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  music & ai me <idatarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 02:46 -0700
    Re: music & ai R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-02 10:01 +0000
    Re: music & ai benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 01:40 -0400
      Re: music & ai Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-03 13:21 +0000
        Re: music & ai noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 13:34 -0700
          Re: music & ai Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-03 21:52 +0000

#510818 — music & ai

http://www.last.fm/music/d.o.kumi-o/Virtuoso


would ai be able to generate music? what about game theory?


-suresh

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#510820

me <idatarm@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.last.fm/music/d.o.kumi-o/Virtuoso
> would ai be able to generate music? 

For 30-40 years that I know of. Mostly in LISP from my experience.

> what about game theory?

More interesting. GT finds good or optimal stretegies in
situations where there are opposing goals. Certainly some
composition could be frame in such a way. But I have not
head of such, not that music comp is in my area. :)

> -suresh


--
For every credibility gap, there is a gullibility fill.
-- Richard Clopton

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#510901

On 08/02/2015 05:46 AM, me wrote:
> http://www.last.fm/music/d.o.kumi-o/Virtuoso
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> would ai be able to generate music? what about game theory?
>
>
> -suresh

Sure, music. But AI can't communicate with God so the music will be crap.



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#510930

On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 01:40:41 -0400, benj wrote:

> 
> Sure, music. But AI can't communicate with God so the music will be crap.
>

Will it?

In the first place, most current music and art is produced by AI of
the flesh and blood variety.  Ever hear of "Tin Pan Alley?"  It
is merely the designation for a collection of human automatons
that grind out popular music according to preconceived formulas
and templates.  There is no inspired creativity (or "communication
with God" as you call it) happening.  It is all automatic, artificial,
and contrived.

Secondly, some people find fractal art, that is imagery generated
according to certain mathematical algorithms, and even fractal music
to be fascinating and enjoyable.  I, personally, find such patterns, in
spite of a seemingly variegated nature, to be far too regular and predictable
to be of any interest.  In my case, an enlightened insight into the
actual process destroys the experience.

But then an enlightened insight can destroy the beauty of all the
classic music and art that is held in such high esteem by our civilization.

AI generated music (of the machine variety) need not be "crap" to
some listeners.  Indeed, the aleatory, or purely random, movement in music
(e.g. Karlheinz Stockhausen) has a devoted following. 

Let's face the facts.  Art is based in spectacle, and the enjoyment
thereof depends in large part on pure ignorance.

For me, truthfully, the only sounds that can satisfy are pure noise.

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#511048

12-tone is garbage, although I have not heard any
of the calssically trained S-guy.

what is the canonical magor key, not C

> some listeners.  Indeed, the aleatory, or purely random, movement in music
> (e.g. Karlheinz Stockhausen) has a devoted following. 
> 
> Let's face the facts.  Art is based in spectacle, and the enjoyment
> thereof depends in large part on pure ignorance.
> 
> For me, truthfully, the only sounds that can satisfy are pure noise.

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#511061

On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 13:34:10 -0700, noTthaTguY wrote:

> 12-tone is garbage,
> 

That judgment doesn't mean very much coming from someone
who idolizes Lady Gaga while munching a bag of Cheetos and
swilling a can of diet soda.

Don't blame the aspartame.  You were born that way.

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