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  huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-11 13:25 -0800
    huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-11 16:03 -0800
      Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC Yuri Kreaton <invlaid@invalid.com> - 2016-12-11 18:23 -0600
        Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-11 17:54 -0800
    huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-12 10:42 -0800
      huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-12 20:29 -0800
        Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC Yuri Kreaton <invlaid@invalid.com> - 2016-12-12 22:41 -0600
          Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-13 09:57 -0800
            Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC Yuri Kreaton <invlaid@invalid.com> - 2016-12-13 13:35 -0600
    Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-12-13 11:23 -0800
      Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-12-13 11:37 -0800
      Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-13 13:21 -0800
        Standing Current in Eddy experiment Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-13 22:27 -0800
          Re: Standing Current in Eddy experiment Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-14 21:35 +0000
          Standing Current in Eddy experiment Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-14 21:16 -0800
            Re: Standing Current in Eddy experiment Eddy tube defines Standing Current Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-14 21:43 -0800
            Standing Current in Eddy experiment Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-15 13:21 -0800
              Re: Standing Current in Eddy experiment Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-12-15 18:36 -0800
                Re: Standing Current in Eddy experiment Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC Yuri Kreaton <invlaid@invalid.com> - 2016-12-15 21:48 -0600
                  Re: Standing Current in Eddy experiment Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-15 21:13 -0800
                    Re: Standing Current in Eddy experiment Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC Yuri Kreaton <invlaid@invalid.com> - 2016-12-19 22:04 -0600
              Eddy current is Running Current, not standing Re: Standing Current in Eddy experiment Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-15 23:01 -0800
                Eddy current is Running Current, not standing Re: Standing Current in Eddy experiment Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-16 15:56 -0800
                  defining Standing Current from Chemistry ions such as Fe^+2 or O^-2 etc Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-16 20:28 -0800
                    Re: defining Standing Current from Chemistry ions such as Fe^+2 or O^-2 etc Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-17 18:30 -0800
                      Re: defining Standing Current from Chemistry ions such as Fe^+2 or O^-2 etc Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-17 23:31 -0800
                        Re: defining Standing Current from Chemistry ions such as Fe^+2 or O^-2 etc Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-18 16:32 -0800
                          superconductivity finally explained once and for all Re: defining Standing Current from Chemistry ions such as Fe^+2 or O^-2 etc Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-18 18:51 -0800
                            Re: superconductivity finally explained once and for all Re: defining Standing Current from Chemistry ions such as Fe^+2 or O^-2 etc Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-12-19 19:33 -0800

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#608662 — huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC

Alright, I discovered a spectacular new physics yesterday, and of all places, it comes from my prodding into First Life. Discoveries in science, require the discoverer to go prodding and looking and wanting in all spectra of science before they come upon the simple big science. Unless I had questioned First Life as battery or capacitor, and then asked the question-- well, what is the difference between battery and capacitor-- had my attention focused so intensely on that issue, that I would never have discovered that Current comes in two types-- Standing Current which is DC only and Running Current which is both DC and AC.

On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 12:39:17 AM UTC-6, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> Alright I went to Halliday & Resnick 1988, page 618 for capacitor and page 662 for battery, which is a good sign for if they were the same thing, they would not likely have different chapters.
> 
> Now, keep in mind I believe voltage is the electric field and the two are one and the very same thing.
> 
> Reading H&R, I believe the battery is Voltage, as they write "A common seat of EMF is the battery,.."
> 
> And reading page 618, "You can store potential energy in an electrostatic field."
> 
> So, now I cannot say a capacitor is Voltage because 
> I already said the battery was voltage.
> 
> But what I can say is their is Ohm's law with 3 variables of a voltage, a current, a resistance. I already used up voltage and know the capacitor is not resistance, which leaves remaining that of current. Now, is there such a thing as a standing-current? A current that keeps flowing in the aluminum sheet of a capacitor? We cannot call it a static-current for that is a contradiction. So think instead that the sheet of aluminum has a current of electrons while the parallel sheet has a current flow of protons. In this view the plates or sheets are no different than a closed loop of copper wire with electron flow.
> 
> None of this is disobeying the Maxwell theory, and so finally we arrive at this:
> 
> Battery = voltage 
> 
> Capacitor = electric current
> 
> Where the battery is the more primal of the two. Voltage is more primal than current as my experiment shows a Cosmic Background Voltage. Wave around the leads of a multimeter, anywhere and get voltage.
> 
> So, First Life was a battery and evolved into a capacitor.
> 
> iPhone post 
> 
> AP

Now, next to experiment, measurement is the end all, and be all of physics.

So, what does my multimeter get for a battery? It gets voltage, telling me that a battery is a voltage machine, and it does not give me a capacitance reading.

What does my multimeter give me for a capacitor reading? It gives me capacitance in my homebuilt model of farads, and no voltage.

So, measurement agrees with my theory:

Capacitor = standing-current 

Battery = Voltage

Now, what is hugely important about this discovery that there is a Standiing Current as compared to a Running Current. Both acceptable in Maxwell theory?

What makes a Standing Current exist?

A standing current exists when another parallel plate has a positive current and the next has a negative current. In a copper wire of flowing electrons, in that same wire we have flowing protons. In a Parallel Plate Capacitor, what we have is excess electrons in one plate and excess protons in the second plate and the two plates cause each other to flow around in the individual plate. That is a definition of a Standing Current, compared to a Running Current such as copper wire.

Now, this is huge new physics, that there is a Standing Current versus Running Current, because what this means is the explanation of Superconductivity at room temperature. A capacitor is a superconductor of my homemade model of paper and aluminum foil.

So, what brings about superconductivity? It is brought about by making materials be Capacitors, and preventing the Standing Currents to mix. Preventing mixing by a dielectric, such as my paper with aluminum foil.

The extreme cold is needed to eliminate contacts, and to insure dielectrics.

No wonder there is no AC superconductivity, because Standing Currents can only be DC.

So, this is a huge and magnificent new discovery in physics-- the Standing Current. In Old Physics, they thought physics had just one type of current-- Running Current, and two subtypes, DC and AC. 

But it turns out that Physics has Two types of Current-- standing and running and running has two subtypes.

AP

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#608677

Any news on Juno?

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#608681

On 12/11/2016 6:03 PM, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> Any news on Juno?
>

cant find any.
it may be a charred lump of metal now.
POCA was noon EST

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#608697

On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 6:23:01 PM UTC-6, Yuri Kreaton wrote:
> On 12/11/2016 6:03 PM, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> > Any news on Juno?
> >
> 
> cant find any.
> it may be a charred lump of metal now.
> POCA was noon EST

The last flyby in this orbit, some site in India was the first to report. Maybe NASA has some watchers in India. But it sure seems late in reporting.

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#608759

Now the question is, when the circuit is open is there a Standing Current? Much like a capacitor.

AP

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#608851

Now in the eddy currents experiment we can sense standing current. Eddy current = standing current.

AP

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#608853

On 12/12/2016 10:29 PM, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> Now in the eddy currents experiment we can sense standing current.
> Eddy current = standing current.
>
> AP
>

Jumping Current ?

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#608872

I do not want to say static current as that is oxymoron.

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#608893

On 12/13/2016 11:57 AM, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> I do not want to say static current as that is oxymoron.
>
  static current can be an E Field ?

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#608887

On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 1:25:51 PM UTC-8, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> Alright, I discovered a spectacular new physics yesterday, and of all places, it comes from my prodding into First Life. Discoveries in science, require the discoverer to go prodding and looking and wanting in all spectra of science before they come upon the simple big science. Unless I had questioned First Life as battery or capacitor, and then asked the question-- well, what is the difference between battery and capacitor-- had my attention focused so intensely on that issue, that I would never have discovered that Current comes in two types-- Standing Current which is DC only and Running Current which is both DC and AC.
> 
> On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 12:39:17 AM UTC-6, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> > Alright I went to Halliday & Resnick 1988, page 618 for capacitor and page 662 for battery, which is a good sign for if they were the same thing, they would not likely have different chapters.
> > 
> > Now, keep in mind I believe voltage is the electric field and the two are one and the very same thing.
> > 
> > Reading H&R, I believe the battery is Voltage, as they write "A common seat of EMF is the battery,.."
> > 
> > And reading page 618, "You can store potential energy in an electrostatic field."
> > 
> > So, now I cannot say a capacitor is Voltage because 
> > I already said the battery was voltage.
> > 
> > But what I can say is their is Ohm's law with 3 variables of a voltage, a current, a resistance. I already used up voltage and know the capacitor is not resistance, which leaves remaining that of current. Now, is there such a thing as a standing-current? A current that keeps flowing in the aluminum sheet of a capacitor? We cannot call it a static-current for that is a contradiction. So think instead that the sheet of aluminum has a current of electrons while the parallel sheet has a current flow of protons. In this view the plates or sheets are no different than a closed loop of copper wire with electron flow.
> > 
> > None of this is disobeying the Maxwell theory, and so finally we arrive at this:
> > 
> > Battery = voltage 
> > 
> > Capacitor = electric current
> > 
> > Where the battery is the more primal of the two. Voltage is more primal than current as my experiment shows a Cosmic Background Voltage. Wave around the leads of a multimeter, anywhere and get voltage.
> > 
> > So, First Life was a battery and evolved into a capacitor.
> > 
> > iPhone post 
> > 
> > AP
> 
> Now, next to experiment, measurement is the end all, and be all of physics.
> 
> So, what does my multimeter get for a battery? It gets voltage, telling me that a battery is a voltage machine, and it does not give me a capacitance reading.
> 
> What does my multimeter give me for a capacitor reading? It gives me capacitance in my homebuilt model of farads, and no voltage.
> 
> So, measurement agrees with my theory:
> 
> Capacitor = standing-current 
> 
> Battery = Voltage
> 
> Now, what is hugely important about this discovery that there is a Standiing Current as compared to a Running Current. Both acceptable in Maxwell theory?
> 
> What makes a Standing Current exist?
> 
> A standing current exists when another parallel plate has a positive current and the next has a negative current. In a copper wire of flowing electrons, in that same wire we have flowing protons. In a Parallel Plate Capacitor, what we have is excess electrons in one plate and excess protons in the second plate and the two plates cause each other to flow around in the individual plate. That is a definition of a Standing Current, compared to a Running Current such as copper wire.
> 
> Now, this is huge new physics, that there is a Standing Current versus Running Current, because what this means is the explanation of Superconductivity at room temperature. A capacitor is a superconductor of my homemade model of paper and aluminum foil.
> 
> So, what brings about superconductivity? It is brought about by making materials be Capacitors, and preventing the Standing Currents to mix. Preventing mixing by a dielectric, such as my paper with aluminum foil.
> 
> The extreme cold is needed to eliminate contacts, and to insure dielectrics.
> 
> No wonder there is no AC superconductivity, because Standing Currents can only be DC.
> 
> So, this is a huge and magnificent new discovery in physics-- the Standing Current. In Old Physics, they thought physics had just one type of current-- Running Current, and two subtypes, DC and AC. 
> 
> But it turns out that Physics has Two types of Current-- standing and running and running has two subtypes.
> 
> AP

Capacitor static (like lightning) Battery DC flowing current that needs a conductor(copper wire) Capacitor builds up charge.TreBert

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#608895

"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> Cretin Glazier wrote:
Capacitor static (like lightning) Battery DC flowing current that needs a 
conductor(copper wire) Capacitor builds up charge.TreBert
>
hanson wrote:
Glazier, say something cogent now. Because if you don't then
the following will happen again, when....
>
Glazier's ex-tutor Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
"Glazier, do not post in a science newsgroup."
"Glazier, quit posting __ your Gutter Science__."
"Glazier, exit USENET. -- IOW Glazier, beat it!."
>
"Glazier, your science is far worse than the man's on the street."
"Glazier, your postings are old man's garbage."
"Glazier, your brain is entangled with a used garbage can."
>
"reber, take your 'you know it all thinking' to your grave" .
"reber, your horseshit gets old. Say hi to Allah for me.:
"reber, you don't believe in science."
>
... and Moderator General "HVAC" <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com>
"Harlow Campbell" succinctly added & wrote:
>
"Bert, you are Fucked in the head.
"TreBert, you are one stupid cocksucker".
"Bert, Seriously. You are the stupidest cocksucking
moron who ever came down the Mass Pike."
"Bert, does your stupidity know no bounds?"
>
"Bert, your opinion doesn't count"
"a trained cockroach is smarter than Bert"
"Bert, you are a clueless cocksucker"....
"Bert you are senile, dazed & confused"
"Bert is a racist. (And he's stupid too)"
>
"Bert, you really are a pathetic excuse for a human
fucking being". "Bert you are an idiot."
"Bert, are the stupidest cocksucker on the planet."
"Spin THIS, Glazier, you fucking idiot." "Bert get
some spelling lessons, you feeble-minded fuck".
>
"Bert, you should be arrested"
"Bert, I will call the police and tell them that your
van seems to be a center for drug activity in the
Wal-Mart parking lot"... .... .... about which....
>
Aviation Consultant Jim Pennino jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
Glazier, you are a spamming piece of shit...
Your Cocaine usage explains a lot of your posts.
You know nothing about government nor physics.
You are drunk again. Give up and kill yourself.
 >
Astrophysicist "Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote:
>
GLAZIER YOU ARE A LAMEbrain PIECE OF SHIT!
Saul Levy
>
Rocket Scientist Virdy "Mahipal" <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
I know, you reber are an idiot. Glazier, you are babbling
desperately. Is it sympathy or pity you're grasping for?
Stop it, either way.
 >
benj" Benjamin Franklin Jacoby <nobody@gmail.com> who wrote:
>
One only has to read Glazier's posts to see
when Bert was lobotomized.
But Herb found poster "Double-A" who likes to be like Glazier,
but "Abner Afterduft " is another kook who is as dumb as Bert is...
and promote that shitting into a bucket in a car is an achievement
that is a laudable accomplishment... and both being Marxist/Commie
Anarchists, they demand entitlement to goods and services that
were created by hardworking people while they themselves drink,
party and frolic!... ... still waiting "to be loved by all"...

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#608915

Well, the eddy current experiment-- drop a magnet in a copper tube is a Standing Current.

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#608964 — Standing Current in Eddy experiment Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 3:21:52 PM UTC-6, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> Well, the eddy current experiment-- drop a magnet in a copper tube is a Standing Current.

That is the biggest experimental proof so far, that there are two types of current-- Standing and Running.

Now the Superconductivity phenomenon is another experimental proof of Standing Currents.

A standing-current is like trapping a running current inside a material, but you need a parallel plate of standing protons in one and standing electron current in the other.

AP

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#609037 — Re: Standing Current in Eddy experiment Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC

Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> writes:

>On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 3:21:52 PM UTC-6, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
>> Well, the eddy current experiment-- drop a magnet in a copper tube is 
>> a Standing Current.

The 'drop a magnet through a copper pipe' trick is an excellent 
demonstration of the combination of Faraday's Law of Induction and Lenz's
Law.

The moving magnet generates an electric field according to Faraday's
Law in the set of Maxwell's Equations: curl(E) = -dB/dt.

As copper is a conductor, that generates a current around the 
circumference of the pipe, the pipe is essentially a one turn wire loop
with a magnet moving through it.

Lenz's Law states the induced current generates a magnetic field which
opposes the magnetic field that generated it.

This magnetic field, by opposing that of the original falling magnet, 
slows it.

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#609121 — Standing Current in Eddy experiment Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC

In the Eddy currents experiment the copper pipe is host to a Standing current. Not a running current. A capacitor is a standing current as well as a superconductor. The difference in these three is that the capacitor stores the standing current via the dielectric whereas the eddy tube and superconductor discharge the standing current if allowed.

AP

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#609122 — Re: Standing Current in Eddy experiment Eddy tube defines Standing Current Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 11:16:48 PM UTC-6, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> In the Eddy currents experiment the copper pipe is host to a Standing current. Not a running current. A capacitor is a standing current as well as a superconductor. The difference in these three is that the capacitor stores the standing current via the dielectric whereas the eddy tube and superconductor discharge the standing current if allowed.
> 
> AP

So I can practically define Standing Current as the current involved in a Eddy copper tube.

Now what would such a current look like compared to a Running Current? A standing current would be excess electrons in one conductor where the electrons are too many and in which they are potential energy instead of kinetic energy of running current.

Now atoms of chemistry have running and standing currents, such as halogens and alkali are running cuirrents whereas noble gases are standing currents.

AP

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#609189 — Standing Current in Eddy experiment Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC

Now this would be an interesting research experiment, one in which I am incapable since I have no superconductivity available.

Here we ask of two experiments. We charge a superconductor then stop the current flow and wait to see how long the current lasts.

Then we charge a capacitor of equal current and wait to see how long it lasts.

I have the hunch that the capacitor at room temperature outlasts the superconductor.

In other words, we never knew we already had room temperature superconductivity and that a capacitor is superior to cold temperature superconductivity.

iPhone post 

AP

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#609210 — Re: Standing Current in Eddy experiment Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC

oh, please; thankyou

> In other words, we never knew we already had room temperature superconductivity and that a capacitor is superior to cold temperature superconductivity.
> 
> iPhone post 
> 
> AP

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#609220 — Re: Standing Current in Eddy experiment Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC

On 12/15/2016 8:36 PM, noTthaTguY wrote:
> oh, please; thankyou
>
>> In other words, we never knew we already had room temperature
>> superconductivity and that a capacitor is superior to cold
>> temperature superconductivity.
>>
>> iPhone post
>>
>> AP
>

AP - you have about 50 capacitors in your computer, and another 25 in 
your keyboard. And another 3 in your monitor.

and about 35 in your iPhone.

so be careful what you say, the caps are all around you.

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#609222 — Re: Standing Current in Eddy experiment Re: huge new physics discovery-- two types of Current -- Standing and Running with two subtypes for running-- DC & AC

How many in my 1999 Toyota pickup

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