, quit!! All you and Moron say.
Fractal radiation refers to the smaller-scale photons and neutrinos put out by the fusion of the electron material as electrons travel at .3c or whatever in their perfectly-ordered orbits around the atomic nucleus.
You are talking about EMR from the sun and comparing it to gravity. EMR from the sun has NOTHING to do with Gravity.

Neutrinos from the sun and stars push GALAXIES apart.
Fractal radiation pushes ATOMS apart.

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#681436

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-17 22:34 +0000
Message-ID<pb5spk$1lu5$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#681431
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "- show quoted text -
> First off, if this “fractal radiation” (which is buzzword salad anyway) is 
> what you are saying is responsible for gravity, the problem I stated still 
> remains. You CANNOT replenish the energy lost by EM radiation with an 
> alternate radiation that is 10^34 times weaker. So “cancels it out exactly” 
> is the bullshit that is wrong and which should cause you to ball up the "
> Quit, quit, quit!! All you and Moron say.

Not telling you to quit. Telling you that keeping doing what you’re doing
without learning any science is futile and a bit nuts. You have the option
to learn some physics and you choose not to. As along as you do that you
will get nowhere — guaranteed. There has never been anyone in the last four
centuries who has made any insightful contribution to physics while being
uneducated in physics. 

> Fractal radiation refers to the smaller-scale photons and neutrinos put
> out by the fusion of the electron material as electrons travel at .3c or
> whatever in their perfectly-ordered orbits around the atomic nucleus.

No, John, electrons traveling in your closed trajectories don’t suddenly
decide for no reason to switch to emitting “smaller scale” EM radiation
that is not detectable. If they are traveling in your trajectories at the
rate you claim they are, then they would emit ORDINARY photons at a
frequency that is very calculable and those would be very detectable. This
is quantum electrodynamics. There is NO REASON to believe that electrons
just figure out they can evade having their EM radiation detected by
choosing to radiate a different kind of EM radiation that is undetectable. 

> You are talking about EMR from the sun and comparing it to gravity. EMR
> from the sun has NOTHING to do with Gravity.

EMR from electrons is the same whether the electrons are in the sun or in a
brick of sodium on a lab bench. Where the FUCK do you thing the photons
from the sun come from?

> 
> Neutrinos from the sun and stars push GALAXIES apart.
> Fractal radiation pushes ATOMS apart.
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#681438

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-17 22:41 +0000
Message-ID<pb5t70$lm9$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681431
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"- show quoted text -
>First off, if this 'fractal radiation' (which is buzzword salad anyway) is
>what you are saying is responsible for gravity, the problem I stated still
>remains. You CANNOT replenish the energy lost by EM radiation with an
>alternate radiation that is 10^34 times weaker. So 'cancels it out exactly'
>is the bullshit that is wrong and which should cause you to ball up the "
>Quit, quit, quit!! All you and Moron say.

Now you look like you're in kook meltdown mode. "All my work CAN'T be wrong!"
"Why are you telling me my beautiful work is wrong and to quit?"

>Fractal radiation refers to the smaller-scale photons and neutrinos put out
>by the fusion of the electron material as electrons travel at .3c or 
>whatever in their perfectly-ordered orbits around the atomic nucleus.

Now you are writing word salad, and you are ignoring what Odd wrote. The
'alternate radiation' is 34 ORDERS of MAGNITUDE too small!!!

That's a problem. You need to fix it.

>You are talking about EMR from the sun and comparing it to gravity.

He is comparing the EM radiation from the acceleratng electrons in the atoms
and comparing it to the magically created energy from your 10^-34 smaller
whatever.

> EMR from the sun has NOTHING to do with Gravity.

Nobody mentioned the sun until you did.

>Neutrinos from the sun and stars push GALAXIES apart.

Neutrinos hardly interact with matter at all, and are FAR too weak to
push anything apart.

Do you know how many neutrinos from the sun go through your body every
second?

>Fractal radiation pushes ATOMS apart.

At 10^-34 times too weak?

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#681440

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-17 15:56 -0700
Message-ID<f2ae0192-aeb6-4da0-9d06-adbe995a0ce2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681438
MM
"
Neutrinos hardly interact with matter at all, and are FAR too weak to 
push anything apart. "

No, dum dum.
I said neutrinos push GALAXIES apart by being absorbed by the central BLACK HOLE.

It is the smaller Fractal neutrinos that push on PROTONS.

I know it's a difficult concept, but come on- how can you keep misunderstanding it after years and years unless you're  deliberating misunderstanding, which is probably the case.

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#681447

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-17 23:20 +0000
Message-ID<pb5vfn$1p97$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#681440
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> "
> Neutrinos hardly interact with matter at all, and are FAR too weak to 
> push anything apart. "
> 
> No, dum dum.
> I said neutrinos push GALAXIES apart by being absorbed by the central BLACK HOLE.
> 
> It is the smaller Fractal neutrinos that push on PROTONS.
> 
> I know it's a difficult concept, but come on- how can you keep
> misunderstanding it after years and years unless you're  deliberating
> misunderstanding, which is probably the case.
> 

John instead of deflecting with other nonsense, let’s get back to the fact
that your idea is broken. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#681458

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-17 17:31 -0700
Message-ID<ce7e623c-f2cf-4bf6-a26d-8b1457eb316a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681447
Odd
"
John instead of deflecting with other nonsense, let’s get back to the fact 
that your idea is broken. 
"
YOUR Science is broken, Odd.
DM won't fix backwards gravity.
Point particles are entirely illogical.
BB is BS.
Virtual particles jumping in like guardian angels to make your little calculations add up is just laughable.
And thinking that math dictates reality is totally stupid- probability math is what you're doing- SURE it works well for, like, 10^23 atoms, but to claim you know what atoms are doing is the height of stupidity.

And you REALLY think that electrons don't move?

You're funny, Odd

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#681462

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2018-04-17 18:07 -0700
Message-ID<8aeee284-19e9-47f3-908d-1903bbcca19f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681458
On Tuesday, April 17, 2018 at 5:31:33 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
> Odd
> "
> John instead of deflecting with other nonsense, let’s get back to the fact 
> that your idea is broken. 
> "
> YOUR Science is broken, Odd.
> DM won't fix backwards gravity.
> Point particles are entirely illogical.
> BB is BS.
> Virtual particles jumping in like guardian angels to make your little calculations add up is just laughable.
> And thinking that math dictates reality is totally stupid- probability math is what you're doing- SURE it works well for, like, 10^23 atoms, but to claim you know what atoms are doing is the height of stupidity.

And yet, John, you think that atoms and galaxies are essentially the same things... and THIS is not the height of stupidity? 

You have no fucking clue about physics, John, none at all...

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#681464

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-18 01:14 +0000
Message-ID<pb665h$1rs$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#681458
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "
> John instead of deflecting with other nonsense, let’s get back to the fact 
> that your idea is broken. 
> "
> YOUR Science is broken, Odd.

Not according to the measure that matters in science: the agreement between
data and prediction. That’s the only thing that matters. The only thing. 

> DM won't fix backwards gravity.

Maybe. Maybe not. Data will tell. 

> Point particles are entirely illogical.

They agree with data, the only thing that matters. 

> BB is BS.

It agrees with data, the only thing that matters. 

> Virtual particles jumping in like guardian angels to make your little
> calculations add up is just laughable.

It agrees with data, the only thing that matters. 

> And thinking that math dictates reality is totally stupid- probability
> math is what you're doing- SURE it works well for, like, 10^23 atoms, but
> to claim you know what atoms are doing is the height of stupidity.

It agrees with data, the only thing that matters. 

> 
> And you REALLY think that electrons don't move?

Repeat back to me what I said, not how you recast it. Stop lying about what
I say!

> 
> You're funny, Odd
> 

And you don’t care about the only thing that matters in science. Instead,
you care about a bunch of other things that DON’T MATTER!!


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#681448

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-17 23:29 +0000
Message-ID<pb601c$id2$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681440
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"
>Neutrinos hardly interact with matter at all, and are FAR too weak to 
>push anything apart. "

>No, dum dum.
>I said neutrinos push GALAXIES apart by being absorbed by the central BLACK HOLE.

Oh good grief.

A black hole is a very small target, relatively speaking.  While
a black hole will absorb all neutrinos that cross its event horizon,
just about all the others will whiz by unaffected, even if deflected
by its gravity.

And how many neutrinos are you going to need to push on a 1 billion
solar mass BH and have *any* noticeable effect? Or even a 1 million
solar mass BH? How about a 1 solar mass BH?

>It is the smaller Fractal neutrinos that push on PROTONS.

>I know it's a difficult concept,

It's not a 'difficult concept'. It's nonsense babbling.

> but come on- how can you keep misunderstanding it after years and 
>years unless you're  deliberating misunderstanding, which 
>is probably the case.

No, if it fails the "does it match the results of existing 
experiments" test, I simply reject it as proven false.

Not to mention that you NEVER explain any of your 'logic'.

I mean, what would you think of a beautiful theory that explained
all kinds of things, but a consequence of this fantastic theory was
that our sky is a bright pumpkin orange with purple polkadots?

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#681501

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-17 23:38 -0700
Message-ID<7b22ff42-b426-4186-a36d-5b71cb62beab@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681448
MM
"

>No, dum dum. 
>I said neutrinos push GALAXIES apart by being absorbed by the central BLACK HOLE. 

Oh good grief. 

A black hole is a very small target, relatively speaking.  While 
a black hole will absorb all neutrinos that cross its event horizon, 
just about all the others will whiz by unaffected, even if deflected 
by its gravity. 

And how many neutrinos are you going to need to push on a 1 billion 
solar mass BH and have *any* noticeable effect? Or even a 1 million 
solar mass BH? How about a 1 solar mass BH?"

Perhaps you should read up on LeSage (Fatio) gravity, Michael.
This is PRECISELY what is REQUIRED!!!!!!!
MOST of the Matter must be transparent for it to work, you foolish boy.
PLUS, as you know, in my model the Black Holes are DISCS and when they are EDGE-ON, they are virtually IMPOSSIBLE to hit!!!!!

Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha!!!!!

Thanks, Michael, for illuminating how exactly perfect my model is for LeSage/Fatio. You're a GEM!!!!
 

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#681574

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-18 17:23 +0000
Message-ID<pb7uui$os$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681501
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"

>>No, dum dum. 
>>I said neutrinos push GALAXIES apart by being absorbed by the central BLACK HOLE. 

>Oh good grief. 

>A black hole is a very small target, relatively speaking.  While 
>a black hole will absorb all neutrinos that cross its event horizon, 
>just about all the others will whiz by unaffected, even if deflected 
>by its gravity. 

>And how many neutrinos are you going to need to push on a 1 billion 
>solar mass BH and have *any* noticeable effect? Or even a 1 million 
>solar mass BH? How about a 1 solar mass BH?"

>Perhaps you should read up on LeSage (Fatio) gravity, Michael.

We've already ruled out LeSage Gravity as unworkable. Too many problems
with it.

>This is PRECISELY what is REQUIRED!!!!!!!

Neutrinos (or something) from stars? That isn't what LeSage gravity is
all about. For LeSage gravity to work, the "ultramundane particles" must
arrive isotropically from outside the universe, from every direction.
Coming from only other objects would cause those objects to REPEL each
other, not attract.

>MOST of the Matter must be transparent for it to work, you foolish boy.

Yes, and that which is absorbed would supply massive energy to the mass,
plus there is drag for matter moving relative to the reference frame of
the "ultramundane particles", plus gravitational shielding, etc. etc.
That's why they gave up on LeSage Gravity centuries ago!

>PLUS, as you know, in my model

You still haven't come up with a proper model.

> the Black Holes are DISCS

Nonrotating black holes would have perfect spheres as event horizons.
Rotating BHs would have oblate spheroids.

> and when they are EDGE-ON, they are virtually IMPOSSIBLE to hit!!!!!

And what would define that? Oh yeah, you have no model so no answer
to that.

>Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha!!!!!

Sounds like the maniacal laughter of the insane to me.

>Thanks, Michael, for illuminating how exactly perfect my model is for LeSage/Fatio. You're a GEM!!!!

Huh? You still have to deal with the failure of the LeSage model.

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#681583

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-18 10:55 -0700
Message-ID<71bf27d7-48d4-443a-8f80-2d416f99fe3a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681574
MM
“REQUIRED!!!!!!! 

Neutrinos (or something) from stars? That isn't what LeSage gravity is 
all about. For LeSage gravity to work, the "ultramundane ”

Your comprehension level is not up to this idea, Michael.

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#681592

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-18 20:15 +0000
Message-ID<pb8908$vop$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#681583
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"REQUIRED!!!!!!!

>Neutrinos (or something) from stars? That isn't what LeSage gravity is
>all about. For LeSage gravity to work, the "ultramundane "

>Your comprehension level is not up to this idea, Michael.

I am not sure what you are even talking about. You removed about all
context.

Anyway, stuff from other matter isn't how LeSage gravity works (or
would work, if it worked at all, which it doesn't). It theorizes an
isotropic stream of "ultramundane corpuscles" from everywhere.

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#681595

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-18 13:51 -0700
Message-ID<06a70d9a-181b-41c9-bd9a-bcd9ba75a4d7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#681592
MM
“
I am not sure what you are even talking about. You removed about all 
context. 

Anyway, stuff from other matter isn't how LeSage gravity works (or 
would work, if it worked at all, which it doesn't). It theorizes an 
isotropic stream of "ultramundane corpuscles" from everywhere. ”
Fractal neutrinos coming from the ELECTRON MATTER in ALL MATTER at 9Xc and hitting the teeny-weeny protons only when they’re face-on doesn’t fit the bill? Neutrinos are fermions.

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#681615

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-19 00:21 +0000
Message-ID<pb8nds$3a1$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#681595
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> “
> I am not sure what you are even talking about. You removed about all 
> context. 
> 
> Anyway, stuff from other matter isn't how LeSage gravity works (or 
> would work, if it worked at all, which it doesn't). It theorizes an 
> isotropic stream of "ultramundane corpuscles" from everywhere. ”
> Fractal neutrinos coming from the ELECTRON MATTER in ALL MATTER at 9Xc
> and hitting the teeny-weeny protons only when they’re face-on doesn’t fit
> the bill? Neutrinos are fermions.
> 

Which is how you know they can’t be emitted by electrons, which are also
fermions. Violates conservation of angular momentum. Idea is dead before
gate opens. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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