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Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate

Started byjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
First post2017-03-04 07:17 -0800
Last post2017-03-17 04:01 +0000
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  Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-04 07:17 -0800
    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-04 17:12 +0000
      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-03-04 19:33 +0100
        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-04 20:45 +0000
    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-04 12:31 -0600
      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-03-04 19:40 +0100
      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-04 18:23 -0500
      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-07 04:40 -0800
        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-07 04:56 -0800
        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-07 07:14 -0600
          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-07 05:53 -0800
            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-07 16:26 +0000
            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-07 11:44 -0600
    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-03-04 12:53 -0800
      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 17:09 -0800
    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate S Ergio <invlid@invalid.com> - 2017-03-07 06:59 -0600
      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-07 05:59 -0800
        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate S Ergio <invlid@invalid.com> - 2017-03-07 08:24 -0600
          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate S Ergio <invlid@invalid.com> - 2017-03-07 11:57 -0600
          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-03-07 11:01 -0800
        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-07 16:31 +0000
        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-08 06:11 -0800
    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-03-07 09:39 -0800
      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-03-07 17:56 -0800
    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate S Ergio <invlid@invalid.com> - 2017-03-07 11:59 -0600
      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-07 10:28 -0800
        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate S Ergio <invlid@invalid.com> - 2017-03-07 12:49 -0600
        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-07 13:09 -0600
        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-08 03:19 +0000
          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-08 05:47 -0800
            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-08 06:53 -0800
            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-08 09:50 -0600
            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-08 17:17 +0000
            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-08 11:45 -0800
              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-08 14:20 -0600
                subjectum editen arbyz14u@gmail.com - 2017-03-08 12:34 -0800
                  or, maybe, (1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2) noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-08 19:32 -0800
                    or, maybe, (1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2) john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 06:14 -0800
                      Re: or, maybe, (1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2) Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 15:26 +0100
                      Re: or, maybe, (1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 08:29 -0600
                        Re: or, maybe, (1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2) john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 07:18 -0800
                          (1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2) noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 07:29 -0800
                          Re: or, maybe, (1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 09:32 -0600
                            Re: or, maybe, (1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2) john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 10:46 -0800
                              exemplar grati noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 11:55 -0800
                                Re: exemplar grati noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 22:00 -0800
                              Re: or, maybe, (1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-10 20:57 +0000
                              Re: or, maybe, (1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 16:13 -0600
                          Re: or, maybe, (1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 09:34 -0600
              Re: When we zoom in|out too far, it looks random. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-08 19:41 -0500
            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-11 13:04 -0800
              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-11 17:16 -0500
                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-11 16:59 -0800
                  Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-11 20:28 -0500
                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 07:17 -0700
                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 10:59 -0700
                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-03-14 13:15 -0700
                        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 15:17 -0700
                          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 17:23 -0500
                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 16:06 -0700
                              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 09:02 -0500
                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 07:05 -0700
                                  Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 09:58 -0500
                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 08:22 -0700
                                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 10:33 -0500
                                        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 09:16 -0700
                                          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 09:23 -0700
                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 12:10 -0500
                                              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 05:14 -0700
                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-16 05:55 -0700
                                                  Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 06:18 -0700
                                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 08:52 -0500
                                                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 07:22 -0700
                                                        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 09:35 -0500
                                                          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 08:23 -0700
                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 10:27 -0500
                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 08:45 -0700
                                                              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 08:55 -0700
                                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 11:26 -0500
                                                                  Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 09:43 -0700
                                                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 12:00 -0500
                                                                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 10:13 -0700
                                                                        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 13:34 -0500
                                                                          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 11:57 -0700
                                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 14:06 -0500
                                                                              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 12:22 -0700
                                                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 14:30 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 12:41 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 15:13 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 15:17 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 13:29 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 15:37 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 14:05 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 16:21 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 15:15 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-16 20:02 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 18:13 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-16 19:54 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-16 19:28 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-16 18:57 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 16:20 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-16 19:51 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-16 19:25 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 07:17 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-17 04:11 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 01:58 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-17 13:00 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 06:29 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 07:28 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 07:54 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate folland28@gmail.com - 2017-03-17 09:23 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 11:52 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 10:26 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-17 11:21 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 11:25 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-17 11:29 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 13:38 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 12:11 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 14:20 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 15:26 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 17:28 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-17 22:53 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-17 23:13 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 18:57 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 19:20 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-18 03:56 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-17 23:52 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 01:59 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 19:23 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-20 08:28 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 08:42 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 11:42 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 08:00 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-20 12:07 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 07:18 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-21 11:35 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 09:31 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 11:32 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate hanson <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-03-31 12:33 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-22 02:24 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 06:18 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 07:13 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-22 18:11 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 07:17 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 11:32 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 09:34 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-22 14:35 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 08:06 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 08:21 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-22 10:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-22 17:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 13:11 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 13:02 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 13:28 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 15:54 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-22 18:16 -0400
                                                                                                                                        Re: Usenet is all play and no work. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-22 18:27 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: Usenet is all play and no work. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 17:17 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Usenet is all play and no work. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-03-31 17:57 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Usenet is all play and no work. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 21:25 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: Usenet is all play and no work. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-03-31 18:51 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Usenet is all play and no work. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 04:06 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Usenet is all play and no work. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 06:34 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Usenet is all play and no work. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-04-01 17:45 -0400
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Usenet is all play and no work. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 15:09 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Usenet is all play and no work. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 15:59 -0700
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Usenet is all play and no work. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 16:09 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Usenet is all play and no work. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-04-01 19:12 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-22 17:49 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-22 10:29 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 20:26 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 09:18 -0500
                                                                                                                John Sefton won't bow down to experimental evidence. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 06:47 -0700
                                                                                                                Arrogance is ugly. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 06:52 -0700
                                                                                                                  Arrogance is ugly. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 07:19 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Arrogance is ugly. gmbr3359@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 09:27 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Arrogance is ugly. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-18 16:33 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Arrogance is ugly. gmbr3359@gmail.com - 2017-03-18 09:41 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Arrogance is ugly. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 10:52 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Arrogance is ugly. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-03-18 14:26 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: John Sefton won't bow down to experimental evidence. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-18 17:48 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: John Sefton won't bow down to experimental evidence. edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-20 08:29 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-18 04:12 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-17 23:22 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 23:34 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-17 23:19 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-17 10:10 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-17 22:59 +0000
                                                                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-16 19:13 -0700
                                                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-16 19:04 -0700
                                                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-17 04:04 +0000
                                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 12:30 -0700
                                                                  Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 12:49 -0700
                                                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 12:57 -0700
                                                                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-16 18:34 -0400
                                                                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-16 19:06 -0400
                                                                  Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-16 18:29 -0400
                                                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 18:19 -0700
                                                                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-16 23:13 -0400
                                                                        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 20:54 -0700
                                                                        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 05:35 -0700
                                                                          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-18 17:14 -0400
                                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-18 16:10 -0700
                                                                              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-18 20:35 -0400
                                                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-19 05:02 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-19 05:23 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-19 05:35 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-19 05:46 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-19 07:30 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-19 07:40 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-19 07:48 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-19 07:50 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-19 08:40 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 00:29 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 00:53 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 04:42 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 20:21 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 07:27 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 07:34 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 08:22 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 08:46 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-21 17:23 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-21 17:16 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-21 17:16 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Order in Nature. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-03-21 14:32 -0700
                                                                                            Re: The "church steeple" is a campus building. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 16:20 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Princeton's 5 octave carillon ( 35 bells, in a Gothic tower ). Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-03-23 12:59 -0700
                                                                                            Re: The "church steeple" is a campus building. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-21 19:32 -0400
                                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-16 18:52 -0700
                                                                  Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 07:25 -0500
                                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-17 03:53 +0000
                                                              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-16 18:19 -0400
                                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-17 03:51 +0000
                                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-16 18:35 -0700
                                                    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-17 03:47 +0000
                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 08:49 -0500
                                                  Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 07:42 -0700
                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-17 03:43 +0000
                                          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 12:04 -0500
                                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 11:00 -0700
                                              Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 11:06 -0700
                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 13:32 -0500
                                                  Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-16 18:26 -0400
                                                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-16 19:16 -0700
                                                  Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 02:20 -0700
                                  Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-17 03:40 +0000
                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 23:25 -0700
                          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-15 09:35 -0700
                      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-14 19:03 -0400
                        Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-03-14 23:23 +0000
                          Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-14 20:52 -0400
                            Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 18:03 -0700
                Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 07:53 -0700
    Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 11:18 -0500
      Re: Another insanity- That electrons don't radiate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-17 04:01 +0000

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#621970

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-03-07 16:31 +0000
Message-ID<o9mn9e$33i$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#621963
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>S.Ergio
>"if they radiate, they loose energy, so at some point the electron would 
>just drop off.  But it dosent, so it dont. "

>Now remember one of the reasons against
>LeSage Gravity: if matter continually were
>absorbing Gravity, it would heat up.

>So, if electrons were continually LOSING
>energy to provide energy, but matter is
>continually ABSORBING this energy to
>provide Inertia and Gravity, I don't see the
>problem. I see a solution.

Except 1) we already know LeSage gravity doesn't work; and 2) stuff
would still heat up. You apparently see Magic energy in LeSage "mundane
particles" supplying energy to replace energy radiated by electrons, yet
the electrons still radiate causing stuff to heat up/radiate light/radio/
X-rays or whatever.
Problem not solved.

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#622133

Fromedprochak@gmail.com
Date2017-03-08 06:11 -0800
Message-ID<9316a27b-e7a7-4755-8ece-1e98dbb7f0cc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#621963
On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 8:59:44 AM UTC-5, john wrote:
> S.Ergio
> "if they radiate, they loose energy, so at some point the electron would 
> just drop off.  But it dosent, so it dont. "
> 
> Now remember one of the reasons against
> LeSage Gravity: if matter continually were
> absorbing Gravity, it would heat up.
> 
> So, if electrons were continually LOSING
> energy to provide energy, but matter is
> continually ABSORBING this energy to
> provide Inertia and Gravity, I don't see the
> problem. I see a solution.

So you had your chance at abandoning this insane
theory, but let it pass by.

too bad. I was really hoping you could change your mind.
ed

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#621983

From"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-07 09:39 -0800
Message-ID<d992963a-b140-4150-abdd-ab71f1416776@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#621455
On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 7:17:39 AM UTC-8, john wrote:
> Electrons may not radiate emr
> as they orbit,
> but they do radiate.
> They are changing direction
> rapidly and continuously in Space.
> Space is not empty; Space is as full
> as full can be.
> Space is Infinitely Full: there is and can
> be no smallest thing, and everything is made
> of something, all the turtles Russian Dolls way 
> down.
> Electrons everywhere give off ripples in 
> this Infinitely-recurring Space,
> and it is this pressure from all matter that
> is absorbed by matter and results in Gravity
> and Inertia.

Electrons indeed radiate. You all know my theory that photons can never change speed,nor bounce.Electrons are the reason.  If electrons changed to a low speed it would create this question "what gets them back to c?" O ya Trebert 

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#622076

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2017-03-07 17:56 -0800
Message-ID<o9no7o$v0e$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#621983
"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> wrote:
> You all know my theory that will not explain why I became
<http://tinyurl.com/Loudmouth-Glazier-8Feb2017> who is
a Face Shitter & Criminal Graveyard Vandal, and why
>
 <http://tinyurl.com/Jew-Swine-Glazier-cries> [1]
for what is pointed out to Bert in link [1] , who added:
>
But "I am a proud Jew with a Superiority complex
& an IQ of 122", & "I  know how everything works"
"Being Jewish I know this is so very true" -- Bert.
__**  "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert  **__.

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#621988

FromS Ergio <invlid@invalid.com>
Date2017-03-07 11:59 -0600
Message-ID<o9msem$1h6o$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#621455
On 3/4/2017 9:17 AM, john wrote:
> Electrons may not radiate emr
> as they orbit,
> but they do radiate.
> They are changing direction
> rapidly and continuously in Space.
> Space is not empty; Space is as full
   as full can be.
> Space is Infinitely Full: there is and can
> be no smallest thing, and everything is made
> of something, all the turtles Russian Dolls way
> down.
> Electrons everywhere give off ripples in
> this Infinitely-recurring Space,
> and it is this pressure from all matter that
> is absorbed by matter and results in Gravity
> and Inertia.
>

if you send an electron beam across some wiggle magnets it generates an 
intense XRay beam

https://www6.slac.stanford.edu/news/2016-06-15-spiraling-light-slac-x-ray-laser-offers-new-glimpses-molecules.aspx

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#621994

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-07 10:28 -0800
Message-ID<24629832-d357-4b53-8bdf-eeef3efe9ba0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#621988
The electron is in a bound state precisely
BECAUSE it can recover energy from
the proton. Energy which it is giving off
24/7, the proton is RECEIVING 24/7.
Little bits of electron are always burning out ,
falling in, and being shot back out in an
energized state.

You guys.

It's like saying, "Water can't evaporate because
all the water would be gone, and it's not,
so it doesn't."

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#621996

FromS Ergio <invlid@invalid.com>
Date2017-03-07 12:49 -0600
Message-ID<o9mvcq$1n71$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#621994
On 3/7/2017 12:28 PM, john wrote:
> The electron is in a bound state precisely
> BECAUSE it can recover energy from
> the proton. Energy which it is giving off
> 24/7, the proton is RECEIVING 24/7.
> Little bits of electron are always burning out ,
> falling in, and being shot back out in an
> energized state.
>
> You guys.
>
> It's like saying, "Water can't evaporate because
> all the water would be gone, and it's not,
> so it doesn't."
>

the water turns into water vapor at room temperature and the water vapor 
floats up into the sky, because moist air is lighter than dry air.

part of the momentuim of the electron beam (going very fast) is 
converted into xrays.

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#622000

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-07 13:09 -0600
Message-ID<o9n0gl$1pc8$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#621994
On 3/7/2017 12:28 PM, john wrote:
> The electron is in a bound state precisely
> BECAUSE it can recover energy from
> the proton.

No. Don't GUESS at what "bound state" means.
Don't INVENT what "bound state" means.

Look it up.

> Energy which it is giving off
> 24/7, the proton is RECEIVING 24/7.
> Little bits of electron are always burning out ,
> falling in, and being shot back out in an
> energized state.
>
> You guys.
>
> It's like saying, "Water can't evaporate because
> all the water would be gone, and it's not,
> so it doesn't."
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#622088

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-03-08 03:19 +0000
Message-ID<o9nt8l$epf$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#621994
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>The electron is in a bound state precisely
>BECAUSE it can recover energy from
>the proton.

Quit making up stupid crap, John.  An electron is bound because it doesn't
have the energy needed to escape from the nucleus (oversimplified, QM
complicates things).

>You guys.

>It's like saying, "Water can't evaporate because
>all the water would be gone, and it's not,
>so it doesn't."

No, what you are writing is more like "rocks evaporate when left out
in the sun on a hot day and later the rock vapor condenses and rocks
fall back to the ground, completing the cycle".  Only problem is that
rocks don't evaporate. And there is no rock vapor in the air to condense
back into rocks that fall back to earth.

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#622131

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-08 05:47 -0800
Message-ID<54340edc-139f-4b97-8ece-a8e7aa7258c0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#622088
MM
"QM complicates things"

Which is the opposite of the goal of Science.

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#622141

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-08 06:53 -0800
Message-ID<37ad3374-7317-4d18-a024-96f0abdffa28@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#622131
it's keplerian; see Sommerville e.g

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#622150

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-08 09:50 -0600
Message-ID<o9p98q$1s06$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#622131
On 3/8/2017 7:47 AM, john wrote:
> MM
> "QM complicates things"
>
> Which is the opposite of the goal of Science.
>

John, I'm sorry, but you just have some plain wrong ideas of what 
science is or does.
The goal of science is to discover the rules that nature operates by, no 
matter how complicated they are. It is not the aim of science to make 
nature simpler than it is. It is not the aim of science to explain 
nature in a naturally intuitive way.

You are trying to get nature to fit inside your own limitations, to 
conform to what is comfortable to YOU. You are nothing but a blip as far 
as the universe is concerned.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#622157

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-03-08 17:17 +0000
Message-ID<o9pebc$nut$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#622131
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"QM complicates things"

>Which is the opposite of the goal of Science.

Wrong.

The goal of science is to figure out how Nature works, and to
model it (so we can make things that depend on how nature works).

If nature happens to be complex, so be it. We have to deal with that.

Why do you believe the goal of science is to make things simple?
We don't get to tell nature what to do. Nature tells us what it does
and we have to accept that.

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#622166

Fromedprochak@gmail.com
Date2017-03-08 11:45 -0800
Message-ID<e59a36ef-cb6a-482c-84fd-7e625a7168bc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#622131
On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 8:47:24 AM UTC-5, john wrote:
> MM
> "QM complicates things"
> 
> Which is the opposite of the goal of Science.

No. You have to remember Murphy's 5th law:
Mother Nature is a Bitch.

Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.
 Albert Einstein
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alberteins103652.html

Note:
"as simple as possible" is not the same as "simple".
And do not overlook the ending "but not simpler."

Ed

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#622167

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-08 14:20 -0600
Message-ID<o9pp1u$qg3$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#622166
On 3/8/2017 1:45 PM, edprochak@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 8:47:24 AM UTC-5, john wrote:
>> MM
>> "QM complicates things"
>>
>> Which is the opposite of the goal of Science.
>
> No. You have to remember Murphy's 5th law:
> Mother Nature is a Bitch.
>
> Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.
>  Albert Einstein
> https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alberteins103652.html
>
> Note:
> "as simple as possible" is not the same as "simple".
> And do not overlook the ending "but not simpler."
>
> Ed
>

I believe there is a sentiment among certain people like John that 
science is an act of creation with the intent of making life better for 
people. They look at science as a way to create solutions to problems.

So people like John say, it's a problem that everyday people do not 
understand nature to see how to fix life's problems. Therefore, these 
people say, it is the job of science to allow people to understand 
nature to see how to fix life's problems.

Unfortunately, this is not the aim of science. The aim of science is to 
understand how nature works, period. If nature is complicated, then the 
understanding of it will be complicated, and the problem of everyday 
people not having the depth or the patience to gain that complicated 
understanding will go unsolved.

This pisses people like John off.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#622170 — subjectum editen

Fromarbyz14u@gmail.com
Date2017-03-08 12:34 -0800
Subjectsubjectum editen
Message-ID<66cf8017-30a5-43e8-ac2b-fe6e39bdfb2a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#622167
I'm going to change my name;
has to do with octonions, un\fortunately

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#622220 — or, maybe, (1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-08 19:32 -0800
Subjector, maybe, (1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)
Message-ID<f8583687-0bf0-4be0-8866-b80ed46c9909@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#622170
well, anyway, welcome
to the octonion workgroup!...  to begin with,
we shall investigate scalar powering,
1.4^(7/5)^1.4^(7/5),, and other 2-digital forms,
firstly where parentheses are not required,
because it is just sec0ndr00t of t00,
to the power of the secondr00t of t00, in a tower

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#622414 — or, maybe, (1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-10 06:14 -0800
Subjector, maybe, (1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)
Message-ID<babbfddd-69b8-4572-9b82-49553a6317c1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#622220
So- excited electrons give off a specific
amount of energy when "dropping"
back to their ground state.
So, excited electrons DO use energy
to orbit, but ground state electrons don't.

Is that the position of the Odd, et al?

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#622416 — Re: or, maybe, (1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-10 15:26 +0100
SubjectRe: or, maybe, (1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)
Message-ID<o9ucua$7c4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#622414
On 03/10/2017 03:14 PM, john wrote:
> So- excited electrons give off a specific
> amount of energy when "dropping"
> back to their ground state.
> So, excited electrons DO use energy
> to orbit, but ground state electrons don't.
>
> Is that the position of the Odd, et al?
>
I am not aware of Odd's position, but...

Electrons do not "use" energy.

Electrons in stable ground states,
or metastable excited states have energy,
that is partly kinetic, partly potential.

The energy forms mutually exchange, keeping the sum constant,
( analogically as e.g. satellites on elliptical orbits ),
until there is emitted or absorbed a photon,
what changes the electron quantum state. ( Not only energy)

-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )

A wise man guards words he says,
as they say about him more,
than he says about the subject.

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#622417 — Re: or, maybe, (1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-03-10 08:29 -0600
SubjectRe: or, maybe, (1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)^(1/2)
Message-ID<o9ud7i$79p$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#622414
On 3/10/2017 8:14 AM, john wrote:
> So- excited electrons give off a specific
> amount of energy when "dropping"
> back to their ground state.
> So, excited electrons DO use energy
> to orbit, but ground state electrons don't.
>
> Is that the position of the Odd, et al?
>

No, John.

"Using energy to orbit" means consuming a steady stream of energy to move.

Electrons in atoms can have different energy levels, just like rocks on 
different height shelves in your living room will have different amounts 
of potential energy. Rocks do not consume energy sitting on your shelf. 
The one sitting on a higher shelf will not consume energy, the one 
sitting on the lower shelf will not consume energy. But if a rock falls 
from a higher shelf to a lower shelf, it will now lose the higher amount 
of potential energy it had by sitting on the higher shelf. The 
difference between how much potential energy it had before and how much 
it has now when it lands, that energy goes into the damage it causes on 
the shelf below.

Electrons do not cause damage when they fall from one orbit to another. 
Instead, the difference between the energy it had before and how much it 
has now is radiated away in a photon (EM radiation).

But just like the rocks on the shelf, there is no energy consumed just 
sitting in one state or another.

Now you may say, but the rocks are sitting and the electrons are moving, 
and so there is energy consumed in moving where there is no energy 
consumed in sitting. And my reply is, no, there is no energy consumed in 
moving. Period, end of story. There are asteroids in space that have 
been moving for billions of years, and they have zero source of energy 
to move. They are just rocks. And so my question to you is, WHY do you 
think there is energy used up just in moving? What do you have in your 
mind that says, there HAS to be energy used in moving, because..... ? 
Because WHY?

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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