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| First post | 2016-07-10 21:34 -0700 |
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Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-10 21:34 -0700
Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 01:09 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:53 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 06:08 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 09:00 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:17 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 10:40 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 09:23 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:04 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 10:24 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:28 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 11:23 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 13:59 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:33 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:28 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 18:29 +0000
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 11:33 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 14:04 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:06 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 14:13 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:24 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 08:29 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 07:06 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 09:06 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 07:42 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 09:46 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 09:52 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:02 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 10:16 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 11:49 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 14:38 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 13:11 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 16:31 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-13 14:40 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 17:02 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-13 15:22 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 19:51 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-13 17:56 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 20:01 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-13 18:17 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:55 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:34 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-14 14:17 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 16:46 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-14 14:57 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy xxein1@att.net - 2016-07-14 15:05 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 05:12 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:35 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 15:27 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 19:53 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-14 01:51 +0000
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 18:58 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-14 02:20 +0000
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 19:31 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-14 02:43 +0000
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 22:06 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-14 13:24 +0000
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 09:16 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 07:26 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 09:44 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 09:14 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 09:12 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 23:06 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:31 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-07-12 19:44 -0400
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:33 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:23 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:26 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 23:01 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 05:03 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 19:52 +0000
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:41 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:22 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-07-11 11:37 -0400
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:09 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:25 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-11 13:37 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 17:01 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 17:34 -0700
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-14 09:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nm86om$1d4s$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #589167 |
On 7/13/2016 9:31 PM, john wrote: > Michael said > "Simpler but wrong is not a good thing. Invisible pink fairies pushing the > planets around is a very simple theory of gravity. It's not a good > theory, however. " > "Finding a simpler answer" presumes it to > be "more right" or at least "as right" > as the other. In math, at least. > > Invisible DM, "somehow" positioned (how?) > to accentuate the acceleration of the > matter coming around without decelerating > the matter going around is > a good example of fudge that doesn't > even make sense. It might make more sense if you stopped trying to GUESS answers to your own questions and started reading up on it. > And the matter > doesn't attract IT? Of COURSE ordinary matter attracts it. > What? Is the DM > stapled to its position in Space? > And what would that position be, and why? > You believe in DM? > Wow! > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-14 09:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nm86kf$1d4s$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #589162 |
On 7/13/2016 8:58 PM, john wrote: > Michael said, and I quote: > "Not everything in science or math is simple." > > Yes. But, if there is a simpler answer > found, was that not a good thing? No, not necessarily. Simpler is not always better. Simpler is only better if it QUANTITATIVELY accounts for the same data (that is, you can show it gets the numbers right) as a more complicated theory. > Will you still believe in DM if it > is shown that gravity is not > matter "sucking", but matter absorbing? That depends on what you mean by "shown". Saying so does not show it. Doing numbers for a matter-absorption idea and demonstrating that it gets the numbers right compared to measurements -- that would show it. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 23:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c2e5fa84-b440-42f9-b5e1-4d7f3358d19d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589090 |
On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 9:49:05 PM UTC+3, john wrote: > Odd > > Matter magically "warps" Space just by > being there. > No mechanism- magic. > But galaxies don't behave accordingly. > So DM is inferred: it magically "warps" Space, > also, but it is made from "something > different", and is also INVISIBLE!! > > Space has no structure, but it has properties. > It is neither here nor there but it can wave. > > You believe that! > Wow ====================== Good for you John !! don't let them crocks to sabotage advance !!! we will prevail-- on the long run !!! they cant cheat every body forever !! =============== ATB Y.Porat =====================================
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-14 08:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c42cdb31-a54e-4466-822a-91c0b1035824@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589056 |
On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 5:52:17 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 7/13/2016 9:46 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > On 7/13/2016 9:42 AM, john wrote: > >> Odd > >> I have no credentials. > >> You have no credentials. > > > > True. > > > >> Real physicists (you're not one) > >> say there's a calibration issue. > > > > There appears to be a DISPUTE among real physicists about this. > > You have read (a little) about ONE SIDE of that dispute without > > bothering to read (at all) about the other side. > > > >> You say there isn't. > >> I believe the real physicists. > > > > Me too. But I've read both sides. > > And this is the disease that courses through your brain like a malarial > swoon, John. You read so little, and the little you read, you choose > ONLY the sensational, supermarket tabloid, conspiracy-theory-feeding > side of things. It doesn't matter whether it's 9/11 or UFOs or mental > spoonbending or cold fusion or WHATEVER, when there is 1% of scientists > going up against the 99% of scientists, you ONLY care about what the 1% > says and you don't bother even looking at what the 99% say. Why this is, > I'm not sure. What I am sure of is that you cannot tell whether that 1% > is telling the truth, or inventing a fraud, or have been deluded by a > fraud. But you apparently DON'T CARE. > > > -- > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables ======================== Bod Bod even if you will read a;; over your f en life you will never understand gravity because no one until now really got it !! === Y. Porat ================================
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2016-07-12 19:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <578580fc$0$55946$c3e8da3$33881b6a@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #588882 |
On 7/12/2016 9:29 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 7/11/2016 2:24 PM, john wrote: >> Odd >> The post above says that there >> was no calibration of LIGO that >> can justify the result. >> People (real physicists; you SAY that >> you are not) have looked. >> >> Still a believer? >> > > John, the information in that post is in conflict with some of the > published reports from the LIGO collaboration. > > Have you looked? > Right. Hey John. If there is a conflict between reason, truth, logical conclusions vs. "published reports" we all know that one MUST go with the published reports.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 08:33 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nm5fvk$1jm4$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #588974 |
On 7/12/2016 6:44 PM, benj wrote: > On 7/12/2016 9:29 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 7/11/2016 2:24 PM, john wrote: >>> Odd >>> The post above says that there >>> was no calibration of LIGO that >>> can justify the result. >>> People (real physicists; you SAY that >>> you are not) have looked. >>> >>> Still a believer? >>> >> >> John, the information in that post is in conflict with some of the >> published reports from the LIGO collaboration. >> >> Have you looked? >> > Right. > > Hey John. If there is a conflict between reason, truth, logical > conclusions vs. "published reports" we all know that one MUST go with > the published reports. So, just to recap: Given the complaint by someone that there is some important calibration information missing regarding LIGO, and given the existence of published reports containing the information the complainant is unaware of, then -- according to you Ben as well as John -- reason, truth, and logical conclusions tell you that the important calibration information is missing. Got it. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-14 08:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f38287a3-6323-4739-ba00-ec9c7eeecdbc@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588795 |
On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 10:06:36 PM UTC+3, john wrote: > Odd > I've been saying that Space is > NOT NOTHING > since I've been posting. > And you still don't know that? > Fuck off ============================== but your brain is nothing !!! Y.Porat =================================
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-14 08:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fc5a3d7c-147d-47f9-8856-5d7544028f06@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588795 |
On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 10:06:36 PM UTC+3, john wrote: > Odd > I've been saying that Space is > NOT NOTHING > since I've been posting. > And you still don't know that? > Fuck off ========================== space has no properties except hosting mass while it is mass that is the main '';hero ' of physics !! ============================== NO MASS THE ONLYONE MASS 'NO REALPHYSICS !! ================================ TIA Y/Porat ====================
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 23:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <06858464-ef59-4e92-bf9f-9f3205328e88@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588794 |
On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 10:04:37 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 7/11/2016 1:33 PM, john wrote: > > Michael > > How do you impose a wave on "nothing"? > > Do tell > > > > More of your bullshit, John. Nobody but you has said that space is > "nothing". > > You've asked many times what is waving, and you've been answered many > times, and you've done NOTHING with it, because all you care about is > what you believe: That space is nothing, and that waves can't wave in > nothing. And nothing anybody says to you will ever dissuade you from > what you believe. And you're PROUD of that. > > -- > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables ========================== space is nothing and Bod Bod (ANOMYMOUS PAUL DRAPER PD ) CROOCK is much less than a nothing !! a shameless crock gangster thief walking damage to some advance in Sci Y.Porat ========================================================
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-15 05:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <796f50bf-e83d-4904-a79d-df14dc3b9bd5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588794 |
On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 10:04:37 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 7/11/2016 1:33 PM, john wrote: > > Michael > > How do you impose a wave on "nothing"? > > Do tell > > > > More of your bullshit, John. Nobody but you has said that space is > "nothing". ============================= not only him said that space is nothIng I claim and prove it again and a gain and more YOU BODKIN Paul ADRPER PD ANONYMOUS SHAMELESS PIG AND THIEF HAD THER NOT BEEN COMPLETE EMPTY SAPCE LOCATIONS -- **NO MOTION WHATSOEVER COULD BE DONE !! need one be a genius in order to understand it !!!??== ================== Y.Porat ================================== > >
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-07-11 19:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nm0tdd$j89$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #588788 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Michael >How do you impose a wave on "nothing"? >Do tell Where did I say "nothing"? But even "nothing" is not ruled out. Does a bullet need air to fly through? Or anything else?
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 08:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e34d92fe-f78d-4a3e-928b-6bbaadba06ba@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588808 |
On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 10:53:04 PM UTC+3, Michael Moroney wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: > > >Michael > >How do you impose a wave on "nothing"? > >Do tell > > Where did I say "nothing"? > > But even "nothing" is not ruled out. Does a bullet need air to fly through? > Or anything else? ===================== the bullet fly in vacuum but vacuum has nothing to do with that fly !!! ======================= Y.Porat ================================
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-14 08:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2ab3d12e-4e8a-498f-87ae-3f3bee69a7ad@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588788 |
On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 9:33:09 PM UTC+3, john wrote: > Michael > How do you impose a wave on "nothing"? > Do tell =========================== gravity is not dome by 'waves ' not the common waves '' see Google 'The T Circlon mechanism ' TIA Y.Porat ============================
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| From | Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-11 11:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <taGdndNlBcbNIB7KnZ2dnUU7-V2dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #588701 |
On 11/07/2016 12:34 AM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > Open Letter to the Nobel Committee for Physics 2016: > > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304581873_Open_Letter_to_the_Nobel_Committee_for_Physics_2016 The two lasers (split off from one laser) produce a constant pressure on all of the mirrors at the same time, so no displacement is possible unless it comes from an external source. Yousuf Khan
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| From | jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-11 12:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2b8a1876-e17a-45a1-8cea-1efff5ff1154@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588763 |
Yousuf Khan wrote about LIGO Lasers ... Its an odd admission by the 'Einstein Institute'(?). Considering you would think they would not want to support any criticism of a so called verification of relativity theory. Then again I suppose they couldnt refuse a legitimate request from Danzmann. The letter is at the following site which I got from petchos post... http://principia-scientific.org/ http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fprincipia-scientific.org%2Fopen-letter-to-the-nobel-committee-for-physics-2016%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFufOzEbwJi1mdtUNWEbPkF1xa7eA And a section is copied and pasted below. My understanding us that the complaint is that there is no data on whether or not a *test* of LIGO setup has been actually conducted succesfully. Casting doubt on claims that a gravitational wave of this strength could be detected seeing as a test calibration that was claimed to have been performed has not actually been performed. Hence the use of the word " fraudulent " I suppose. "... detector output is calibrated in strain by measuring its response to test mass motion induced by photon pressure from a modulated calibration laser beam [63].” Ref. [63] is an unpublished e-print describing the calibration method by radiation pressure. Formula (10) gives the calculable connection between displacement and the radiation power of an auxiliary laser shining on the mirror. Unfortunately no data are given as to the laser power, wave form, number of oscillations in order to compare with the documented effect that was exerted on the mirrors by the wave GW150914, as displayed in the “discovery paper”. An enquiry with the Albert Einstein Institut revealed that such data do not exist. Prof. Karsten Danzmann declared that the calibration procedure is much more complicated than could be expected from the announcement in the discovery paper (http://www.kritikrelativitaetstheorie.de/Anhaenge/Anfrage%20LIGO-Experiment.pdf , document 13). In order to understand it, one would need to study lengthy technical documents such as arXiv:1007.3973v1 [gr-qc] 22 Jul 2010 which, however, does not present either a calibration curve “mirror displacement versus laser power”. In view of this statement one must conclude that an experimental proof for the claimed accuracy of the system does not exist, certainly none which is intelligible and could be accepted by the scientific public. It would be easy to move the mirrors by radiation pressure similarly as the gravitational wave did on 15-09-14 , but no data have been published since then that would document this calibration measurement. In view of Prof. Danzmann’s statement one must suspect that LIGO was not calibrated as announced in the discovery paper with the consequence that the claim having detected a gravitational wave is not (valid).."
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| From | "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-11 12:25 -0700 |
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On Sunday, July 10, 2016 at 9:34:07 PM UTC-7, mapo...@gmail.com wrote: > Open Letter to the Nobel Committee for Physics 2016: > > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304581873_Open_Letter_to_the_Nobel_Committee_for_Physics_2016 Nobel never.Getting all that these con men pocketed from $450,000,000 never.Reason White Collar crooks never go to gail.They build Swiss villars and are safe and sound.Using two hitting BHs 1.4 billion LYs awayas there proof of gravity waves hitting those mirrors has to tell the Nobel committee something. For 666,000,000 my PFM could be running,and get me a better chance for a Nobel.O Ya TreBert
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| From | mapou001@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-07-11 13:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <22d989dd-6664-4ef7-bd9f-d6eac4b923c8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588701 |
On Sunday, July 10, 2016 at 9:34:07 PM UTC-7, mapo...@gmail.com wrote: > Open Letter to the Nobel Committee for Physics 2016: > > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304581873_Open_Letter_to_the_Nobel_Committee_for_Physics_2016 More trouble in LIGO Fraudland: https://www.researchgate.net/post/Does_a_Fraudulent_Joke_stand_behind_the_Discovery_of_Gravitational_Waves
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| From | "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-12 17:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ed6bb41f-abf0-4856-b7cd-808ccfd68e01@googlegroups.com> |
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On Sunday, July 10, 2016 at 9:34:07 PM UTC-7, mapo...@gmail.com wrote: > Open Letter to the Nobel Committee for Physics 2016: > > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304581873_Open_Letter_to_the_Nobel_Committee_for_Physics_2016 If Gravity worked by waving like photons it would be known 200 years ago,and its source would be a given.Its not true today.Not true because LIGO only proven it found gravity waves to justify its $450,000,000 I'm sure Einstein would not like it.I'm sure Hawking's would not like it.Its hard to beleve Kip Thorne is part of the LIGO scam.I have to be honest and say if I got just $5,000,000 of the 450,000,000 I would keep my mouth shut and live in a Swiss villa.O Ya Trebert
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| From | "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-15 17:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ed773b58-c296-4ea5-9770-e833c47fff8c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588978 |
On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 5:01:50 PM UTC-7, reber g=emc^2 wrote: > On Sunday, July 10, 2016 at 9:34:07 PM UTC-7, mapo...@gmail.com wrote: > > Open Letter to the Nobel Committee for Physics 2016: > > > > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304581873_Open_Letter_to_the_Nobel_Committee_for_Physics_2016 > > If Gravity worked by waving like photons it would be known 200 years ago,and its source would be a given.Its not true today.Not true because LIGO only proven it found gravity waves to justify its $450,000,000 I'm sure Einstein would not like it.I'm sure Hawking's would not like it.Its hard to beleve Kip Thorne is part of the LIGO scam.I have to be honest and say if I got just $5,000,000 of the 450,000,000 I would keep my mouth shut and live in a Swiss villa.O Ya Trebert Puplic is in the dark over LIGO,and the con men like that. Obama should have LIGO books opened.Hillory could lose if Trump was smart. It has to be a very thick book to account for $450,000,000.There is no book,for it was all GOPer fraud and corruption.Obama makes trouble he gets shot in back of his head. Like JFK TreBert
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