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IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

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  IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING  it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-08 01:43 -0700
    Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 12:09 +0000
      Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-08 05:57 -0700
        Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 13:56 +0000
          Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-08 10:34 -0700
            Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 20:36 +0000
              Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-08 16:59 -0700
                Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 02:09 +0000
                  Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-08 21:56 -0700
                    Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 03:13 -0700
                      Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 11:13 +0000
                    Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 11:13 +0000
                      Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 05:26 -0700
                        Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 17:35 +0000
                          Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 11:22 -0700
                            Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 11:31 -0700
                              Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-09 18:41 +0000
                                Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 11:47 -0700
                                  Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-09 18:58 +0000
                                    Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 12:48 -0700
                                      Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-09 21:07 +0000
                                        Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 00:45 -0700
                                          Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 01:03 -0700
                                            Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-10 15:40 +0000
                                              Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 08:50 -0700
                                                Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 16:01 +0000
                                                Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-10 16:32 +0000
                                          Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-10 01:10 -0700
                                            Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-10 01:22 -0700
                                              Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 01:57 -0700
                                                Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-10 03:19 -0700
                                          Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 11:13 +0000
                                            Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-10 05:09 -0700
                                          Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-10 15:30 +0000
                                            Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 08:42 -0700
                                              Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-10 16:27 +0000
                              Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 20:06 +0000
                                Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 13:21 -0700
                                  Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-09 21:19 +0000
                                    Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 21:19 -0700
                                      Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 21:26 -0700
                                        Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 23:08 -0700
                                  Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 21:32 +0000
                                    Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 07:45 -0500
                                      Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 06:37 -0700
                                        Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 13:59 +0000
                                          Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 07:10 -0700
                                            Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 14:17 +0000
                                              Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 07:36 -0700
                                                Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 15:57 +0000
                                              Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-10 11:12 -0700
                                                Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 18:36 +0000
                                                  Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 11:50 -0700
                                                    Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 19:02 +0000
                                                      Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 13:13 -0700
                                                        Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 20:18 +0000
                                                          Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 13:22 -0700
                                                            Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 20:59 +0000
                                                              Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 14:06 -0700
                                                                Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 22:55 +0000
                                                                Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-10 23:58 +0000
                                                                  Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-10 21:58 -0700
                                                                    Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 22:06 -0700
                                                                      Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-10 23:49 -0700
                                                                        Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 13:21 +0000
                                                                          Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-11 11:37 -0700
                                                                            Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-11 11:49 -0700
                                                                              Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-11 11:59 -0700
                                                  Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-10 21:52 -0700
                                                Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 11:39 -0700
                                            Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-10 15:50 +0000
                                        Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-10 15:46 +0000
                                          Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 11:44 -0500
                                        Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 11:41 -0500
                            Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 19:57 +0000
                              Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 07:44 -0500
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#680568 — Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

Fromporaty149@gmail.com
Date2018-04-09 21:26 -0700
SubjectRe: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
Message-ID<786aeebf-e933-49e1-9223-da1d7dd7d3b3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#680567
On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 7:19:50 AM UTC+3, pora...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 12:19:13 AM UTC+3, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
> > 
> > >Odd
> > >"Empty space is NOT NOTHING. Trying to define empty space as "
> > >Okay.
> > >Now we understand 1984-speak a little better.
> > >Empty is NOT EMPTY.
> > >There is SOMETHING there, but we don't see it.
> > 
> > OK so 'empty space' means no matter whatsoever, and that's it.
> > It can still host electric, magnetic, gravitational fields etc.
> > And before you start, 'no matter' excludes the virtual particles
> > that pop into and out of existence according to QCD.
> > 
> > >How about Fractal Matter?
> > 
> > How about invisible pink fairies??
> > 
> > Since there is absolutely no evidence of either one, both can be totally
> > disregarded completely.
> > 
> > >Those are mini-atoms of 10^-40m that are everywhere in Space but can't
> > >be seen because they're too small. They are the 
> > >SOURCE of the properties we observe.
> > 
> > No, there are invisible pink fairies that are everywhere in Space but can't
> > be seen because they're invisible. They are the SOURCE of the properties we
> > observe.
> > 
> > (Do you see how the two statements are equivalent? You must think my
> > invisible pink fairies are an absurd idea.  They are, but they are no more
> > and no less absurd than your equally absurd undetectable mini-atoms.)
> > 
> > >Or do you still say NOTHING can exhibit properties of BEING? (Why do I
> > >ask? Of course the fool does.)
> > 
> > If it bothers you too much, just think 'empty' space just means no
> > actual matter, but space does 'host' electric and other fields just like
> > how space 'allows' ordinary matter to exist in it.
> ============================
> space allow ordinary matter to exist in it 
> 
> JAT NECAUSE IT IS EMPTY !!
> NO PINK LADIES 
> PINKLADIES ARE ***YOURS(( AND ODDES  AGEMTS NOT OURS!!
> not mine and not Johns just yours and your master Odd 
> 
> are you suggesting that electricity is nothing 
> just magic fairy lady ??
> 
> do you suggest the
> empty EMPT EMPTY space
> has PERMEABILITY !!!
> 
> that is a master piece of typical  shameless** 0BFUSCATION** 
> !!!!
> =======
> TIA
> Y.Porat
> ================================

don't you Moroney and your master Odd
understands that 
===============================================
HAD THERE NOT BEEN- ABSOLUTE COMPLETE EMPTY SPACE
--NO MOTION WAHTSOEVER - COULD BE DONE !!!????
no need to be a genius in order to understand it !!
=======================================================
TIA
Y.Porat
========================

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#680569 — Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

Fromporaty149@gmail.com
Date2018-04-09 23:08 -0700
SubjectRe: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
Message-ID<2b7e2bec-2fd6-49c5-b573-3a7e556f324d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#680568
On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 7:2 > > >"Empty space is NOT NOTHING. Trying to define empty space as "
> > > >Okay.
> > > >Now we understand 1984-speak a little better.
> > > >Empty is NOT EMPTY.
> > > >There is SOMETHING there, but we don't see it.
> > > 
> > > OK so 'empty space' means no matter whatsoever, and that's it.
> > > It can still host electric, magnetic, gravitational fields etc.
> > > And before you start, 'no matter' excludes the virtual particles
> > > that pop into and out of existence according to QCD.
> > > 
> > > >How about Fractal Matter?
> > > 
> > > How about invisible pink fairies??
> > > 
> > > Since there is absolutely no evidence of either one, both can be totally
> > > disregarded completely.
> > > 
> > > >Those are mini-atoms of 10^-40m that are everywhere in Space but can't
> > > >be seen because they're too small. They are the 
> > > >SOURCE of the properties we observe.
> > > > actual matter, but space does 'host' electric and other fields just like
> > > how space 'allows' ordinary matter to exist in it.
> > ============================
> > space allow ordinary matter to exist in it 
> > 
> > JAT NECAUSE IT IS EMPTY !!
> > NO PINK LADIES 
> > PINKLADIES ARE ***YOURS(( AND ODDES  AGEMTS NOT OURS!!
> > not mine and not Johns just yours and your master Odd 
> > 
> > are you suggesting that electricity is nothing 
> > just magic fairy lady ??
> > 
> > do you suggest the
> > empty EMPT EMPTY space
> > has PERMEABILITY !!!
> > 
> > that is a master piece of typical  shameless** 0BFUSCATION** 
> > !!!!
> > =======
> > TIA
> > Y.Porat
> > ================================
> 
> don't you Moroney and your master Odd
> understands that 
> ===============================================
> HAD THERE NOT BEEN- ABSOLUTE COMPLETE EMPTY SPACE
> --NO MOTION WAHTSOEVER - COULD BE DONE !!!????
> no need to be a genius in order to understand it !!
> ======================================================
copyright 
Y.Porat
========================
2
and that above assertion of mine 

is if you like (or not ..)
 even compatible with the
Pauli exclusion    rule 
=======
 TIA
 Y.Porat
 ========================

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#680511 — Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-09 21:32 +0000
SubjectRe: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
Message-ID<pagm4t$1pu5$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#680503
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "Empty space is NOT NOTHING. Trying to define empty space as "
> Okay.
> Now we understand 1984-speak a little better.
> Empty is NOT EMPTY.

Hey, John, it’s nobody’s fault but yours that you don’t bother to ASK what
a physicist means by “empty space”. Instead you just ASSUME that you can
take that to mean anything you fucking want it to mean, including “empty of
all attributes”, “empty of all properties”, “empty of existence”, and even
“empty of meaning”. In other words, your3 happy to construe it to mean
something so extreme that it is nonsensical right from the get-go, and you
don’t bother to ask yourself, “maybe that’s not what they mean”. Right??

> There is SOMETHING there, but we don't see it.
> 
> How about Fractal Matter?
> Those are mini-atoms of 10^-40m that are everywhere in Space but can't be
> seen because they're too small. They are the SOURCE of the properties we observe.
> 
> Or do you still say NOTHING can exhibit properties of BEING? 

Stop LYING about what I say. I do NOT say that nothing has properties
because I do not say empty space is nothing. YOU do. Don’t put YOUR foolish
notions in my mouth. 

> (Why do I ask? Of course the fool does.)
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#680592 — Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-10 07:45 -0500
SubjectRe: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
Message-ID<paibl1$h0c$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#680511
On 4/9/18 4:32 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Odd
>> "Empty space is NOT NOTHING. Trying to define empty space as"
>> Okay.
>> Now we understand 1984-speak a little better.
>> Empty is NOT EMPTY.
> 
> Hey, John, it’s nobody’s fault but yours that you don’t bother to ASK what
> a physicist means by “empty space”. Instead you just ASSUME that you can
> take that to mean anything you fucking want it to mean, including “empty of
> all attributes”, “empty of all properties”, “empty of existence”, and even
> “empty of meaning”. In other words, your3 happy to construe it to mean
> something so extreme that it is nonsensical right from the get-go, and you
> don’t bother to ask yourself, “maybe that’s not what they mean”. Right??
> 
>> There is SOMETHING there, but we don't see it.
>>
>> How about Fractal Matter?
>> Those are mini-atoms of 10^-40m that are everywhere in Space but can't be
>> seen because they're too small. They are the SOURCE of the properties we observe.
>>
>> Or do you still say NOTHING can exhibit properties of BEING?
> 
> Stop LYING about what I say. I do NOT say that nothing has properties
> because I do not say empty space is nothing. YOU do. Don’t put YOUR foolish
> notions in my mouth.

So John, are you going to stop lying or not?

> 
>> (Why do I ask? Of course the fool does.)
>>
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#680596 — Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-10 06:37 -0700
SubjectRe: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
Message-ID<77e57e23-5ea7-488f-a945-84453b261079@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#680592
Odd
"..to stop lying or not..."
I know that's ur big problem right now.
I say- lose the nym and fess up, PD

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#680597 — Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-10 13:59 +0000
SubjectRe: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
Message-ID<paig0q$ptb$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#680596
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "..to stop lying or not..."
> I know that's ur big problem right now.
> I say- lose the nym and fess up, PD
> 

John, the usage of a nym on the unsecured internet is not only an accepted
practice but an advisable one, according to experts. If you believe that
usage of a nym is lying, then you should probably stay off the internet,
and stick to venues that support your moral code. Kind of like staying out
of bars if you believe consumption of alcohol is morally wrong. 

As for your obsession with a ghost and you association to him of many
people who even faintly remind you of him, I don’t feel the need to help
you with your personal problem. 

Now, perhaps you could acknowledge a couple of recent lies on your part. Or
not. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#680598 — Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-10 07:10 -0700
SubjectRe: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
Message-ID<33f1cc0d-b7b8-410f-8f70-0dc236e53671@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#680597
Odd

BUS!!!

Good. You're still with us.
Busy woodworking, lately? I'm sure you were.

If I mis-stated any of your opinions on Science, I'm sincerely sorry. But you have mis-stated mine, as well, many times, but on purpose, and you're not sorry.

But it's hard to remember your stands- that is because there isn't really a common thread because you don't have a model-- you think Space is NOT empty? You think it's full, but unstructured and random? Is that your Truth?

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#680600 — Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-10 14:17 +0000
SubjectRe: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
Message-ID<paih29$s6g$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#680598
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> 
> BUS!!!
> 
> Good. You're still with us.
> Busy woodworking, lately? I'm sure you were.
> 
> If I mis-stated any of your opinions on Science, I'm sincerely sorry. But
> you have mis-stated mine, as well, many times, but on purpose, and you're not sorry.

For example? 

> 
> But it's hard to remember your stands- that is because there isn't really
> a common thread because you don't have a model-- 

John, I’ll remind you that you acknowledged that this statement is a lie.
In fact you said not too long ago, iirc, “Ok, so you have a model. Big
whoop.” So reverting to this lie so quickly is pretty egregious. 

> you think Space is NOT empty? 

John, can you not read? Empty space is called empty because it is devoid of
persistent matter. I JUST told you that. It is not empty of everything you
can imagine, like properties. What about this is too subtle for your
comprehension? It’s not that complicated. All you have to do is pay
attention. 

> You think it's full, but unstructured and random? Is that your Truth?

I don’t think I said any of those things. I’ll remind you that YOU (only
you) think quantum mechanics says everything is random and that nothing is
predictable, which is UNTRUE, and yet you can’t seem to absorb that. 

> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#680601 — Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-10 07:36 -0700
SubjectRe: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
Message-ID<d71916ac-1ab0-482d-a6bc-3f8daf432001@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#680600
Odd
"
> You think it's full, but unstructured and random? Is that your Truth? 

I don’t think I said any of those things. I’ll remind you that YOU (only "

You don't think?
You SAID it has everything but 'persistent matter'.

I actually agree that Space is what is left after you take THIS gauge Matter away. There is no Matter AS WE KNOW IT in Space. What is left is all the smaller Fractal Matter- which MAY be what is detected as DM. Space is FULL of these smaller manifestations, as it MUST be, and of radiations.

So, you're not totally wrong- a picture may be inferred from a negative- but why not just look at it right side up?
Answer- because bean counters don't care about the big picture- they actually LOSE their jobs when one is discovered.

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#680613 — Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-10 15:57 +0000
SubjectRe: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
Message-ID<paimtr$17qe$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#680601
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "
>> You think it's full, but unstructured and random? Is that your Truth? 
> 
> I don’t think I said any of those things. I’ll remind you that YOU (only "
> 
> You don't think?
> You SAID it has everything but 'persistent matter'.

Not quite. What I said is that it lacks persistent matter. It does have a
bunch of other things. This does not mean it has EVERYTHING but persistent
matter. It means it has some things other than persistent matter. What
about this is hard to understand?

Notice this does not mean it is “full” (full of WHAT?), it does not mean it
is random, it does not mean it is unstructured. 

> 
> I actually agree that Space is what is left after you take THIS gauge Matter away. 

Gauge matter? What is the meaning of this word you invented?

> There is no Matter AS WE KNOW IT in Space. What is left is all the
> smaller Fractal Matter- which MAY be what is detected as DM. Space is
> FULL of these smaller manifestations, as it MUST be, and of radiations.

And how do you argue that it MUST be full of these manifestations?

> 
> So, you're not totally wrong- a picture may be inferred from a negative-
> but why not just look at it right side up?
> Answer- because bean counters don't care about the big picture- they
> actually LOSE their jobs when one is discovered.

Excuse me? Who has lost their job over a big picture?

> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#680628 — Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

Fromporaty149@gmail.com
Date2018-04-10 11:12 -0700
SubjectRe: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
Message-ID<165aa6e0-9fbf-49db-bc8e-87d2f72365fa@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#680600
On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 5:17:52 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Odd
> > 
> > BUS!!!
> > 
> > Good. You're still with us.
> > Busy woodworking, lately? I'm sure you were.
> > 
> > If I mis-stated any of your opinions on Science, I'm sincerely sorry. But
> > you have mis-stated mine, as well, many times, but on purpose, and you're not sorry.
> 
> For example? 
> 
> > 
> > But it's hard to remember your stands- that is because there isn't really
> > a common thread because you don't have a model-- 
> 
> John, I’ll remind you that you acknowledged that this statement is a lie.
> In fact you said not too long ago, iirc, “Ok, so you have a model. Big
> whoop.” So reverting to this lie so quickly is pretty egregious. 
> 
> > you think Space is NOT empty? 
> 
> John, can you not read? Empty space is called empty because it is devoid of
> persistent matter.

=====================
not  only empty of  persistent   matter !!!
we are talking about locations of space 

-IN WHICH **ZERO MATTER EXIST**!!
NOT PERSISTENT AND NOR SCHMERSISTENT 
JUST NOTHING !!
CANT YOU BLOCK HEAD PARROT   UNDESTAND
THAT
======================================
HAD THERE NOT BEEN LOCATIONS OF  ABSOLUTE EMPTY SPACE
-NO MOTION WAHTSOEVER -COULD BE DONE !!
=============================================== 
 
 even blockheads should understand  it !!
so **the very fact that there ***is motion**-

--means that there are locations of absolute emptiness !!!
it is not written in your books ??
too bad for you and your books that you are selling 
-----
difficult for a parrot ???
no  permeability there
no em  waves  nothing 
indeed it is not always continuous 
but still   exist 
2
if so 
like curving 

my further assertion is 
what is in those locations  that enables them to do any action ??!!

like curving force   lines 
that come and pass those location

the question becomes more difficult 
if those force lines are passing paces ]in which there is curved motion in spite of here and there 
having mass 
--make  a   curved motion 
iow
is it space that do/cause  curved motion ??

or is it some basic unknown particles that do it 
 because that is their ''' born/native ''    property
some new  inevitable assertion/suggestion  
 :??
that solves both
 gravitation 
and expansion   of ''universe 
----
I think it is inevitable 
=====
TIA
Y.Porat
=======================
======================================================


> I JUST told you that. It is not empty of everything you
> can imagine, like properties. What about this is too subtle for your
> comprehension? It’s not that complicated. All you have to do is pay
> attention. 
> 
> > You think it's full, but unstructured and random? Is that your Truth?
> 
> I don’t think I said any of those things. I’ll remind you that YOU (only
> you) think quantum mechanics says everything is random and that nothing is
> predictable, which is UNTRUE, and yet you can’t seem to absorb that. 
> 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables


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#680630 — Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-10 18:36 +0000
SubjectRe: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
Message-ID<paj082$1oom$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#680628
<poraty149@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 5:17:52 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Odd
>>> 
>>> BUS!!!
>>> 
>>> Good. You're still with us.
>>> Busy woodworking, lately? I'm sure you were.
>>> 
>>> If I mis-stated any of your opinions on Science, I'm sincerely sorry. But
>>> you have mis-stated mine, as well, many times, but on purpose, and you're not sorry.
>> 
>> For example? 
>> 
>>> 
>>> But it's hard to remember your stands- that is because there isn't really
>>> a common thread because you don't have a model-- 
>> 
>> John, Ill remind you that you acknowledged that this statement is a lie.
>> In fact you said not too long ago, iirc, Ok, so you have a model. Big
>> whoop. So reverting to this lie so quickly is pretty egregious. 
>> 
>>> you think Space is NOT empty? 
>> 
>> John, can you not read? Empty space is called empty because it is devoid of
>> persistent matter.
> 
> ====================not  only empty of  persistent   matter !!!
> we are talking about locations of space 
> 
> -IN WHICH **ZERO MATTER EXIST**!!
> NOT PERSISTENT AND NOR SCHMERSISTENT 
> JUST NOTHING !!

There isn’t anything like that in nature. 
What you are imaging, a region of space completely devoid of anything, is
like a unicorn — just describing it doesn’t mean it is real. 

> CANT YOU BLOCK HEAD PARROT   UNDESTAND
> THAT
> =====================================HAD THERE NOT BEEN LOCATIONS OF  ABSOLUTE EMPTY SPACE
> -NO MOTION WAHTSOEVER -COULD BE DONE !!

That’s simply not true. Not even in water. The water moves out of the way,
you see. That’s how things move through it. 

> =============================================== 
>  
>  even blockheads should understand  it !!
> so **the very fact that there ***is motion**-
> 
> --means that there are locations of absolute emptiness !!!

Not true. The argument holds no water. 

> it is not written in your books ??
> too bad for you and your books that you are selling 
> -----
> difficult for a parrot ???
> no  permeability there
> no em  waves  nothing 
> indeed it is not always continuous 
> but still   exist 
> 2
> if so 
> like curving 
> 
> my further assertion is 
> what is in those locations  that enables them to do any action ??!!
> 
> like curving force   lines 
> that come and pass those location
> 
> the question becomes more difficult 
> if those force lines are passing paces ]in which there is curved motion
> in spite of here and there 
> having mass 
> --make  a   curved motion 
> iow
> is it space that do/cause  curved motion ??
> 
> or is it some basic unknown particles that do it 
>  because that is their ''' born/native ''    property
> some new  inevitable assertion/suggestion  
>  :??
> that solves both
>  gravitation 
> and expansion   of ''universe 
> ----
> I think it is inevitable 
> ====TIA
> Y.Porat
> ===========================================================================
> 
>> I JUST told you that. It is not empty of everything you
>> can imagine, like properties. What about this is too subtle for your
>> comprehension? Its not that complicated. All you have to do is pay
>> attention. 
>> 
>>> You think it's full, but unstructured and random? Is that your Truth?
>> 
>> I dont think I said any of those things. Ill remind you that YOU (only
>> you) think quantum mechanics says everything is random and that nothing is
>> predictable, which is UNTRUE, and yet you cant seem to absorb that. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> 
> 
> 



-- 
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#680634 — Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-10 11:50 -0700
SubjectRe: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
Message-ID<bd337a48-cdb4-4144-b136-a7840411b00d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#680630
Odd


"NOT PERSISTENT AND NOR SCHMERSISTENT 
> JUST NOTHING !! 

There isn’t anything like that in nature. 
What you are imaging, a region of space completely devoid of anything, is 
like a unicorn — just describing it doesn’t mean it is real. 

"
Well, for once Odd and I agree.
And it DOESNT MATTER HOW SMALL of a region you consider- or where- there are NO VOIDS in Space.

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#680637 — Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-10 19:02 +0000
SubjectRe: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
Message-ID<paj1o7$1sib$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#680634
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> 
> 
> "NOT PERSISTENT AND NOR SCHMERSISTENT 
>> JUST NOTHING !! 
> 
> There isn’t anything like that in nature. 
> What you are imaging, a region of space completely devoid of anything, is 
> like a unicorn — just describing it doesn’t mean it is real. 
> 
> "
> Well, for once Odd and I agree.
> And it DOESNT MATTER HOW SMALL of a region you consider- or where- there
> are NO VOIDS in Space.
> 

And again, one must be careful what one means by “voids”.
For physicists, a void usually means a region where there is either no
persistent matter or not enough persistent matter to change Te results
being questioned. Unless this is stated or understood by all in the
conversation, you run the risk of making ridiculous assertions.

For example, suppose you said that a void is a region of space that is
devoid of all physical properties. Well, volume is a physical property and
so you’ve just defined a void as a volume of space that is devoid of
volume. Welcome to oxymoronia. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#680656 — Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-10 13:13 -0700
SubjectRe: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
Message-ID<05153af0-fff5-4598-8e43-5e9946955f05@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#680637
Odd
"And again, one must be careful what one "
No.
I don't.
I put out ideas that relate to my model and try them  in the same way one turns a jigsaw piece this way and that.

You don't really have a model, so you can't do that, and you reject mine, so even if your knowledge could help, you won't.

But that's okay, Odd. 
Have a good ed ed ed

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#680658 — Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-10 20:18 +0000
SubjectRe: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
Message-ID<paj672$48f$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#680656
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "And again, one must be careful what one "
> No.
> I don't.
> I put out ideas that relate to my model and try them  in the same way one
> turns a jigsaw piece this way and that.

Like a void being a volume that has no properties, like volume, and that’s 
how you know there are no voids?

> 
> You don't really have a model, 

Now, John, there’s that lie again, second time in half a day.  No shame? No
integrity?

> so you can't do that, and you reject mine, so even if your knowledge could help, you won't.
> 
> But that's okay, Odd. 
> Have a good ed ed ed
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#680660 — Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-10 13:22 -0700
SubjectRe: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
Message-ID<2449a6ff-5be0-420e-b6fc-da3337d9ea0e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#680658
Odd Big Dog
"> You don't really have a model, 

Now, John, there’s that lie again, second time in half a day.  No shame? No 
integrity? "

Okay- you don't have a model that you can draw or explain in language other than probability math- okay?

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#680669 — Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-10 20:59 +0000
SubjectRe: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
Message-ID<paj8il$89v$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#680660
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd Big Dog
> "> You don't really have a model, 
> 
> Now, John, there’s that lie again, second time in half a day.  No shame? No 
> integrity? "
> 
> Okay- you don't have a model that you can draw or explain in language
> other than probability math- okay?
> 

And that is correct, except for “probability math”. Math is used in physics
as a language in ways much more diverse than probability. Gauge invariance
and symmetry groups, for example, are enormously useful and descriptive and
have nothing — repeat, nothing — to do with probability. 

So when you say “you don’t have a model,” what you SHOULD be saying is “you
don’t have a model in a form I can digest, and it’s your fault that you
expect people to learn math to be able to follow it.”  That way, the nature
of the simpering whine can be fully appreciated. 

I just want to remind you, John, that I am a woodworker, a common
craftsman. You won’t find me whining that physicists owe me short
explanations in a few paragraphs in conventional everyday language and a
couple of pictures to make things clear. Instead, I took the trouble to
read and learn, something that seems to make you dry-heave. You seem intent
on blaming everyone else for your choices. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#680671 — Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-10 14:06 -0700
SubjectRe: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
Message-ID<9f08c6f5-1c68-4fb0-bc6a-c13779f756cb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#680669
Odd
"don’t have a model in a form I can digest, and it’s your fault that you 
expect people to learn math to be able to follow it.”  That way, the nature "

You don't have a model that translates.
Into anything.
You're dreaming

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#680685 — Re: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-10 22:55 +0000
SubjectRe: IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
Message-ID<pajfd0$it7$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#680671
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "don’t have a model in a form I can digest, and it’s your fault that you 
> expect people to learn math to be able to follow it.”  That way, the nature "
> 
> You don't have a model that translates.

Into a form you care about, or can understand. 
Scientists don’t owe that to anyone. 
Those who are interested in physics have the option of learning physics.
This will come with requirements for the learner. This is no different than
someone who is interested in woodworking, or engineering, or music, or
chess. 

Grow up, ya big baby. 
You can learn it. 
I’m doing that. 
What’s your excuse?


> Into anything.
> You're dreaming
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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