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I figured out charge

Started byjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
First post2017-08-08 14:18 -0700
Last post2017-08-14 19:23 -0700
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  I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 14:18 -0700
    I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 14:23 -0700
    Re: I figured out charge zubeneschgenubi@gmail.com - 2017-08-08 14:44 -0700
      Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 15:58 -0700
        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 16:03 -0700
          Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 16:34 -0700
          Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-08 23:34 +0000
        Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 09:54 -0500
          Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 08:05 -0700
    Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-08 23:28 +0000
      Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 16:44 -0700
        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 16:47 -0700
          Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 17:05 -0700
          Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-08 21:51 -0400
            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 06:05 -0700
              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 06:50 -0700
                Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-10 03:53 +0000
          Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-09 02:33 +0000
            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 06:02 -0700
              Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-10 03:47 +0000
                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 20:51 -0700
                  Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-10 18:42 +0000
      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 09:47 -0500
        Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-09 17:44 -0400
          Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 15:23 -0700
            Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-09 20:44 -0400
          Re: I figured out charge Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 16:15 -0700
    Re: I figured out charge Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 08:27 -0700
      Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 10:52 -0700
        Re: I figured out charge zubeneschgenubi@gmail.com - 2017-08-09 16:02 -0700
    Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 13:53 -0700
      Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 14:55 -0700
        Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 16:58 -0500
          Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 15:06 -0700
            Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 17:11 -0500
              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 15:40 -0700
                Re: I figured out charge pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-08-10 16:16 -0700
                  Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-10 20:28 -0400
                    Re: I figured out charge pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-08-10 21:48 -0700
                Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-11 12:59 +0000
        Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 18:36 -0700
          Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 19:36 -0700
            Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 08:06 -0500
              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 06:14 -0700
              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 06:29 -0700
                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 08:40 -0500
                  Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 07:21 -0700
                  Re: I figured out charge Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 07:21 -0700
                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 08:21 -0700
                      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 17:54 +0000
                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 12:15 -0700
                          Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 14:44 -0500
                            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 05:41 -0700
                              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 06:49 -0700
                                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 07:05 -0700
                                  Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 08:28 -0700
                                  Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 10:43 -0500
                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 08:59 -0700
                                      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 14:26 -0500
                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 13:52 -0700
                                          Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 20:59 +0000
                                            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 14:23 -0700
                                              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 15:43 -0700
                                                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 00:12 +0000
                                                  Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 18:34 -0700
                                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 05:11 -0700
                                                      Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 08:04 -0700
                                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 08:21 -0700
                                                          Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-14 02:21 +0000
                                                            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 19:34 -0700
                                                              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 19:46 -0700
                                                                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 03:05 +0000
                                                              Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-14 03:15 +0000
                                                                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 04:49 -0700
                                                                  Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-14 14:05 +0000
                                                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 07:20 -0700
                                                                      Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-14 16:35 +0000
                                                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 09:47 -0700
                                                                          Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-14 19:55 +0000
                                                                            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 16:40 -0700
                                                                              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 18:24 -0700
                                                                                Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-15 13:21 +0000
                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 06:34 -0700
                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 15:00 +0000
                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-15 17:39 +0000
                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-15 18:12 -0400
                                                                                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 15:02 +0000
                                                                                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 15:07 -0500
                                                                                Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 19:45 -0700
                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 22:18 -0700
                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 22:28 -0700
                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 05:49 -0700
                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 06:10 -0700
                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 06:25 -0700
                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 09:51 -0500
                                                                                            Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 16:13 -0500
                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-16 16:09 +0000
                                                                                            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 10:05 -0700
                                                                                              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 10:10 -0700
                                                                                                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 13:38 -0500
                                                                                              Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 12:51 -0500
                                                                                              Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-16 18:26 +0000
                                                                                                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 18:24 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 01:46 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 19:08 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 02:28 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 19:39 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 03:22 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 04:51 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 12:39 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 06:00 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 13:22 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-17 09:01 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 09:06 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-17 09:18 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-17 15:28 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-17 17:39 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 07:51 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 11:02 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 09:32 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 11:57 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 10:02 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 12:05 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 10:10 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 11:30 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-17 17:30 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-17 15:18 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 08:32 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 11:03 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 09:34 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 11:58 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: I figured out charge Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-17 16:00 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-17 17:27 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 09:13 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 09:36 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 12:01 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 10:05 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 10:17 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 12:21 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 10:32 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-17 20:27 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-17 18:18 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 17:14 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-17 19:21 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 05:54 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 07:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 06:25 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 08:33 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 08:49 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 07:25 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 08:15 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 13:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 13:55 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 12:54 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 13:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 21:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 21:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 07:19 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-17 17:50 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 10:13 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 10:20 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 12:26 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-17 20:10 +0000
                                                                                                                At the start of the Big Bang, "black holes" ( Black Stars ) were much larger. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 10:13 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: At the start of the Big Bang, "black holes" ( Black Stars ) were much larger. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 12:23 -0500
                                                                                                                    Better Servers. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-17 10:34 -0700
                                                                                                                      Better Servers. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 11:05 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Better Servers. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 17:11 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: At the start of the Big Bang, "black holes" ( Black Stars ) were much larger. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-17 19:54 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: At the start of the Big Bang, "black holes" ( Black Stars ) were much larger. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-17 19:58 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-17 15:56 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-17 15:41 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 08:57 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 11:16 -0500
                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 09:45 -0500
                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-16 16:05 +0000
                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 11:01 -0700
                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 09:36 -0500
                                                                              Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-15 04:27 +0000
                                                                                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 05:20 -0700
                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-15 13:34 +0000
                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 06:42 -0700
                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 15:02 +0000
                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 09:02 -0700
                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 12:45 -0500
                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 15:21 -0500
                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-15 17:48 +0000
                                                                              Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 12:42 -0500
                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 11:25 -0700
                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 19:31 -0500
                                                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 18:31 -0700
                                                                          Re: I figured out charge Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 19:31 -0500
                                                        Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 18:01 -0500
                                                    Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 18:00 -0500
                                                      Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 16:40 -0700
                                                        Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 23:45 +0000
                                                          Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 16:58 -0700
                                                            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 17:08 -0700
                                                              Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 08:42 -0500
                                                        Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 08:34 -0500
                                                          Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 07:30 -0700
                                                            Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 11:55 -0500
                                                              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 10:21 -0700
                                                                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 12:27 -0500
                                                                  Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 15:16 -0700
                                                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 15:27 -0700
                                                                    Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 09:35 -0500
                                                              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 10:24 -0700
                                                                Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 11:39 -0700
                                                                  Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 12:10 -0700
                                                                    Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 12:47 -0700
                                                                    Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 12:28 -0500
                                                                  Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 12:27 -0500
                                                                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 12:27 -0500
                                                            Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 11:28 -0700
                                                              Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-16 15:23 +0000
                                                Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-13 01:06 +0000
                                              Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 00:12 +0000
                                                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 18:01 -0500
                                              Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-13 01:01 +0000
                              Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 10:42 -0500
                              Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-13 02:27 +0000
                                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 19:55 -0700
                              Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 19:59 -0700
                                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 20:12 -0700
                                  Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 20:22 -0700
                            Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-13 01:11 +0000
              Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-11 18:18 -0400
                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 16:48 -0700
    Re: I figured out charge "Efftard K .Donglemeier" <sender@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-14 19:23 -0700

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#645953

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-14 18:24 -0700
Message-ID<9f11ae78-3c73-4948-9f67-e5fda3998aca@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#645944
MM and ed and Odd

You think there's no underlying structure required for Matter. You think there can be waves in Nothing. You think Gravity is a radiation from Matter that travels in the opposite direction that it acts, but nobody has seen it. You think that electrons are 'fundamental', while at the same time believing that the third electron that each Carbon in Benzene shares somehow spreads itself out wherever necessary. You think there are 'virtual particles' popping in and out of Nothing.

And that, for you, is rational, somehow? Who talked you into these bizarre beliefs? WHY would you believe these obviously insane things? Serious question.

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#645993

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-08-15 13:21 +0000
Message-ID<omushk$d6a$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#645953
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM and ed and Odd

>You think there's no underlying structure required for Matter.

Well, there's no need for it, and if predicted fundamental particles 
really are fundamental, there simply can't be any structure.

>You think there can be waves in Nothing.

Remember, things like photons and electrons are both wavelike and 
particlelike.  A bullet doesn't need an aether to propagate, does it?
Does an electron need an aether to propagate? Why should a photon need
one?

> You think Gravity is a radiation from Matter

No, John, gravity is curvature in spacetime.

>that travels in the opposite direction that it acts, but nobody has seen it.

Kook babble.

> You think that electrons are 'fundamental', while at the same time 
>believing that the third electron that each Carbon in Benzene shares 
>somehow spreads itself out wherever necessary.


What is the conflict? Besides, all orbital electrons are distributed over 
space.

>And that, for you, is rational, somehow? Who talked you into these bizarre
>beliefs?


Bizarre beliefs like precessing spinning galaxies that violate half the 
laws of nature?

> WHY would you believe these obviously insane things? 
> Serious question.

What's so "obviously insane" about any of that?  If it's so "obvious",
you should be able to explain it easily.

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#645995

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-15 06:34 -0700
Message-ID<5b6e9a6e-28a8-448c-b6c7-4d762377f622@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#645993
Odd
"> You think Gravity is a radiation from Matter 

No, John, gravity is curvature in spacetime. 
"

ULTRAFUDGE

HOW!!!!!! does the matter "curve" this "space" that you just said has no substance?
How does "curved" NOTHING do ANYTHING????

YOU are the kook here.
Or zombie, rather.
Your collection of "beliefs" will have everyone rolling on the floor.
They'll laugh and laugh.

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#646001

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-15 15:00 +0000
Message-ID<omv29q$enm$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#645995
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "> You think Gravity is a radiation from Matter 
> 
> No, John, gravity is curvature in spacetime. 
> "
> 
> ULTRAFUDGE
> 
> HOW!!!!!! does the matter "curve" this "space" that you just said has no substance?
> How does "curved" NOTHING do ANYTHING????

Space time isn't Nothing. That is a claim you have made up and you sprinkle
that nonsense in with other claims to make them sound silly. The only thing
that's silly is your claim that spacetime is Nothing. Stop it. 

> 
> YOU are the kook here.
> Or zombie, rather.
> Your collection of "beliefs" will have everyone rolling on the floor.
> They'll laugh and laugh.
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#646022

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-08-15 17:39 +0000
Message-ID<omvbl4$6rb$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#645995
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"> You think Gravity is a radiation from Matter 

>No, John, gravity is curvature in spacetime. 
>"

>ULTRAFUDGE

No, John, it is what is predicted by GR.

>HOW!!!!!! does the matter "curve" this "space" that you just said has no substance?
>How does "curved" NOTHING do ANYTHING????

Curved spacetime, John, not curved nothing.

Physics doesn't get too involved with "How" and "Why" since this is
an infinite chain. Like answering a question from a 3 year old, the
child will respond "Why?".  Answer that and you get "Why?", forever.

Regardless, just think of this: Mass tells spacetime how to curve.
Curved spacetime tells mass how to move.

If you want, you can think of gravitation as a field mediated by virtual
gravitons, very much like electromagnetic attraction/repulsion. It works
although it is not currently considered correct, with GR being the actual
correct interpretation.  Unlike electromagnetism, gravitation is attract
only.

>YOU are the kook here.
>Or zombie, rather.

Say what? Scientists all over the world are modeling the universe using
GR/curved spacetime.

>Your collection of "beliefs" will have everyone rolling on the floor.
>They'll laugh and laugh.

No, the laughter you hear isn't people laughing with you. It is people
laughing _at_ you.

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#646071

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-08-15 18:12 -0400
Message-ID<599371c6$0$10580$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#646022
On 8/15/2017 1:39 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> Odd
>> "> You think Gravity is a radiation from Matter
> 
>> No, John, gravity is curvature in spacetime.
>> "
> 
>> ULTRAFUDGE
> 
> No, John, it is what is predicted by GR.
> 
>> HOW!!!!!! does the matter "curve" this "space" that you just said has no substance?
>> How does "curved" NOTHING do ANYTHING????
> 
> Curved spacetime, John, not curved nothing.

Curved nonsense.Math is not reality.

> Physics doesn't get too involved with "How" and "Why" since this is
> an infinite chain. Like answering a question from a 3 year old, the
> child will respond "Why?".  Answer that and you get "Why?", forever.

Sure it ends. It ends with "because I said so" just like most of the 
posts here do.

> Regardless, just think of this: Mass tells spacetime how to curve.
> Curved spacetime tells mass how to move.

Total garbage. What you have is a model that produces results that mimic 
what is measured with gravity (more or less). But somehow you've turned 
that around and made the math fantasy your real world and the real world 
fantasy. A mathematical model is NOT the universe. Period.

> If you want, you can think of gravitation as a field mediated by virtual
> gravitons, very much like electromagnetic attraction/repulsion. It works
> although it is not currently considered correct, with GR being the actual
> correct interpretation.  Unlike electromagnetism, gravitation is attract
> only.

Gravitons are as imaginary as space-time. Nobody from Newton on has 
produced ANY credible actual mechanism for gravity (with the possible 
exception of the Wheeler-Feynman theory). Yet you all pretend that these 
bogus theories "explain" gravity. The do NO SUCH THING> They "describe" 
gravity!


>> YOU are the kook here.
>> Or zombie, rather.
> 
> Say what? Scientists all over the world are modeling the universe using
> GR/curved spacetime.

Yeah, and a lot of them believe in it too, just like you do. But bad 
news: Science is not determined by a democratic vote of scientists.

>> Your collection of "beliefs" will have everyone rolling on the floor.
>> They'll laugh and laugh.
> 
> No, the laughter you hear isn't people laughing with you. It is people
> laughing _at_ you.

Whistling past the graveyard.

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#646003

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-15 15:02 +0000
Message-ID<omv2e7$etl$4@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#645953
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM and ed and Odd
> 
> You think there's no underlying structure required for Matter. 

Right. Why do you think otherwise. Give a sound reason. 

> You think there can be waves in Nothing. 

No, waves in space time, not Nothing. Next....

> You think Gravity is a radiation from Matter that travels in the opposite
> direction that it acts, but nobody has seen it. 

No, that's YOU that somehow has the impression that gravitational radiation
is like little BBs radiated outward. No idea where you got that idea. 

> You think that electrons are 'fundamental', while at the same time
> believing that the third electron that each Carbon in Benzene shares
> somehow spreads itself out wherever necessary.

Yes, being fundamental and having a spatial distribution are not
inconsistent.  Why do think it is? Give a sound reason. 

> You think there are 'virtual particles' popping in and out of Nothing.

Yes.  Why do you think this is impossible?  Give a sound reason 

> 
> And that, for you, is rational, somehow? Who talked you into these
> bizarre beliefs? WHY would you believe these obviously insane things? Serious question.
> 

1. The idea of a structureless particle is not bizarre. It's been around
for 2500 years. Are all those people just nuts?
2. Waves don't require a medium, never have. What causes waves has been
explained to you: laws of physics. 
3. Opposite charges obviously attract each other, observationally, and this
is caused by exchange of electromagnetic radiation.  You think this is
impossible somehow, and yet it obviously happens.  You've never explained
how it can happen, nor have you argued in any way that it does not happen. 
4. Having structure doesn't have anything to do with having a spatial
distribution. Why do you think there is a connection? Give a sound reason. 
5. Heisenberg uncertainty principle. Works in hundreds of applications. 

None of these are insane. You think Democritus and Maxwell and Heisenberg
are insane??


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#646041

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-15 15:07 -0500
Message-ID<omvk9j$1c1e$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#645953
On 8/14/17 8:24 PM, john wrote:
> MM and ed and Odd
> 
> You think there's no underlying structure required for Matter. You think there can be waves in Nothing. You think Gravity is a radiation from Matter that travels in the opposite direction that it acts, but nobody has seen it. You think that electrons are 'fundamental', while at the same time believing that the third electron that each Carbon in Benzene shares somehow spreads itself out wherever necessary. You think there are 'virtual particles' popping in and out of Nothing.
> 
> And that, for you, is rational, somehow? Who talked you into these bizarre beliefs? WHY would you believe these obviously insane things? Serious question.
> 

Following up a little more, John, and focusing on a couple things you 
said above:

"You think there can be waves in Nothing."
"You think Gravity is a radiation from Matter that travels in the 
opposite direction that it acts."

No physicist says either of these things. Yes, they are crazy, but 
mostly because you've made them up. It's YOUR INTERPRETATION or, more 
specifically, YOUR DISTORTION of something you may have heard in a 
YouTube video or a magazine article.

So be careful to distinguish what it is that physicists ACTUALLY say, 
and what it is you THINK you heard them say. Because usually the latter 
has nothing to do with the former, and the craziness of the statements 
is because you got the statement wrong.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#646127

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-15 19:45 -0700
Message-ID<f950e49d-e040-4314-bfdf-6cd17f77247b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#645953
On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 9:24:27 PM UTC-4, john wrote:
> MM and ed and Odd
> 
> You think there's no underlying structure required for Matter.

First You do not get to tell me how I think. Mostly because
you simply are using that phrase to set up a straw man argument.

For macro scale matter there is certainly underlying structure.
And there are various underlying structures several layers down.


My desk is make of various sized pieces of wood.
I can see the shapes and the seams between each piece.

Each piece of wood contains grains of wood.
I can see them by the variation in the color in the wood.

Those grains of wood contain what were once walls for
living cells. This can be seen in a microscope.

Those grains are composed of molecules of cellulose and
other molecules. Those molecules can be observed by
powerful electron microscopes.

The molecules are composed of atoms. This can be observed
by the consequences of how they react, for example when
they are involved in chemical reactions, such as burning.

The atoms are composed of protons, neutrons, electrons.
These are observed by chemical reactions, by electrical and
magnetic actions, or within particle detectors such as
a cloud chamber or CRT screen.

Those Protons and Neutrons within an atom are found to
react in ways that reveal other particles such a neutrinos.
This is observed in radioactivity and in the detector
chambers of particle accelerators. These even reveal
the existence of equivalent particles called antimatter.
(This is observed indirectly by the mass energy balance
of all reactions, including subatomic ones.)


Neutrons and protons appear to be composed of smaller constituents,
while electrons do not seem to break down further.
This is again observed indirectly  by the mass energy balance
of reactions produced in even stronger particle accelerators.
From these reactions we conclude that Protons and Neutrons
must be composed of elements which we now call quarks.
Sadly no matter how hard we try, we haven't cracked
an electron into other parts.

So now we have reached our limit. Is it possible there are
yet more fundamental particles? Maybe, but we have no
observations of any reactions that reveal they exist.
This is the key role of particle physics, to try and
find the next fundamental level. As long as there is no
evidence for it existing, we HAVE to conclude it does
not exist. If new data was found tomorrow suggesting
the electron, for example, was made of smaller parts,
Physicists would be happy.

I hope this very simplified description of the lower
layers of material structures shows that at each layer
it is DATA (measurements) that lead to the description
needed for the next layer. And to repeat: so far no data
points to electrons having internal structure.

Why does it stop there? we currently think we know,
it fits the Standard model of sub atomic particles.
By remember, a theory/model can be proven wrong by
new data.

Find that Data, John, and I will not only agree with you,
I will proclaim your success to others. But until that day
I have to say, your view of "galactic electrons" within a
model of a fractal universe is nothing but a pipe dream.

I'll leave gravity for another time.

> You think there can be waves in Nothing. You think Gravity
> is a radiation from Matter that travels in the opposite
> direction that it acts, but nobody has seen it. You think
> that electrons are 'fundamental', while at the same time
> believing that the third electron that each Carbon in
> Benzene shares somehow spreads itself out wherever necessary.

Because the measurements (i.e., the data) about electron clouds
in molecules match the calculations that predict the electrons'
behavior.

> You think there are 'virtual particles' popping in and out of Nothing.

What part of 'virtual particles' do you not understand?
> 
> And that, for you, is rational, somehow?
> Who talked you into these bizarre beliefs?
> WHY would you believe these obviously insane things?
> Serious question.

And it deserves a serious answer. I studied Physics
in college. No professor ever badgered me into
believing anything in physics. They all simplied
showed me how to do the calculations. How to do
the measurements. Then asked me to do the calculations
and measurements for myself. I measured the data.
I plotted the graphs. I compared what the calculations
predicted with those measurements. You could say
I learned physics by doing it.

If the results "seem" insane, it seems to be because
reality set it up that way. I studied physics to try
to understand how the world and universe REALLY works,
not to get it to match my preconceived ideas. The universe
really is more wonderful and fantastic than our feable
imaginations can achieve. I am happy learning about
reality, John. Are you truly happy spouting your
unsupported views of the universe?

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#646136

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-15 22:18 -0700
Message-ID<9a215975-c2d8-4570-b5a0-36aefe0d9232@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646127
ed
"find the next fundamental level. As long as there is no 
evidence for it existing, we HAVE to conclude it does "

I rest my case

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#646137

FromArindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-15 22:28 -0700
Message-ID<5375e5a5-609f-4562-8e65-a45d7f2e3c65@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646136
On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 3:18:09 PM UTC+10, john wrote:
> ed
> "find the next fundamental level. As long as there is no 
> evidence for it existing, we HAVE to conclude it does "
> 
> I rest my case

You win it, as do various unicorns that we HAVE to conclude do exist.
Being even-handed here, and with 
cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

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#646153

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-16 05:49 -0700
Message-ID<8132ae91-028a-4cdf-9dbe-c3a71c90662a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646136
On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 1:18:09 AM UTC-4, john wrote:
> ed
> "find the next fundamental level. As long as there is no 
> evidence for it existing, we HAVE to conclude it does "
not exist. {putting back the rest of my sentence (ed)}
> 
> I rest my case

Good. So you are finally done spouting nonsense?
that's good to know.
ed

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#646155

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-16 06:10 -0700
Message-ID<00272b55-7066-4695-a60b-2d0c4d1100cd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646153
ed
"
> 
> I rest my case 

Good. "

ed, the problem with the Standard "Model" is that it is just bean-counting.
You only add parts by observation.
You don't do logic.
You have no vision.
It's not a model- its bean-counting.

The POINT of Physics is to find useful tools that will allow us to EXTRAPOLATE. It's not possible to see past a certain distance oy smaller than a certain size.
What then, with your bean-counting?
No more work for you bean-counters that REFUSE to use logic and insight.

You call that Science?
Really?

I HAVE a model.
It equates galaxies with atoms.
It PREDICTS things, and EXPLAINS observations 
like the spherical halo, and where the 3rd Benzene electrons go, and how galactic discs are precessing to skew the galactic rotation curves.

YOU spew nonsense- AND ITS NOT EVEN YOUR OWN!!! Laughable, how you can believe all that no-structure, no-pathway, no volume, no detail shit.

But every time you say that planets "curve" spacetime, a zillion aliens ROTFL

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#646156

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-16 06:25 -0700
Message-ID<3c0d6f89-67b0-4bce-81f1-78374ed71fc3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646155
Odd
from
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/phys.org/news/2017-01-stars-halo-milky-groups.amp
The team of astronomers were bewildered of the beaviour of halo stars that spend most of the time in the outskirts of the Milky Way. Surprisingly more than 70% of those stars appear to be moving in the opposite sense than the vast majority of stars in the Milky Way. Such a high fraction is unexpected in current models. Helmi: "One may compare stars from the outer halo with commuters that drive the wrong way. We do not yet quite understand why."

THEY may not understand why.
But  AYE have a model.
Every time the disk PRECESSES around, the rotation is OPPOSITE 
 http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/NeonAnimation.GIF

THEY don't understand because they don't have a model.

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#646166

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-16 09:51 -0500
Message-ID<on1m5t$84u$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#646156
On 8/16/17 8:25 AM, john wrote:
> Odd
> from
> https://www.google.ca/amp/s/phys.org/news/2017-01-stars-halo-milky-groups.amp
> The team of astronomers were bewildered of the beaviour of halo stars that spend most of the time in the outskirts of the Milky Way. Surprisingly more than 70% of those stars appear to be moving in the opposite sense than the vast majority of stars in the Milky Way. Such a high fraction is unexpected in current models. Helmi: "One may compare stars from the outer halo with commuters that drive the wrong way. We do not yet quite understand why."
> 
> THEY may not understand why.
> But  AYE have a model.
> Every time the disk PRECESSES around, the rotation is OPPOSITE
>   http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/NeonAnimation.GIF
> 
> THEY don't understand because they don't have a model.
> 

Why didn't you quote the rest of the article that DOES talk about their 
model about why this happens?

"The Milky Way, our own Galaxy, has likely formed in part from the 
merging of many smaller systems.... To learn more about the history of 
formation of the Milky Way, astronomers ... have inspected the motions 
of stars in the so-called Galactic halo. Stars in the halo are more 
pristine and spend most of their time outside of the disk-like structure 
that gives the Milky Way its name. It is thought that these halo stars 
are the stars that joined the Milky Way onboard of small galaxies.
... Helmi: "This indicates that the stars indeed originate from small 
galaxies that were cannibalised by the Milky Way a very long time ago". 
The astronomers describe these groups as large flows of stars like 
flocks of birds traveling together through the Milky Way. "We believe 
there might be tens or even hundreds such flocks. At the moment, we only 
see small groups with just a few stars, but that is probably because we 
do not yet have all the necessary data".

This model features a Milky Way that formed in stages rather than all at 
once, incorporating smaller clusters that now retain some of their 
original motions. This model accounts for the different ages of stars in 
the layered structure of the halo, as well as accounts for the "flocks" 
of stars that have differential motion compared to the rest of the galaxy.

Why is it that you just don't SEE this stuff when you read it? Do you 
just look for the sentences that include "don't understand" or "bewildered"?

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#646208

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-16 16:13 -0500
Message-ID<on2ch6$1cjr$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#646166
On 8/16/17 9:51 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 8/16/17 8:25 AM, john wrote:
>> Odd
>> from
>> https://www.google.ca/amp/s/phys.org/news/2017-01-stars-halo-milky-groups.amp 
>>
>> The team of astronomers were bewildered of the beaviour of halo stars 
>> that spend most of the time in the outskirts of the Milky Way. 
>> Surprisingly more than 70% of those stars appear to be moving in the 
>> opposite sense than the vast majority of stars in the Milky Way. Such 
>> a high fraction is unexpected in current models. Helmi: "One may 
>> compare stars from the outer halo with commuters that drive the wrong 
>> way. We do not yet quite understand why."
>>
>> THEY may not understand why.
>> But  AYE have a model.
>> Every time the disk PRECESSES around, the rotation is OPPOSITE
>>   http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/NeonAnimation.GIF
>>
>> THEY don't understand because they don't have a model.
>>
> 
> Why didn't you quote the rest of the article that DOES talk about their 
> model about why this happens?
> 
> "The Milky Way, our own Galaxy, has likely formed in part from the 
> merging of many smaller systems.... To learn more about the history of 
> formation of the Milky Way, astronomers ... have inspected the motions 
> of stars in the so-called Galactic halo. Stars in the halo are more 
> pristine and spend most of their time outside of the disk-like structure 
> that gives the Milky Way its name. It is thought that these halo stars 
> are the stars that joined the Milky Way onboard of small galaxies.
> ... Helmi: "This indicates that the stars indeed originate from small 
> galaxies that were cannibalised by the Milky Way a very long time ago". 
> The astronomers describe these groups as large flows of stars like 
> flocks of birds traveling together through the Milky Way. "We believe 
> there might be tens or even hundreds such flocks. At the moment, we only 
> see small groups with just a few stars, but that is probably because we 
> do not yet have all the necessary data".
> 
> This model features a Milky Way that formed in stages rather than all at 
> once, incorporating smaller clusters that now retain some of their 
> original motions. This model accounts for the different ages of stars in 
> the layered structure of the halo, as well as accounts for the "flocks" 
> of stars that have differential motion compared to the rest of the galaxy.
> 
> Why is it that you just don't SEE this stuff when you read it? Do you 
> just look for the sentences that include "don't understand" or 
> "bewildered"?
> 

John, just a follow-up to this.

I know you would dearly love to have an idea that might be interesting 
in an area where physicists have just tossed up their hands and are 
saying, "We have no idea." It's like an amateur astronomer discovering a 
new comet or a new galaxy.

The chief challenge you face is that a lot of things that you think are 
completely unexplained are just not that way, and in just about every 
case you've raised up, there is already a pretty good sense of what's 
going on.

This isn't to say that there aren't open questions in physics. But you 
don't know what they are. And because you have read so little, and what 
you do read you read thinly, you're not making much headway in figuring 
out where they are. It's like an amateur astronomer looking up in the 
sky and seeing a comet that HE hasn't seen before and claiming, "Aha! A 
new comet, never before seen!" when in fact it is already logged in 
observational catalogs.

Your unfortunate reaction so far has been to say, "Well, physicists 
CLAIM it's not new ground, but their explanation makes no sense to me, 
and so as far as I'm concerned it's not explained and so is new ground." 
That's an emotional response, not a rational one.

What you COULD do is decide to find out what PHYSICISTS acknowledge are 
the open questions, so that you can start thinking about the answers to 
those. But to do that, you'd have to learn some physics, which involves 
studying and reading. The thing you have to remember that when an 
amateur discovers a new comet or a new galaxy, that amateur has studied 
the professional data deeply enough to know whether it is new or not.

Or you can take the approach of Henry Wilson who says that no data 
accumulated by physicists in the last 100 years is reliable, it's all 
too close to the edge to be convincing, and that experimentalists have 
only observed what they wanted to observe. This denial of evidence is 
not something I hope you do.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#646173

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-08-16 16:09 +0000
Message-ID<on1qol$gs2$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#646156
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>from
>https://www.google.ca/amp/s/phys.org/news/2017-01-stars-halo-milky-groups.amp

>THEY may not understand why.
>But  AYE have a model.
>Every time the disk PRECESSES around, the rotation is OPPOSITE

>THEY don't understand because they don't have a model.

WTF, John? You snipped the part where they go into quite a bit of detail about
their Milky Way model!

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#646176

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-16 10:05 -0700
Message-ID<168f3bb1-a94a-4edc-980b-5e834d7e1f89@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646173
Michael
">THEY don't understand because they don't have a model. 

WTF, John? You snipped the part where they go into quite a bit of detail about 
their Milky Way model! "

So?
Can't you just read?
You ALWAYS snip- wtf WTF??
Go back and read it.

If you want to believe their mishmash, believe it.
Doesn't make it true.

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#646177

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-16 10:10 -0700
Message-ID<32d99d47-89cc-4e15-92a5-e4a619bd811d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646176
Odd
By the way.
Just Google for shit instead of demanding me to do so, okay?
Thx

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#646189

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-16 13:38 -0500
Message-ID<on23ek$uck$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#646177
On 8/16/17 12:10 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> By the way.
> Just Google for shit instead of demanding me to do so, okay?
> Thx
> 

John, if you make reference to a particular recent result, you really 
should make note of at least the name of the physicist reporting the 
result. Sometimes you describe things so vaguely or inaccurately that 
it's impossible to get a fix on it. This is common practice in science, 
and you should pick up some of the basic here.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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