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Vortices in the subfractal

Started byjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
First post2016-09-01 17:06 -0700
Last post2016-09-11 14:41 -0700
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  Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-01 17:06 -0700
    Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-02 01:56 +0000
      Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-01 21:26 -0700
        Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-01 21:48 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 04:44 -0700
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-02 13:46 +0000
              Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:47 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-02 07:02 -0700
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 08:08 -0700
              Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-02 11:17 -0700
              Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:53 -0700
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:48 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:40 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 10:06 -0500
        Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-02 13:40 +0000
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 08:18 -0700
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-02 17:04 +0000
              Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 15:15 -0700
                Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-03 04:13 +0000
                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 03:30 -0700
                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 08:03 -0700
                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-04 03:14 +0000
                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 20:39 -0700
                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 10:03 -0700
                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-05 13:26 -0700
                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-05 15:34 -0700
                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 10:30 -0500
                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:56 -0700
                Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 10:28 -0500
              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 10:23 -0500
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 12:23 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:45 -0700
        Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:36 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-05 12:40 -0700
      Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:34 -0700
      Re: Vortices in the subfractal HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 08:49 -0700
        Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 09:31 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 09:59 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 11:07 -0700
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 11:34 -0700
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 11:39 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 11:07 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-04 19:30 +0000
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 12:34 -0700
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 16:32 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-05 13:23 -0700
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-05 15:47 -0700
              Re: Vortices in the subfractal "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-09-05 16:26 -0700
              Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-06 09:32 -0700
                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 11:24 -0700
                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-07 13:23 +0000
                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 06:33 -0700
                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 07:41 -0700
                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 10:29 -0500
                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 08:59 -0700
                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 11:02 -0500
                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 11:03 -0500
                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 09:30 -0700
                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 09:33 -0700
                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-07 10:44 -0700
                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 15:21 -0700
                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 09:15 -0500
                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 07:39 -0700
                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 08:07 -0700
                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 10:20 -0500
                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-08 17:23 +0000
                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-08 11:08 -0700
                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-08 15:11 +0000
                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 10:16 -0500
                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 08:22 -0700
                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 08:38 -0700
                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 11:57 -0500
                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 11:55 -0500
                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-08 11:06 -0700
                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 14:20 -0700
                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 16:30 -0500
                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 14:57 -0700
                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 07:32 -0500
                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-09 17:33 -0400
                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 16:57 -0500
                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-09 20:00 -0400
                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 18:18 -0500
                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 22:05 -0400
                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 21:15 -0500
                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-13 02:52 +0000
                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 19:24 -0400
                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-13 23:54 +0000
                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 08:15 -0500
                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 23:19 -0400
                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 09:07 -0500
                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 19:31 -0400
                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-13 23:59 +0000
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 21:48 -0400
                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-14 05:14 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-15 17:50 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 00:53 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-15 21:54 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 04:16 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:00 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 21:41 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 20:57 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-17 01:48 +0000
                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-14 07:00 -0700
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Sergoi <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-14 12:10 -0500
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 14:35 -0700
                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 15:47 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 08:30 -0500
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 00:56 -0400
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 08:46 -0700
                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-19 06:04 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 06:21 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 06:32 -0700
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                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 07:39 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 15:40 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:32 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:33 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:41 -0500
                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 09:26 -0500
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 00:09 -0400
                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 18:19 -0500
                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 22:07 -0400
                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 21:16 -0500
                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 23:25 -0400
                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 09:09 -0500
                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 19:33 -0400
                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 09:29 -0500
                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-13 09:33 -0700
                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 20:18 -0400
                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-14 07:24 -0700
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 00:46 -0400
                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-09 20:12 -0700
                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 21:04 -0700
                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 21:48 -0400
                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 21:05 -0500
                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-13 09:02 -0700
                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-08 22:11 +0000
                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 15:41 -0700
                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-08 19:55 -0400
                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 07:35 -0500
                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 05:46 -0700
                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-09 13:36 +0000
                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 08:46 -0500
                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 06:54 -0700
                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 09:33 -0500
                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-09 17:45 -0400
                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 17:05 -0500
                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 15:24 -0700
                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-09 22:51 +0000
                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 16:09 -0700
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 06:15 -0500
                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 07:08 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 18:22 -0500
                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-09-15 23:26 -0700
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-10 14:04 +0000
                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 06:14 -0500
                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-09 20:15 -0400
                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 18:05 -0500
                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 16:12 -0700
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 18:26 -0500
                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 16:46 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 20:06 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 03:04 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-12 10:01 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 10:14 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-12 18:03 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 13:24 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-09-12 11:37 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 11:56 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 11:59 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 15:34 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-12 15:15 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 18:17 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 20:30 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 18:43 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 21:02 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-13 02:13 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-13 02:09 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 23:38 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-13 04:40 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 07:19 -0700
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                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-13 09:24 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 15:05 -0500
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                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-14 05:15 +0000
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                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 23:45 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 14:05 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 13:08 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 15:36 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 14:16 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 07:56 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-14 06:47 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 20:04 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-14 07:06 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 00:22 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-15 12:55 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 06:18 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 08:45 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-15 14:31 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 08:23 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 10:43 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 08:58 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 09:48 -0700
                                                                                                                                    tautochrononology noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 10:03 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 12:32 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 10:57 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 11:01 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 14:10 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 12:15 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 16:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 14:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 12:32 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 02:25 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-16 07:00 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 11:58 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 23:43 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 19:46 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 10:47 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-13 09:19 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 22:11 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 21:19 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 23:29 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 09:12 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 19:38 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 09:54 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 10:11 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 23:50 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-16 06:30 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-13 09:10 -0700
                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-09-15 23:12 -0700
                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 07:12 -0500
                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 05:51 -0700
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 08:32 -0500
                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 06:36 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 06:44 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 08:53 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal "Tim BandTech.com" <timgolden@bandtechnology.com> - 2016-09-22 20:15 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 15:58 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 08:51 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 06:56 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 07:05 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 09:49 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:25 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 08:10 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 11:51 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 12:12 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 00:33 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 18:20 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 13:59 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-19 06:19 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:19 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 06:30 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 08:33 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 13:00 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 06:37 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:46 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 16:08 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 09:35 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 19:39 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:42 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 07:42 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 08:27 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-22 15:28 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:59 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-22 19:14 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 12:57 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-23 07:42 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 09:53 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 08:13 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 17:04 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 18:09 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 19:10 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-24 15:12 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 08:20 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 08:28 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal "Tim BandTech.com" <timgolden@bandtechnology.com> - 2016-09-24 08:57 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:25 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-24 19:08 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:52 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-24 23:47 +0000
                                                                                                                              sh*t *p or p*t *p noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 10:26 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 02:30 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 06:25 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 10:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 14:37 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 08:01 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 14:38 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-29 01:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-29 03:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 11:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-29 12:01 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 14:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 15:07 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 17:10 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 13:55 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 08:00 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-28 23:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-29 11:50 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:24 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-24 19:05 +0000
                                                                                                                    spins in zpinz noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 16:07 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:18 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 08:07 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 15:54 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:41 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 08:54 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 09:44 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:23 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 16:01 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 09:54 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:26 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:20 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 08:10 -0500
                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:18 -0400
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 08:42 -0500
                                                                                Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:19 -0400
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 15:49 +0000
                                                                            Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:14 -0400
                                                                              Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 08:10 -0500
                                                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 11:22 -0500
                                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-09 10:38 -0700
                                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 07:34 -0500
                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-09 06:35 -0700
                                                    the little sEEds in that guy noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 13:37 -0700
                                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 13:07 -0700
                                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-09-16 13:20 -0700
                                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-08 09:03 -0700
                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 12:51 -0500
                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-07 18:57 +0000
                                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 12:29 -0500
                                    Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 10:40 -0700
                                      Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 13:09 -0500
                        Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-07 10:30 -0700
                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-07 10:26 -0700
        Re: Vortices in the subfractal Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 13:42 -0500
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 16:44 -0700
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 20:11 -0700
              Re: Vortices in the subfractal HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-09-05 07:33 -0700
              Re: Vortices in the subfractal HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-09-05 07:33 -0700
                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-05 08:15 -0700
                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-05 09:18 -0700
                Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-05 18:11 -0400
                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 12:41 -0700
    Re: Vortices in the subfractal Earle Jones27 <earle.jones@comcast.net> - 2016-09-09 22:49 -0700
      Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-10 14:08 +0000
        Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 07:43 -0700
          Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-10 21:09 +0000
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 15:48 -0700
            Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 15:56 -0700
              Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-10 23:56 +0000
                Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 06:59 -0700
                  Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-12 00:31 +0000
        Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 14:41 -0700

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#597040

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-09-15 14:31 +0000
Message-ID<nrebb4$h0e$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#597034
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> tarded:

>Michael
>The way you weed out "zero" as an answer
>is- USE YOUR FRICKING BRAIN
>you tard
>GEEZ!!!

Who is the tard here?  Certainly not me!

Once again you are trying to apply what is common sense applicable to
macroscopic things to where it doesn't apply, quantum physics.

There is a theory many scientists hold that the size of the electron is
zero.  So what do you do to see if that may be the case? You freaking
MEASURE it!  And that's what they did.  They did measure it, and got an
answer that it is extremely small, and zero falls within the error range.
That means the diameter COULD be zero, and the theory is not disproved.

That is science, John.  That is how science works.

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#597043

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-15 08:23 -0700
Message-ID<a68a8eef-58fe-44ce-8e6b-38d6644f0a9e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#597040
Michael
If you truly think that
points exist as entities,
then there is no hope.

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#597044

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-15 10:43 -0500
Message-ID<nrefj6$1acm$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#597043
On 9/15/2016 10:23 AM, john wrote:
> Michael
> If you truly think that
> points exist as entities,
> then there is no hope.
>

John, there is no rule that says point particles cannot exist. Nor can 
you point to any natural law that says they can't. You attempted some 
spluttering metaphysical babble that zero invalidates existence. You 
just believe that they don't exist, even though you cannot for the life 
of you account for WHY you think that, and then you take potshots at 
anyone else who does not share your unstructured thinking.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#597045

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-15 08:58 -0700
Message-ID<f4b7f4d2-990a-400f-ad4f-24e53c46bceb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#597044
Odd
Zero didn't even exist in Math until
quite late (2BC?).
It is your continued insistence on
importing it into some
cockamamie version of reality
that you can neither picture nor
model nor even explain without
making up new meanings for
words that is messing you up.
I'm just trying to help you, Odd-
I am not a professional. Perhaps 
you should consider that.
I mean, wtf, Odd?

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#597046

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-15 09:48 -0700
Message-ID<d7b4ec4b-5912-486d-ab45-0359d7a3148d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#597045
yes, but in hindsight it is a simple inductive pr00f,
which could easily be made deductive.

as for the Newtonian exemplar of infinitesimal rocks
o'light, that was just a big mistake, because
the rate of growth of the wavefront is in areal meters
per second per second

> Zero didn't even exist in Math until
> quite late (2BC?).
> It is your continued insistence on
> importing it into some
> cockamamie version of reality
> that you can neither picture nor
> model nor even explain without
> making up new meanings for
> words that is messing you up.
> I'm just trying to help you, Odd-
> I am not a professional. Perhaps 
> you should consider that.

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#597050 — tautochrononology

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-15 10:03 -0700
Subjecttautochrononology
Message-ID<0726553d-6e25-4384-ae8a-6307fae5e1eb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#597046
00ps, and he alleged that light waved faster,
in a denser medium, even though I suppose that
he had some sort of trajectory,
which was Liebniz' problem of the brachistochrone,
which was found to be the same as Huyghens' tautochrone

> the rate of growth of the wavefront is in areal meters
> per second per second
> 
> > Zero didn't even exist in Math until
> > quite late (2BC?).
> > It is your continued insistence on
> > importing it into some
> > cockamamie version of reality
> > that you can neither picture nor
> > model nor even explain without
> > making up new meanings for
> > words that is messing you up.
> > I'm just trying to help you, Odd-
> > I am not a professional. Perhaps 
> > you should consider that.

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#597062

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-15 12:32 -0500
Message-ID<nrelvk$1n9d$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#597045
On 9/15/2016 10:58 AM, john wrote:
> Odd
> Zero didn't even exist in Math until
> quite late (2BC?).

Neither did fractions or irrational numbers. This doesn't mean that the 
square root of two had no connection to reality.

Get it through your thick skull that human ideas have to evolve to catch 
up to reality, not the other way around. Ideas do not rule over reality. 
Reality corrects ideas.

> It is your continued insistence on
> importing it into some
> cockamamie version of reality
> that you can neither picture nor
> model nor even explain without
> making up new meanings for
> words that is messing you up.

New meanings for words is required by the fact that ideas have to catch 
up to reality. We discover things about reality that require new ideas 
(like point particles) and new words and new meanings for words (like 
spin and chromodynamics) because we DID NOT KNOW THESE THINGS about 
reality before.

You want things to be stable so that no new ideas, no new words, no new 
meanings, no new ways of explaining or modeling things should be needed. 
Sorry, but it's not like that, and you have to suck it up and be a man 
and accept these little uncomfortable facts.

> I'm just trying to help you, Odd-
> I am not a professional. Perhaps
> you should consider that.
> I mean, wtf, Odd?
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#597063

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-15 10:57 -0700
Message-ID<60b14716-a011-4ed3-a36b-0b9a8b6786dd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#597062
Odd
So what does "spin" mean in Physics?
(Answering what it doesn't mean
doesn't count.)

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#597064

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-15 11:01 -0700
Message-ID<6f69ca88-4d4d-4f0a-bebd-9f90d97fcba6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#597063
Never mind, Odd.
I know you have no definition of spin.

One of your problems is- 
YOU KEEP TRYING TO IMPORT ZERO
into a description of reality.
Reality IS, Odd. Not ISN'T.

And zero dimensions doesn't do "spin" well.
No matter what kind.

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#597069

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-15 14:10 -0500
Message-ID<nrernk$2jg$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#597064
On 9/15/2016 1:01 PM, john wrote:
> Never mind, Odd.
> I know you have no definition of spin.

Bullshit. You won't look at what I offer. That's on you, not on me.

If you ask for a meal and someone offers you a sandwich and a bag of 
chips and you turn your back on it and say it's not what you had in 
mind, that's on you.

>
> One of your problems is-
> YOU KEEP TRYING TO IMPORT ZERO
> into a description of reality.
> Reality IS, Odd. Not ISN'T.

Here you are trying to get words to define nature. Nature alters the 
meanings of words.

>
> And zero dimensions doesn't do "spin" well.

Yes, it does. It just doesn't fit what YOUR MIND tells you spin means.

> No matter what kind.

Bullshit. You are saying your mind's ideas are comprehensive and exclude 
new things like that.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#597072

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-15 12:15 -0700
Message-ID<28565264-6827-4c95-86f8-b49301e8c439@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#597069
Odd
Good luck with that

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#597086

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-15 16:01 -0500
Message-ID<nrf283$ema$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#597072
On 9/15/2016 2:15 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> Good luck with that
>

This is what science does. If you don't buy into how science works, 
John, then I really have to question why you're at all interested in 
this discussion group.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#597068

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-15 14:07 -0500
Message-ID<nrerhu$20f$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#597063
On 9/15/2016 12:57 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> So what does "spin" mean in Physics?
> (Answering what it doesn't mean
> doesn't count.)
>

Can't be explained in two paragraphs, John.

New ideas, new meanings for words take a lot of elaboration to explain. 
This is why there are books, and good ones, and why they are fun to read.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#597073

FromMahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-15 12:32 -0700
Message-ID<aa0d08cf-3c92-4388-bf7d-6a885c26f596@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#597068
On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 3:07:49 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 9/15/2016 12:57 PM, john wrote:
> > Odd
> > So what does "spin" mean in Physics?
> > (Answering what it doesn't mean
> > doesn't count.)
> 
> Can't be explained in two paragraphs, John.

Usenet is neither Twitter nor why not just setup a blog.

Fwiw, my education that is, there exist upper limits on the measure of
the electron radius. Need paper book references? Go to a library.
 
> New ideas, new meanings for words take a lot of elaboration to explain. 
> This is why there are books, and good ones, and why they are fun to read.

Oddly, that's a major misspelling of 'fun to buy.'

> -- 
> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

-- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: Read My Lips, No New Words!”

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#597112

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-09-16 02:25 +0000
Message-ID<nrfl7j$5rq$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#597043
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Michael
>If you truly think that
>points exist as entities,
>then there is no hope.

Give me just one good reason why they can't.  So far you haven't even 
tried.

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#597153

Fromedprochak@gmail.com
Date2016-09-16 07:00 -0700
Message-ID<53d1e990-87e6-4235-b36d-cf7bd5b592d8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#597012
On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 12:24:15 AM UTC-4, benj wrote:
> On 09/14/2016 10:06 AM, edprochak@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 8:05:02 PM UTC-4, benj wrote:
> >> On 9/13/2016 4:36 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > []
> >>>
> >>> A point particle is not Nothing. It is something. It has physical
> >>> properties. It makes no difference whatsoever that you stand on a hill
> >>> and declare "Thou hast no volume and therefore you are Nothing, and
> >>> therefore THOU ART BANISHED." Doing so just makes you an arrogant idiot.
> >>
> >> And you think insisting that something that has no volume or dimensions
> >> actually exists and has properties makes you a logical genius?
> >
> > In this case it is experiment which shows electrons exist, but to
> > the extent that we can measure, they behave as POINT (dimensionless)
> > particles.
> 
> This is science nonsense. There is no such thing as a "point" or 
> "infinity" in science. So an electron cannot be a point and 
> dimensionless objects can't be said to exist. If you think the 
> cross-section of an electron is VERY small that is one thing. To call it 
> a "point" is just a misapplication of terminology.

Your insisting doesn't make it so.

> 
> > You think electrons have a size. Prove it. Measure it.
> 
> Been done by others. So you find the Thompson cross-section of an 
> electron is very small. Very small does not equal zero and certainly 
> does not prove it's a point. You and odd are confusing math fantasy with 
> reality. Point-like particles are not "points"

I have no problem with that

> to say they are is ignorant.

I spoke of the behavior of electrons as point particles.


> 
> >> Hint: Math fantasy is not more real than reality.
> >
> > Odd and I are not confusing Math with reality. You are.
> 
> I just proved otherwise. (You better turn this debate over to Odd. He's 
> much better at twisting the meaning of words than you)

Sorry, Look at my description again.

What you did not provide is ANY evidence of the clouds of vortices
that John describes for his theory. That is because there is no such
evidence. Accepting a theory without evidence is the ultimate 
act of faith.

So keep on defending John. Have faith.

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#596940

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-14 11:58 -0500
Message-ID<nrbvj7$114i$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#596880
On 9/13/2016 7:04 PM, benj wrote:
> And you think insisting that something that has no volume or dimensions
> actually exists and has properties makes you a logical genius?

This is not something that takes a genius to know.

> I take it
> you are not a native speaker of English and do not understand that words
> actually have meanings.

Yes, indeed. The meanings of words by physicists are the meanings 
ascribed by physicists. Not you, who disagree with the rest.

> You must be a liberal. It's just amazing that
> you can think that waves can exist in nothing at all

I have never said that waves can exist in nothing in all. They exist in 
spacetime. If you equate spacetime with nothing, then that's your mistake.

> and that things
> with no volume or dimensions are real and then try to call everyone else
> arrogant idiots!  You obviously are wearing no clothes.
>
> Hint: Math fantasy is not more real than reality.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#597008

Frombenj <nobody@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-14 23:43 -0400
Message-ID<57da18dc$0$1522$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#596940
On 09/14/2016 12:58 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 9/13/2016 7:04 PM, benj wrote:
>> And you think insisting that something that has no volume or dimensions
>> actually exists and has properties makes you a logical genius?
>
> This is not something that takes a genius to know.

Nope takes a lot of fantasy and faith.

>> I take it
>> you are not a native speaker of English and do not understand that words
>> actually have meanings.
>
> Yes, indeed. The meanings of words by physicists are the meanings
> ascribed by physicists. Not you, who disagree with the rest.

So in your world jargon is king. How do you ever ask for a burger and 
not end up with a salad?

>> You must be a liberal. It's just amazing that
>> you can think that waves can exist in nothing at all
>
> I have never said that waves can exist in nothing in all. They exist in
> spacetime. If you equate spacetime with nothing, then that's your mistake.

Ah! PROGESS! I TOLD You you should DISCUSS these issues rather than just 
lazily name book titles! I never equated space time with nothing. 
Einstein never did either. He pointed out space-time has properties 
hence CANNOT be "nothing". We both use the term aether for space-time. 
You can use your term. The ones making the mistake are the writers of 
Halliday and Resnick (and so many others) who think that the "vacuum of 
space" is nothing. Clearly it is not. You agree?

>> and that things
>> with no volume or dimensions are real and then try to call everyone else
>> arrogant idiots!  You obviously are wearing no clothes.
>>
>> Hint: Math fantasy is not more real than reality.

This statement is still true, however.

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#596874

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2016-09-13 19:46 -0400
Message-ID<57d88fce$0$1271$c3e8da3$1cbc7475@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#596831
On 9/13/2016 3:05 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 9/13/2016 9:19 AM, john wrote:
>> benj
>> These guys:
>> WHY, WHY, WHY
>> can't mathematics directly translate
>> into reality?
>> WHY can't there be physical things with
>> no dimensions, God?
>
> Has God whispered in your ear that physical things with no dimensions
> don't exist? Or are you going to say that your common sense stands in
> for what God would say?
>
>> WHY can't there be waves travelling
>> in NOTHING, God?
>
> The absence of a medium is not Nothing, John.
> Spacetime is not Nothing, John.
> Even if you stand on a hilltop and proclaim, John, that "This is
> Nothing, because I have Named It So."
>
>> Oh, WHY WHY WHY?
>> Why can't there be NOTHING?
>>
>> Please, God?
>>
>> WHATS THE RULE?
>
> Yeah, John. What's the rule? Can't think of anything?
>
>> WHATS THE RULE?
>> WHATS THE RULE?
>> WHATS THE RULE?
>> WHATS THE RULE?
>> WHATS THE RULE?
>> WHATS THE RULE?
>> WHATS THE RULE?
>>
>> The rule is there's no such thing as
>> Nothing because nothing is Nothing.

John it's simple. IF Boinker says that nothing at all is something then 
it has to be true. IF you doubt him, then he'll give you the titles of a 
bunch of books he's read that "prove" he's right because they believe 
nothing is something just like he does. Just don't ask him to explain 
how this can be or even give you the page number of his book. He won't. 
He says he can't discuss these topics because you are too lazy to read 
through his references and interpret them the same way he has. I mean 
nothing is something. What could be so hard about that one? Freedom is 
Slavery. War is peace. Ignorance is Strength. It's all the same. Just 
believe! All of us here do love Big Brother, right?

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#596934

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-14 10:47 -0500
Message-ID<nrbrf6$p7g$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#596874
On 9/13/2016 6:46 PM, benj wrote:
> On 9/13/2016 3:05 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 9/13/2016 9:19 AM, john wrote:
>>> benj
>>> These guys:
>>> WHY, WHY, WHY
>>> can't mathematics directly translate
>>> into reality?
>>> WHY can't there be physical things with
>>> no dimensions, God?
>>
>> Has God whispered in your ear that physical things with no dimensions
>> don't exist? Or are you going to say that your common sense stands in
>> for what God would say?
>>
>>> WHY can't there be waves travelling
>>> in NOTHING, God?
>>
>> The absence of a medium is not Nothing, John.
>> Spacetime is not Nothing, John.
>> Even if you stand on a hilltop and proclaim, John, that "This is
>> Nothing, because I have Named It So."
>>
>>> Oh, WHY WHY WHY?
>>> Why can't there be NOTHING?
>>>
>>> Please, God?
>>>
>>> WHATS THE RULE?
>>
>> Yeah, John. What's the rule? Can't think of anything?
>>
>>> WHATS THE RULE?
>>> WHATS THE RULE?
>>> WHATS THE RULE?
>>> WHATS THE RULE?
>>> WHATS THE RULE?
>>> WHATS THE RULE?
>>> WHATS THE RULE?
>>>
>>> The rule is there's no such thing as
>>> Nothing because nothing is Nothing.
>
> John it's simple. IF Boinker says that nothing at all is something

I'm not saying nothing is something.
I'm saying point particles are something, you say they are nothing.
I'm saying spacetime is something, you say it is nothing.
That argument is useless.

The question is not whether it's your OPINION or not that these things 
should be called "nothing".

If they have measurable physical properties, then they are not nothing. 
Period. It is just NOT YOUR CALL to say, "Well if they have zero volume, 
then they're nothing, the other properties be damned."


> then
> it has to be true. IF you doubt him, then he'll give you the titles of a
> bunch of books he's read that "prove" he's right because they believe
> nothing is something just like he does. Just don't ask him to explain
> how this can be or even give you the page number of his book. He won't.
> He says he can't discuss these topics because you are too lazy to read
> through his references and interpret them the same way he has.

Nothing to interpret. You just read them for comprehension. Try it sometime.

> I mean
> nothing is something. What could be so hard about that one? Freedom is
> Slavery. War is peace. Ignorance is Strength. It's all the same. Just
> believe! All of us here do love Big Brother, right?
>
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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