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| Started by | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-09-01 17:06 -0700 |
| Last post | 2016-09-11 14:41 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 355 — 18 participants |
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Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-01 17:06 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-02 01:56 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-01 21:26 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-01 21:48 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 04:44 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-02 13:46 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:47 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-02 07:02 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 08:08 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-02 11:17 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:53 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:48 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:40 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 10:06 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-02 13:40 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 08:18 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-02 17:04 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 15:15 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-03 04:13 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 03:30 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 08:03 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-04 03:14 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 20:39 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 10:03 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-05 13:26 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-05 15:34 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 10:30 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:56 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 10:28 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 10:23 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 12:23 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:45 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:36 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-05 12:40 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:34 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 08:49 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 09:31 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 09:59 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 11:07 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 11:34 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 11:39 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 11:07 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-04 19:30 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 12:34 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 16:32 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-05 13:23 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-05 15:47 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-09-05 16:26 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-06 09:32 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 11:24 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-07 13:23 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 06:33 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 07:41 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 10:29 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 08:59 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 11:02 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 11:03 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 09:30 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 09:33 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-07 10:44 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 15:21 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 09:15 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 07:39 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 08:07 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 10:20 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-08 17:23 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-08 11:08 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-08 15:11 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 10:16 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 08:22 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 08:38 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 11:57 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 11:55 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-08 11:06 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 14:20 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 16:30 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 14:57 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 07:32 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-09 17:33 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 16:57 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-09 20:00 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 18:18 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 22:05 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 21:15 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-13 02:52 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 19:24 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-13 23:54 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 08:15 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 23:19 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 09:07 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 19:31 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-13 23:59 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 21:48 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-14 05:14 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-15 17:50 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 00:53 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-15 21:54 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 04:16 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:00 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 21:41 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 20:57 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-17 01:48 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-14 07:00 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Sergoi <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-14 12:10 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 14:35 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 15:47 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 08:30 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 00:56 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 08:46 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-19 06:04 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 06:21 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 06:32 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 07:33 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 07:39 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 15:40 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:32 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:33 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:41 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 09:26 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 00:09 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 18:19 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 22:07 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 21:16 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 23:25 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 09:09 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 19:33 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 09:29 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-13 09:33 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 20:18 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-14 07:24 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 00:46 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-09 20:12 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 21:04 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 21:48 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 21:05 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-13 09:02 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-08 22:11 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 15:41 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-08 19:55 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 07:35 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 05:46 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-09 13:36 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 08:46 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 06:54 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 09:33 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-09 17:45 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 17:05 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 15:24 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-09 22:51 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 16:09 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 06:15 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 07:08 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 18:22 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-09-15 23:26 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-10 14:04 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 06:14 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-09 20:15 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 18:05 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 16:12 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 18:26 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 16:46 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 20:06 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 03:04 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-12 10:01 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 10:14 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-12 18:03 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 13:24 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-09-12 11:37 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 11:56 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 11:59 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 15:34 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-12 15:15 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 18:17 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 20:30 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 18:43 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 21:02 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-13 02:13 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-13 02:09 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-12 23:38 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-13 04:40 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 07:19 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 07:27 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-13 09:24 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 15:05 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 20:06 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-14 05:15 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 11:59 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 23:45 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 14:05 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 13:08 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 15:36 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 14:16 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 07:56 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-14 06:47 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 20:04 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-14 07:06 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 00:22 -0400
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-15 12:55 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 06:18 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 08:45 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-15 14:31 +0000
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 08:23 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 10:43 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 08:58 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 09:48 -0700
tautochrononology noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 10:03 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 12:32 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 10:57 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 11:01 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 14:10 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 12:15 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 16:01 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 14:07 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 12:32 -0700
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Re: Vortices in the subfractal "Tim BandTech.com" <timgolden@bandtechnology.com> - 2016-09-24 08:57 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:25 -0500
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Re: Vortices in the subfractal noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 15:54 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:41 -0500
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Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 08:10 -0500
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Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 08:42 -0500
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Re: Vortices in the subfractal moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 15:49 +0000
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Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 08:10 -0500
Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 11:22 -0500
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Re: Vortices in the subfractal edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-09-09 06:35 -0700
the little sEEds in that guy noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 13:37 -0700
Re: Vortices in the subfractal "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 13:07 -0700
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Re: Vortices in the subfractal Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 13:09 -0500
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-07 15:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1b7ca32a-fc0b-4f10-b66a-524611ffdbbe@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #596195 |
Ed said "The spin of both electron and positron is 1/2. They both have the same mass rest mass: 0.511MeV The property where they differ is their charge. So again, NO, antimatter is NOT due to something having opposite " Questions for Ed: 1. There are two jets produced by an AGN. Do THEY have: (for 10 points) a. the same spin b. no spin c. opposite spin 2. Explain your choice (for 90 points)
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-08 09:15 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nqrrp7$1f4s$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #596227 |
On 9/7/2016 5:21 PM, john wrote: > Ed said > "The spin of both electron and positron is 1/2. > They both have the same mass rest mass: 0.511MeV > The property where they differ is their charge. > > So again, NO, antimatter is NOT due to something > having opposite " > > Questions for Ed: > 1. There are two jets produced > by an AGN. > Do THEY have: (for 10 points) > a. the same spin > b. no spin b. Jets from active galactic nuclei do not have spin. The accretion disks have angular momentum (not quantum mechanical spin), but that is not carried by the jets. > c. opposite spin > 2. Explain your choice (for 90 points) > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-08 07:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <21074018-876d-44b0-aa8c-1dab445ca8ba@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #596261 |
Odd said "The accretion disks have angular momentum (not quantum mechanical spin), " Of course quantum mechanical spin isn't spin, as we know it. It is something else. What WAS that again, Odd?
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-08 08:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7a1f82f3-41c5-4c76-9a0f-ebff9c8401c3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #596262 |
Anyway, Odd, forget "spin" for awhile. WM is obviously conflicted with that. Are you aware that jets have been shown to have a complex "braided" structure? Are you saying that there is no carry-on whether their base (the disc) is turning clockwise or counterclockwise? Indistinguishable? Odd? Is that what you are saying?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-08 10:20 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nqrvjt$1lod$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #596263 |
On 9/8/2016 10:07 AM, john wrote: > Anyway, Odd, forget "spin" for > awhile. WM is obviously conflicted > with that. > > Are you aware that jets have been > shown to have a complex "braided" > structure? Are you saying that there > is no carry-on whether their base > (the disc) is turning clockwise or > counterclockwise? > Indistinguishable? > Odd? > Is that what you are saying? > I'm not aware of any literature that says that the helicity of the braided structure is opposite for the two opposing jets. Are you? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-09-08 17:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nqs6q2$a1t$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #596263 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Are you aware that jets have been >shown to have a complex "braided" >structure? Are you saying that there >is no carry-on whether their base >(the disc) is turning clockwise or >counterclockwise? Without things such as extreme magnetic fields, the jets couldn't have rotation as they'd fly apart and we wouldn't see them as jets but some sort of splat or something. However, black holes would have extreme magnetic fields which likely wouldn't align with their rotational axis, if they rotate (most probably do). These would cause the ionized particles of the jets to react to them and a braided look makes sense. But the braids aren't from rotation from when they are formed but continuing reaction to the black hole's effects.
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| From | edprochak@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-09-08 11:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <608516ef-17f3-41b7-a746-91b4205a2f5f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #596283 |
On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 1:24:24 PM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: > > >Are you aware that jets have been > >shown to have a complex "braided" > >structure? Are you saying that there > >is no carry-on whether their base > >(the disc) is turning clockwise or > >counterclockwise? > > Without things such as extreme magnetic fields, the jets couldn't have rotation > as they'd fly apart and we wouldn't see them as jets but some sort of splat or > something. > > However, black holes would have extreme magnetic fields which likely wouldn't > align with their rotational axis, if they rotate (most probably do). These > would cause the ionized particles of the jets to react to them and a braided > look makes sense. But the braids aren't from rotation from when they are formed > but continuing reaction to the black hole's effects. Hi Mike, Nice description. ed
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-09-08 15:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nqrv3q$l7l$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #596262 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Odd said >"The accretion disks have angular momentum (not quantum mechanical spin), " >Of course quantum mechanical spin isn't >spin, as we know it. >It is something else. What WAS that again, Odd? Quantum mechanical "spin" is a quantum mechanical property that has no macroscopic equivalent. It does, however, have units of angular momentum like an actual rotation would. Orbital angular momentum is equivalent to macroscopic rotation, however, even though it is quantized.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-08 10:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nqrvbl$1l6c$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #596262 |
On 9/8/2016 9:39 AM, john wrote: > Odd said > "The accretion disks have angular momentum (not quantum mechanical spin), " > > Of course quantum mechanical spin isn't > spin, as we know it. > It is something else. What WAS that again, Odd? > I've offered you some readings to learn what it is. But you don't read, do you? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-08 08:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2488e8f3-cca4-4cfa-a9c7-931673ca5f1b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #596265 |
I said forget "spin" for awhile. As you say, QM uses it in a way that makes no sense unless it's too small to see. Are you aware that jets are observed to have a complex braided structure? Are you saying that whether they originate from one side or the other of the disc is not impressed on this structure? I don't know why you would think that.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-08 08:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <078ef69a-e24a-4b79-9409-d78dffdcfdd4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #596268 |
Odd: Here you go- from http://m.phys.org/news/2016-06-black-hole-jets-galaxies_1.html "The supermassive black hole in the bulging center of these massive galaxies is like a pitted olive spinning around an axle through the hole, Tchekhovskoy said. If you thread a strand of spaghetti through the hole, representing a magnetic field, then the spinning olive will coil the spaghetti like a spring. The spinning, coiled magnetic fields act like a flexible drill trying to penetrate the surrounding gas."
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-08 11:57 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nqs59n$1vup$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #596269 |
On 9/8/2016 10:38 AM, john wrote: > Odd: > Here you go- > from http://m.phys.org/news/2016-06-black-hole-jets-galaxies_1.html > "The supermassive black hole in the bulging center of these massive galaxies > is like a pitted olive spinning around an axle through the hole, Tchekhovskoy > said. If you thread a strand of spaghetti through the hole, representing a > magnetic field, then the spinning olive will coil the spaghetti like a spring. > The spinning, coiled magnetic fields act like a flexible drill trying to > penetrate the surrounding gas." > And so where in that do you derive that the helicity is different for the two jets? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-08 11:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nqs555$1vup$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #596268 |
On 9/8/2016 10:22 AM, john wrote: > I said forget "spin" for awhile. > As you say, QM uses it in > a way that makes no sense > unless it's too small to see. Of course it makes sense. It makes sense to me. It makes sense to lots of other people. Now, you say that because it doesn't make sense to YOU, then it can't make sense to ANYBODY. Ego much, John? > > Are you aware that jets are observed > to have a complex braided structure? > Are you saying that whether they > originate from one side or the other > of the disc is not impressed on this structure? > I don't know why you would think that. What evidence do you have that the helicity of the braided structure is opposite for the two jets, John? Or are you just guessing that it might be, and therefore is? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | edprochak@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-09-08 11:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4d710e71-e97b-4882-8419-b6a3e1a4dead@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #596268 |
On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 11:22:04 AM UTC-4, john wrote: > I said forget "spin" for awhile. > As you say, QM uses it in > a way that makes no sense > unless it's too small to see. > So QM spin too small to see but you postulate the electron is made of a vortex of even tinier particles than the electron itself. Just pick and choose your facts, just like other trolls. > Are you aware that jets are observed > to have a complex braided structure? What little material that gets pushed out with the jets is like that. but that is not the main component. > Are you saying that whether they > originate from one side or the other > of the disc is not impressed on this structure? > I don't know why you would think that. So now the next step is for you to argue this is just like the spinning vortex in the electron. Then We reply that the BH Jets are EXTERNAL to the BH. Then you reply with insults and change the question again. So why don't you just stop here and learn some real physics first before posting again. Your friendly neighbor, ed
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-08 14:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7e468877-1264-4491-a045-0f567fdce6e9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #596287 |
Ed said " So QM spin too small to see but you postulate the electron is made of a vortex of even tinier particles than the electron itself. Just pick and choose your facts, just like other trolls. " QM "spin" is not like macroscopic spin. In fact, it's indescribable! That kind of "fairy spin" only happens where you can't see it- according to QM- and you have to kind of IMAGINE it, along with a lot of VIRTUAL stuff and Magic WORMholes. In MY model- which is a true model in that it can be run in 3D- there are actual pathways that stuff follows, and the rules of Physics don't change. Ed, you'll just believe any kind of shit for a degree, just like the other zombies, won't you?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-08 16:30 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nqsl8m$srv$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #596312 |
On 9/8/2016 4:20 PM, john wrote: > > QM "spin" is not like macroscopic spin. > In fact, it's indescribable! Not so, John. It's very describable. Takes a few dozen pages, but I'm sure that wouldn't be too much of a stretch for you to read, would it? > That kind of "fairy spin" only happens > where you can't see it- according to QM- > and you have to kind of IMAGINE it, > along with a lot of VIRTUAL stuff and > Magic WORMholes. Now, John, no need to be describing anything that is smaller than you can see as "fairy" stuff. After all, do you believe in atoms? Can you SEE atoms? > > In MY model- which is a true model in that > it can be run in 3D- there are actual > pathways that stuff follows, and the > rules of Physics don't change. Ah, so here we go. In John Sefton's mind, a True Model is a model that looks like a science museum display, with material cogs and wheels moving in repeating and clear pathways around gears and cams, and where elementary physics still applies. Any model that does not behave that way, according to John, cannot be a True Model, because nature should not be allowed to behave differently than how a science museum exhibit works. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/J85_ge_17a_turbojet_engine.jpg http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I00004IJGYu.068A/s/992/660/China-Beijing-Science-Museum-11-26-065.jpg http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/ecologic/files/2011/11/00x13380-Orrery.jpg > > Ed, you'll just believe any kind of shit for a degree, > just like the other zombies, won't you? > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-08 14:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <cf259e34-a2ec-43a6-9dec-dc441b944698@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #596316 |
Odd A true model prides itself on making sense. QM tries to tell us reality doesn't make sense. You sure like lies and falsehoods, Odd!
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-09 07:32 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nqua55$1601$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #596319 |
On 9/8/2016 4:57 PM, john wrote: > Odd > A true model prides itself on making sense. "Making sense" is in the eye of the beholder. You want a True Model to make sense to ANYONE, regardless of what they've read or learned. You want a True Model to appeal to visual intuitiveness so that even a third grader would be able to see how it works. Sorry, but that is NOT what a scientific model is intended to do. It doesn't matter how fervently you wish it to be. > QM tries to tell us reality doesn't > make sense. And that's just plain bullshit, John. Quantum mechanics says no such thing, and I have no idea what you've read that led you to say such a stupid thing. > You sure like lies and falsehoods, Odd! > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-09 17:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <57d32a97$0$28846$c3e8da3$88b277c5@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #596362 |
On 9/9/2016 8:32 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 9/8/2016 4:57 PM, john wrote: >> Odd >> A true model prides itself on making sense. > > "Making sense" is in the eye of the beholder. > You want a True Model to make sense to ANYONE, regardless of what > they've read or learned. You want a True Model to appeal to visual > intuitiveness so that even a third grader would be able to see how it > works. > > Sorry, but that is NOT what a scientific model is intended to do. It > doesn't matter how fervently you wish it to be. > >> QM tries to tell us reality doesn't >> make sense. > > And that's just plain bullshit, John. Quantum mechanics says no such > thing, and I have no idea what you've read that led you to say such a > stupid thing. > >> You sure like lies and falsehoods, Odd! Just so. Odd we are all still waiting for you to tell us what exactly is the medium of "probability waves" and for that matter just what a "probability wave" is. Until you do, your assertion that QM makes sense is just kook blather.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-09 16:57 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nqvb7c$13j9$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #596399 |
On 9/9/2016 4:33 PM, benj wrote: > On 9/9/2016 8:32 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 9/8/2016 4:57 PM, john wrote: >>> Odd >>> A true model prides itself on making sense. >> >> "Making sense" is in the eye of the beholder. >> You want a True Model to make sense to ANYONE, regardless of what >> they've read or learned. You want a True Model to appeal to visual >> intuitiveness so that even a third grader would be able to see how it >> works. >> >> Sorry, but that is NOT what a scientific model is intended to do. It >> doesn't matter how fervently you wish it to be. >> >>> QM tries to tell us reality doesn't >>> make sense. >> >> And that's just plain bullshit, John. Quantum mechanics says no such >> thing, and I have no idea what you've read that led you to say such a >> stupid thing. >> >>> You sure like lies and falsehoods, Odd! > > Just so. Odd we are all still waiting for you to tell us what exactly is > the medium of "probability waves" and for that matter just what a > "probability wave" is. Until you do, your assertion that QM makes sense > is just kook blather. As mentioned to you before, you are mistaken if you believe that waves require a medium by definition. And in fact, we had a discussion not so long ago where YOUR OWN REFERENCE made the assertion that not all waves require a medium. So asking for what the medium is for a probability wave is just baiting nonsense. Secondly, the rather ancient Born interpretation of quantum mechanics invoking "probability waves" has been left in the same dustbin as "particle-wave duality" and "relativistic mass". It might help to read something that doesn't fall apart from age as soon as you open it. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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