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  Helical magnetic fields surround galactic arms john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 16:27 -0700
    Re: Helical magnetic fields surround galactic arms pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-11 18:26 -0700
    Re: Helical magnetic fields surround galactic arms moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-12 11:57 +0000
      Re: Helical magnetic fields surround galactic arms john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 05:16 -0700
        Re: Helical magnetic fields surround galactic arms moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-12 18:19 +0000
          Re: Helical magnetic fields surround galactic arms john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 12:15 -0700
            Re: Helical magnetic fields surround galactic arms moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-12 20:16 +0000
            Re: Helical magnetic fields surround galactic arms HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 07:01 -0700
              Re: Helical magnetic fields surround galactic arms john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 15:34 -0700
                Re: Helical magnetic fields surround galactic arms HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 03:43 -0700
    Re: Helical magnetic fields surround galactic arms Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 09:36 -0500
      Re: Helical magnetic fields surround galactic arms john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 07:54 -0700
        Re: Helical magnetic fields surround galactic arms Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 15:07 -0500

#632989 — Helical magnetic fields surround galactic arms

Rainer Beck has observed magnetic fields in
galaxies where a helical field is present in
the main arms.
This blows to shit  Odd and MM's assertions 
that galactic arms are not entities.

Get used to it, guys.
YOUR sky is falling.

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#633005

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 4:27:29 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
> Rainer Beck has observed magnetic fields in
> galaxies where a helical field is present in
> the main arms.
> This blows to shit  Odd and MM's assertions 
> that galactic arms are not entities.
> 
> Get used to it, guys.
> YOUR sky is falling.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Clearly, spiral arms are entities, the question is 'are they transient or are they permanent?' It will be a while before this is nailed down, but in either case there is no reason that there shouldn't be a magnetic field... or do you know better than the rest of the scientific community?

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john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Rainer Beck has observed magnetic fields in
>galaxies where a helical field is present in
>the main arms.
>This blows to shit  Odd and MM's assertions 
>that galactic arms are not entities.

>Get used to it, guys.
>YOUR sky is falling.

So explain how anything is "blown to shit" by that.  Oh that's right, you
never explain anything, you just pull crap like that from your ass and 
post it.

Galactic arms are obviously "entities", but are transient entities.  
They're standing waves of star density as stars orbit the galactic
center.

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#633040

MM
"Galactic arms are obviously "entities", but are transient entities.   
They're standing waves of star density as stars orbit the galactic 
center. "

Oh, so the helical magnetic field is transient, too?
As is the IMF?
Penny. Drop.

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#633069

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"Galactic arms are obviously "entities", but are transient entities.   
>They're standing waves of star density as stars orbit the galactic 
>center. "

>Oh, so the helical magnetic field is transient, too?

It will change as the arms change, as stars enter and leave them.

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MM
"
It will change as the arms change, as stars enter and leave them. "

No, Michael.
The field contains the stars.

The Interplanetary Magnetic Field
contains the planets-all exactly at its axis.
You think the planets can "enter and leave"?

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#633075

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"
>It will change as the arms change, as stars enter and leave them. "

>No, Michael.
>The field contains the stars.

>The Interplanetary Magnetic Field
>contains the planets-all exactly at its axis.
>You think the planets can "enter and leave"?

No, John, that's crap.  The planets are held in orbit by gravity, not
any magnetic field.  Same is true for the stars in the arms, they are
held in orbit by gravity.

As each star has its own orbit, they move independently of each other
and will move into and out of the arms when their own times come.

We also know this because of the measured motion of nearby stars.  If
galactic arms were fixed, nearby stars (in the same galactic arm as the
sun) would not move relative to the sun (us), yet we can measure their
motion, some toward us, some away, some sideways.

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#633163

Poor John says
The Interplanetary Magnetic Field 
contains the planets-all exactly at its axis. 
You think the planets can "enter and leave"? 
--------------

Of course they can!

Your basic laws of physics explains how and why in exquisite detail.

John, John, John.....

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#633210

HVAC
"
Your basic laws of physics explains how and why in exquisite detail. 
"
No relationship between where they are and 
it?

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#633234

Poor John says
HVAC 
" 
Your basic laws of physics explains how and why in exquisite detail. 
" 
No relationship between where they are and 
it? 
------------

Not that I am aware. 
Almost all the interactions between celestial objects can be described using simple Newtonian physics.

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#633050

On 5/11/17 6:27 PM, john wrote:
> Rainer Beck has observed magnetic fields in
> galaxies where a helical field is present in
> the main arms.
> This blows to shit  Odd and MM's assertions
> that galactic arms are not entities.

What assertion was that?

> 
> Get used to it, guys.
> YOUR sky is falling.
> 


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#633054

Odd
"
What assertion was that? 
"

You can't remember your position on whether 
galactic arms are distinct entities?

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#633074

On 5/12/17 9:54 AM, john wrote:
> Odd
> "
> What assertion was that?
> "
> 
> You can't remember your position on whether
> galactic arms are distinct entities?
> 

What I said, John, is this:
- There are a lot of galaxies that have no arms at all because they are 
not spiral galaxies. This causes a problem for someone who says that 
electrons are like the arms of galaxies and atoms are like galaxies.
- Galactic arms are in direct contact with the visible galactic core in 
spiral galaxies. Since the visible core has to be either matter or 
antimatter, there's going to have to be at least one arm that has the 
opposite character (antimatter or matter) and at the point of contact 
between the arm and the core there would necessarily be characteristic 
gamma rays which are in fact not observed. This causes a problem for 
someone who says that galactic arms alternate between matter and antimatter.
- The stars that make up a galactic arm migrate from arm to arm. This 
poses another problem for someone who says that one arm is antimatter 
and the next arm is matter.
- You say the space between arms is because matter and antimatter repel. 
But positronium is a case where matter and antimatter do not repel, and 
in fact they do the opposite, which might cause a conflict with your 
idea of adjacent arms staying separated.

You'll see that I've listed at least four major problems with your 
galactic arm idea, any one of which is an obvious direct hit, and at no 
point did I need to say anything about them being distinct entities or not.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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