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I figured out charge

Started byjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
First post2017-08-08 14:18 -0700
Last post2017-08-14 19:23 -0700
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  I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 14:18 -0700
    I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 14:23 -0700
    Re: I figured out charge zubeneschgenubi@gmail.com - 2017-08-08 14:44 -0700
      Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 15:58 -0700
        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 16:03 -0700
          Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 16:34 -0700
          Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-08 23:34 +0000
        Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 09:54 -0500
          Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 08:05 -0700
    Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-08 23:28 +0000
      Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 16:44 -0700
        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 16:47 -0700
          Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 17:05 -0700
          Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-08 21:51 -0400
            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 06:05 -0700
              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 06:50 -0700
                Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-10 03:53 +0000
          Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-09 02:33 +0000
            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 06:02 -0700
              Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-10 03:47 +0000
                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 20:51 -0700
                  Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-10 18:42 +0000
      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 09:47 -0500
        Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-09 17:44 -0400
          Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 15:23 -0700
            Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-09 20:44 -0400
          Re: I figured out charge Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 16:15 -0700
    Re: I figured out charge Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 08:27 -0700
      Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 10:52 -0700
        Re: I figured out charge zubeneschgenubi@gmail.com - 2017-08-09 16:02 -0700
    Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 13:53 -0700
      Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 14:55 -0700
        Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 16:58 -0500
          Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 15:06 -0700
            Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 17:11 -0500
              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 15:40 -0700
                Re: I figured out charge pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-08-10 16:16 -0700
                  Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-10 20:28 -0400
                    Re: I figured out charge pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-08-10 21:48 -0700
                Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-11 12:59 +0000
        Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 18:36 -0700
          Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 19:36 -0700
            Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 08:06 -0500
              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 06:14 -0700
              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 06:29 -0700
                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 08:40 -0500
                  Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 07:21 -0700
                  Re: I figured out charge Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 07:21 -0700
                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 08:21 -0700
                      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 17:54 +0000
                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 12:15 -0700
                          Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 14:44 -0500
                            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 05:41 -0700
                              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 06:49 -0700
                                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 07:05 -0700
                                  Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 08:28 -0700
                                  Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 10:43 -0500
                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 08:59 -0700
                                      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 14:26 -0500
                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 13:52 -0700
                                          Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 20:59 +0000
                                            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 14:23 -0700
                                              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 15:43 -0700
                                                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 00:12 +0000
                                                  Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 18:34 -0700
                                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 05:11 -0700
                                                      Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 08:04 -0700
                                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 08:21 -0700
                                                          Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-14 02:21 +0000
                                                            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 19:34 -0700
                                                              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 19:46 -0700
                                                                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 03:05 +0000
                                                              Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-14 03:15 +0000
                                                                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 04:49 -0700
                                                                  Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-14 14:05 +0000
                                                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 07:20 -0700
                                                                      Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-14 16:35 +0000
                                                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 09:47 -0700
                                                                          Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-14 19:55 +0000
                                                                            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 16:40 -0700
                                                                              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 18:24 -0700
                                                                                Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-15 13:21 +0000
                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 06:34 -0700
                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 15:00 +0000
                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-15 17:39 +0000
                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-15 18:12 -0400
                                                                                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 15:02 +0000
                                                                                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 15:07 -0500
                                                                                Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 19:45 -0700
                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 22:18 -0700
                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 22:28 -0700
                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 05:49 -0700
                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 06:10 -0700
                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 06:25 -0700
                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 09:51 -0500
                                                                                            Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 16:13 -0500
                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-16 16:09 +0000
                                                                                            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 10:05 -0700
                                                                                              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 10:10 -0700
                                                                                                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 13:38 -0500
                                                                                              Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 12:51 -0500
                                                                                              Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-16 18:26 +0000
                                                                                                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 18:24 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 01:46 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 19:08 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 02:28 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 19:39 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 03:22 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 04:51 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 12:39 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 06:00 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 13:22 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-17 09:01 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 09:06 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-17 09:18 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-17 15:28 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-17 17:39 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 07:51 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 11:02 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 09:32 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 11:57 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 10:02 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 12:05 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 10:10 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 11:30 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-17 17:30 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-17 15:18 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 08:32 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 11:03 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 09:34 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 11:58 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: I figured out charge Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-17 16:00 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-17 17:27 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 09:13 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 09:36 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 12:01 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 10:05 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 10:17 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 12:21 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 10:32 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-17 20:27 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-17 18:18 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 17:14 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-17 19:21 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 05:54 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 07:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 06:25 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 08:33 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 08:49 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 07:25 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 08:15 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 13:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 13:55 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 12:54 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 13:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 21:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 21:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 07:19 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-17 17:50 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 10:13 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 10:20 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 12:26 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-17 20:10 +0000
                                                                                                                At the start of the Big Bang, "black holes" ( Black Stars ) were much larger. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 10:13 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: At the start of the Big Bang, "black holes" ( Black Stars ) were much larger. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 12:23 -0500
                                                                                                                    Better Servers. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-08-17 10:34 -0700
                                                                                                                      Better Servers. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 11:05 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Better Servers. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 17:11 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: At the start of the Big Bang, "black holes" ( Black Stars ) were much larger. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-17 19:54 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: At the start of the Big Bang, "black holes" ( Black Stars ) were much larger. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-17 19:58 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-17 15:56 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-17 15:41 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 08:57 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-17 11:16 -0500
                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 09:45 -0500
                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-16 16:05 +0000
                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 11:01 -0700
                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 09:36 -0500
                                                                              Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-15 04:27 +0000
                                                                                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 05:20 -0700
                                                                                  Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-15 13:34 +0000
                                                                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 06:42 -0700
                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 15:02 +0000
                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 09:02 -0700
                                                                                          Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 12:45 -0500
                                                                                        Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 15:21 -0500
                                                                                      Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-15 17:48 +0000
                                                                              Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 12:42 -0500
                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 11:25 -0700
                                                                      Re: I figured out charge Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 19:31 -0500
                                                                        Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 18:31 -0700
                                                                          Re: I figured out charge Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 19:31 -0500
                                                        Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 18:01 -0500
                                                    Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 18:00 -0500
                                                      Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 16:40 -0700
                                                        Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 23:45 +0000
                                                          Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 16:58 -0700
                                                            Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 17:08 -0700
                                                              Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 08:42 -0500
                                                        Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 08:34 -0500
                                                          Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 07:30 -0700
                                                            Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 11:55 -0500
                                                              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 10:21 -0700
                                                                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 12:27 -0500
                                                                  Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 15:16 -0700
                                                                    Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 15:27 -0700
                                                                    Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 09:35 -0500
                                                              Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 10:24 -0700
                                                                Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 11:39 -0700
                                                                  Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 12:10 -0700
                                                                    Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 12:47 -0700
                                                                    Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 12:28 -0500
                                                                  Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 12:27 -0500
                                                                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 12:27 -0500
                                                            Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 11:28 -0700
                                                              Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-16 15:23 +0000
                                                Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-13 01:06 +0000
                                              Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 00:12 +0000
                                                Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 18:01 -0500
                                              Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-13 01:01 +0000
                              Re: I figured out charge Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 10:42 -0500
                              Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-13 02:27 +0000
                                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-12 19:55 -0700
                              Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 19:59 -0700
                                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 20:12 -0700
                                  Re: I figured out charge Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-13 20:22 -0700
                            Re: I figured out charge moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-13 01:11 +0000
              Re: I figured out charge benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-11 18:18 -0400
                Re: I figured out charge john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 16:48 -0700
    Re: I figured out charge "Efftard K .Donglemeier" <sender@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-14 19:23 -0700

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#645994

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-08-15 13:34 +0000
Message-ID<omut8l$d6a$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#645992
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM

>All your "evidence" is extremely blurry and far-away  in both space and Time.

This means what?

>You use those chimeras to 'prove' illogical ideas like things without 
>structure or shape or volume.

What is so 'illogical' about that?

>Without fail, closeup images of even Jupiter have changed the story completely.

'Without fail'? Could you supply even one example?

>A short time ago, you were arguing that star-arms couldn't be staying 
>together as they orbit galaxies. Rainer Beck has shown that they have a 
>helical magnetic field-

Yes we know about those magnetic fields which are too weak to affect the
stars much.  You were saying that you had some evidence that the stars are
somehow confined to the arms? Let's hear that!

>You believe in illogical things. You were indoctrinated into them. You 
>are a zombie.

Hey, I'm not the one who is controlled by this retarded precessing spinny
thing obsession of yours...

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#645997

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-15 06:42 -0700
Message-ID<a6618746-2d0f-416e-ae64-adc75b0b9119@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#645994
Odd
"
>A short time ago, you were arguing that star-arms couldn't be staying 
>together as they orbit galaxies. Rainer Beck has shown that they have a 
>helical magnetic field- 

Yes we know about those magnetic fields which are too weak to affect the 
stars much.  You were saying that you had some evidence that the stars are 
somehow confined to the arms? Let's hear that! 
"
You said the arms don't stay as a unit.
NOW "we" know about the fields.
(Thanks to Rainer Beck)
Tell me- is the field an optical illusion?
Does it travel around the galaxy as a unit?
You say it doesn't "affect much". What do you base THAT statement on? Wishful, wishful thinking?
Don't you want to know more about the fields?
I think not- because they show you to be wrong when you say the arms aren't entities. Like electrons.

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#646004

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-15 15:02 +0000
Message-ID<omv2e7$etl$5@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#645997
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "
>> A short time ago, you were arguing that star-arms couldn't be staying 
>> together as they orbit galaxies. Rainer Beck has shown that they have a 
>> helical magnetic field- 
> 
> Yes we know about those magnetic fields which are too weak to affect the 
> stars much.  You were saying that you had some evidence that the stars are 
> somehow confined to the arms? Let's hear that! 
> "
> You said the arms don't stay as a unit.
> NOW "we" know about the fields.
> (Thanks to Rainer Beck)
> Tell me- is the field an optical illusion?
> Does it travel around the galaxy as a unit?
> You say it doesn't "affect much". What do you base THAT statement on?
> Wishful, wishful thinking?
> Don't you want to know more about the fields?
> I think not- because they show you to be wrong when you say the arms
> aren't entities. Like electrons.
> 

John, a field does not mean the arms are segregated and does not mean that
stars don't migrate from one arm to the next. Pay attention. Water waves on
the ocean sometimes feature whitecaps, just like galactic arms sometimes
feature fields. One wave is distinct from the next wave, just like one arm
is distinct from the next wave.  But there is no void of water between the
waves, just like there is no void of stars and matter between galactic
arms. And a chunk of water in one wave will then migrate to the next wave,
just like stars migrate from one arm to the next in a galaxy. 

Now stop there a second and breathe. What is the implication of matter
between galactic arms, and stars migrating from one arm to the next? 

Would you even DREAM of claiming that ocean waves are alternating matter
and antimatter? Would you claim this idea is supported by ocean waves being
distinct entities with whitecaps? Hmmm?

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#646009

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-15 09:02 -0700
Message-ID<fe2f2fa8-5ae3-4b79-b525-2ab183c42d6f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646004
Odd
"
the ocean sometimes feature whitecaps, just like galactic arms sometimes 
feature fields. "

Man, you can BS!
First time we spot these fields, and you KNOW all arms don't have them.
You should ride your bike backwards, how fast you can backpedal.
Believe in magical, sructureless, spread out but fundamental mish mash if you want, Odd.
Won't make it true and it's still going away like sand being sucked from under your feet with the outgoing tide

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#646026

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-15 12:45 -0500
Message-ID<omvc0h$tbt$4@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#646009
On 8/15/17 11:02 AM, john wrote:
> Odd
> "
> the ocean sometimes feature whitecaps, just like galactic arms sometimes
> feature fields. "
> 
> Man, you can BS!
> First time we spot these fields, and you KNOW all arms don't have them.

Even if they all did, and even if all waves had whitecaps, what would 
that prove? It would STILL be the case that water moves from one wave to 
the next, and stars move from one arm to the next. It would STILL be the 
case that there is water between the waves, and stars between the arms.

And you CANNOT HAVE arms alternating matter and antimatter if there is 
stuff in between that would yield obvious radiation that IS NOT SEEN.

What about this do you not understand?

> You should ride your bike backwards, how fast you can backpedal.
> Believe in magical, sructureless, spread out but fundamental mish mash if you want, Odd.
> Won't make it true and it's still going away like sand being sucked from under your feet with the outgoing tide
> 


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#646044

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-15 15:21 -0500
Message-ID<omvl46$1dot$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#646004
On 8/15/17 10:02 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Odd
>> "
>>> A short time ago, you were arguing that star-arms couldn't be staying
>>> together as they orbit galaxies. Rainer Beck has shown that they have a
>>> helical magnetic field-
>>
>> Yes we know about those magnetic fields which are too weak to affect the
>> stars much.  You were saying that you had some evidence that the stars are
>> somehow confined to the arms? Let's hear that!
>> "
>> You said the arms don't stay as a unit.
>> NOW "we" know about the fields.
>> (Thanks to Rainer Beck)
>> Tell me- is the field an optical illusion?
>> Does it travel around the galaxy as a unit?
>> You say it doesn't "affect much". What do you base THAT statement on?
>> Wishful, wishful thinking?
>> Don't you want to know more about the fields?
>> I think not- because they show you to be wrong when you say the arms
>> aren't entities. Like electrons.
>>
> 
> John, a field does not mean the arms are segregated and does not mean that
> stars don't migrate from one arm to the next. Pay attention. Water waves on
> the ocean sometimes feature whitecaps, just like galactic arms sometimes
> feature fields. One wave is distinct from the next wave, just like one arm
> is distinct from the next wave.  But there is no void of water between the
> waves, just like there is no void of stars and matter between galactic
> arms. And a chunk of water in one wave will then migrate to the next wave,
> just like stars migrate from one arm to the next in a galaxy.
> 
> Now stop there a second and breathe. What is the implication of matter
> between galactic arms, and stars migrating from one arm to the next?
> 
> Would you even DREAM of claiming that ocean waves are alternating matter
> and antimatter? Would you claim this idea is supported by ocean waves being
> distinct entities with whitecaps? Hmmm?
> 

John, one more follow-up here, and here again I'm going to try to teach 
you something about science.

Hypotheses have implications that can be compared to observations. For a 
hypothesis to survive, every single firm implication has to match 
observations.

You have a tendency to say, "I have this idea M that explains why we see 
X." The problem is that you do not see that M also has a firm prediction 
Y and Z that observations are inconsistent with. Your response is to 
say, "Hey don't focus on the negative, I've got an answer for X!" But a 
real scientist will say, "Yeah, but it's still no good because it's 
ruled out by those Y and Z predictions that don't pan out."

Remember, in science, the main focus is trying to shoot DOWN an idea by 
seeing where data might conflict with the idea. The primary activity of 
a scientist who has an idea is to see if the idea survives all attempts 
to kill it. And the one who is trying to kill it is the guy with the idea.

This is what you don't get.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#646028

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-08-15 17:48 +0000
Message-ID<omvc5v$6rb$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#645997
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"
>>A short time ago, you were arguing that star-arms couldn't be staying 
>>together as they orbit galaxies. Rainer Beck has shown that they have a 
>>helical magnetic field- 

>Yes we know about those magnetic fields which are too weak to affect the 
>stars much.  You were saying that you had some evidence that the stars are 
>somehow confined to the arms? Let's hear that! 
>"
>You said the arms don't stay as a unit.
>NOW "we" know about the fields.
>(Thanks to Rainer Beck)
>Tell me- is the field an optical illusion?

The fields are not solid pipes that confine the stars, John. As a star moves
off-axis, the field will weaken and have an even smaller influence.

>Does it travel around the galaxy as a unit?

It is a dynamic creation of the stars and other matter in the arms, which
are themselves dynamic standing waves of density. So the fields will be
constantly changing but will probably follow the arms.

>You say it doesn't "affect much". What do you base THAT statement on? Wishful, wishful thinking?

Look up the magnetic field strengths and do the math, how strongly will the
fields interact with a typical star. Now tell us how strong that is compared
to the gravitational forces involved. Simple.

>Don't you want to know more about the fields?

Sure, if you have references with actual numbers and calculations, we can see
how the magnetic fields interact with the stars of the arms.

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#646024

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-15 12:42 -0500
Message-ID<omvbqo$tbt$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#645944
On 8/14/17 6:40 PM, john wrote:
> MM
> "
> You almost certainly misinterpreted something, however I don't know what.
> 
>> Address those questions- you won't.
> 
> Let's see YOU answer why the star density in a spiral galaxy goes from high to lower
> to high but NOT from high to zero to high again as you look from one arm to the next. "
> 
> No.
> It doesn't matter what answers I give you, you reject them all.

Hypocrisy much?

> You think that there is no underlying structure to the Universe.
> Big fail.
> You've been hoodwinked
> 


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#645900

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-14 11:25 -0700
Message-ID<592e311b-8b08-460d-b694-0f95332a4d54@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#645870
On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 10:20:10 AM UTC-4, john wrote:
[]
> Too much stupid pride is preventing you from learning.

You are hilarious John.
Accusing Michael of the very trait you practice.

LOL!
ed

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#646098

FromLofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-15 19:31 -0500
Message-ID<0f47pcd9l39gg3smi19d55re52hg1t8iem@4ax.com>
In reply to#645870
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 07:20:05 -0700 (PDT), john <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
wrote:

>MM
>"bizarre.  Of course poison is in the dose, could a meal of psilocybin 
>mushrooms kill you? If not by frying your brain, but by poisoning one's 
>liver or something. "
>Too much water will kill you.
>Too much anything will kill you.
>Too much stupid pride is preventing you from learning. Even your little girl was calling you out on stupid stuff like "smallest" and "no structure" and "no form or substance".

Oh, for fuck's sake ask Google: "psilocybe mushroom ld50".  You think no
one has ever studied this and written it up?

I know from personal experience that it's more than a half-ounce or so.

-- 
Goat

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#646114

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-15 18:31 -0700
Message-ID<88304e16-0563-4ac9-8902-c4fc7209b5b2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#646098
Lofty
"I know from personal experience that it's more than a half-ounce or so"
I'm impressed 

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#646230

FromLofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-16 19:31 -0500
Message-ID<jho9pcdop8t0lh46b3rohc58gkk8lk18ub@4ax.com>
In reply to#646114
On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 18:31:40 -0700 (PDT), john <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Lofty
>"I know from personal experience that it's more than a half-ounce or so"
>I'm impressed 

[sigh]  Do you know what "ld50" means?  Do you know anything about
pharmacodynamics or pharmacokinetics?  It's off-topic, I know, but
consider this:

A little basic terminology can do one of two things for you.  It can
help you find useful information.  It can help you get into useless,
misinformed arguments.  In the long run you'd probably enjoy the former
more than the latter.  I do.

And why be impressed?  Boiling up a few 'shrooms is one of the safer
things people get up to when they're young.  After all, the therapeutic
index of psilocybe mushrooms is probably higher than that of ethanol.

-- 
Goat

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#645787

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-13 18:01 -0500
Message-ID<omqlo0$btd$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#645714
On 8/13/17 10:04 AM, john wrote:
> Odd
> And ANOTHER thing- YOU tell me how there is created around our galaxy a DOUBLE-layered SPHERICAL halo with each layer having a different star-flow direction.

Reference? I'd like to read the paper.

> According to your theory.

Well, let's read the paper, shall we? Anything wrong with that idea?

> Are they somehow at the edge of what the big, bad BH eats? Or what?
> Lay it out for us, Odd.
> (He never will.)
> 
> Of course, my answer is that the disc precesses through, going one way now, the other way last time.
> As in
>   http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/NeonAnimation.GIF
> 


-- 
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#645786

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-13 18:00 -0500
Message-ID<omqllg$btd$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#645671
On 8/12/17 8:34 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> "
> from one arm to the next, which would wreak havoc on your alternating
> antimatter matter arm idea. Your ideas have to match KNOWN facts, not .."
> 
> You have repeated this stars migrating BS before.
> Stars viewed doing that could easily be, and probably are, in the spherical halo in front of or behind the galaxy, 

No sir. They are in the same plane as the galactic arms, as determined 
by luminosity measurements.

Again, I don't know why you insist on making suppositions without any 
reference to existing data.

It's like you think, "Nothing's been measured, there are no facts to 
check against, it's all supposition and my suppositions are as good as 
any, because the physics game is all about imagination and supposing 
things." Bullshit, John, just bullshit. Get a clue what science is about.

> or even nowhere near the galaxy in question. Why don't you consult some other viewpoint than Earth's? Oh, right, there is none. You have no idea how near or far some star is that appears not to be going with the other stars.
> Is that not true, Odd?
> Bullshit artist.
> 


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#645793

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-13 16:40 -0700
Message-ID<54d68db2-aad4-4acc-b3d2-76c60270eb1d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#645786
Odd
"
On 8/12/17 8:34 PM, john wrote: 
> Odd 
> " 
> from one arm to the next, which would wreak havoc on your alternating 
> antimatter matter arm idea. Your ideas have to match KNOWN facts, not .." 
> 
> You have repeated this stars migrating BS before. 
> Stars viewed doing that could easily be, and probably are, in the spherical halo in front of or behind the galaxy, 

No sir. They are in the same plane as the galactic arms, as determined 
by luminosity measurements. "

Odd, you twit, they cannot determine a stars distance with anything near that accuracy:

'The use of Type Ia supernovae to measure precise distances was pioneered by a collaboration of Chilean and US astronomers, the Calán/Tololo Supernova Survey.[39] In a series of papers in the 1990s the survey showed that while Type Ia supernovae do not all reach the same peak luminosity, a single parameter measured from the light curve can be used to correct unreddened Type Ia supernovae to standard candle values. The original correction to standard candle value is known as the Phillips relationship [40] and was shown by this group to be able to measure relative distances to 7% accuracy.[41] The cause of this uniformity in peak brightness is related to the amount of 56Ni produced in white dwarfs presumably exploding near the Chandrasekhar limit"  --  Type Ia supernova'

In case you missed it, they're not even sure of their 'standard candle' brightness.
All stars vary in brightness, Odd, you Twit.

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#645796

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-13 23:45 +0000
Message-ID<omqoaf$fit$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#645793
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "
> On 8/12/17 8:34 PM, john wrote: 
>> Odd 
>> " 
>> from one arm to the next, which would wreak havoc on your alternating 
>> antimatter matter arm idea. Your ideas have to match KNOWN facts, not .." 
>> 
>> You have repeated this stars migrating BS before. 
>> Stars viewed doing that could easily be, and probably are, in the
>> spherical halo in front of or behind the galaxy, 
> 
> No sir. They are in the same plane as the galactic arms, as determined 
> by luminosity measurements. "
> 
> Odd, you twit, they cannot determine a stars distance with anything near that accuracy:

Who is talking about supernovae or for that matter individual stars? We are
talking about populations of stars. How the hell do you think astronomers
figure out how far galaxies are away? Do you know that the uncertainty in
the measured property of a population goes down like 1/sqrt(N), where N is
the size of the population?

> 
> 'The use of Type Ia supernovae to measure precise distances was pioneered
> by a collaboration of Chilean and US astronomers, the Calán/Tololo
> Supernova Survey.[39] In a series of papers in the 1990s the survey
> showed that while Type Ia supernovae do not all reach the same peak
> luminosity, a single parameter measured from the light curve can be used
> to correct unreddened Type Ia supernovae to standard candle values. The
> original correction to standard candle value is known as the Phillips
> relationship [40] and was shown by this group to be able to measure
> relative distances to 7% accuracy.[41] The cause of this uniformity in
> peak brightness is related to the amount of 56Ni produced in white dwarfs
> presumably exploding near the Chandrasekhar limit"  --  Type Ia supernova'
> 
> In case you missed it, they're not even sure of their 'standard candle' brightness.
> All stars vary in brightness, Odd, you Twit.
> 

Right, but the averages of the populations have much smaller variations,
you twit. 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#645799

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-13 16:58 -0700
Message-ID<f217cf3d-97f3-4e84-8213-9173761cfd36@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#645796
Odd
"Right, but the averages of the populations have much smaller variations, 
you twit. "
Were you not talking about AN INDIVIDUAL STAR?
NOT a population.
And you think that it can be determined if an individual star is within rather than just either side of a galaxy?

Pretty sure "not even", Odd, you twit. You need drugs- or something.

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#645800

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-13 17:08 -0700
Message-ID<b45f1596-0371-474d-a0c9-f16d904614b3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#645799
Odd
Here, read this, you twit:
from http://news.psu.edu/story/299655/2014/01/08/research/distance-remote-galaxies-can-now-be-measured-1-percent-accuracy
"Distances to planets in the solar system can be measured to high accuracy using radar, but for more-distant objects astronomers must turn to less-direct methods. Only a few hundred stars and a small number of star clusters are close enough to have distances measured with 1 percent accuracy. Nearly all of these stars are only a few thousand light years away and are still within our own Milky Way galaxy. Reaching out a million times farther away, the new BOSS measurements probe far beyond our galaxy to map the universe with unprecedented accuracy.

"Making a 1 percent measurement at a distance of 6 billion light years is a huge step forward," explained Eisenstein, "and it requires a completely different technique from measurements in the solar system or the Milky Way.""

You see, Odd, galaxies are far, far away.
Even an accuracy of 1% is NOWHERE CLOSE to being able to determine if a star is within the galaxy, or not. So, you can blow that silly idea out of your silly head.
Who taught you Science? Oh, right, you're self-taught.

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#645860

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-14 08:42 -0500
Message-ID<oms9bf$ek1$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#645800
On 8/13/17 7:08 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> Here, read this, you twit:
> from http://news.psu.edu/story/299655/2014/01/08/research/distance-remote-galaxies-can-now-be-measured-1-percent-accuracy
> "Distances to planets in the solar system can be measured to high accuracy using radar, but for more-distant objects astronomers must turn to less-direct methods. Only a few hundred stars and a small number of star clusters are close enough to have distances measured with 1 percent accuracy. Nearly all of these stars are only a few thousand light years away and are still within our own Milky Way galaxy. Reaching out a million times farther away, the new BOSS measurements probe far beyond our galaxy to map the universe with unprecedented accuracy.
> 
> "Making a 1 percent measurement at a distance of 6 billion light years is a huge step forward," explained Eisenstein, "and it requires a completely different technique from measurements in the solar system or the Milky Way.""
> 
> You see, Odd, galaxies are far, far away.
> Even an accuracy of 1% is NOWHERE CLOSE to being able to determine if a star is within the galaxy, or not. So, you can blow that silly idea out of your silly head.
> Who taught you Science? Oh, right, you're self-taught.
> 

The 1% applies to galaxies that are 6 billion light years away. Closer 
galaxies are associated with greater precision.

For reference, the migration of stars has been observed in our own 
galaxy, which is about 100,000 light years across, meaning that the 
stars observed are on average 50,000 light years away, roughly, nowhere 
near 6 billion.

For reference, Andromeda is 2.5 million light years away. Its diameter 
is about 220,000 light years across. 1%, the conservative figure, of 2.5 
million light years, is 20,000 light-years. That number is 10% of the 
diameter, which is more than enough to localize populations of stars to 
the disk. Keep in mind that the precision number 1% for galaxies 6 
BILLION light years away is about 0.06% for stars in Andromeda, a factor 
of 16 better. So yes, it's pretty easy to tell if migrating stars are in 
the disk.

Yes, I'm self-taught. So are you, apparently, and so you don't really 
have much stance to judge from, do you? The difference is that I'm a 
little better at it than you are, possibly because I'm not terrified of 
reading.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#645859

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-14 08:34 -0500
Message-ID<oms8tc$dbp$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#645793
On 8/13/17 6:40 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> "
> On 8/12/17 8:34 PM, john wrote:
>> Odd
>> "
>> from one arm to the next, which would wreak havoc on your alternating
>> antimatter matter arm idea. Your ideas have to match KNOWN facts, not .."
>>
>> You have repeated this stars migrating BS before.
>> Stars viewed doing that could easily be, and probably are, in the spherical halo in front of or behind the galaxy,
> 
> No sir. They are in the same plane as the galactic arms, as determined
> by luminosity measurements. "
> 
> Odd, you twit, they cannot determine a stars distance with anything near that accuracy:
> 
> 'The use of Type Ia supernovae to measure precise distances was pioneered by a collaboration of Chilean and US astronomers, the Calán/Tololo Supernova Survey.[39] In a series of papers in the 1990s the survey showed that while Type Ia supernovae do not all reach the same peak luminosity, a single parameter measured from the light curve can be used to correct unreddened Type Ia supernovae to standard candle values. The original correction to standard candle value is known as the Phillips relationship [40] and was shown by this group to be able to measure relative distances to 7% accuracy.[41] The cause of this uniformity in peak brightness is related to the amount of 56Ni produced in white dwarfs presumably exploding near the Chandrasekhar limit"  --  Type Ia supernova'
> 
> In case you missed it, they're not even sure of their 'standard candle' brightness.
> All stars vary in brightness, Odd, you Twit.
> 

Measured, John.
https://arxiv.org/abs/1503.02110
http://science.psu.edu/news-and-events/2015-news/Schneider7-2015
====================
Scientists with the Sloan Digital Sky Survey-III (SDSS) have created a 
new map of the Milky Way, which provides the first clear evidence that 
migration of stars occurs throughout our Galaxy. The study, which 
determined that 30 percent of stars have moved far across the Galaxy, is 
bringing a new understanding of how stars are formed and travel 
throughout the Milky Way.

"We were able to measure the properties of nearly 70,000 stars in our 
Galaxy for this particular study using the innovative SDSS infrared 
spectrograph," said Donald Schneider, Distinguished Professor of 
Astronomy and Astrophysics at Penn State and a coauthor of the study. 
"This exercise can be described as Galactic archeology. These data 
reveal the locations, motions, and compositions of the stars, which 
provide insights into their formation and their history." Schneider is 
the SDSS-III survey coordinator and the project's scientific 
publications coordinator.
======================

Try reading some papers, John. They're useful.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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