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| Started by | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-08-08 16:33 -0500 |
| Last post | 2016-08-10 15:59 -0500 |
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For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-08 16:33 -0500
For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-08 14:45 -0700
For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-08 15:06 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-08 17:21 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-08 17:09 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 08:33 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 10:42 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-08-08 15:13 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-08 19:12 -0400
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 03:48 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 07:21 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 05:55 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 08:06 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-09 18:05 -0400
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 17:20 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 10:53 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-08 19:05 -0400
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 07:44 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 06:02 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 08:09 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 06:16 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 08:45 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 07:13 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 09:36 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 07:45 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 10:15 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 08:21 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 10:38 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 10:45 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 08:50 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 10:58 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-09 15:50 +0000
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 11:00 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 09:09 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 11:17 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-09 17:31 +0000
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 13:22 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-09 18:14 -0400
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 17:21 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 22:48 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-09 18:08 -0400
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-09 22:45 -0400
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 22:36 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-10 16:32 -0400
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 07:55 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 06:48 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 06:54 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 09:11 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-10 17:05 -0400
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 16:13 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 16:14 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 06:23 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 09:30 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 08:17 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 08:21 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-11 16:24 +0000
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 10:52 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 09:08 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 11:25 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 12:51 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 11:32 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 14:11 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 12:40 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 14:49 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 12:52 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 14:56 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 13:14 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 15:46 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 13:52 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 16:31 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 19:23 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-12 04:18 +0000
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 21:38 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-12 15:20 +0000
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 08:33 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-12 17:05 +0000
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 07:21 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 19:35 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 19:40 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 07:28 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 06:52 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 07:16 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 10:32 -0500
like a certain character in a cart00n noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 13:49 -0700
Re: like a certain character in a cart00n noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 12:28 -0700
Re: like a certain character in a cart00n john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 12:39 -0700
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-10 16:35 -0400
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 15:39 -0500
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-10 16:50 -0400
Re: For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 15:59 -0500
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-08 16:33 -0500 |
| Subject | For John Sefton: Boyd Bushman and acting like a scientist |
| Message-ID | <noats5$1qao$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA3HV_gfq80 In this video, Body Bushman declares certain things: 0:55-"The person that I contact twice to three times per month is the head of that program now. And they continually update me on everything they possibly can." 1:40-"So that's what began about thirteen years ago." [i.e. 2001] 2:00-"Follow the data, theory be damned....Therefore, everything that I present here will be data that comes directly from them, through me, to you." [Note that Bushman is not claiming having taken the data or having any first-hand knowledge of how the data was collected.] 9:20-"Since I actually physically gave them my camera, they actually took this photo as the UFO was departing." [This is a claim that humans at Area 51 took photos with Bushman's camera.] "Also when UFOs come in, we have a heads-up display for our pilots, they do too. This is what their pilots see in order to tell them how to come into Area 51 and land." [This is a claim that aliens at Area 51 took photos with Bushman's camera.] 10:40-"To my surprise, when I asked them [Bushman is implying the "them" is aliens] how fast they take to get from that, it should be 68,000 years to make it according to Einstein, but they are able to make it to us in 45 [minutes]. So I gave them [aliens] an assignment to photograph the planets from space as they were coming back, and they did that." 12:00-"I asked them to take pictures of the power unit on the bottom, up close and personal, they gave me this. That's when my camera looks into the power center of the UFO." [Here the "they" is not clear.] 12:50-"Now I asked them to tell me about who was flying these things. He therefore said 'Fine'..." [Bushman holds up what is now known to be a photo of a toy purchasable at WalMart. [The "them" here are the humans at Area 51.] 13:28-"They have five fingers, five toes, two eyes." [Note that the alien autopsy alien has six fingers, six toes.] 18:30-"This is a picture of their home planet, which they call Quintonia." [Holds up a picture taken with Bushman's camera, presumably taken by an alien.] 19:06-"This process introduced me, directly or indirectly, to Dr. Teller's work with a group that still is in charge of Area 51 and equivalent. Turned out to be a doctor, very fine gentleman. I was carrying on a conversation with him, and he saw how the subject was going, so he simply said, 'Well, you need to know what I did' one day." [Bushman is here claiming that he's about to relate second-hand information, not first-hand information. This then proceeds to turn out to be third-hand information, the doctor telling what an anonymous pilot reported to him, and then passing this story on to Bushman.] 25:28-"They kept giving me pieces of UFOs, and I would come to my laboratories." [Now he is claiming first hand contact with UFO material, but only shows photos, rather than being able to allow someone else to confirm the data with the same samples in his possession.] 27:50-"The team took a piece of UFO and connected it up like this and was able to have a complete laboratory operate for six months with heavy equipment." [Boyd quotes 249V and up to 12 amperes, which is 3 kW, which is about the same as two hair dryers and a microwave oven, about what you'd expect in an average home during the day: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_energy_consumption. Not exactly a "complete laboratory with heavy equipment".] 29:15-"Here is what Area 51 was giving to me since the year 2000 and beyond." [Again, Boyd is declaring no direct first-hand knowledge.] Bottom line: Boyd Bushman declares that he only believes that which can be confirmed by direct physical test, and then he reports a bunch of 2nd-hand and 3rd-hand information that he can not confirm himself. Is this the way that scientists should report findings? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-08 14:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <aa70b536-a966-46b7-af96-ca727e4e18e8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #592384 |
Bod Smoke. Lots and lots of smoke. The 6-fingered alien that was in the movie "alien autopsy" is identical to the toy. Except for number of digits. What do YOU say happens at Area 51? How are SO MANY PEOPLE all in on this "hoax"? Why are CIA people talking about the SAME kinds of beings/ships? Why are there THOUSANDS of pictures world wide of these SAME ships? Why did ALL of Adamski's photos look just like the photos that Boyd shows? Time to suck it up, Bod
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-08 15:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <544494d2-c4ed-4fe2-9bbd-fadf0b395bf7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #592387 |
By the way- where is the big LIE that you said Bushmann told on his deathbed, liar?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-08 17:21 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nob0kk$1tqk$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #592394 |
On 8/8/2016 5:06 PM, john wrote: > By the way- where is the big LIE > that you said Bushmann told on > his deathbed, liar? > That nothing is believable unless it is confirmable by direct physical test. And then he holds up a photo, saying that someone told him it's a photo of our solar system planet taken from their ship. And he believes that. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-08 17:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <noavun$1t6u$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #592387 |
On 8/8/2016 4:45 PM, john wrote: > Bod > Smoke. Lots and lots of smoke. > The 6-fingered alien that was in > the movie "alien autopsy" is > identical to the toy. Except for number > of digits. Nope, not identical. As pointed out. The photo in Bushman's video IS identical, feature by feature, shading by shading, three ridges in the back of the neck, dark center crease in the head, number of fingers, EVERYTHING. The one in the alien autopsy movie is identical if you squint really hard and ignore a lot of called-out differences. Note that the alien autopsy movie purports to show a control panel that is OPTIMIZED for six fingers, which wouldn't do so well for a five fingered being. > > What do YOU say happens at Area 51? > > How are SO MANY PEOPLE all in > on this "hoax"? The Bushman hoax? One. Bushman. Notice that Bushman does not identify any contact at Area 51 at all. Therefore there is NO CONFIRMABLE person AT ALL that can be said to be the source of any photos or testimony from Area 51. None. Just the ones that Bushman SAY exist and gave him all this stuff. Oh, and his buddy that took a photo of a ridge outside Area 51 on Valentine's Day and saw something funny when he developed the photos (not when he actually took the photos, notice). > Why are CIA people > talking about the SAME kinds of > beings/ships? People CLAIMING to be CIA people. Bushman was a senior scientist at Lockheed Martin with NO direct ties or presence at Area 51. So, as you say, you don't know that Bushman EVER set foot in Area 51. You also don't know if any of those "CIA" people ever set foot in either a CIA office or in Area 51. > Why are there > THOUSANDS of pictures world wide > of these SAME ships? John, if you wanted to perpetuate a hoax about aliens, what would you do? Would you make your fake so it looked like the ship from 2001: A Space Odyssey? Or would you make your fake so it looked like OTHER fakes, so that yours would be more believable? > Why did ALL of Adamski's photos look > just like the photos that Boyd shows? > > Time to suck it up, Bod > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-09 08:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <60b83f40-9573-456a-b4d6-4e617e21179e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #592397 |
Odd said " Nope, not identical. As pointed out. The photo in Bushman's video IS identical, feature by feature, shading by shading, three ridges in the back of the neck, dark center crease in the head, number of fingers, EVERYTHING. The one in the alien autopsy movie is identical if you squint really hard and ignore a lot of called-out differences. Note that the alien autopsy movie purports to show a control panel that is OPTIMIZED for six fingers, which wouldn't do so well for a five fingered being. " Perhaps you think Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump look identical? They are both Human. Yikes- you are SUCH a Tard.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-09 10:42 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <noctlq$h2i$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #592500 |
On 8/9/2016 10:33 AM, john wrote: > Odd said > " > Nope, not identical. As pointed out. The photo in Bushman's video IS > identical, feature by feature, shading by shading, three ridges in the > back of the neck, dark center crease in the head, number of fingers, > EVERYTHING. The one in the alien autopsy movie is identical if you > squint really hard and ignore a lot of called-out differences. Note that > the alien autopsy movie purports to show a control panel that is > OPTIMIZED for six fingers, which wouldn't do so well for a five fingered > being. " > > Perhaps you think Hillary Clinton and > Donald Trump look identical? > They are both Human. Right. They have five fingers, both of them. Notice that YOU are the ones calling five-fingered toys and six-fingered dummies IDENTICAL. I'm the one saying they are NOT identical. You are saying they ARE. So could you perhaps simply acknowledge that, yes, they are not identical as you said before? And maybe you could then try to make the case that, though they are not identical, you believe they are nevertheless the same species from the same planet, and explain why you think that? > Yikes- you are SUCH a Tard. > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-08 15:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <db38bd41-e006-48b1-9e5e-53e3dd2dcc01@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #592387 |
the most intersting thing is that it's a prime number, at least in some bases greater than base_six
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2016-08-08 19:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <57a911d7$0$40875$b1db1813$15bdbe48@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #592387 |
On 8/8/2016 5:45 PM, john wrote: > Bod > Smoke. Lots and lots of smoke. > The 6-fingered alien that was in > the movie "alien autopsy" is > identical to the toy. Except for number > of digits. > > What do YOU say happens at Area 51? > > How are SO MANY PEOPLE all in > on this "hoax"? Why are CIA people > talking about the SAME kinds of > beings/ships? Why are there > THOUSANDS of pictures world wide > of these SAME ships? > Why did ALL of Adamski's photos look > just like the photos that Boyd shows? > > Time to suck it up, Bod Adamski? So are YOU a gummint strategic writer too, john? Yeah, those Adamski "chicken brooder" beam ships sure were convincing! And those Venusians! So beautiful from wandering the primeval forests of Venus! Of course that was BEFORE the Venus probes and everyone (Boinker too no doubt) all assured us that Venus was the most earth-like planet, a bit cloudly but most likely to have alien life! Yeah, right. Alien life made from molten lead. Yeah, Adamski had intelligence community history too, natch. Once you mention Adamski you might as well just use the short form: I'm a gullible ignorant rube.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-09 03:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4ba82a28-cc57-4c65-9e52-be57a6ee7ed8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #592428 |
Whatever they were using to debunk Adamski, the government sure succeeded with you, Benj. The THOUSANDS of excellent pictures he took way before photoshop look IDENTICAL to those being taken today.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-09 07:21 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nochrh$1ttv$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #592471 |
On 8/9/2016 5:48 AM, john wrote: > Whatever they were using to > debunk Adamski, the government sure > succeeded with you, Benj. > The THOUSANDS of excellent pictures he took > way before photoshop > look IDENTICAL to those being taken > today. > Adamski: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/ff/George_Adamski_ship_1.jpg Boyd Bushman: http://secretsfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/boyd-bushman-last-interview-a-do.jpg Oh whoops, that's the picture of Bushman's alien and the WalMart toy Boyd Bushman: http://www.ufo-disclosure.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/bushman-ufo-photos.jpg 2015 photo: http://www.ufocasebook.com/2015/osnaburgh-ontario-canada-large.jpg Oh yeah. Identical. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-09 05:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2de64de0-7f7c-4bd3-afbc-91ff1a247b27@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #592480 |
Odd Yup- 38-foot chicken brooders
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-09 08:06 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nockg7$252$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #592483 |
On 8/9/2016 7:55 AM, john wrote: > Odd > Yup- 38-foot chicken brooders > Bushman said 38 feet. But of course that information was either made up or fed to him by a bullshit artist who sent him a photo of a toy. Adamski took photos of modified chicken brooders, but of course they were not 38 feet across. Neither were the trash can lids that his wife reported he used. John, you are an idiot for taking two pieces of information from two different scams and trying to put them together. But that IS your style. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2016-08-09 18:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <57aa53c2$0$63441$b1db1813$145976f0@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #592480 |
On 8/9/2016 8:21 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 8/9/2016 5:48 AM, john wrote: >> Whatever they were using to >> debunk Adamski, the government sure >> succeeded with you, Benj. >> The THOUSANDS of excellent pictures he took >> way before photoshop >> look IDENTICAL to those being taken >> today. >> > > Adamski: > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/ff/George_Adamski_ship_1.jpg John, you gullible rube. here is one of adamski's "ships" from his books. It's laughable! http://s118.photobucket.com/user/Boneheadart/media/adamskiufo.jpg.html It screams chicken brooder. Somewhere I have a photo of the actual chicken brooder that matches this photo. Listen John, are you a strategic writer here to discredit the UFO interest on the internet and spread disinformation? Are you another HVAC? ARE YOU HVAc? Listen, I know some of Adamski's "true believers" and they are so embarrassed now at being fooled they won't even discuss the subject anymore. Don't you know lead melts on Venus? You are either ignorant in the extreme, gullible in the extreme or a strategic writer throwing more chaff into the wind. I see no other alternatives. A person really has to be "out of it" where Boinker looks knowledgeable in comparison. > Boyd Bushman: > http://secretsfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/boyd-bushman-last-interview-a-do.jpg > > Oh whoops, that's the picture of Bushman's alien and the WalMart toy > > Boyd Bushman: > http://www.ufo-disclosure.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/bushman-ufo-photos.jpg > > > 2015 photo: > http://www.ufocasebook.com/2015/osnaburgh-ontario-canada-large.jpg > > Oh yeah. Identical. >
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-09 17:20 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nodkuo$1lbn$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #592583 |
On 8/9/2016 5:05 PM, benj wrote: > Listen, I know some of Adamski's "true believers" and they are so > embarrassed now at being fooled they won't even discuss the subject > anymore. Don't you know lead melts on Venus? You are either ignorant in > the extreme, gullible in the extreme or a strategic writer throwing more > chaff into the wind. I see no other alternatives. Some people, and John is one of them, do not want to hear anything about being fooled, and therefore cannot be embarrassed. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-10 10:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9979c81a-8342-4e3b-812a-1fd5099e875b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #592583 |
when the chickens come home, to b00st > chicken brooder that matches this photo. Listen John, are you a > strategic writer here to discredit the UFO interest on the internet and > spread disinformation? Are you another HVAC? ARE YOU HVAc? > > Listen, I know some of Adamski's "true believers" and they are so > embarrassed now at being fooled they won't even discuss the subject > anymore. Don't you know lead melts on Venus? You are either ignorant in > the extreme, gullible in the extreme or a strategic writer throwing more > chaff into the wind. I see no other alternatives. > > A person really has to be "out of it" where Boinker looks knowledgeable > in comparison. > > > > > > > Boyd Bushman: > > http://secretsfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/boyd-bushman-last-interview-a-do.jpg > > > > Oh whoops, that's the picture of Bushman's alien and the WalMart toy > > > > Boyd Bushman: > > http://www.ufo-disclosure.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/bushman-ufo-photos.jpg > > > > > > 2015 photo: > > http://www.ufocasebook.com/2015/osnaburgh-ontario-canada-large.jpg > > > > Oh yeah. Identical. > >
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2016-08-08 19:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <57a9104d$0$40893$b1db1813$15bdbe48@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #592384 |
On 8/8/2016 5:33 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA3HV_gfq80 > In this video, Body Bushman declares certain things: > 0:55-"The person that I contact twice to three times per month is the > head of that program now. And they continually update me on everything > they possibly can." > 1:40-"So that's what began about thirteen years ago." [i.e. 2001] > 2:00-"Follow the data, theory be damned....Therefore, everything that I > present here will be data that comes directly from them, through me, to > you." [Note that Bushman is not claiming having taken the data or having > any first-hand knowledge of how the data was collected.] > 9:20-"Since I actually physically gave them my camera, they actually > took this photo as the UFO was departing." [This is a claim that humans > at Area 51 took photos with Bushman's camera.] "Also when UFOs come in, > we have a heads-up display for our pilots, they do too. This is what > their pilots see in order to tell them how to come into Area 51 and > land." [This is a claim that aliens at Area 51 took photos with > Bushman's camera.] > 10:40-"To my surprise, when I asked them [Bushman is implying the "them" > is aliens] how fast they take to get from that, it should be 68,000 > years to make it according to Einstein, but they are able to make it to > us in 45 [minutes]. So I gave them [aliens] an assignment to photograph > the planets from space as they were coming back, and they did that." > 12:00-"I asked them to take pictures of the power unit on the bottom, up > close and personal, they gave me this. That's when my camera looks into > the power center of the UFO." [Here the "they" is not clear.] > 12:50-"Now I asked them to tell me about who was flying these things. He > therefore said 'Fine'..." [Bushman holds up what is now known to be a > photo of a toy purchasable at WalMart. [The "them" here are the humans > at Area 51.] > 13:28-"They have five fingers, five toes, two eyes." [Note that the > alien autopsy alien has six fingers, six toes.] > 18:30-"This is a picture of their home planet, which they call > Quintonia." [Holds up a picture taken with Bushman's camera, presumably > taken by an alien.] > 19:06-"This process introduced me, directly or indirectly, to Dr. > Teller's work with a group that still is in charge of Area 51 and > equivalent. Turned out to be a doctor, very fine gentleman. I was > carrying on a conversation with him, and he saw how the subject was > going, so he simply said, 'Well, you need to know what I did' one day." > [Bushman is here claiming that he's about to relate second-hand > information, not first-hand information. This then proceeds to turn out > to be third-hand information, the doctor telling what an anonymous pilot > reported to him, and then passing this story on to Bushman.] > 25:28-"They kept giving me pieces of UFOs, and I would come to my > laboratories." [Now he is claiming first hand contact with UFO material, > but only shows photos, rather than being able to allow someone else to > confirm the data with the same samples in his possession.] > 27:50-"The team took a piece of UFO and connected it up like this and > was able to have a complete laboratory operate for six months with heavy > equipment." [Boyd quotes 249V and up to 12 amperes, which is 3 kW, which > is about the same as two hair dryers and a microwave oven, about what > you'd expect in an average home during the day: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_energy_consumption. Not exactly a > "complete laboratory with heavy equipment".] > 29:15-"Here is what Area 51 was giving to me since the year 2000 and > beyond." [Again, Boyd is declaring no direct first-hand knowledge.] > > Bottom line: Boyd Bushman declares that he only believes that which can > be confirmed by direct physical test, and then he reports a bunch of > 2nd-hand and 3rd-hand information that he can not confirm himself. Is > this the way that scientists should report findings? Listen to Boinker John. The government has limitless funds to fake things and pay people to write and testify to bullshit. And for that matter even Bushman owed his living to government money and you want to blindly trust these stories. Are you THAT big a rube? Boinker is pretty gullible and even he doesn't buy it. I don't either. What actually happens when some insider starts revealing a few facts that are true, is that at once they are slammed with so many attacks from all sides that they would beg HVAC for a few lefts. THAT might be an indication that they are telling secrets...then again it might not. In the spook world nothing is ever quite what it appears.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-09 07:44 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nocj6g$1vsr$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #592427 |
On 8/8/2016 6:05 PM, benj wrote: > > Listen to Boinker John. The government has limitless funds to fake > things and pay people to write and testify to bullshit. And for that > matter even Bushman owed his living to government money and you want to > blindly trust these stories. Are you THAT big a rube? Boinker is pretty > gullible and even he doesn't buy it. I don't either. What actually > happens when some insider starts revealing a few facts that are true, is > that at once they are slammed with so many attacks from all sides that > they would beg HVAC for a few lefts. THAT might be an indication that > they are telling secrets...then again it might not. In the spook world > nothing is ever quite what it appears. Here's an essential point. The photo that Bushman claims is a photo of an alien has been incontrovertibly proven to be a photo of a WalMart toy. http://cdn.theantimedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/alienn1.jpg So if Bushman were fed this photo by his "contacts" at Area 51, then he was knowingly being fed bullshit. Bushman does not identify his contacts, so there are two hypotheses: 1. There was a real contact feeding Bushman bullshit. Then the rest of the descriptions of the aliens is also likely bullshit fed to Bushman. In this case, Bushman is a dupe who knows nothing factual about Area 51. 2. There was no real contact feeding Bushman information. In this case, Bushman made the whole thing up and created his own photos. In this case, Bushman is a fraud. Given the clear trashing of the "evidence" itself that Bushman presented, there are no other alternatives that make any sense. If John believes there's another believable explanation, I'd be happy to hear it. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-09 06:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2cd0965d-cf86-40af-a533-b207078fe265@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #592482 |
Odd What are you asking ME for? Phone up Area 51 and ask THEM who else besides Bushmann was in on it? Ask THEM who his contact was, and why he didn't name him. Tard
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-09 08:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nockm1$2le$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #592485 |
On 8/9/2016 8:02 AM, john wrote: > Odd > What are you asking ME for? > Phone up Area 51 and ask THEM > who else besides Bushmann was > in on it? And if they say, "Nobody at Area 51 was in on it. Bushman made the whole thing up," what would you say? Would you say "They're lying, Bushman was telling the truth, and there WAS a contact"? How would you know? Second, suppose there WAS a contact. Whoever it was, he was feeding Bushman bullshit, including photos of toys. So then what good is having the information that someone at Area 51 was feeding Bushman bullshit? > Ask THEM who his contact was, > and why he didn't name him. > Tard > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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