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  A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 12:20 -0600
    Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-20 19:34 +0000
      Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:19 -0600
        Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-21 01:07 +0000
          Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 10:42 -0600
            Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-23 19:00 +0000
              Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 13:11 -0600
      Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:30 -0800
        Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:39 -0800
          Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2016-01-21 01:41 +0000
            Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 18:02 -0800
              Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 18:05 -0800
                Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 18:11 -0800
                  Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 18:18 -0800
                    Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 18:21 -0800
                      Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 18:32 -0800
              Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2016-01-21 02:21 +0000
                Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 18:39 -0800
                  Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2016-01-21 02:50 +0000
                    Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-21 18:27 -0800
                      Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-22 19:11 -0800
                        Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 22:24 -0600
        Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:57 -0800
    Re: A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-20 19:48 -0600

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#546760 — A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-20 12:20 -0600
SubjectA 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say
Message-ID<McadnfK555pFUgLLnZ2dnUU7-cWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say
> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/20/463709775/a-scorcher-2015-shatters-record-as-warmest-year-nasa-and-noaa-say


> NASA is presenting the annual review of global average temperatures
> in conjunction with NOAA, which says that not only did 2015 finish as
> the warmest year on record, it did so by the widest margin ever –
> nearly a third of one degree Fahrenheit warmer than 2014's average.
>
> In 2015, the average temperature on land and ocean surfaces around
> the world was "1.62°F (0.90°C) above the 20th century average,"
> according to NOAA.
>
> That makes 2015 the hottest since instrument records began being kept
> in 1880, beating the record set in 2014 by 0.29°F (0.16°C).
>
> The Northern Hemisphere saw the biggest rise in land temperatures,
> finishing 2.59 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than the 20th century
> average.


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#546794

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-01-20 19:34 +0000
Message-ID<o245nc-8ac.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#546760
Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say
>> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/20/463709775/a-scorcher-2015-shatters-record-as-warmest-year-nasa-and-noaa-say
> 
> 
>> NASA is presenting the annual review of global average temperatures
>> in conjunction with NOAA, which says that not only did 2015 finish as
>> the warmest year on record, it did so by the widest margin ever ?
>> nearly a third of one degree Fahrenheit warmer than 2014's average.
>>
>> In 2015, the average temperature on land and ocean surfaces around
>> the world was "1.62?F (0.90?C) above the 20th century average,"
>> according to NOAA.
>>
>> That makes 2015 the hottest since instrument records began being kept
>> in 1880, beating the record set in 2014 by 0.29?F (0.16?C).
>>
>> The Northern Hemisphere saw the biggest rise in land temperatures,
>> finishing 2.59 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than the 20th century
>> average.
 
The "global average temperature" is all smoke and mirrors and meaningless.

 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#546848

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-20 18:19 -0600
Message-ID<atednacwfreBuT3LnZ2dnUU7-XkAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#546794
On 1/20/16 1:34 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
> The "global average temperature" is all smoke and mirrors and meaningless.
>


   I asked Wolfram Alpha to plot the data.
> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+global+temperature+HadCRUT4GL


   A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say
> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/20/463709775/a-scorcher-2015-shatters-record-as-warmest-year-nasa-and-noaa-say

 > NASA is presenting the annual review of global average temperatures
 > in conjunction with NOAA, which says that not only did 2015 finish as
 > the warmest year on record, it did so by the widest margin ever –
 > nearly a third of one degree Fahrenheit warmer than 2014's average.
 >
 > In 2015, the average temperature on land and ocean surfaces around
 > the world was "1.62°F (0.90°C) above the 20th century average,"
 > according to NOAA.
 >
 > That makes 2015 the hottest since instrument records began being kept
 > in 1880, beating the record set in 2014 by 0.29°F (0.16°C).
 >
 > The Northern Hemisphere saw the biggest rise in land temperatures,
 > finishing 2.59 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than the 20th century
 > average.



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#546858

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-01-21 01:07 +0000
Message-ID<5kn5nc-s9e.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#546848
Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/20/16 1:34 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>> The "global average temperature" is all smoke and mirrors and meaningless.
>>
> 
> 
>   I asked Wolfram Alpha to plot the data.
>> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+global+temperature+HadCRUT4GL

So what?

A plot of meaningless data is still meaningless.

A more meaningful plot would be your number of copyright violations
on a monthly basis.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#547528

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-23 10:42 -0600
Message-ID<VIadndf8q_z2MD7LnZ2dnUU7-QednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#546858
On 1/20/16 7:07 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> A more meaningful plot would be your number of copyright violations
> on a monthly basis.



   Now, now, jimp, you're obsessive nature is outta control, and your
   absolute contempt and total disgust are addressed in these Anger
   Management classes. You, jimp, need these services:
 > http://yellowpages.com/rancho-cucamonga-ca/anger-management-classes


A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say
> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/20/463709775/a-scorcher-2015-shatters-record-as-warmest-year-nasa-and-noaa-say

 > NASA is presenting the annual review of global average temperatures
 > in conjunction with NOAA, which says that not only did 2015 finish as
 > the warmest year on record, it did so by the widest margin ever –
 > nearly a third of one degree Fahrenheit warmer than 2014's average.
 >
 > In 2015, the average temperature on land and ocean surfaces around
 > the world was "1.62°F (0.90°C) above the 20th century average,"
 > according to NOAA.
 >
 > That makes 2015 the hottest since instrument records began being kept
 > in 1880, beating the record set in 2014 by 0.29°F (0.16°C).
 >
 > The Northern Hemisphere saw the biggest rise in land temperatures,
 > finishing 2.59 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than the 20th century
 > average.

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#547591

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-01-23 19:00 +0000
Message-ID<p6vcnc-j29.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#547528
Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/20/16 7:07 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> A more meaningful plot would be your number of copyright violations
>> on a monthly basis.
> 
> 
> 
>   Now, now, jimp, you're obsessive nature is outta control, and your

What makes you think you are so special you are exempt from copyrights?



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#547602

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-23 13:11 -0600
Message-ID<OYCdnYLlVPbDTT7LnZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#547591
On 1/23/16 1:00 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> What makes you think you are so special you are exempt from copyrights?


   Now, now, jimp, you're obsessive nature is outta control, and your
   absolute contempt and total disgust are addressed in these Anger
   Management classes. You, jimp, need these services:
 > http://yellowpages.com/rancho-cucamonga-ca/anger-management-classes


A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say
 > 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/20/463709775/a-scorcher-2015-shatters-record-as-warmest-year-nasa-and-noaa-say

 > NASA is presenting the annual review of global average temperatures
 > in conjunction with NOAA, which says that not only did 2015 finish as
 > the warmest year on record, it did so by the widest margin ever –
 > nearly a third of one degree Fahrenheit warmer than 2014's average.
 >
 > In 2015, the average temperature on land and ocean surfaces around
 > the world was "1.62°F (0.90°C) above the 20th century average,"
 > according to NOAA.
 >
 > That makes 2015 the hottest since instrument records began being kept
 > in 1880, beating the record set in 2014 by 0.29°F (0.16°C).
 >
 > The Northern Hemisphere saw the biggest rise in land temperatures,
 > finishing 2.59 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than the 20th century
 > average.

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#546867

FromGogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-20 17:30 -0800
Message-ID<5443c40a-5cee-439d-8b6a-7ff22726a08e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#546794
On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 1:46:07 PM UTC-6, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> > A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say
> >> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/20/463709775/a-scorcher-2015-shatters-record-as-warmest-year-nasa-and-noaa-say
> > 
> > 
> >> NASA is presenting the annual review of global average temperatures
> >> in conjunction with NOAA, which says that not only did 2015 finish as
> >> the warmest year on record, it did so by the widest margin ever ?
> >> nearly a third of one degree Fahrenheit warmer than 2014's average.
> >>
> >> In 2015, the average temperature on land and ocean surfaces around
> >> the world was "1.62?F (0.90?C) above the 20th century average,"
> >> according to NOAA.
> >>
> >> That makes 2015 the hottest since instrument records began being kept
> >> in 1880, beating the record set in 2014 by 0.29?F (0.16?C).
> >>
> >> The Northern Hemisphere saw the biggest rise in land temperatures,
> >> finishing 2.59 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than the 20th century
> >> average.
>  
> The "global average temperature" is all smoke and mirrors and meaningless.
> 
>  
> 
> -- 
> Jim Pennino

Maybe, we just haven't invented the instrument yet?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

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#546869

FromGogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-20 17:39 -0800
Message-ID<b6ad14ab-39ea-4ac4-bffe-106c4adcdb5a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#546867
On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 7:30:27 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 1:46:07 PM UTC-6, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say
> > >> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/20/463709775/a-scorcher-2015-shatters-record-as-warmest-year-nasa-and-noaa-say
> > > 
> > > 
> > >> NASA is presenting the annual review of global average temperatures
> > >> in conjunction with NOAA, which says that not only did 2015 finish as
> > >> the warmest year on record, it did so by the widest margin ever ?
> > >> nearly a third of one degree Fahrenheit warmer than 2014's average.
> > >>
> > >> In 2015, the average temperature on land and ocean surfaces around
> > >> the world was "1.62?F (0.90?C) above the 20th century average,"
> > >> according to NOAA.
> > >>
> > >> That makes 2015 the hottest since instrument records began being kept
> > >> in 1880, beating the record set in 2014 by 0.29?F (0.16?C).
> > >>
> > >> The Northern Hemisphere saw the biggest rise in land temperatures,
> > >> finishing 2.59 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than the 20th century
> > >> average.
> >  
> > The "global average temperature" is all smoke and mirrors and meaningless.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jim Pennino
> 
> Maybe, we just haven't invented the instrument yet?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

I guess I will have to ask- what is the range inside which propagates the human most?

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#546874

FromR Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com>
Date2016-01-21 01:41 +0000
Message-ID<n7pd00$736$1@odin.sdf-eu.org>
In reply to#546869
GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 7:30:27 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 1:46:07 PM UTC-6, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> > Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say
>> > >> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/20/463709775/a-scorcher-2015-shatters-record-as-warmest-year-nasa-and-noaa-say
>> > >> NASA is presenting the annual review of global average temperatures
>> > >> in conjunction with NOAA, which says that not only did 2015 finish as
>> > >> the warmest year on record, it did so by the widest margin ever ?
>> > >> nearly a third of one degree Fahrenheit warmer than 2014's average.
>> > >> In 2015, the average temperature on land and ocean surfaces around
>> > >> the world was "1.62?F (0.90?C) above the 20th century average,"
>> > >> according to NOAA.
>> > >> That makes 2015 the hottest since instrument records began being kept
>> > >> in 1880, beating the record set in 2014 by 0.29?F (0.16?C).
>> > >> The Northern Hemisphere saw the biggest rise in land temperatures,
>> > >> finishing 2.59 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than the 20th century
>> > >> average.
>> > The "global average temperature" is all smoke and mirrors and meaningless.
>> > -- 
>> > Jim Pennino
>> Maybe, we just haven't invented the instrument yet?
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
> I guess I will have to ask- what is the range inside which propagates the human most?


The max human population clusters around 45N that has an avg temp
of ~17C (or maybe ~18C in C21).

It's also found at least in Europe that the minimum death rate
occurs ~17C.

--
[W]ith the publication of Marvel et al (2015) (and also 
Shindell (2014)), the reason for the outlier results in Otto et al and 
similar papers has become much clearer. And once those reasons are taken 
into account, those results no longer look like such outliers - reaffirming 
the previous consensus and reinforcing the idea that there really is a best 
estimate for the sensitivity around 3?C. 
-- G Schmidt, Jan 2016
<http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2016/01/marvel-et-al-2015-
part-1-reconciling-estimates-of-climate-sensitivity/>

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#546885

FromGogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-20 18:02 -0800
Message-ID<c4a5cee4-371b-471a-8a95-d12d9e63c7e6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#546874
On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 7:53:21 PM UTC-6, Kym Horsell wrote:
> GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 7:30:27 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 1:46:07 PM UTC-6, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> > Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say
> >> > >> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/20/463709775/a-scorcher-2015-shatters-record-as-warmest-year-nasa-and-noaa-say
> >> > >> NASA is presenting the annual review of global average temperatures
> >> > >> in conjunction with NOAA, which says that not only did 2015 finish as
> >> > >> the warmest year on record, it did so by the widest margin ever ?
> >> > >> nearly a third of one degree Fahrenheit warmer than 2014's average.
> >> > >> In 2015, the average temperature on land and ocean surfaces around
> >> > >> the world was "1.62?F (0.90?C) above the 20th century average,"
> >> > >> according to NOAA.
> >> > >> That makes 2015 the hottest since instrument records began being kept
> >> > >> in 1880, beating the record set in 2014 by 0.29?F (0.16?C).
> >> > >> The Northern Hemisphere saw the biggest rise in land temperatures,
> >> > >> finishing 2.59 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than the 20th century
> >> > >> average.
> >> > The "global average temperature" is all smoke and mirrors and meaningless.
> >> > -- 
> >> > Jim Pennino
> >> Maybe, we just haven't invented the instrument yet?
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
> > I guess I will have to ask- what is the range inside which propagates the human most?
> 
> 
> The max human population clusters around 45N that has an avg temp
> of ~17C (or maybe ~18C in C21).
> 
> It's also found at least in Europe that the minimum death rate
> occurs ~17C.
> 
> --
> [W]ith the publication of Marvel et al (2015) (and also 
> Shindell (2014)), the reason for the outlier results in Otto et al and 
> similar papers has become much clearer. And once those reasons are taken 
> into account, those results no longer look like such outliers - reaffirming 
> the previous consensus and reinforcing the idea that there really is a best 
> estimate for the sensitivity around 3?C. 
> -- G Schmidt, Jan 2016
> <http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2016/01/marvel-et-al-2015-
> part-1-reconciling-estimates-of-climate-sensitivity/>

I think this way all the time.  But, what would be our range of adaptability?

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#546887

FromGogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-20 18:05 -0800
Message-ID<01ba4b90-70d0-4fb1-8abf-454a2b586520@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#546885
On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 8:02:07 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 7:53:21 PM UTC-6, Kym Horsell wrote:
> > GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 7:30:27 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 1:46:07 PM UTC-6, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > >> > Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say
> > >> > >> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/20/463709775/a-scorcher-2015-shatters-record-as-warmest-year-nasa-and-noaa-say
> > >> > >> NASA is presenting the annual review of global average temperatures
> > >> > >> in conjunction with NOAA, which says that not only did 2015 finish as
> > >> > >> the warmest year on record, it did so by the widest margin ever ?
> > >> > >> nearly a third of one degree Fahrenheit warmer than 2014's average.
> > >> > >> In 2015, the average temperature on land and ocean surfaces around
> > >> > >> the world was "1.62?F (0.90?C) above the 20th century average,"
> > >> > >> according to NOAA.
> > >> > >> That makes 2015 the hottest since instrument records began being kept
> > >> > >> in 1880, beating the record set in 2014 by 0.29?F (0.16?C).
> > >> > >> The Northern Hemisphere saw the biggest rise in land temperatures,
> > >> > >> finishing 2.59 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than the 20th century
> > >> > >> average.
> > >> > The "global average temperature" is all smoke and mirrors and meaningless.
> > >> > -- 
> > >> > Jim Pennino
> > >> Maybe, we just haven't invented the instrument yet?
> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
> > > I guess I will have to ask- what is the range inside which propagates the human most?
> > 
> > 
> > The max human population clusters around 45N that has an avg temp
> > of ~17C (or maybe ~18C in C21).
> > 
> > It's also found at least in Europe that the minimum death rate
> > occurs ~17C.
> > 
> > --
> > [W]ith the publication of Marvel et al (2015) (and also 
> > Shindell (2014)), the reason for the outlier results in Otto et al and 
> > similar papers has become much clearer. And once those reasons are taken 
> > into account, those results no longer look like such outliers - reaffirming 
> > the previous consensus and reinforcing the idea that there really is a best 
> > estimate for the sensitivity around 3?C. 
> > -- G Schmidt, Jan 2016
> > <http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2016/01/marvel-et-al-2015-
> > part-1-reconciling-estimates-of-climate-sensitivity/>
> 
> I think this way all the time.  But, what would be our range of adaptability?

Right now, I'm just basically enjoying the great weather!

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#546888

FromGogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-20 18:11 -0800
Message-ID<37a112d3-a6a1-48c4-ac2b-00fd4d646229@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#546887
On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 8:05:34 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 8:02:07 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 7:53:21 PM UTC-6, Kym Horsell wrote:
> > > GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 7:30:27 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> > > >> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 1:46:07 PM UTC-6, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > > >> > Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say
> > > >> > >> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/20/463709775/a-scorcher-2015-shatters-record-as-warmest-year-nasa-and-noaa-say
> > > >> > >> NASA is presenting the annual review of global average temperatures
> > > >> > >> in conjunction with NOAA, which says that not only did 2015 finish as
> > > >> > >> the warmest year on record, it did so by the widest margin ever ?
> > > >> > >> nearly a third of one degree Fahrenheit warmer than 2014's average.
> > > >> > >> In 2015, the average temperature on land and ocean surfaces around
> > > >> > >> the world was "1.62?F (0.90?C) above the 20th century average,"
> > > >> > >> according to NOAA.
> > > >> > >> That makes 2015 the hottest since instrument records began being kept
> > > >> > >> in 1880, beating the record set in 2014 by 0.29?F (0.16?C).
> > > >> > >> The Northern Hemisphere saw the biggest rise in land temperatures,
> > > >> > >> finishing 2.59 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than the 20th century
> > > >> > >> average.
> > > >> > The "global average temperature" is all smoke and mirrors and meaningless.
> > > >> > -- 
> > > >> > Jim Pennino
> > > >> Maybe, we just haven't invented the instrument yet?
> > > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
> > > > I guess I will have to ask- what is the range inside which propagates the human most?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The max human population clusters around 45N that has an avg temp
> > > of ~17C (or maybe ~18C in C21).
> > > 
> > > It's also found at least in Europe that the minimum death rate
> > > occurs ~17C.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > [W]ith the publication of Marvel et al (2015) (and also 
> > > Shindell (2014)), the reason for the outlier results in Otto et al and 
> > > similar papers has become much clearer. And once those reasons are taken 
> > > into account, those results no longer look like such outliers - reaffirming 
> > > the previous consensus and reinforcing the idea that there really is a best 
> > > estimate for the sensitivity around 3?C. 
> > > -- G Schmidt, Jan 2016
> > > <http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2016/01/marvel-et-al-2015-
> > > part-1-reconciling-estimates-of-climate-sensitivity/>
> > 
> > I think this way all the time.  But, what would be our range of adaptability?
> 
> Right now, I'm just basically enjoying the great weather!

It might even finally be safe to say that it seems to indicate that every new year breaks a new record, globally.  We can say that in the last 50 years this is a noticeable trend. 
My question would be, if this is true, is the warming of the planet good or bad?

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#546889

FromGogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-20 18:18 -0800
Message-ID<b5fa834e-9f8d-4d26-9ae3-faac9d5cf1db@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#546888
On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 8:12:06 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 8:05:34 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 8:02:07 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 7:53:21 PM UTC-6, Kym Horsell wrote:
> > > > GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 7:30:27 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> > > > >> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 1:46:07 PM UTC-6, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > > > >> > Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > > A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say
> > > > >> > >> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/20/463709775/a-scorcher-2015-shatters-record-as-warmest-year-nasa-and-noaa-say
> > > > >> > >> NASA is presenting the annual review of global average temperatures
> > > > >> > >> in conjunction with NOAA, which says that not only did 2015 finish as
> > > > >> > >> the warmest year on record, it did so by the widest margin ever ?
> > > > >> > >> nearly a third of one degree Fahrenheit warmer than 2014's average.
> > > > >> > >> In 2015, the average temperature on land and ocean surfaces around
> > > > >> > >> the world was "1.62?F (0.90?C) above the 20th century average,"
> > > > >> > >> according to NOAA.
> > > > >> > >> That makes 2015 the hottest since instrument records began being kept
> > > > >> > >> in 1880, beating the record set in 2014 by 0.29?F (0.16?C).
> > > > >> > >> The Northern Hemisphere saw the biggest rise in land temperatures,
> > > > >> > >> finishing 2.59 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than the 20th century
> > > > >> > >> average.
> > > > >> > The "global average temperature" is all smoke and mirrors and meaningless.
> > > > >> > -- 
> > > > >> > Jim Pennino
> > > > >> Maybe, we just haven't invented the instrument yet?
> > > > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
> > > > > I guess I will have to ask- what is the range inside which propagates the human most?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The max human population clusters around 45N that has an avg temp
> > > > of ~17C (or maybe ~18C in C21).
> > > > 
> > > > It's also found at least in Europe that the minimum death rate
> > > > occurs ~17C.
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > [W]ith the publication of Marvel et al (2015) (and also 
> > > > Shindell (2014)), the reason for the outlier results in Otto et al and 
> > > > similar papers has become much clearer. And once those reasons are taken 
> > > > into account, those results no longer look like such outliers - reaffirming 
> > > > the previous consensus and reinforcing the idea that there really is a best 
> > > > estimate for the sensitivity around 3?C. 
> > > > -- G Schmidt, Jan 2016
> > > > <http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2016/01/marvel-et-al-2015-
> > > > part-1-reconciling-estimates-of-climate-sensitivity/>
> > > 
> > > I think this way all the time.  But, what would be our range of adaptability?
> > 
> > Right now, I'm just basically enjoying the great weather!
> 
> It might even finally be safe to say that it seems to indicate that every new year breaks a new record, globally.  We can say that in the last 50 years this is a noticeable trend. 
> My question would be, if this is true, is the warming of the planet good or bad?

I guess, as an evolutionary process- who says that we shouldn't be spewing CO2?

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#546891

FromGogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-20 18:21 -0800
Message-ID<f2640d94-1853-447b-baaa-4363ace34a15@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#546889
On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 8:18:58 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 8:12:06 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 8:05:34 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 8:02:07 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 7:53:21 PM UTC-6, Kym Horsell wrote:
> > > > > GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 7:30:27 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> > > > > >> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 1:46:07 PM UTC-6, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > > > > >> > Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> > > A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say
> > > > > >> > >> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/20/463709775/a-scorcher-2015-shatters-record-as-warmest-year-nasa-and-noaa-say
> > > > > >> > >> NASA is presenting the annual review of global average temperatures
> > > > > >> > >> in conjunction with NOAA, which says that not only did 2015 finish as
> > > > > >> > >> the warmest year on record, it did so by the widest margin ever ?
> > > > > >> > >> nearly a third of one degree Fahrenheit warmer than 2014's average.
> > > > > >> > >> In 2015, the average temperature on land and ocean surfaces around
> > > > > >> > >> the world was "1.62?F (0.90?C) above the 20th century average,"
> > > > > >> > >> according to NOAA.
> > > > > >> > >> That makes 2015 the hottest since instrument records began being kept
> > > > > >> > >> in 1880, beating the record set in 2014 by 0.29?F (0.16?C).
> > > > > >> > >> The Northern Hemisphere saw the biggest rise in land temperatures,
> > > > > >> > >> finishing 2.59 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than the 20th century
> > > > > >> > >> average.
> > > > > >> > The "global average temperature" is all smoke and mirrors and meaningless.
> > > > > >> > -- 
> > > > > >> > Jim Pennino
> > > > > >> Maybe, we just haven't invented the instrument yet?
> > > > > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
> > > > > > I guess I will have to ask- what is the range inside which propagates the human most?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The max human population clusters around 45N that has an avg temp
> > > > > of ~17C (or maybe ~18C in C21).
> > > > > 
> > > > > It's also found at least in Europe that the minimum death rate
> > > > > occurs ~17C.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --
> > > > > [W]ith the publication of Marvel et al (2015) (and also 
> > > > > Shindell (2014)), the reason for the outlier results in Otto et al and 
> > > > > similar papers has become much clearer. And once those reasons are taken 
> > > > > into account, those results no longer look like such outliers - reaffirming 
> > > > > the previous consensus and reinforcing the idea that there really is a best 
> > > > > estimate for the sensitivity around 3?C. 
> > > > > -- G Schmidt, Jan 2016
> > > > > <http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2016/01/marvel-et-al-2015-
> > > > > part-1-reconciling-estimates-of-climate-sensitivity/>
> > > > 
> > > > I think this way all the time.  But, what would be our range of adaptability?
> > > 
> > > Right now, I'm just basically enjoying the great weather!
> > 
> > It might even finally be safe to say that it seems to indicate that every new year breaks a new record, globally.  We can say that in the last 50 years this is a noticeable trend. 
> > My question would be, if this is true, is the warming of the planet good or bad?
> 
> I guess, as an evolutionary process- who says that we shouldn't be spewing CO2?

I guess, what I am asking is- is there some IDEAL for the planet to behave?

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#546894

FromGogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-20 18:32 -0800
Message-ID<058ec7b2-027f-4681-a1b1-fd3c0a567735@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#546891
On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 8:21:22 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 8:18:58 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 8:12:06 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 8:05:34 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 8:02:07 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 7:53:21 PM UTC-6, Kym Horsell wrote:
> > > > > > GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 7:30:27 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> > > > > > >> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 1:46:07 PM UTC-6, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > > > > > >> > Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say
> > > > > > >> > >> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/20/463709775/a-scorcher-2015-shatters-record-as-warmest-year-nasa-and-noaa-say
> > > > > > >> > >> NASA is presenting the annual review of global average temperatures
> > > > > > >> > >> in conjunction with NOAA, which says that not only did 2015 finish as
> > > > > > >> > >> the warmest year on record, it did so by the widest margin ever ?
> > > > > > >> > >> nearly a third of one degree Fahrenheit warmer than 2014's average.
> > > > > > >> > >> In 2015, the average temperature on land and ocean surfaces around
> > > > > > >> > >> the world was "1.62?F (0.90?C) above the 20th century average,"
> > > > > > >> > >> according to NOAA.
> > > > > > >> > >> That makes 2015 the hottest since instrument records began being kept
> > > > > > >> > >> in 1880, beating the record set in 2014 by 0.29?F (0.16?C).
> > > > > > >> > >> The Northern Hemisphere saw the biggest rise in land temperatures,
> > > > > > >> > >> finishing 2.59 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than the 20th century
> > > > > > >> > >> average.
> > > > > > >> > The "global average temperature" is all smoke and mirrors and meaningless.
> > > > > > >> > -- 
> > > > > > >> > Jim Pennino
> > > > > > >> Maybe, we just haven't invented the instrument yet?
> > > > > > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
> > > > > > > I guess I will have to ask- what is the range inside which propagates the human most?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The max human population clusters around 45N that has an avg temp
> > > > > > of ~17C (or maybe ~18C in C21).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It's also found at least in Europe that the minimum death rate
> > > > > > occurs ~17C.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > [W]ith the publication of Marvel et al (2015) (and also 
> > > > > > Shindell (2014)), the reason for the outlier results in Otto et al and 
> > > > > > similar papers has become much clearer. And once those reasons are taken 
> > > > > > into account, those results no longer look like such outliers - reaffirming 
> > > > > > the previous consensus and reinforcing the idea that there really is a best 
> > > > > > estimate for the sensitivity around 3?C. 
> > > > > > -- G Schmidt, Jan 2016
> > > > > > <http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2016/01/marvel-et-al-2015-
> > > > > > part-1-reconciling-estimates-of-climate-sensitivity/>
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think this way all the time.  But, what would be our range of adaptability?
> > > > 
> > > > Right now, I'm just basically enjoying the great weather!
> > > 
> > > It might even finally be safe to say that it seems to indicate that every new year breaks a new record, globally.  We can say that in the last 50 years this is a noticeable trend. 
> > > My question would be, if this is true, is the warming of the planet good or bad?
> > 
> > I guess, as an evolutionary process- who says that we shouldn't be spewing CO2?
> 
> I guess, what I am asking is- is there some IDEAL for the planet to behave?

Should our IDEAL be the status quo?

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#546895

FromR Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com>
Date2016-01-21 02:21 +0000
Message-ID<n7pfbv$19f$2@odin.sdf-eu.org>
In reply to#546885
GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 7:53:21 PM UTC-6, Kym Horsell wrote:
>> GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 7:30:27 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 1:46:07 PM UTC-6, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> >> > Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say
>> >> > >> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/20/463709775/a-scorcher-2015-shatters-record-as-warmest-year-nasa-and-noaa-say
>> >> > >> NASA is presenting the annual review of global average temperatures
>> >> > >> in conjunction with NOAA, which says that not only did 2015 finish as
>> >> > >> the warmest year on record, it did so by the widest margin ever ?
>> >> > >> nearly a third of one degree Fahrenheit warmer than 2014's average.
>> >> > >> In 2015, the average temperature on land and ocean surfaces around
>> >> > >> the world was "1.62?F (0.90?C) above the 20th century average,"
>> >> > >> according to NOAA.
>> >> > >> That makes 2015 the hottest since instrument records began being kept
>> >> > >> in 1880, beating the record set in 2014 by 0.29?F (0.16?C).
>> >> > >> The Northern Hemisphere saw the biggest rise in land temperatures,
>> >> > >> finishing 2.59 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than the 20th century
>> >> > >> average.
>> >> > The "global average temperature" is all smoke and mirrors and meaningless.
>> >> > -- 
>> >> > Jim Pennino
>> >> Maybe, we just haven't invented the instrument yet?
>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
>> > I guess I will have to ask- what is the range inside which propagates the human most?
>> The max human population clusters around 45N that has an avg temp
>> of ~17C (or maybe ~18C in C21).
>> It's also found at least in Europe that the minimum death rate
>> occurs ~17C.
>> --
>> [W]ith the publication of Marvel et al (2015) (and also 
>> Shindell (2014)), the reason for the outlier results in Otto et al and 
>> similar papers has become much clearer. And once those reasons are taken 
>> into account, those results no longer look like such outliers - reaffirming 
>> the previous consensus and reinforcing the idea that there really is a best 
>> estimate for the sensitivity around 3?C. 
>> -- G Schmidt, Jan 2016
>> <http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2016/01/marvel-et-al-2015-
>> part-1-reconciling-estimates-of-climate-sensitivity/>
> I think this way all the time.  But, what would be our range of adaptability?


That depends on what kind of death rate and equilibrium population level
you wish to tolerate.

Look at the population distribution by latitude. It trails off
pretty sharpish +-20 deg from the peak.

According to BYU's table of lat by temp 15 deg == ~3C in avg temp.

A 3C change according to Huyen et al (below) might be responsible
for an ~40% increase in death rate from respiratory problems
(if +3C) or ~15% (if -3C).

--
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1240305/
Huyen, Martens, Schrem, Wijenberg, Kunst
May 2001

The impact of heat waves and cold spells on mortality rates in the Dutch 
population.

"....optimum temperature value 
(e.g., average temperature with lowest mortality rate) of 16.5 ..."

"For temperatures above the optimum, mortality increased by 
0.47, 1.86, 12.82, and 2.72% 
for malignant neoplasms, 
cardiovascular disease, 
respiratory diseases, 		<--- the big one
and total mortality, respectively, for each degree Celsius increase above 
the optimum in the preceding month. "

"For temperatures below the optimum, mortality increased 
0.22, 1.69, 5.15, and 1.37%, respectively, 
for each degree Celsius decrease below the optimum in the preceding month."

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#546896

FromGogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-20 18:39 -0800
Message-ID<c9f4895b-f1c0-4308-b081-9f64d1d77f98@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#546895
On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 8:33:22 PM UTC-6, Kym Horsell wrote:
> GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 7:53:21 PM UTC-6, Kym Horsell wrote:
> >> GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 7:30:27 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> >> >> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 1:46:07 PM UTC-6, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> >> > Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > > A 'Scorcher': 2015 Shatters Record As Warmest Year, NASA And NOAA Say
> >> >> > >> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/20/463709775/a-scorcher-2015-shatters-record-as-warmest-year-nasa-and-noaa-say
> >> >> > >> NASA is presenting the annual review of global average temperatures
> >> >> > >> in conjunction with NOAA, which says that not only did 2015 finish as
> >> >> > >> the warmest year on record, it did so by the widest margin ever ?
> >> >> > >> nearly a third of one degree Fahrenheit warmer than 2014's average.
> >> >> > >> In 2015, the average temperature on land and ocean surfaces around
> >> >> > >> the world was "1.62?F (0.90?C) above the 20th century average,"
> >> >> > >> according to NOAA.
> >> >> > >> That makes 2015 the hottest since instrument records began being kept
> >> >> > >> in 1880, beating the record set in 2014 by 0.29?F (0.16?C).
> >> >> > >> The Northern Hemisphere saw the biggest rise in land temperatures,
> >> >> > >> finishing 2.59 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than the 20th century
> >> >> > >> average.
> >> >> > The "global average temperature" is all smoke and mirrors and meaningless.
> >> >> > -- 
> >> >> > Jim Pennino
> >> >> Maybe, we just haven't invented the instrument yet?
> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
> >> > I guess I will have to ask- what is the range inside which propagates the human most?
> >> The max human population clusters around 45N that has an avg temp
> >> of ~17C (or maybe ~18C in C21).
> >> It's also found at least in Europe that the minimum death rate
> >> occurs ~17C.
> >> --
> >> [W]ith the publication of Marvel et al (2015) (and also 
> >> Shindell (2014)), the reason for the outlier results in Otto et al and 
> >> similar papers has become much clearer. And once those reasons are taken 
> >> into account, those results no longer look like such outliers - reaffirming 
> >> the previous consensus and reinforcing the idea that there really is a best 
> >> estimate for the sensitivity around 3?C. 
> >> -- G Schmidt, Jan 2016
> >> <http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2016/01/marvel-et-al-2015-
> >> part-1-reconciling-estimates-of-climate-sensitivity/>
> > I think this way all the time.  But, what would be our range of adaptability?
> 
> 
> That depends on what kind of death rate and equilibrium population level
> you wish to tolerate.
> 
> Look at the population distribution by latitude. It trails off
> pretty sharpish +-20 deg from the peak.
> 
> According to BYU's table of lat by temp 15 deg == ~3C in avg temp.
> 
> A 3C change according to Huyen et al (below) might be responsible
> for an ~40% increase in death rate from respiratory problems
> (if +3C) or ~15% (if -3C).
> 
> --
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1240305/
> Huyen, Martens, Schrem, Wijenberg, Kunst
> May 2001
> 
> The impact of heat waves and cold spells on mortality rates in the Dutch 
> population.
> 
> "....optimum temperature value 
> (e.g., average temperature with lowest mortality rate) of 16.5 ..."
> 
> "For temperatures above the optimum, mortality increased by 
> 0.47, 1.86, 12.82, and 2.72% 
> for malignant neoplasms, 
> cardiovascular disease, 
> respiratory diseases, 		<--- the big one
> and total mortality, respectively, for each degree Celsius increase above 
> the optimum in the preceding month. "
> 
> "For temperatures below the optimum, mortality increased 
> 0.22, 1.69, 5.15, and 1.37%, respectively, 
> for each degree Celsius decrease below the optimum in the preceding month."


This is fascinating information.  Makes us extremely vulnerable huh?

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#546899

FromR Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com>
Date2016-01-21 02:50 +0000
Message-ID<n7ph0p$ree$1@odin.sdf-eu.org>
In reply to#546896
GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> wrote:
...
> This is fascinating information.  Makes us extremely vulnerable huh?


Some people argue that life is a pehnomenon that happens at the edge of chaos,
and species diversity is max near the border of different climatic
regimes.

Or as they say in Brazil, a man with life insurance is already dead.

--
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The cities of Foshan and Yunfu are jumping into the lead with a $17 mn 
order for 300 fuel cell electric buses, just announced by the ...

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#547097

FromGogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-21 18:27 -0800
Message-ID<e329c869-b5d3-40a0-8979-768f5bd4d795@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#546899
On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 9:03:23 PM UTC-6, Kym Horsell wrote:
> GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ...
> > This is fascinating information.  Makes us extremely vulnerable huh?
> 
> 
> Some people argue that life is a pehnomenon that happens at the edge of chaos,
> and species diversity is max near the border of different climatic
> regimes.
> 
> Or as they say in Brazil, a man with life insurance is already dead.
> 
> --
> Boom! China Adds 333 Fuel Cell Electric Buses
> CleanTechnica-29Sep.,2015
> The cities of Foshan and Yunfu are jumping into the lead with a $17 mn 
> order for 300 fuel cell electric buses, just announced by the ...

Why can't we keep talking like this way- everything doesn't have to be a secret.

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