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| Started by | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| First post | 2016-10-11 03:59 +0000 |
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Re: Leathal Doctors. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-11 03:59 +0000
Re: Leathal Doctors. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 05:16 -0700
Re: Leathal Doctors. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-10-11 08:39 -0700
Re: Leathal Doctors. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 08:54 -0700
Re: Leathal Doctors. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-10-11 09:34 -0700
Re: Leathal Doctors. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 10:04 -0700
Re: Leathal Doctors. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-10-11 13:52 -0700
Re: Leathal Doctors. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 14:33 -0700
Re: Leathal Doctors. THE STINGER - AKA 'KING OF AUK' <bzz.bzz.bzz@sting.sting.sting> - 2016-10-12 00:28 +0200
Re: Leathal Doctors. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-11 20:58 -0500
Re: Leathal Doctors. "Anon Y. Mouse" <nobody@home.invalid> - 2016-10-12 01:23 -0400
Re: Leathal Doctors. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-10-12 08:50 -0700
Re: Leathal Doctors. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-10-11 18:41 -0400
Re: Leathal Doctors. "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 20:48 -0700
Re: Leathal Doctors. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-11 08:27 -0500
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-11 14:20 +0000
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 07:51 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-11 15:35 +0000
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 15:16 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-11 23:14 +0000
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 17:33 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 17:39 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-12 02:47 +0000
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 20:29 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-12 13:50 +0000
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 07:08 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 07:57 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 08:17 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 08:52 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 09:56 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 11:29 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 01:20 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-10-13 20:16 -0400
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 19:50 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-12 20:26 +0000
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 13:36 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-13 15:29 +0000
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 09:10 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-13 18:36 +0000
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 11:56 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 14:42 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-14 03:41 +0000
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 23:54 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-14 15:42 +0000
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 09:17 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 13:14 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 11:07 -0500
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 10:27 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 10:30 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 12:49 -0500
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 11:04 -0700
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 13:25 -0500
Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-12 02:40 +0000
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 03:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Leathal Doctors. |
| Message-ID | <ntho2m$lpd$2@pcls7.std.com> |
Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> writes: >Doctors can _shorten_ your life, I think. > The type of cancer Job's had was of the hormone > producing cells of the pancreas, which has a life > expectancy of 3 to 6 months, on average. Jobs actually had a rare form of pancreatic cancer that, unlike most pancreatic cancers, is treatable. However, Jobs decided to try natural cures such as herbal remedies and acupuncture, instead of chemotherapy or surgery, for months. The cancer worsened. Many believe this likely shortened his life.
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 05:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <69042bb8-0c94-4e88-9e2b-25c974277a72@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600357 |
Michael Moroney Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> writes: >Doctors can _shorten_ your life, I think. > The type of cancer Job's had was of the hormone > producing cells of the pancreas, which has a life > expectancy of 3 to 6 months, on average. Jobs actually had a rare form of pancreatic cancer that, unlike most pancreatic cancers, is treatable. However, Jobs decided to try natural cures such as herbal remedies and acupuncture, instead of chemotherapy or surgery, for months. The cancer worsened. Many believe this likely shortened his life. ------- When the doctor told me I had cancer he was SO nervous. I had to calm him down a bit. My cancer is a rare form of skin cancer. 1 out of 100,000 rare. But he told me that despite the aggressive and late stage nature of it, there was an excellent chance of beating it. I then went on to consult 3 other doctors including two oncology doctors and my friend/family doctor who I had for over 30 years. I asked him straight up... If I did nothing, how long would I have to live. He said MAYBE 6 months? So for me there was really no choice. Get slammed with both barrels and heavy doses of radiation and chemo... Or die. There were times when I was dry heaving so hard that my toes would curl and I wanted die. But I figured if old people could go through this, so could I. Again. I took the position that this cancer was ISIS and me and my team of special operators would defeat it using our superior technology and nuke the shit out of it. It helped me through my darkest hours. The cancer was trying to take me from my children and the girl I love. I HAD TO FIGHT IT!
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| From | "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 08:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ntj14c$2f6t$1@adenine.netfront.net> |
| In reply to | #600387 |
Harlow Campbell "HVAC" <mr.hvac@gmail.com> wrote: Michael Moroney wrote: <see prior posts in thread> Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> writes: <see prior posts in thread> Harlow wrote: When the doctor told me I had cancer he was SO nervous. I had to calm him down a bit. My cancer is a rare form of skin cancer. But he told me that despite the aggressive and late stage nature of it, there was an excellent chance of beating it. I then went on to consult 3 other doctors including two oncology doctors and my friend/family doctor who I had for over 30 years. I asked him straight up... If I did nothing, how long would I have to live. He said MAYBE 6 months? So for me there was really no choice. Get slammed with both barrels and heavy doses of radiation and chemo... Or die. There were times when I was dry heaving so hard that my toes would curl and I wanted die. But I figured if old people could go through this, so could I. Again. I took the position that this cancer was ISIS and me and my team of special operators would defeat it using our superior technology and nuke the shit out of it. It helped me through my darkest hours. The cancer was trying to take me from my children and the girl I love. I HAD TO FIGHT IT! > "john" <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: In the future they will marvel that people would irradiate themselves, poison themselves and have pieces permanently removed from their bodies, rather than change their diet. ---------- > hanson wrote: Sefton, WTF are you yelping about again.... So how can a change in diet change the marveling of billions of Abrahamic Cultists change their idiotic habit of mutilating their newborn boys by "having pieces permanently removed from their bodies, such as their foreskins?... sheesh... > > Harlow wrote: There is nothing that indicates my cancer came from not eating vegan. And I had decided not to do chemo and radiation, I'd be suffering right now from this aggressive cancer and dead in a couple months. I heard from all manner of people on their opinion on how to treat cancer. Some said I should smoke massive amounts of weed. Others like you said go vegan. I listened to the advice of four people with doctorate degree in various fields of medicine. They laid out a course of action that they felt gave me the best chance to live another 20+ years. I took their advice. I suffered through going to radiation EVERY SINGLE DAY for 7 weeks. I ensured the heavy doses of chemo they gave me due to the aggressive and late stage nature of my cancer. This left me with a burned out throat and so sick to my stomach I was in the hospital for 24 of 30 days. It's the hardest thing I've ever endured. And guess what? In two months when they do a follow up PET scan, it may show the cancer is still active and I'll have to undergo treatment all over again. I have no illusions. When I went to the emergency room last time after non stop dry heaving for 24 hours, I had them put my status as DNR. Can you guess what that means? But as I sit here today, peg tube in my stomach, picc line in my right bicep, I am happy. Yep happy. Nothing anyone can do can stop me from being happy. Who all here can say the same? They had me on phentnyl patches, morphine and Dilaudid. It was fun for a while in the hospital but I was all fucked up. I stopped all pain meds. I'll deal with the pain. It does hurt. But I'll deal > hanson wrote: Now, Harlow, in your pre-op days you mention that your back or spine was fucked up due to your past lifestyle. > So, did your current loss of 40 lbs body weight heal or at least ameliorate your back problem. > Also since you were for months on intravenous feeding & a peg tube in you stomach, how did that no fiber/roughage nutrition affect you fecal elimination? Did the tiny black turdlets irritate your Sigmoid or Sphincter, so that Enemas or Fleets were need? --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 08:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b48cba0c-40d5-4d49-a9db-dee5482b291a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600407 |
Hanson Also since you were for months on intravenous feeding & a peg tube in you stomach, how did that no fiber/roughage nutrition affect you fecal elimination? Did the tiny black turdlets irritate your Sigmoid or Sphincter, so that Enemas or Fleets were need? ---------- It's not IV feeding. It's a tube into my stomach. About 3" over my belly button. Since I quit their heavy pain killers, I have no problem with constipation. That's important in ridding myself of the radiation and chemo toxins. I tried to eat soup yesterday but too early. Once I can eat, I will be free
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| From | "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 09:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ntj4ak$rhl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #600409 |
Harlow Campbell "HVAC" <mr.hvac@gmail.com> wrote: > Hanson wrote: Also since you were for months on intravenous feeding & **a peg tube in your stomach**, how did that no fiber/roughage nutrition affect you fecal elimination? Did the tiny black turdlets irritate your Sigmoid or Sphincter, so that Enemas or Fleets were need? ---------- > Harlow wrote: It's not IV feeding. It's a tube into my stomach. About 3" over my belly button. Since I quit their heavy pain killers, I have no problem with constipation. That's important in ridding myself of the radiation and chemo toxins. I tried to eat soup yesterday but too early. Once I can eat, I will be free. > hanson wrote: I love your attitude and fighting spirit. Hurrah, Harlow! > Now go and kick ass of john Sefton, Double-Asshole, Pig-shit-Anon-Yidd Mouse & Full Swine Glazier who wants to shit into your mouth, and can't bring himself to say, that "Glazier made a wrong prediction". Go sic'em Harlow, so that we'll have some pizzazz and fun back in s.p. again.... ahahahahanson
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 10:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <523d714e-24e8-4315-95a2-944db03c28e8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600411 |
> hanson wrote: I love your attitude and fighting spirit. Hurrah, Harlow! > Now go and kick ass of john Sefton, Double-Asshole, Pig-shit-Anon-Yidd Mouse & Full Swine Glazier who wants to shit into your mouth, and can't bring himself to say, that "Glazier made a wrong prediction". Go sic'em Harlow, so that we'll have some pizzazz and fun back in s.p. again.... ahahahahanson ---------- First of all, I hate no one on this group. Having said that in no way will prevent me from speaking my mind and dishing my own existential take on physics, astrophysics, any science related topics, and the HVAC philosophy of life. Don't let the days go bye. Enjoy every day. Be happy
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| From | Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 13:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8c718506-3f08-41af-a7b2-e6e218271eb8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600414 |
On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 10:04:16 AM UTC-7, HVAC wrote: > > > hanson wrote: > I love your attitude and fighting spirit. Hurrah, Harlow! > > > Now go and kick ass of john Sefton, Double-Asshole, > Pig-shit-Anon-Yidd Mouse & Full Swine Glazier who > wants to shit into your mouth, and can't bring himself > to say, that "Glazier made a wrong prediction". > Go sic'em Harlow, so that we'll have some pizzazz > and fun back in s.p. again.... ahahahahanson > ---------- > > First of all, I hate no one on this group. Having said that in no way will prevent me from speaking my mind and dishing my own existential take on physics, astrophysics, any science related topics, and the HVAC philosophy of life. > > Don't let the days go bye. Enjoy every day. Be happy The only skin cancer I've heard of spreading is melanoma. Is that what you had? I had a basil cell carcinoma on my face a couple years ago. It grew for about 9 months before it was diagnosed. It was easily removed by a simple surgery in a doctor's office. I didn't have to go through all the discomfort you did. Double-A
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 14:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <cdeeba8e-ad7d-4c0f-a25d-7ffedccd3905@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600462 |
Double-A - show quoted text - The only skin cancer I've heard of spreading is melanoma. Is that what you had? I had a basil cell carcinoma on my face a couple years ago. It grew for about 9 months before it was diagnosed. It was easily removed by a simple surgery in a doctor's office. I didn't have to go through all the discomfort you did. Double-A ------- No. It was/is an extremey rare form of skin cancer. Picture it above the roof of your mouth. It had spread into my lymph nodes
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| From | THE STINGER - AKA 'KING OF AUK' <bzz.bzz.bzz@sting.sting.sting> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 00:28 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <7252cd86eef359596154e0d9ff78e919@dizum.com> |
| In reply to | #600462 |
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| From | Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 20:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ntk5c0$hk1$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #600414 |
On 10/11/2016 12:04 PM, HVAC wrote: >> > hanson wrote: I love your attitude and fighting spirit. Hurrah, > Harlow! >> > Now go and kick ass of john Sefton, Double-Asshole, > Pig-shit-Anon-Yidd Mouse & Full Swine Glazier who wants to shit into > your mouth, and can't bring himself to say, that "Glazier made a > wrong prediction". Go sic'em Harlow, so that we'll have some pizzazz > and fun back in s.p. again.... ahahahahanson ---------- > > First of all, I hate no one on this group. Having said that in no way > will prevent me from speaking my mind and dishing my own existential > take on physics, astrophysics, any science related topics, and the > HVAC philosophy of life. > > Don't let the days go bye. Enjoy every day. Be happy > Good News you got through all that, sounds like a tough one and you survived ! I have several friends that got cancer, some quick, some re-occured, some are gone, the wife is alive and 10 years now, some are sad brave stories, some amazing and great living a good life. At least they have the tools and techniques to "cure" a lot of them. Live life !
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| From | "Anon Y. Mouse" <nobody@home.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 01:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ntkh2s$tri$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #600411 |
On 10/11/2016 12:34 PM, hanson wrote: > Hanson wrote: > Also since you were for months on intravenous feeding & **a peg tube in > your stomach**, how did that no fiber/roughage nutrition affect you > fecal elimination? Did the tiny black turdlets irritate your Sigmoid or > Sphincter, so that Enemas or Fleets were need? oh dear. Not only is hanson trying to stick his face below squatting Glazier, he's now interested in lapping up some of HVAC's tiny black low-fiber IV-induced turdlets! Is there no end to hanson's madness?
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| From | "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 08:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ntlm4f$i6t$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #600544 |
Zio-Nazi & Full Swine "Anon Yidd. Mouse" <nobody@home.invalid> is stick his face below squatting Glazier, he's now interested in lapping up some Galzier turds and insists & says that > "I, Yidd Mouse, am Jewish when I am not" and "I wish that hanson is dead", in order to protect the Yidd Mouse's Slave master <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> who is <http://tinyurl.com/Glazier-the-Lying-Swine> that turned into the <http://tinyurl.com/Recalcitrant-Swine-Glazier> [1], under whose Sphincter Yidd Mouse greedily eats Glazier's turds: <http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8MGOU-CQAEaZw4.jpg>. > hanson wrote: So, Yidd Mouse, you stinky Zio-Sphincter licker how does Full Swine Glazier's "AA" "Asshole Aroma" taste today, you Shit-eating Pig.... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... > Yidd Mouse, you cowardly & Double-Shit faced Schmuck all your posts do show that you really only post to make sure that you cause ex-Hitler Youth Halbmutt Wabnigger, <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> who still lives in the bygone age of Morse-code communication, to write: ____ "Jews are a residue of failed evolution" _______ of which you, Pig-shit "Yidd Mouse", are a great example. > No offense, Pig-shit Yidd Mouse, you deranged Kike, have a great day and thanks for the laughs.... ROTFMAO > PS: Even Abner agrees with that, while you pray and hope that Cretin Glazier will come today & beg you to remain his Slave # =3= as is described and detailed in [1]
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 18:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <57fd6a8f$0$11974$b1db1813$145976f0@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #600409 |
On 10/11/2016 11:54 AM, HVAC wrote: > Hanson Also since you were for months on intravenous feeding & a peg > tube in you stomach, how did that no fiber/roughage nutrition affect > you fecal elimination? Did the tiny black turdlets irritate your > Sigmoid or Sphincter, so that Enemas or Fleets were need? ---------- > > It's not IV feeding. It's a tube into my stomach. About 3" over my > belly button. Since I quit their heavy pain killers, I have no > problem with constipation. That's important in ridding myself of the > radiation and chemo toxins. I tried to eat soup yesterday but too > early. Once I can eat, I will be free Opioid avoidance is a good plan. They essentially paralyze your gut and create major constipation as a result. Also in some people cause bad psychological reactions. Minimizing their use is always best if you can deal with the pain. No question HVAC can handle it! Americans have become such pain Wuses that doctors way over-prescribe opioids.
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| From | "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-14 20:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <37d6ba8f-bd55-4ec6-bd9d-4eef220faf4b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600387 |
On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 5:16:59 AM UTC-7, HVAC wrote: > I took the position that this cancer was ISIS and me and my team of special > operators would defeat it using our superior technology and nuke the shit out > of it. It helped me through my darkest hours. The cancer was trying to take me > from my children and the girl I love. I HAD TO FIGHT IT! Attitude apparently counts for a lot. Read much these days? Norman Spinrad's 1967 _Carcinoma Angels_ is based on medical anecdotes about that, and also will back up your attitude about painkillers. Mark L. Fergerson
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| From | Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 08:27 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ntipc0$5ib$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #600357 |
On 10/10/2016 10:59 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: > Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> writes: > >> Doctors can _shorten_ your life, I think. > >> The type of cancer Job's had was of the hormone >> producing cells of the pancreas, which has a life >> expectancy of 3 to 6 months, on average. > > Jobs actually had a rare form of pancreatic cancer that, unlike most > pancreatic cancers, is treatable. However, Jobs decided to try natural > cures such as herbal remedies and acupuncture, instead of chemotherapy > or surgery, for months. The cancer worsened. Many believe this likely > shortened his life. > same thing w Steve McQueen there are aggressive cancers out there, some only take a month or two, some 6 months, screen more often.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 14:20 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). |
| Message-ID | <ntisfn$9ec$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #600357 |
Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> writes: >> Jobs actually had a rare form of pancreatic cancer that, >> unlike most pancreatic cancers, is treatable. >> >> However, Jobs decided to try natural cures such as herbal remedies >> and acupuncture, instead of chemotherapy or surgery, for months. >> The cancer worsened. Many believe this likely shortened his life. >Steve Jobs' (rare) type of cancer grew very slowly; >most doctors say the 6 month delay didn't matter. Depends on the doctors. Some said that "led to an unnecessarily early death", one even said "he essentially committed suicide". >When his pancreas was removed, they found liver cancer. The cancer metastasized. You want to get rid of the cancer before it has a chance to do that, metastasized cancer destroys other organs (in Jobs' case his liver) and will kill you. >After the transplant, he lived 2 more years, as expected. >The required immune supression drugs can _cause_ cancer. Organ transplants have very bad side effects, largely from antirejection drugs. Something like a liver transplant is only done when the only alternative is death from a failed liver. >Basically, his liver ( and immune system ) failed. Caused by liver cancer. Caused by pancreatic cancer. >There are _plenty_ of unknowns, of course; >so I wonder if drugs might've harmed his liver. >
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 07:51 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). |
| Message-ID | <bb229012-eaaf-4344-9310-07f6579105f7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600396 |
Acupuncture and herbs. "Put those herbs on my twice-daily steak, please, Jeeves!" 'Studies show that people who eat too much meat are 20 percent more likely to develop cancer, especially if they eat a lot of red meat. Pancreatic cancer, in particular, has been linked to heavy meat consumption. Meat also contains lots of saturated fat and cholesterol, which can lead to heart disease.' Oh, no. Don't change your diet! It's a conspiracy!! We LOVE our cows to DEATH!!
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 15:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). |
| Message-ID | <ntj0sd$anl$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #600397 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Acupuncture and herbs. >"Put those herbs on >my twice-daily steak, please, Jeeves!" >'Studies show that people who eat too much meat are 20 percent more likely >to develop cancer, especially if they eat a lot of red meat. Pancreatic >cancer, in particular, has been linked to heavy meat consumption. >Meat also contains lots of saturated fat and cholesterol, which can lead >to heart disease.' >Oh, no. Don't change your diet! It's a >conspiracy!! We LOVE our cows to DEATH!! Jobs also went vegan for 9 months, John. His cancer got worse. I thought you said going vegan would cure cancer? It didn't work for Jobs!
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 15:16 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). |
| Message-ID | <36200141-3dfa-4b3d-8b43-448c96e891dd@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600405 |
M said "Jobs also went vegan for 9 months, John. His cancer got worse. I thought you said going ....' Yes, if done right
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 23:14 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). |
| Message-ID | <ntjrot$d0a$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #600478 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >M said >"Jobs also went vegan for 9 months, John. His cancer got worse. I thought >you said going ....' [ ... vegan would cure cancer? It didn't work for Jobs! ] (why the snippage?) >Yes, if done right Oh, I love it! "If done right"! So going vegan can never fail!! If someone goes vegan and the cancer mysteriously vanishes, that happened because the person went vegan, right? And if someone went vegan and the cancer raged out of control, it was because it wasn't "done right"!! Right, John? Sounds like a lot of religions. John, if you told a cancer sufferer that "going vegan" would cure their cancer, and they went 100% vegan instead of doing the chemo/radiation, and that person died a painful, miserable death as the cancer spread mercilessly, would you even feel any guilt at all?
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