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Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-10 21:34 -0700
Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 01:09 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:53 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 06:08 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 09:00 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:17 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 10:40 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 09:23 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:04 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 10:24 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:28 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 11:23 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 13:59 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:33 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:28 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 18:29 +0000
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 11:33 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 14:04 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:06 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 14:13 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:24 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 08:29 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 07:06 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 09:06 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 07:42 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 09:46 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 09:52 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:02 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 10:16 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 11:49 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 14:38 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 13:11 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 16:31 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-13 14:40 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 17:02 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-13 15:22 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 19:51 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-13 17:56 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 20:01 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-13 18:17 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:55 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:34 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-14 14:17 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 16:46 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-14 14:57 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy xxein1@att.net - 2016-07-14 15:05 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 05:12 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:35 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 15:27 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 19:53 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-14 01:51 +0000
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 18:58 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-14 02:20 +0000
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 19:31 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-14 02:43 +0000
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 22:06 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-14 13:24 +0000
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 09:16 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 07:26 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 09:44 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 09:14 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 09:12 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 23:06 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:31 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-07-12 19:44 -0400
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:33 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:23 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:26 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 23:01 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 05:03 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 19:52 +0000
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:41 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:22 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-07-11 11:37 -0400
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:09 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:25 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-11 13:37 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 17:01 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 17:34 -0700
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-14 08:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nm85k0$1bmo$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #589156 |
On 7/13/2016 8:17 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 6:01:50 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 7/13/2016 7:56 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 5:51:13 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> On 7/13/2016 5:22 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 3:02:49 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>> [crap deleted] >>>>>> Why do you think existence is tied to particular location in time in space? >>>>> >>>>> This is precisely my point. If everything that exists must exist at a particular point >>>>> in time and space, ' >>>> >>>> The suppositive clause is false. It is simply not true, nor is it >>>> believed by scientists that everything MUST exist at a particular point >>>> in time and space. Moreover, this has been true since decades prior to >>>> Einstein's birth. >>>> >>>> So not only do you have to catch up a little with 19th century physics, >>>> but you should review history a little. >>>> >>>>> where is space? And where is time? If they exist, at what point >>>>> in time and space to they exist? >>>>> >>>>> Infinite self-referential regress is a festering sore, a direct symptom of the >>>>> Einsteinian cancer that has invaded the field of physics. It's criminal. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>> >>> Total BS. GR not only claims that bodies exist in spacetime, they can curve it as well. >> >> You have obviously not recalled 19th century physics, including fields, >> which do not exist at a particular place or time. Nor has 19th century >> physics limited its domain and its explanations to particles, their >> properties, and their interactions. See for example, the energy stored >> in a field, a measurement AND calculation done decades before Einstein >> was born. >> >>> Of course, nobody bothered to tell those crackpots and con artists that spacetime is a >>> block universe in which nothing happens. >> >> You are MISTAKEN about it being a block universe, and it would be lovely >> if you might just CONSIDER the possibility that you have mislearned >> something. Or is that possibility of fallibility something that just >> does not apply to you? >> >>> Not everybody is fooled. Big Brother crappy >>> physics is alive and well but not for long. >>> >> >> >> -- >> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > You are either a deluded fool or a con artist. I have come to realize that Einsteinian physics > is a way for the oppressed Jews of Europe to raise a hero for themselves. It's a defense mechanism. > They should do like Moses and place more faith in their God Yahweh instead. Einstein will not save > them. They spend so much energy defending a powerless ghost. What a waste. > Well, thanks at least for outing yourself as an anti-Semite. I think I was spending energy advising you of the work of people like James Maxwell and Michael Faraday, who were Scot and English, respectively. Both made tremendous strides understanding fields, which do not have a particular location in space and time. It may also interest you that Einstein generally did not believe or work on the modern understanding of quantum fields, which states that EVERYTHING in nature is made of fields and their interaction, completely overturning your rather antiquated view that the world consists of particles, their properties, and their interactions. People who have pushed that idea forward have included John Bardeen, Abdus Salam, JD Bjorken, Werner Heisenberg, Erwin Schrodinger, John Wheeler, Sid Drell, Niels Bohr, none of whom are Jews. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-14 08:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3646a15f-dfd2-497f-9606-b0fe1d340df8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589209 |
On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 4:55:19 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 7/13/2016 8:17 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > > On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 6:01:50 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> On 7/13/2016 7:56 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > >>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 5:51:13 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>> On 7/13/2016 5:22 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 3:02:49 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>> [crap deleted] > >>>>>> Why do you think existence is tied to particular location in time in space? > >>>>> > >>>>> This is precisely my point. If everything that exists must exist at a particular point > >>>>> in time and space, ' > >>>> > >>>> The suppositive clause is false. It is simply not true, nor is it > >>>> believed by scientists that everything MUST exist at a particular point > >>>> in time and space. Moreover, this has been true since decades prior to > >>>> Einstein's birth. > >>>> > >>>> So not only do you have to catch up a little with 19th century physics, > >>>> but you should review history a little. > >>>> > >>>>> where is space? And where is time? If they exist, at what point > >>>>> in time and space to they exist? > >>>>> > >>>>> Infinite self-referential regress is a festering sore, a direct symptom of the > >>>>> Einsteinian cancer that has invaded the field of physics. It's criminal. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > >>> > >>> Total BS. GR not only claims that bodies exist in spacetime, they can curve it as well. > >> > >> You have obviously not recalled 19th century physics, including fields, > >> which do not exist at a particular place or time. Nor has 19th century > >> physics limited its domain and its explanations to particles, their > >> properties, and their interactions. See for example, the energy stored > >> in a field, a measurement AND calculation done decades before Einstein > >> was born. > >> > >>> Of course, nobody bothered to tell those crackpots and con artists that spacetime is a > >>> block universe in which nothing happens. > >> > >> You are MISTAKEN about it being a block universe, and it would be lovely > >> if you might just CONSIDER the possibility that you have mislearned > >> something. Or is that possibility of fallibility something that just > >> does not apply to you? > >> > >>> Not everybody is fooled. Big Brother crappy > >>> physics is alive and well but not for long. > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > > > You are either a deluded fool or a con artist. I have come to realize that Einsteinian physics > > is a way for the oppressed Jews of Europe to raise a hero for themselves. It's a defense mechanism. > > They should do like Moses and place more faith in their God Yahweh instead. Einstein will not save > > them. They spend so much energy defending a powerless ghost. What a waste. > > > > Well, thanks at least for outing yourself as an anti-Semite. > > I think I was spending energy advising you of the work of people like > James Maxwell and Michael Faraday, who were Scot and English, > respectively. Both made tremendous strides understanding fields, which > do not have a particular location in space and time. > > It may also interest you that Einstein generally did not believe or work > on the modern understanding of quantum fields, which states that > EVERYTHING in nature is made of fields and their interaction, completely > overturning your rather antiquated view that the world consists of > particles, their properties, and their interactions. People who have > pushed that idea forward have included John Bardeen, Abdus Salam, JD > Bjorken, Werner Heisenberg, Erwin Schrodinger, John Wheeler, Sid Drell, > Niels Bohr, none of whom are Jews. > > > -- > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables ==================== Fields are made of matter NASS !!! ============================----------- NO MASS - TYHE ONLYONEMASS - NO REA; PHSICS =============================================== Y.Porat ==============================
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| From | mapou001@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-07-14 14:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <444956d4-a786-4955-a170-7603c6e17e79@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589209 |
On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 6:55:19 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 7/13/2016 8:17 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > > On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 6:01:50 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> On 7/13/2016 7:56 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > >>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 5:51:13 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>> On 7/13/2016 5:22 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 3:02:49 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>> [crap deleted] > >>>>>> Why do you think existence is tied to particular location in time in space? > >>>>> > >>>>> This is precisely my point. If everything that exists must exist at a particular point > >>>>> in time and space, ' > >>>> > >>>> The suppositive clause is false. It is simply not true, nor is it > >>>> believed by scientists that everything MUST exist at a particular point > >>>> in time and space. Moreover, this has been true since decades prior to > >>>> Einstein's birth. > >>>> > >>>> So not only do you have to catch up a little with 19th century physics, > >>>> but you should review history a little. > >>>> > >>>>> where is space? And where is time? If they exist, at what point > >>>>> in time and space to they exist? > >>>>> > >>>>> Infinite self-referential regress is a festering sore, a direct symptom of the > >>>>> Einsteinian cancer that has invaded the field of physics. It's criminal. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > >>> > >>> Total BS. GR not only claims that bodies exist in spacetime, they can curve it as well. > >> > >> You have obviously not recalled 19th century physics, including fields, > >> which do not exist at a particular place or time. Nor has 19th century > >> physics limited its domain and its explanations to particles, their > >> properties, and their interactions. See for example, the energy stored > >> in a field, a measurement AND calculation done decades before Einstein > >> was born. > >> > >>> Of course, nobody bothered to tell those crackpots and con artists that spacetime is a > >>> block universe in which nothing happens. > >> > >> You are MISTAKEN about it being a block universe, and it would be lovely > >> if you might just CONSIDER the possibility that you have mislearned > >> something. Or is that possibility of fallibility something that just > >> does not apply to you? > >> > >>> Not everybody is fooled. Big Brother crappy > >>> physics is alive and well but not for long. > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > > > You are either a deluded fool or a con artist. I have come to realize that Einsteinian physics > > is a way for the oppressed Jews of Europe to raise a hero for themselves. It's a defense mechanism. > > They should do like Moses and place more faith in their God Yahweh instead. Einstein will not save > > them. They spend so much energy defending a powerless ghost. What a waste. > > > > Well, thanks at least for outing yourself as an anti-Semite. > > I think I was spending energy advising you of the work of people like > James Maxwell and Michael Faraday, who were Scot and English, > respectively. Both made tremendous strides understanding fields, which > do not have a particular location in space and time. > > It may also interest you that Einstein generally did not believe or work > on the modern understanding of quantum fields, which states that > EVERYTHING in nature is made of fields and their interaction, completely > overturning your rather antiquated view that the world consists of > particles, their properties, and their interactions. People who have > pushed that idea forward have included John Bardeen, Abdus Salam, JD > Bjorken, Werner Heisenberg, Erwin Schrodinger, John Wheeler, Sid Drell, > Niels Bohr, none of whom are Jews. > > > -- > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables First off, I am not anti-semite. I love Jews and everyone else. I just think that using Einstein for political reasons is a mistake. Put your faith in your God. He helped you in the past. He was angry with you people for a while because of your lack of faith. But now his anger has passed and he's back helping you again. This is why Israel is an oasis of stability while all of her enemies are in violent turmoil. Yahweh has made Jerusalem a heavy stone and all the nations of the world who try to lift it will get a hernia. It's in your scriptures. Second, where are fields (whatever they are) if not in space? In both classical and quantum physics space is the underlying substrate in which everything exists. This leads to an infinite regress. This is why space does not exist.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-14 16:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nm917j$quf$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #589302 |
On 7/14/2016 4:17 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 6:55:19 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 7/13/2016 8:17 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 6:01:50 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> On 7/13/2016 7:56 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 5:51:13 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>> On 7/13/2016 5:22 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 3:02:49 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>> [crap deleted] >>>>>>>> Why do you think existence is tied to particular location in time in space? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is precisely my point. If everything that exists must exist at a particular point >>>>>>> in time and space, ' >>>>>> >>>>>> The suppositive clause is false. It is simply not true, nor is it >>>>>> believed by scientists that everything MUST exist at a particular point >>>>>> in time and space. Moreover, this has been true since decades prior to >>>>>> Einstein's birth. >>>>>> >>>>>> So not only do you have to catch up a little with 19th century physics, >>>>>> but you should review history a little. >>>>>> >>>>>>> where is space? And where is time? If they exist, at what point >>>>>>> in time and space to they exist? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Infinite self-referential regress is a festering sore, a direct symptom of the >>>>>>> Einsteinian cancer that has invaded the field of physics. It's criminal. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>> >>>>> Total BS. GR not only claims that bodies exist in spacetime, they can curve it as well. >>>> >>>> You have obviously not recalled 19th century physics, including fields, >>>> which do not exist at a particular place or time. Nor has 19th century >>>> physics limited its domain and its explanations to particles, their >>>> properties, and their interactions. See for example, the energy stored >>>> in a field, a measurement AND calculation done decades before Einstein >>>> was born. >>>> >>>>> Of course, nobody bothered to tell those crackpots and con artists that spacetime is a >>>>> block universe in which nothing happens. >>>> >>>> You are MISTAKEN about it being a block universe, and it would be lovely >>>> if you might just CONSIDER the possibility that you have mislearned >>>> something. Or is that possibility of fallibility something that just >>>> does not apply to you? >>>> >>>>> Not everybody is fooled. Big Brother crappy >>>>> physics is alive and well but not for long. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>> >>> You are either a deluded fool or a con artist. I have come to realize that Einsteinian physics >>> is a way for the oppressed Jews of Europe to raise a hero for themselves. It's a defense mechanism. >>> They should do like Moses and place more faith in their God Yahweh instead. Einstein will not save >>> them. They spend so much energy defending a powerless ghost. What a waste. >>> >> >> Well, thanks at least for outing yourself as an anti-Semite. >> >> I think I was spending energy advising you of the work of people like >> James Maxwell and Michael Faraday, who were Scot and English, >> respectively. Both made tremendous strides understanding fields, which >> do not have a particular location in space and time. >> >> It may also interest you that Einstein generally did not believe or work >> on the modern understanding of quantum fields, which states that >> EVERYTHING in nature is made of fields and their interaction, completely >> overturning your rather antiquated view that the world consists of >> particles, their properties, and their interactions. People who have >> pushed that idea forward have included John Bardeen, Abdus Salam, JD >> Bjorken, Werner Heisenberg, Erwin Schrodinger, John Wheeler, Sid Drell, >> Niels Bohr, none of whom are Jews. >> >> >> -- >> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > First off, I am not anti-semite. I love Jews and everyone else. I just think > that using Einstein for political reasons is a mistake. Put your faith in your God. > He helped you in the past. He was angry with you people for a while because of your > lack of faith. But now his anger has passed and he's back helping you again. This > is why Israel is an oasis of stability while all of her enemies are in violent > turmoil. Yahweh has made Jerusalem a heavy stone and all the nations of the world > who try to lift it will get a hernia. It's in your scriptures. You have misjudged. I am not a Jew. Secondly, Einstein wasn't much "used for political reasons" as far as I can tell. Third, I notice that you seemed to gloss over all the other physicists who have been MORE INSTRUMENTAL THAN EINSTEIN in promoting the modern physics. So why your incessant and misplaced focus on Einstein? > > Second, where are fields (whatever they are) if not in space? You'll note that being "in space" is a little different than saying "at a particular location in space". > In both classical and > quantum physics space is the underlying substrate in which everything exists. Oddly enough, this comment about space being the "underlying substrate" is not completely true! You might actually enjoy learning what fields are and the role that space is thought to play in modern physics. Do you need a reading recommendation. > This > leads to an infinite regress. This is why space does not exist. > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | mapou001@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-07-14 14:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c0edbc23-64b1-46c4-b999-3a34fbe05dd0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589307 |
On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 2:46:33 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 7/14/2016 4:17 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > > On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 6:55:19 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> On 7/13/2016 8:17 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > >>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 6:01:50 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>> On 7/13/2016 7:56 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 5:51:13 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>> On 7/13/2016 5:22 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 3:02:49 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>>> [crap deleted] > >>>>>>>> Why do you think existence is tied to particular location in time in space? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> This is precisely my point. If everything that exists must exist at a particular point > >>>>>>> in time and space, ' > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The suppositive clause is false. It is simply not true, nor is it > >>>>>> believed by scientists that everything MUST exist at a particular point > >>>>>> in time and space. Moreover, this has been true since decades prior to > >>>>>> Einstein's birth. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So not only do you have to catch up a little with 19th century physics, > >>>>>> but you should review history a little. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> where is space? And where is time? If they exist, at what point > >>>>>>> in time and space to they exist? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Infinite self-referential regress is a festering sore, a direct symptom of the > >>>>>>> Einsteinian cancer that has invaded the field of physics. It's criminal. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > >>>>> > >>>>> Total BS. GR not only claims that bodies exist in spacetime, they can curve it as well. > >>>> > >>>> You have obviously not recalled 19th century physics, including fields, > >>>> which do not exist at a particular place or time. Nor has 19th century > >>>> physics limited its domain and its explanations to particles, their > >>>> properties, and their interactions. See for example, the energy stored > >>>> in a field, a measurement AND calculation done decades before Einstein > >>>> was born. > >>>> > >>>>> Of course, nobody bothered to tell those crackpots and con artists that spacetime is a > >>>>> block universe in which nothing happens. > >>>> > >>>> You are MISTAKEN about it being a block universe, and it would be lovely > >>>> if you might just CONSIDER the possibility that you have mislearned > >>>> something. Or is that possibility of fallibility something that just > >>>> does not apply to you? > >>>> > >>>>> Not everybody is fooled. Big Brother crappy > >>>>> physics is alive and well but not for long. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > >>> > >>> You are either a deluded fool or a con artist. I have come to realize that Einsteinian physics > >>> is a way for the oppressed Jews of Europe to raise a hero for themselves. It's a defense mechanism. > >>> They should do like Moses and place more faith in their God Yahweh instead. Einstein will not save > >>> them. They spend so much energy defending a powerless ghost. What a waste. > >>> > >> > >> Well, thanks at least for outing yourself as an anti-Semite. > >> > >> I think I was spending energy advising you of the work of people like > >> James Maxwell and Michael Faraday, who were Scot and English, > >> respectively. Both made tremendous strides understanding fields, which > >> do not have a particular location in space and time. > >> > >> It may also interest you that Einstein generally did not believe or work > >> on the modern understanding of quantum fields, which states that > >> EVERYTHING in nature is made of fields and their interaction, completely > >> overturning your rather antiquated view that the world consists of > >> particles, their properties, and their interactions. People who have > >> pushed that idea forward have included John Bardeen, Abdus Salam, JD > >> Bjorken, Werner Heisenberg, Erwin Schrodinger, John Wheeler, Sid Drell, > >> Niels Bohr, none of whom are Jews. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > > > First off, I am not anti-semite. I love Jews and everyone else. I just think > > that using Einstein for political reasons is a mistake. Put your faith in your God. > > He helped you in the past. He was angry with you people for a while because of your > > lack of faith. But now his anger has passed and he's back helping you again. This > > is why Israel is an oasis of stability while all of her enemies are in violent > > turmoil. Yahweh has made Jerusalem a heavy stone and all the nations of the world > > who try to lift it will get a hernia. It's in your scriptures. > > You have misjudged. I am not a Jew. > > Secondly, Einstein wasn't much "used for political reasons" as far as I > can tell. > > Third, I notice that you seemed to gloss over all the other physicists > who have been MORE INSTRUMENTAL THAN EINSTEIN in promoting the modern > physics. So why your incessant and misplaced focus on Einstein? > > > > > Second, where are fields (whatever they are) if not in space? > > You'll note that being "in space" is a little different than saying "at > a particular location in space". > > > In both classical and > > quantum physics space is the underlying substrate in which everything exists. > > Oddly enough, this comment about space being the "underlying substrate" > is not completely true! > > You might actually enjoy learning what fields are and the role that > space is thought to play in modern physics. Do you need a reading > recommendation. > > > This > > leads to an infinite regress. This is why space does not exist. > > > > > -- > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables You might actually enjoy kissing my ass, then. Adios.
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| From | xxein1@att.net |
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| Date | 2016-07-14 15:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <213da019-fa24-4f37-8dfc-018233a590da@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589312 |
On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 5:57:47 PM UTC-4, mapo...@gmail.com wrote: xxein: Bye.
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-15 05:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d8429c7c-b686-4ef6-846e-8315efa48b1e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589302 |
On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 12:17:20 > > Niels Bohr, none of whom are Jews. > > > > > > -- > > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > First off, I am not anti-semite. I love Jews and everyone else. I just think that using Einstein for political reasons is a mistake. ============================ indeed you don't hate Jews I Y.P am a Jew now to be honest SR is right !!! I can explain but lets leave it for now on the other hand GR IS A FANTASTIC HARMFULL ** UNBELIEVABLE BULL SHIT * HARM FUL BECAUSE IT BLCKED ADVACE OF PHYSICS FOR MORE THAN A 100YEARS !!! ATB Y.Porat ================================
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-14 08:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e2417008-0689-466c-841f-e811d1a849ee@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589152 |
On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 3:56:06 AM UTC+3, mapo...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 5:51:13 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > On 7/13/2016 5:22 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 3:02:49 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > >> [crap deleted] > > >> Why do you think existence is tied to particular location in time in space? > > > > > > This is precisely my point. If everything that exists must exist at a particular point > > > in time and space, ' > > > > The suppositive clause is false. It is simply not true, nor is it > > believed by scientists that everything MUST exist at a particular point > > in time and space. Moreover, this has been true since decades prior to > > Einstein's birth. > > > > So not only do you have to catch up a little with 19th century physics, > > but you should review history a little. > > > > > where is space? And where is time? If they exist, at what point > > > in time and space to they exist? > > > > > > Infinite self-referential regress is a festering sore, a direct symptom of the > > > Einsteinian cancer that has invaded the field of physics. It's criminal. > > > > > > > > > -- > > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > Total BS. GR not only claims that bodies exist in spacetime, they can curve it as well. Of course, nobody bothered to tell those crackpots and con artists that spacetime is a block universe in which nothing happens. Not everybody is fooled. Big Brother crappy physics is alive and well but not for long. ======================= space can curve your R en mother Y.Porat ===========================
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 15:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <dc1b7ec7-7b8c-4f5c-8c5b-337cf8ceee68@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589121 |
Odd If you can't explain it simply, it's fudge
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 19:53 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nm6nqs$1g8v$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #589127 |
On 7/13/2016 5:27 PM, john wrote: > Odd > If you can't explain it simply, it's fudge > Hate to break reality to you, John. There's a reason why books are used to teach and learn, and there's a reason expertise in any field (including mine!) involves a lot more than a simple explanation. Tough shit. Stop being a baby about it. Your terror of books does not mean that books are an evil in the world that should be dispensable. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-07-14 01:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nm6r71$5b8$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #589127 |
On 7/13/2016 5:27 PM, john wrote: > Odd > If you can't explain it simply, it's fudge Not everything in science or math is simple. That's just the way the world is. Nonlinear differential equations. Or a closed solution to the three body problem (oh that's right, you believe in kook gravity so never mind that one) Or take the quadratic equation, for Ax^2+Bx+C=0, solve for x. That has a relatively simple solution. But what about Ax^3+Bx^2+Cx+D=0, solve for x. Not so simple for a relatively simple problem. Maybe solve Ax^4+Bx^3+Cx^2+Dx+E=0?
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 18:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <79d4b1b3-7365-408b-bce8-01b3a6e512f0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589160 |
Michael said, and I quote: "Not everything in science or math is simple." Yes. But, if there is a simpler answer found, was that not a good thing? Will you still believe in DM if it is shown that gravity is not matter "sucking", but matter absorbing?
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-07-14 02:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nm6sto$5du$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #589162 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Michael said, and I quote: >"Not everything in science or math is simple." >Yes. But, if there is a simpler answer >found, was that not a good thing? Simpler but wrong is not a good thing. Invisible pink fairies pushing the planets around is a very simple theory of gravity. It's not a good theory, however.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 19:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <431e7dc9-81a3-4373-8f0e-e4ed90e51e8f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589164 |
Michael said "Simpler but wrong is not a good thing. Invisible pink fairies pushing the planets around is a very simple theory of gravity. It's not a good theory, however. " "Finding a simpler answer" presumes it to be "more right" or at least "as right" as the other. In math, at least. Invisible DM, "somehow" positioned (how?) to accentuate the acceleration of the matter coming around without decelerating the matter going around is a good example of fudge that doesn't even make sense. And the matter doesn't attract IT? What? Is the DM stapled to its position in Space? And what would that position be, and why? You believe in DM? Wow!
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-07-14 02:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nm6u97$8j2$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #589167 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: < >Michael said >"Simpler but wrong is not a good thing. Invisible pink fairies pushing the >planets around is a very simple theory of gravity. It's not a good >theory, however. " >"Finding a simpler answer" presumes it to >be "more right" or at least "as right" >as the other. In math, at least. So, now you are saying the invisible pink fairy gravity theory is the best one? Because it is so simple? >You believe in DM? >Wow! You really are having a tough time trying to find a 5 year old to explain it to you, aren't you.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 22:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4061c1dd-cabd-4b58-8ff2-abd9d4fc95a0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589172 |
Michael You go ahead and believe in invisible matter that attracts but doesn't get attracted. Fine with me
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-07-14 13:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nm83pn$rhq$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #589185 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Michael >You go ahead and believe in >invisible matter that attracts but >doesn't get attracted. >Fine with me Who said it doesn't get attracted? We just know it has mass but does not interact electromagnetically (invisible as you put it). Funny you have a problem with "invisible". Ever hear of air?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-14 09:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nm86so$1d4s$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #589185 |
On 7/14/2016 12:06 AM, john wrote: > Michael > You go ahead and believe in > invisible matter that attracts but > doesn't get attracted. Where did you ever get the idea that dark matter is not attracted? > Fine with me > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-14 07:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <acce8020-45f8-449a-99c2-92896b16af5f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589214 |
Odd "Where did you ever get the idea that dark matter is not attracted? " If it WERE attracted, then how would it speed up the star rotation? It would glom to the stars, and slow them down. Computer models haven't been able to reproduce this silly idea- how is it still out there?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-14 09:44 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nm88g0$1fro$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #589218 |
On 7/14/2016 9:26 AM, john wrote: > Odd > > "Where did you ever get the idea that dark matter is not attracted? " > If it WERE attracted, then how > would it speed up the star rotation? It > would glom to the stars, and slow them down. No, John. Increased matter in the region of the galaxy INCREASES speed of rotation, not slow it down. I don't know why you think it should slow it down. > > Computer models haven't been able > to reproduce this silly idea- how is it > still out there? > > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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