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  I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 00:39 -0700
    Start Killer (StartKiller.COM) removes Win10's Start Button. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 08:26 -0700
    Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 17:07 +0000
      Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 12:22 -0500
        Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 14:31 -0500
          You don't have to use old code, you can/should rewrite it. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 12:39 -0700
            Re: You don't have to use old code, you can/should rewrite it. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 14:53 -0500
              Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 14:46 -0700
                Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 17:08 -0500
                  Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 22:13 +0000
                    Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 18:42 -0500
                Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 15:11 -0700
                  Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 17:15 -0700
                Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-08-05 07:56 -0400
                  "The Bachelor" (on the TV show) is a prissy bottom. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-05 10:45 -0700
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 14:06 +0000
                  Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:13 -0400
                    Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 14:31 +0000
                      Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:06 -0400
                        Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 17:26 +0200
                          Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:29 -0400
                            Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 15:42 +0000
                              Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 12:00 -0400
                                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 16:11 +0000
                                  Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 12:37 -0400
                                    Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 18:51 +0200
                                      Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 12:59 -0400
                                        Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 19:04 +0200
                                          Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 17:48 +0000
                                            Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 20:07 +0200
                                              Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 18:09 +0000
                                                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:26 -0400
                                                  Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 19:30 +0000
                                                    Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-05 12:44 -0700
                                                    Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 15:50 -0400
                                                    Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-08-05 15:47 -0700
                                                    Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-07 14:14 -0500
                                                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:21 -0500
                                            Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:28 -0500
                                              Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 19:33 +0000
                                                Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:40 -0500
                                                  Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 15:55 -0400
                                                    Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 20:28 +0000
                                                      Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 15:37 -0500
                                                        Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 07:01 -0400
                                                  Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 20:33 +0000
                          What's better: a pen or a pencil ?  Salvador Dali used both. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-05 11:17 -0700
                            Re: What's better: a pen or a pencil ?  Salvador Dali used both. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:31 -0400
                              Re: What's better: a pen or a pencil ?  Salvador Dali used both. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 19:45 +0000
                            Re: What's better: a pen or a pencil ?  Salvador Dali used both. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 19:35 +0000
                  Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:21 -0500
                    Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 17:02 +0200
                      Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:26 -0400
            Re: You don't have to use old code, you can/should rewrite it. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 21:20 +0000
            Re: You don't have to use old code, you can/should rewrite it. Rock Brentwood <federation2005@netzero.com> - 2015-08-04 15:46 -0700
              Show us your source code. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 17:26 -0700
              Show us your source code. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 17:29 -0700
          Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Rock Brentwood <federation2005@netzero.com> - 2015-08-04 15:40 -0700
            Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-04 22:59 +0000
            Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 23:00 +0000
              Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 18:45 -0500
        Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 01:38 -0400
      Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 13:46 -0400
      Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 11:31 -0700
        Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-08-04 13:54 -0700
          Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 21:16 +0000
            Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 16:26 -0500
              Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-04 21:35 +0000
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 16:50 -0500
                  Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 07:57 -0400
              Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-08-04 21:38 +0000
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 23:36 -0700
              Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 21:48 +0000
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 16:53 -0500
                  Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 22:08 +0000
                    Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 17:28 -0500
                      Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 22:47 +0000
                        Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 18:06 -0500
                          Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 18:52 -0500
                          Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-05 00:22 +0000
                        Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-07 07:50 -0500
                    Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-07 11:45 -0500
            Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 17:10 -0500
              Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 15:21 -0700
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 22:37 +0000
                  Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 18:56 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-08-05 08:11 -0400
                  Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 08:09 -0500
                    Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:24 -0400
                      Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:09 -0500
                        Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:03 -0400
                          Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:10 -0500
                            Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:22 -0400
                            Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:30 -0400
                              Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:34 -0500
                          Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-05 11:03 -0700
                          Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 04:18 -0500
                            Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-06 17:48 +0000
                              Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 07:59 -0500
                                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 08:42 -0500
                                  Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-07 17:35 +0000
                                    Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 13:57 -0500
                                      Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-07 19:44 +0000
                                        Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 15:03 -0500
                                          Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-07 20:23 +0000
                                            Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 15:45 -0500
                                              Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-07 21:05 +0000
                                                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 16:38 -0500
                                                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-07 16:04 -0700
                                    Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 13:59 -0500
                                    Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 14:00 -0500
                                    Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 18:19 -0500
                                      Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-07 16:46 -0700
                                  Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 18:17 -0500
                                    Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-08 01:01 +0000
                                      Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-07 19:03 -0700
                                      Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 03:38 -0500
                        Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-05 21:05 +0000
                    Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 13:51 +0000
                      Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:56 -0500
                        Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:32 -0400
                        Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 18:07 +0000
                          Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Apollyon <adravirgo@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:11 -0700
                          Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:05 -0500
                            Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:16 -0700
                            Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 20:45 +0000
                              Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 16:52 -0500
                                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 22:26 +0000
                    Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 01:24 -0400
                      Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 05:43 -0400
                        Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 07:43 -0500
                  Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-05 10:10 -0700
              Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 16:30 -0700
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 08:05 -0400
                  Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:50 -0700
                    Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 18:00 +0000
                      Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:00 -0500
                    Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "Buck Futter" <invalid@example.com> - 2015-08-05 22:35 -0700
                      Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 01:50 -0700
                  Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 04:18 -0500
          I'm watching you right now. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 14:19 -0700
            Re: I'm watching you right now. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 16:36 -0500
            Re: I'm watching you right now. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-08-04 17:16 -0700
              Ubuntu Spyware: What to do? Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 17:41 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu Spyware: What to do? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-08-06 12:29 -0700
              Re: I'm watching you right now. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 03:47 +0000
                Re: I'm watching you right now. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:11 -0500
                  Re: I'm watching you right now. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-05 21:22 +0000
                    Re: I'm watching you right now. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-06 00:53 +0000
          Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 08:55 -0500
            Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-05 21:30 +0000
        Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "Mahipal" <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 17:44 -0700
          Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 18:01 -0700
      Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-04 14:34 -0500
        Indirectly, you (chrisv) see my posts. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 12:46 -0700
      Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 06:54 -0400

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#511380 — Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite.

"Melzzzzz" <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote in message 
news:20150805172614.56bb9be0@maxa-pc...
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 11:06:40 -0400
> "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Fabian Russell" <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2015.08.05.14.31.36@localhost.localdomain...
>> > On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 10:13:07 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Yet programmers who would wipe the floor with a dimwit like you
>> >> manage to do
>> >> "real programming" with object oriented languages every day.
>> >>
>> >
>> > That's because real programmers wrote the classes that are then
>> > blindly utilized by the pseudo-programming C# crowd.
>> >
>> > If a C# coder had to write his own classes ... forget about it.
>> >
>>
>> You didn't limit this to C# programming. Your idiotic claim was:
>>
>>    > Coding in C#, or any other object oriented language,
>>    > is *not* programming.  It is only arranging predetermined
>>    > classes like a child will arrange toy blocks.
>>
>> Note the "any other object oriented language" part.
>>
>> So in your tiny mind the person who implements yet another
>> string-class or hashtable is a "real programmer" and real-man. But
>> the person who uses for example Java classes to build a transactional
>> distributed data processing system isn't really a programmer.
>>
>> In your world idiots who keep re-inventing the same wheel by writing
>> more string classes, more collection classes, etc are "real
>> programmers." But the developers who write Libre Office, GIMP, etc
>> are not "real programmers" because they're only "arranging
>> predetermined classes like a child will arrange toy blocks."
>>
>> Like I said before. You're a clueless idiot. Plain and simple.
>>
>
> Actually he is not. I know at least one C# programmer who is not
> capable to grasp algorithm if there is no handy class around.
> So actually if there is trivial solution to problem, such programmer
> would rather use some complex class, which does same thing, but with
> bloat, simply because he is not capable to come with algorithm.

"I know at least one C# programmer" - your sample of *one* programmer means 
nothing.

There are 100's of thousands (perhaps millions) of programmers who use 
object oriented languages.

-- 
(Iterating nodes in an XML document) "kind of defeats the point of XML."

JED the clueless poser
<slrnjm7bum.k2p.jedi@nomad.mishnet>

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#511389 — Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite.

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:29:00 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

> 
> There are 100's of thousands (perhaps millions) of programmers who use 
> object oriented languages.
>

Those figures alone are proof of all that I have claimed.

Thanks to OO, the job of the "programmer" is as simple as flipping
hamburgers.

Need a fully functional CRUD-capable web site?  Visual Studio will
build one for you in three mouse clicks.

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#511393 — Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite.

"Fabian Russell" <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message 
news:pan.2015.08.05.15.43.33@localhost.localdomain...
> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:29:00 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>>
>> There are 100's of thousands (perhaps millions) of programmers who use
>> object oriented languages.
>>
>
> Those figures alone are proof of all that I have claimed.
>
> Thanks to OO, the job of the "programmer" is as simple as flipping
> hamburgers.
>
> Need a fully functional CRUD-capable web site?  Visual Studio will
> build one for you in three mouse clicks.
>

You're an idiot. Either that our you do a damn good job of playing one on 
Usenet.

According to your tiny little brain - some kid who writes a "string class" 
is a real programmer because they implemented a low-level class that's 
already been done dozens of times over.

But someone who uses objects to write a SQL engine isn't a programmer. The 
person may have written the SQL lexer, which is then fed into a SQL parser 
which then generates an optimized execution plan to run the query. But the 
person who's capable of writing a complex system like this isn't a "real 
programmer" according to an idiot like you because they're doing complex 
high-level work using objects instead of writing string classes like "real 
programmers" do.

My bet is that you're some junior moron at a software company. No 
intelligent person or anyone with experience would say anything as 
incredibly ignorant as you did.

   > Coding in C#, or any other object oriented language,
   > is *not* programming.  It is only arranging predetermined
   > classes like a child will arrange toy blocks.

LOL. Keep telling yourself that.

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#511395 — Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite.

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 12:00:34 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

> 
> But someone who uses objects to write a SQL engine isn't a programmer.
>

Don't waste time arguing about it.  The next new version of C#/.NET
is about to be released with oodles of new OO features.

Forget about family, friends, and life in general.  You gotta pass
the new round of certification exams.  Then you'll be job secure for
at least six months.

LOL!  Microsoft has created an entire generation of patsy pseudo-programmers
to stoke the profits on its server OS and general OS.

Keep slaving for Microsoft, boys.  Drink deep the Kool-Aid.

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#511400 — Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite.

"Fabian Russell" <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message 
news:pan.2015.08.05.16.11.51@localhost.localdomain...
> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 12:00:34 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>>
>> But someone who uses objects to write a SQL engine isn't a programmer.
>>
>
> Don't waste time arguing about it.  The next new version of C#/.NET
> is about to be released with oodles of new OO features.

So? It doesn't affect me or anyone else who doesn't use C#/NET in their job.


> Forget about family, friends, and life in general.  You gotta pass
> the new round of certification exams.  Then you'll be job secure for
> at least six months.

What certification exams do I gotta pass? Is that similar to the 
"certification exams" that Redhat has?

   http://www.redhat.com/en/services/certification

The certification is there for anyone who wants/needs this but that's all it 
is.


> LOL!  Microsoft has created an entire generation of patsy 
> pseudo-programmers
> to stoke the profits on its server OS and general OS.

Meanwhile you're one of the generation of ignorant idiots who thinks that 
"real programmers" don't use object oriented languages.

   > Coding in C#, or any other object oriented language,
   > is *not* programming.  It is only arranging predetermined
   > classes like a child will arrange toy blocks.


> Keep slaving for Microsoft, boys.  Drink deep the Kool-Aid.

I don't work or slave for Microsoft. But I'm experienced and intelligent 
enough to understand that some very sophisticated software is written using 
object oriented languages. Something that's obviously too difficult for a 
moron such as you to understand.


-- 
"Coding in C#, or any other object oriented language, is *not* programming. 
It is only arranging predetermined classes like a child will arrange toy 
blocks."

Some idiot named Fabian Russell

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#511403 — Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite.

On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 12:37:05 -0400
"Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> wrote:

> 
> "Fabian Russell" <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message 
> 
> > Keep slaving for Microsoft, boys.  Drink deep the Kool-Aid.
> 
> I don't work or slave for Microsoft. But I'm experienced and
> intelligent enough to understand that some very sophisticated
> software is written using object oriented languages.

We are talking about C#. Same lame techinques don't work as well on
C++ ;)
Said C# programmer couldn't pool out C++ libs, he simply couldn't use
them and algorithm was beyond his comprehension ;)

 Something that's
> obviously too difficult for a moron such as you to understand.

I agree with him. C# is for "programmers"
> 
> 

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#511405 — Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite.

"Melzzzzz" <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote in message 
news:20150805185100.207e7cb5@maxa-pc...
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 12:37:05 -0400
> "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Fabian Russell" <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
>>
>> > Keep slaving for Microsoft, boys.  Drink deep the Kool-Aid.
>>
>> I don't work or slave for Microsoft. But I'm experienced and
>> intelligent enough to understand that some very sophisticated
>> software is written using object oriented languages.
>
> We are talking about C#. Same lame techinques don't work as well on
> C++ ;)

No - that idiot is  talking about any object oriented language:

    "Coding in C#, or any other object oriented language,
    is *not* programming.  It is only arranging predetermined
    classes like a child will arrange toy blocks."


> Said C# programmer couldn't pool out C++ libs, he simply couldn't use
> them and algorithm was beyond his comprehension ;)

That's nice for that *one* said C# programmer. I'm sure there's a complete 
idiot C++ programmer somewhere and a complete idiot assembly language 
programmer somewhere and a complete idiot Java programmer out there too. 
It's a big world after all.


> Something that's
>> obviously too difficult for a moron such as you to understand.
>
> I agree with him. C# is for "programmers"

    "Coding in C#, or any other object oriented language,
    is *not* programming.  It is only arranging predetermined
    classes like a child will arrange toy blocks."

He's a complete idiot. He's too stupid to realize how ignorant he is.

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#511406 — Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite.

On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 12:59:40 -0400
"Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> wrote:

> 
> "Melzzzzz" <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote in message 
> news:20150805185100.207e7cb5@maxa-pc...
> > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 12:37:05 -0400
> > "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "Fabian Russell" <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
> >>
> >> > Keep slaving for Microsoft, boys.  Drink deep the Kool-Aid.
> >>
> >> I don't work or slave for Microsoft. But I'm experienced and
> >> intelligent enough to understand that some very sophisticated
> >> software is written using object oriented languages.
> >
> > We are talking about C#. Same lame techinques don't work as well on
> > C++ ;)
> 
> No - that idiot is  talking about any object oriented language:
> 
>     "Coding in C#, or any other object oriented language,
>     is *not* programming.  It is only arranging predetermined
>     classes like a child will arrange toy blocks."
> 
> 
> > Said C# programmer couldn't pool out C++ libs, he simply couldn't
> > use them and algorithm was beyond his comprehension ;)
> 
> That's nice for that *one* said C# programmer. I'm sure there's a
> complete idiot C++ programmer somewhere and a complete idiot assembly
> language programmer somewhere and a complete idiot Java programmer
> out there too. It's a big world after all.
> 
> 
> > Something that's
> >> obviously too difficult for a moron such as you to understand.
> >
> > I agree with him. C# is for "programmers"
> 
>     "Coding in C#, or any other object oriented language,
>     is *not* programming.  It is only arranging predetermined
>     classes like a child will arrange toy blocks."

Hm. Any other? Nah...

> 
> He's a complete idiot. He's too stupid to realize how ignorant he is.
> 
Actually OO is much harder to design,program and understand then C &
assembler.
C is so popular because of it's simplicity to learn and grasp.

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#511416 — Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite.

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 19:04:38 +0200, Melzzzzz wrote:

>
> Actually OO is much harder to design,program and understand then C &
> assembler.
>

Can God make a rock so heavy that he can't lift it?

Well, man has succeeded in making a programming language so
needlessly complex that he can't fully utilize it.

I stress the term "needlessly."  Higher orders of useless abstraction
seems to be the new testosterone supplement.


>
> C is so popular because of it's simplicity to learn and grasp.
>

Thus greatly relieving the programmer and allowing him to focus
on problem analysis which is the essence of programming.  Coding
is only, at best, a secondary activity.

Anything that can be done in C++ can be done in C.  There is
absolutely no need for it.

After all, an "object" is only a glorified (deified?) subroutine.

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#511419 — Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite.

On 5 Aug 2015 17:48:23 GMT
Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote:

> 
> After all, an "object" is only a glorified (deified?) subroutine.
> 
Object is struct with associated functions that take said struct as
first parameter. Other thing is that object can have associate function
pointer table called vtable.
Other thing is that object member variables can have restricted access
and special member functions (eg constructor).

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#511421 — Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite.

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 20:07:37 +0200, Melzzzzz wrote:


> Object is struct with associated functions that take said struct as
> first parameter. Other thing is that object can have associate function
> pointer table called vtable.
> Other thing is that object member variables can have restricted access
> and special member functions (eg constructor).
>

Just like I said.  It is a glorified subroutine.

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#511426 — Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite.

"Fabian Russell" <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message 
news:pan.2015.08.05.18.09.56@localhost.localdomain...
> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 20:07:37 +0200, Melzzzzz wrote:
>
>
>> Object is struct with associated functions that take said struct as
>> first parameter. Other thing is that object can have associate function
>> pointer table called vtable.
>> Other thing is that object member variables can have restricted access
>> and special member functions (eg constructor).

When combined, objects have well defined interfaces and are able to 
programatically enforce how those interfaces are used and what code is 
allowed to use those interfaces.


>
> Just like I said.  It is a glorified subroutine.
>

When all you know is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.


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>Citi Bank, etc writes an email, internal document or spreadsheet
>they don't want Google to see each and every word they write?

Didn't think you had the brains that God gave a cockroach, fsckwit.

How about encrypting things that they don't want others to see?

turdv "thinks" that encryption will magically provide privacy on the docs 
and spreadsheets you edit, calculate and spell-check online. Google can 
spell-check your document but if it's encrypted they won't be able to read 
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#511445 — Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite.

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 14:26:06 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

> 
> When all you know is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
>

That's because at the machine level, which is where all this abstract
shit finally ends up, all you have are nails.

I began programming in machine language and I will stay in machine
language until I croak.  That's because the machine is all that
there is.  Everything else is someone else's sick hallucination.

Every time I peruse someones high level code, and especially OO,
I literally cringe.  What kind of insane idiot would ever want to
do things that way?  These OO motherfuckers are perhaps the stupidest
of the stupid.

Even C, which is very close to the machine, has its insane drawbacks.

Recently I was converting some 32-bit C code to make it run on
64-bit machines. This is how the original author chose to access
certain structure fields:

(*(imageType**)&(image)->clientData[0])

((imageType*)(image))->primaryX=(x)

What kind of brain-dead jackass moron would ever want to write such
lunatic pointer constructions?

These fools have their heads in the clouds, or perhaps I should
say they have their heads up their fucking assess.

Only an insane idiot overlays a simple machine with layer upon
layer of useless abstractions.

You are just another brainwashed, deluded idiot that is emotionally
supported by a community of brainwashed, deluded idiots.

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#511450 — Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite.

On 8/5/15, 12:30 PM, in article
pan.2015.08.05.19.30.35@localhost.localdomain, "Fabian Russell"
<root@localhost.localdomain> wrote:

> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 14:26:06 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
> 
>> 
>> When all you know is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
>> 
> 
> That's because at the machine level, which is where all this abstract
> shit finally ends up, all you have are nails.
> 
> I began programming in machine language and I will stay in machine
> language until I croak.  That's because the machine is all that
> there is.  Everything else is someone else's sick hallucination.

Your choice, but let us not pretend that this does not limit the type of
programming you do. But that is fine. I am not a programmer at all - that
limits my programming even more. :)

I do some simple scripting... and even some not-so-simple scripting. But I
am not a programmer.
... 



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#511454 — Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite.

"Fabian Russell" <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message 
news:pan.2015.08.05.19.30.35@localhost.localdomain...
> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 14:26:06 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>>
>> When all you know is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
>>
>
> That's because at the machine level, which is where all this abstract
> shit finally ends up, all you have are nails.

Well fuck then - why even bother with programming languages at all.

Everything ends up as processor op-codes in the end so why bother. All those 
pesky little things like efficiency, reliability, code maintainability, 
reuse, etc don't matter. Just write everything in assembler... or better 
yet, just type in the hex op-codes directly and skip all that unwanted 
language nuisance.


> I began programming in machine language and I will stay in machine
> language until I croak.  That's because the machine is all that
> there is.  Everything else is someone else's sick hallucination.

Good for you dinosaur. Enjoy your black&white tube powered television while 
your at it.

Don't let progress get in the way of your inability to learn something 
better and new.


> Every time I peruse someones high level code, and especially OO,
> I literally cringe.  What kind of insane idiot would ever want to
> do things that way?  These OO motherfuckers are perhaps the stupidest
> of the stupid.

Riiiiight. The whole world is stupid and you're just the last remaning smart 
person out there.


> Even C, which is very close to the machine, has its insane drawbacks.

Then stick to programming in machine language. What takes you a week to do a 
college kid can do in less than a day.


> Recently I was converting some 32-bit C code to make it run on
> 64-bit machines. This is how the original author chose to access
> certain structure fields:
>
 > (*(imageType**)&(image)->clientData[0])
>
> ((imageType*)(image))->primaryX=(x)
>
> What kind of brain-dead jackass moron would ever want to write such
> lunatic pointer constructions?

The same type of brain-dead jackass moron who would do the same thing in 
assembler/machine language. That's who.

Blame the user, not the tool.


> These fools have their heads in the clouds, or perhaps I should
> say they have their heads up their fucking assess.

Riiiiiight. Says the antiquated dinosaur who refuses to move on. Do you 
still have a "pager" because those new smartphone gadgets are too new for 
you?


> Only an insane idiot overlays a simple machine with layer upon
> layer of useless abstractions.

Only a bigger idiot jackass would make a ignorant statement like:

     "Coding in C#, or any other object oriented language,
     is *not* programming.  It is only arranging predetermined
     classes like a child will arrange toy

Oh wait... that was you. LOL.


> You are just another brainwashed, deluded idiot that is emotionally
> supported by a community of brainwashed, deluded idiots.

Tell me again how only the slow, buggy error-prone programming that you did 
back in the 1970's is the only "real programming" out there!   I could use a 
good laugh and a loser like you might be dumber than shit.... but at least 
you're funny.

-- 
"Coding in C#, or any other object oriented language, is *not* programming.
It is only arranging predetermined classes like a child will arrange toy
blocks."

Some idiot named Fabian Russell
5 Aug 2015 <pan.2015.08.05.14.06.13@localhost.localdomain>

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#511480 — Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite.

On 08/05/2015 12:30 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 14:26:06 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
> 
>>
>> When all you know is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
>>
> 
> That's because at the machine level, which is where all this abstract
> shit finally ends up, all you have are nails.
> 
> I began programming in machine language and I will stay in machine
> language until I croak.  That's because the machine is all that
> there is.  Everything else is someone else's sick hallucination.
> 
> Every time I peruse someones high level code, and especially OO,
> I literally cringe.  What kind of insane idiot would ever want to
> do things that way?  These OO motherfuckers are perhaps the stupidest
> of the stupid.
> 
> Even C, which is very close to the machine, has its insane drawbacks.
> 
> Recently I was converting some 32-bit C code to make it run on
> 64-bit machines. This is how the original author chose to access
> certain structure fields:
> 
> (*(imageType**)&(image)->clientData[0])
> 
> ((imageType*)(image))->primaryX=(x)
> 
> What kind of brain-dead jackass moron would ever want to write such
> lunatic pointer constructions?
> 
> These fools have their heads in the clouds, or perhaps I should
> say they have their heads up their fucking assess.
> 
> Only an insane idiot overlays a simple machine with layer upon
> layer of useless abstractions.
> 
> You are just another brainwashed, deluded idiot that is emotionally
> supported by a community of brainwashed, deluded idiots.
> 

Looks like a classic example of Poe's Law.

(What does this have to do with cola or sci.physics?)

-- 
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You are wise, witty, and wonderful,
but you spend too much time reading this sort of trash.

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#511771 — Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite.

On 8/5/2015 2:30 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 14:26:06 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>>
>> When all you know is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
>>
>
> That's because at the machine level, which is where all this abstract
> shit finally ends up, all you have are nails.
>
> I began programming in machine language and I will stay in machine
> language until I croak.  That's because the machine is all that
> there is.  Everything else is someone else's sick hallucination.

well, they got sick programming in assy, and moved on up to C

assy just killed me,
gad that stuff is tedious,
if you get 1 bit wrong, your hosed.

Ever program in FORTH ?  (nice RPN stack machine)

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#511443 — Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite.

On 8/5/2015 1:09 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 20:07:37 +0200, Melzzzzz wrote:
>
>
>> Object is struct with associated functions that take said struct as
>> first parameter. Other thing is that object can have associate function
>> pointer table called vtable.
>> Other thing is that object member variables can have restricted access
>> and special member functions (eg constructor).
>>
>
> Just like I said.  It is a glorified subroutine.
>
>

There are certain people who pride themselves on being fiercely 
independent. If given the option to reinvent the wheel, they will 
usually take that path. They believe strongly in self-education and 
think dimly of institutional learning. If you are one of these, you are 
very likely libertarian in your politics and a staunch atheist. You tend 
to be suspicious of authority, sometimes to conspiracy-theory extremism. 
On the other hand, you are more likely to be living alone. You don't 
belong to any large social group, and you would hate to ever have to 
depend on your friends to help you in time of need.

If you fit this description, then you were probably raised that this 
self-reliance is a virtue.

However, MOST people are more social, have come to value being able to 
lean on friends when they need to. Most people declare some religious 
belief in something larger than themselves. Most people like working on 
teams where there is no single member that can do everything required, 
but instead there is an expectation that everyone brings something 
unique to the table. Most people like the idea of passing on knowledge 
from one generation to the next, so that you don't have to start from 
scratch figuring everything out yourself. MOST people believe humans are 
a social species and are not meant to operate alone.

-- 
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#511427 — Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite.

On 8/5/15 12:48 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
> Well, man has succeeded in making a programming language so
> needlessly complex that he can't fully utilize it.

   Ah ha -- the truth comes out -- to hard for you!

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#511446 — Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite.

On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:28:29 -0500, Sam Wormley wrote:

> 
>    Ah ha -- the truth comes out -- to hard for you!
>

Fuck you, idiot.  You fail to grasp any kind of rational elaboration
that goes beyond two sentences.

Incidentally, the correct spelling is "too" and not "to."

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