Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).

From	moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ).
Date	2016-10-11 14:20 +0000
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Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> writes:

>> Jobs actually had a rare form of pancreatic cancer that, 
>> unlike most pancreatic cancers, is treatable.  
>> 
>> However, Jobs decided to try natural cures such as herbal remedies
>> and acupuncture, instead of chemotherapy or surgery, for months.
>> The cancer worsened.  Many believe this likely shortened his life.

>Steve Jobs' (rare) type of cancer grew very slowly;
>most doctors say the 6 month delay didn't matter.

Depends on the doctors. Some said that "led to an unnecessarily
early death", one even said "he essentially committed suicide".

>When his pancreas was removed, they found liver cancer.

The cancer metastasized.  You want to get rid of the cancer
before it has a chance to do that, metastasized cancer destroys
other organs (in Jobs' case his liver) and will kill you.

>After the transplant, he lived 2 more years, as expected.
>The required immune supression drugs can _cause_ cancer.

Organ transplants have very bad side effects, largely from
antirejection drugs.  Something like a liver transplant is
only done when the only alternative is death from a failed
liver.

>Basically, his liver ( and immune system ) failed.

Caused by liver cancer.
Caused by pancreatic cancer.

>There are _plenty_ of unknowns, of course;
>so I wonder if drugs might've harmed his liver.
>

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  Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-11 14:20 +0000
    Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 07:51 -0700
      Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-11 15:35 +0000
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          Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-11 23:14 +0000
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                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-12 02:47 +0000
                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 20:29 -0700
                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-12 13:50 +0000
                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 07:08 -0700
                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 07:57 -0700
                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 08:17 -0700
                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 08:52 -0700
                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 09:56 -0700
                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 11:29 -0700
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                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-12 20:26 +0000
                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 13:36 -0700
                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-13 15:29 +0000
                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 09:10 -0700
                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-13 18:36 +0000
                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 11:56 -0700
                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 14:42 -0700
                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-14 03:41 +0000
                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 23:54 -0700
                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-14 15:42 +0000
                Re: Steve Jobs' liver ( and immune system ). HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 09:17 -0700
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